having annoying issues with my TypeR upgrade

[ZackieDarko]

i am trying to put my 01 TypeR calipers on my (what im told are) 88-89 front knuckles and i am very confused


keep in mind UPS fucked up and lost a caliper and maybe some other pieces i didnt know about?


ok i set the knukles in place but didnt tighten anything down (they are just siting in place) i hold the caliper to the spindle and it doesnt look like it will fit

i hold the caliper with its mounting holes to these (you know where the stock caliper mounts up)

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a96/ZackieDarko/holes.jpg

if i do that the space between the pads where the rotor rotates is behind the hub

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a96/ZackieDarko/spindle.jpg

am i missing some kind of bracket here?

if the rotor were on the hub i would not be able to bolt the caliper to the knuckle ..i would have to hold it several inches away from the spindle for it to fit...which means it wont bolt up

so i guess i have 3 questions

1. am i missing some piece of hardware from the spindle
2. do i actually have 88-89 LX-i/SE-i hubs
3. was i fucked over by NAPA AGAIN and given the WRONG calipers?

[2oodoor]

where are your caliper mounting hanger brackets? look up majestic honda part catalog, seems like something is missing, also you may have to use another rotor

edit, you are missing the mounting piece for the caliper in the picture

[ZackieDarko]

edit, you are missing the mounting piece for the caliper in the picture



?

can you post a picture or a link to a diagram?

[2oodoor]

http://www.hondaautomotiveparts.com/auto/jsp/mws/prddisplay.jsp?inputstate=5&catcgry1=Accord&catcgry2=1988&catcgry3=2DR+LXI&catcgry4=KL5MT&catcgry5=FRONT+BRAKE+CALIPER+%28LXI%2C+SEI%29

here is link,cant send pic for some reason

looks like the wrong knuckle, majestic is not showing any thing for sei in brakes though

[ghettogeddy]

sounds l and loks like to me that u got wrong calipers but i cant say that cuse theres no pics of them lol post some pics of the calipers and the distance issue your having with the hub

[2oodoor]

http://www.3geez.com/forum/showthread.php?t=54232 , not too good of pictures of what is behind the rotor but looks like the rotor was changed. More specific information and pics Zacky, and I will try and help

[ZackieDarko]

i got the calipers from NAPA

made by RAYLOC part #'s 64120 and 64119

i am going to be so unbliveably beyond pissed off if either the calipers or the knuckles are the wrong parts

[Legend_master]

There is no bracket required at all. Either you have an 86-87 knuckle or the wrong calipers. Bolt the caliper to the bracket and take a pictures.

[ZackieDarko]

There is no bracket required at all. Either you have an 86-87 knuckle or the wrong calipers. Bolt the caliper to the bracket and take a pictures.

will do

[Oldblueaccord]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v667/Legend_Master/87eb2da0.jpg

I think from the image you need the complete Type R caliper/bracket combo but ill let Legend commet on that.


When he says "you dont need a bracket" he means "you dont need a custom made bracket" is they way I read it.


w p

[Legend_master]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v667/Legend_Master/87eb2da0.jpg

I think from the image you need the complete Type R caliper/bracket combo but ill let Legend commet on that.


When he says "you dont need a bracket" he means "you dont need a custom made bracket" is they way I read it.


w p

Exactly

[Oldblueaccord]

I was gonna say something before but I wanted someone else to try it frist. Might want to add to your parts list Type R caliper bracket. its not always included with a new caliper unless you get "Fully loaded" or "complete" set up.

I have the part numbers somewhere Ill post them up when I find it.

wp

[ZackieDarko]

well the caliers are "loaded"

maybe im doing something wrong im gonna try and get some pictures snaped in the next few days

[LX-incredible]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v667/Legend_Master/87eb2da0.jpg The caliper should bolt to two slide pins, that locate inside the caliper bracket, the bracket is what actually bolts to the knuckle. It sounds like you are trying to bolt the caliper on, without the bracket. he bracket is the narrow piece, closest to the rotor.

