Did the 3G ever come with a diesel engine?

[deevergote]

I've searched and found nothing, so I assume no... but I figure I might as well ask anyway! I know the US usually only got the biggest motors, while other countries got the more efficient fare.

I just got my 3G back, and the motor is 100% shot. It has to come out. I could just drop in another stock motor, but I'm thinking of something interesting that I could do instead! If there's a diesel motor in other countries, that would be fantastic.

If not, it's either an A20A or an H22A.

[86AccordLxi]

Nope, only gas.

Alex

[deevergote]

Damn. That would've been a nice swap!


Oh well... I can get 30mpg out of an H22 easily enough... probably more in the lightweight 3g.

[A18A]

i remember 1ajs posted a pic of a diesel a20 head before... i think... ill try find it

hmm maybe not, here it is: http://www.3geez.com/forum/showpost.php?p=749092&postcount=478

[labeledsk8r]

actully you got it the other way around, america got one of the smaller engines, while everyware else had an option of a b20a on the more then basic models. But the engine is rare and the 5speed to match is even rarer as neither were ever sold in america, the h22 swap would be the 2nd or 3rd (depending how fast vector gets his done) and isnt exactly an easy task, much easyer to go well built A20 or a custom mount and custom axel set up on a B series, goodluck

[deevergote]

The only reason I'd do H22 is that I'm currently building another one for my 4th gen, and the one that's currently in there would probably just go in the hatchback.

Dangle the motor, line up where the axles should go (H inners, Integra outers, I read?), mock up some mounts... fab the mounts... use a 4th gen shifter setup. Wiring would just be a matter of using a 4th gen harness worked into the 3rd gen wiring for the cluster... most of the idiot lights and such are the same. 4th gen wiring to the engine bay from the ECU, and I can just add the wires for VTEC.
I know it won't actually BE that easy... but as long as I can get the motor in and the axle geometry correct, the rest is just taking my time and being patient!


If I don't go that route, turbo A20A is the plan... it WAS the whole reason I bought the car, afterall! (got it from wikkedv15 back in 2004... flew down to get it, drove it home, let it sit for 2 years because it was a mess... sold it to my friend in VA, and he just gave it back to me)



If I could find a diesel, though... it'd be even better! The H22 gets good gas mileage, and even when building it, I want to retain that... but I already have a quick H22 Accord. The diesel would be unique, and really save at the pump. Plus, turbo diesels have some potential :D

[labeledsk8r]

lol sorry im used to seeing someone thats new just jump in and say there gona swap sometihng without doing searching around, glad to know you allready have some info