[ZackieDarko]

these are the calipers, what you see is what came in the box

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a96/ZackieDarko/car%20stuff/brakes/102_2692.jpg

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a96/ZackieDarko/car%20stuff/brakes/102_2691.jpg


http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a96/ZackieDarko/car%20stuff/brakes/102_2690.jpg

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a96/ZackieDarko/car%20stuff/brakes/102_2686.jpg

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a96/ZackieDarko/car%20stuff/brakes/102_2685.jpg


http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a96/ZackieDarko/car%20stuff/brakes/102_2683.jpg

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a96/ZackieDarko/car%20stuff/brakes/102_2684.jpg

the two mounting holes on the caliper match up with the spindle but it sits way back behind the hub

[LX-incredible]

Yeah, they have the brackets. You are bolting the bracket to the outer side of the spindle, correct? Do you have the legend rotors yet? They may have more of an offset than the accord rotors... Can anyone verify this?

[Oldblueaccord]

Yeah, they have the brackets. You are bolting the bracket to the outer side of the spindle, correct? Do you have the legend rotors yet? They may have more of an offset than the accord rotors... Can anyone verify this?


Yeah the accord rotor wont work with the Type r caliper and bracket. I can't remember which way the off set is I think the Accord is (thicker).


Hole to hole the caliper's bolts should be 5.500" from memory.

wp

[Oldblueaccord]

i got the calipers from NAPA

made by RAYLOC part #'s 64120 and 64119

i am going to be so unbliveably beyond pissed off if either the calipers or the knuckles are the wrong parts


None of those numbers jive with Napa or the internet....:redx:


http://www.napaonline.com/masterpages/NOLMaster.aspx?PageId=430&CatId=3&SubCatId=13

Thats what I found.


wp

[Legend_master]

Yeah, they have the brackets. You are bolting the bracket to the outer side of the spindle, correct? Do you have the legend rotors yet? They may have more of an offset than the accord rotors... Can anyone verify this?

It looks like you have the right caliper, maybe LX-incredible is right and you are trying to bolt it to the wrong side of the hub. It should look like this.

This is the back of the hub with the caliper installed.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v667/Legend_Master/Hosting%20pictures/DSCF0063.jpg

[ZackieDarko]

It looks like you have the right caliper, maybe LX-incredible is right and you are trying to bolt it to the wrong side of the hub. It should look like this.

This is the back of the hub with the caliper installed.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v667/Legend_Master/Hosting%20pictures/DSCF0063.jpg



thats what i was doing...hmm...maybe im just being DUMB but how far back does the disc part of the rotor sit behind the hub once it is on? can you get a picture of that without a caliper attached?

[ZackieDarko]

None of those numbers jive with Napa or the internet....:redx:


http://www.napaonline.com/masterpages/NOLMaster.aspx?PageId=430&CatId=3&SubCatId=13

Thats what I found.


wp


i looked all over the internet on multiple search engines for about 2 hours for part #'s and i didnt come up with shit :(

[2oodoor]

Just a few things to help:
the bolts come in from the rear, that bolt the hangar to the spindle
The caliper must come off the hangar to get the rotor on
Handle the hangar very carefully, any even slightest distortion where it was dropped or hammered, or bolted on unevenly , Will cause brake squeal that will not go away short of replacing the caliper bracket (hangar)

[Legend_master]

thats what i was doing...hmm...maybe im just being DUMB but how far back does the disc part of the rotor sit behind the hub once it is on? can you get a picture of that without a caliper attached?

I dont understand the question?

[ZackieDarko]

sorry for the bad pictures :( i had to use my 1.3mp cell phone camera and i had very bad lighting


this is what the caliper looks like on the spindle with no rotor...is this what it SHOULD look like?

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a96/ZackieDarko/Sep12_0005.jpg

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a96/ZackieDarko/Sep12_0004.jpg

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a96/ZackieDarko/Sep12_0006.jpg

remember everyhting is barely finger tight so it may look slightly crooked in the bottom picture

the area between the brake pads is behind the hub its self ..is that right? or do i have some wrong parts here

[Legend_master]

Something is definitly wrong here. Looks like the caliper is the issue.

[Oldblueaccord]

Rotor? Have you gotten the rotor as well. It looks off but the rotor will tell it all.


wp

[2oodoor]

yep that set up would never appear right because the caliper should never be there without a rotor . heh heh.. but really somebody would never ever see it like that. It doesnt look entirely out of range for a rotor to be in that space though. Make sure you are not mixing up left to right parts in all this test fitting.:)

[ZackieDarko]

:thumbdn::rant::crying::sad2:

if that is really the case i shall be very very very upset and i will probablly get the cops called on me when i go back to nappa to get what i need


Something is definitly wrong here. Looks like the caliper is the issue.

[ZackieDarko]

got my rotors today


HOLY SHIT they are HUGE

[Legend_master]

got my rotors today


HOLY SHIT they are HUGE

did the fit with the calipers?

[Bglad420]

sorry for the bad pictures :( i had to use my 1.3mp cell phone camera and i had very bad lighting


this is what the caliper looks like on the spindle with no rotor...is this what it SHOULD look like?

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a96/ZackieDarko/Sep12_0005.jpg

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a96/ZackieDarko/Sep12_0004.jpg

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a96/ZackieDarko/Sep12_0006.jpg

remember everyhting is barely finger tight so it may look slightly crooked in the bottom picture

the area between the brake pads is behind the hub its self ..is that right? or do i have some wrong parts here

It looks like your missing the caliper bracket to me, but I could be wrong.

[ZackieDarko]

i have not had a chance to try and put the rotors on yet

i shall be working on it tomorrow + starting the rear disc conversion

as for not having a caliper bracket

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a96/ZackieDarko/car%20stuff/brakes/102_2684.jpg

isnt that big piece of metal where the holes are the bracket?

[2oodoor]

looks like you are getting some progress.
I was thinking... I am not used to seeing BOTH sides of the caliper mounting bracket so well machined. It is like they are mating it to something on both sides. But then I have never touched a Type R, just about dozens of other cars though.

[russiankid]

To me it looks likes it will work fine. The rotor does curve in, so you should put the rotor on and then the caliper and see what the clearance is.

[ZackieDarko]

okay false alarm :Owned:


it all fits perfectly

and looks AMAZING...sooo nice :) i am going to do the rear discs this week and i'll snap some pics (i also got my tokicos and sprint springs on...looks sick :rockon::cheers::thumbup: )

[MessyHonda]

okay false alarm :Owned:


it all fits perfectly

and looks AMAZING...sooo nice :) i am going to do the rear discs this week and i'll snap some pics (i also got my tokicos and sprint springs on...looks sick :rockon::cheers::thumbup: )



take good quality pics this time zack.

[2oodoor]

okay false alarm :Owned:


it all fits perfectly

and looks AMAZING...sooo nice :) i am going to do the rear discs this week and i'll snap some pics (i also got my tokicos and sprint springs on...looks sick :rockon::cheers::thumbup: )

Good, I would have hated hearing you got locked up for going postal at the parts house:cheers:

[thegreatdane]

why all the fuzz lol

[Oldblueaccord]

Your gonna love it. No warped rotors for me and its been more than a year now. Its a great upgrade.


wp

[ZackieDarko]

Your gonna love it. No warped rotors for me and its been more than a year now. Its a great upgrade.


wp

what pads do you have?

i got the "premium" calipers so maybe they came with good pads? my pads are black

[Oldblueaccord]

Axis Ultimates

http://www.importrp.com/product.php?productid=55049&cat=0&page=1

ended up being a great pad. Strong stopping and there needing changing.

I like the EBC green but they loose there stopping ablility at about 50% wear.

wp

[Oldblueaccord]

:devil:http://fastbrakes.com/shop/product_info.php?cPath=28_222&products_id=898


himm 1500$ and it fits under a 15" wheel now that is a brake package! :devil:




wp

[MessyHonda]

i just need pads that dont leave dust...i hate my dx pads...i wash the rims one day the next day they are all black. on my lx-i the AEM pads have light dust and i dont have to clean them....just a light wipe with a towel and bam they shine like new.

[ZackieDarko]

car will be done TODAY! i am so freaking excited...i haven't driven my 3g in 3 WEEKS! this is the longest I have ever gone

i wonder how nice it will ride

brand new tokico's
brand new sprint springs
brand new nitto neogen tires
TypeR fronts
SE-i rears
All new ball joints

:-D

all that will be left suspension wise (major parts anyway) will be a 4g ST br and 4g DC lower tie bar

it shall be teh ubersexy

[ZackieDarko]

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a96/ZackieDarko/DSCN0706.jpg


my mechanic buddy kevin helping me out
http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a96/ZackieDarko/DSCN0703.jpg

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a96/ZackieDarko/DSCN0704.jpg

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a96/ZackieDarko/DSCN0710.jpg

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a96/ZackieDarko/DSCN0712.jpg

the old axles and spindles...no more grinding sound when i turn!

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a96/ZackieDarko/DSCN0708.jpg

we couldn't get the bolt that holds the strut to the spindle out...stuck to the bushing :( so no rear struts/springs for me

[ZackieDarko]

also i am 99% sure that I have the WRONG trailing arms for the rear disc conversion

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a96/ZackieDarko/DSCN0717.jpg

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a96/ZackieDarko/DSCN0716.jpg

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a96/ZackieDarko/DSCN0715.jpg

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a96/ZackieDarko/DSCN0714.jpg

[ZackieDarko]

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a96/ZackieDarko/DSCN0801.jpg

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a96/ZackieDarko/DSCN0800.jpg

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a96/ZackieDarko/DSCN0799.jpg

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a96/ZackieDarko/DSCN0798.jpg

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a96/ZackieDarko/DSCN0797.jpg

[MessyHonda]

looks nice...how does it stop?

[Hazwan]

hot!

[russiankid]

Yes those trailing arms are not the correct ones. Pull some off an 88-89 Accord.

[ZackieDarko]

looks nice...how does it stop?

its kinda mushy ATM

i am runing DOT 5 fluid with the stock original master cylinder and prop vavle


we bled the system 2 times already but it could be done again...i think when the rear discs and prop valve go on and its bled again it will be more firm


it still stops very well though....100mph to 50mph happens real fast :-p

[MessyHonda]

its kinda mushy ATM

i am runing DOT 5 fluid with the stock original master cylinder and prop vavle


we bled the system 2 times already but it could be done again...i think when the rear discs and prop valve go on and its bled again it will be more firm


it still stops very well though....100mph to 50mph happens real fast :-p



i think SS lines also help. on my dx the brakes feel mushy also...but it stops fine...on my lx-i....you hit the brakes the passanger is almost out the windshield....i was teaching my friend how to drive and she would stomp on the brakes...and damn its like negative G-force...haha

[wprocomp]

just to verify- the calipers I got are 96 honda Odessy-these are the same calipers as the Integra TypeR correct?

[Legend_master]

just to verify- the calipers I got are 96 honda Odessy-these are the same calipers as the Integra TypeR correct?

This was the list I got, maybe hostilejava could varify that those calipers are the same.

1997 - 2001 Acura Integra Type-R Front
1991 - 1997 Honda Accord Wagon Front
1992 - 1996 Honda Prelude V-TEC Front
1997 - 2001 Honda Prelude Exc. SH Front
1996 - 1999 Isuzu/Truck Oasis Front

[wprocomp]

woot got my brakes on-they pretty

[MessyHonda]

woot got my brakes on-they pretty



pics....im going to do this mod when my rotors mest up.

[Legend_master]

woot got my brakes on-they pretty

Awsome, so the Odessy calipers worked?

[wprocomp]

ACURA LEGEND

1995 V6 3.2 FI N C32A1 Sedan
1994 V6 3.2 FI N C32A1 Sedan
1993 V6 3.2 FI N C32A1 Sedan
1992 V6 3.2 FI N C32A1 Coupe, Sedan
1991 V6 3.2 FI N C32A1 Coupe, Sedan


ACURA RL

1998 V6 3.5 FI N C35A1
1997 V6 3.5 FI N C35A1
1996 V6 3.5 FI N C35A1


ACURA TL

1998 V6 3.2 FI N C32A6
1997 V6 3.2 FI N C32A6
1996 V6 3.2 FI N C32A6


HONDA CR-V

2001 L4 2.0 FI N B20Z2
2000 L4 2.0 FI N B20Z2
1999 L4 2.0 FI N B20Z2
1998 L4 2.0 FI N B20B4
1997 L4 2.0 FI N B20B4


HONDA ODYSSEY

1998 L4 2.3 FI N F23A7 w/ 15" wheels
1997 L4 2.2 FI N F22B6 w/ 15" wheels
1996 L4 2.2 FI N F22B6 w/ 15" wheels
1995 L4 2.2 FI N F22B6 w/ 15" wheels


HONDA PRELUDE

2001 L4 2.2 FI N H22A4
2000 L4 2.2 FI N H22A4
1999 L4 2.2 FI N H22A4
1998 L4 2.2 FI N H22A4
1997 L4 2.2 FI N H22A4


ISUZU OASIS

1999 L4 2.3 FI N F23A7
1998 L4 2.3 FI N
1997 L4 2.2 FI N 4
1996 L4 2.2 FI N 4

all use the same calipers

[Legend_master]

ACURA LEGEND

1995 V6 3.2 FI N C32A1 Sedan
1994 V6 3.2 FI N C32A1 Sedan
1993 V6 3.2 FI N C32A1 Sedan
1992 V6 3.2 FI N C32A1 Coupe, Sedan
1991 V6 3.2 FI N C32A1 Coupe, Sedan


ACURA RL

1998 V6 3.5 FI N C35A1
1997 V6 3.5 FI N C35A1
1996 V6 3.5 FI N C35A1


ACURA TL

1998 V6 3.2 FI N C32A6
1997 V6 3.2 FI N C32A6
1996 V6 3.2 FI N C32A6


HONDA CR-V

2001 L4 2.0 FI N B20Z2
2000 L4 2.0 FI N B20Z2
1999 L4 2.0 FI N B20Z2
1998 L4 2.0 FI N B20B4
1997 L4 2.0 FI N B20B4


HONDA ODYSSEY

1998 L4 2.3 FI N F23A7 w/ 15" wheels
1997 L4 2.2 FI N F22B6 w/ 15" wheels
1996 L4 2.2 FI N F22B6 w/ 15" wheels
1995 L4 2.2 FI N F22B6 w/ 15" wheels


HONDA PRELUDE

2001 L4 2.2 FI N H22A4
2000 L4 2.2 FI N H22A4
1999 L4 2.2 FI N H22A4
1998 L4 2.2 FI N H22A4
1997 L4 2.2 FI N H22A4


ISUZU OASIS

1999 L4 2.3 FI N F23A7
1998 L4 2.3 FI N
1997 L4 2.2 FI N 4
1996 L4 2.2 FI N 4

all use the same calipers

That cannot be right, because the caliper is mounted on the opposite side of the rotors for the Legends of those years.

[carotman]

Right.

Tough those cars use the same caliper, I'm sure the bracket might be different. We need the Type-R bracket right? I'm sure other brackets could also fit but this needs to be digged into.

[AccordB20A]

Interesting stuff. I noted when installing larger brakes upgrading the master cylinder with the one the brakes came off helps. Make sure you keep the same accord booster tho.

[carotman]

So, what caliper bracket do we need to use?

[Legend_master]

So, what caliper bracket do we need to use?

any from the list I posted :) .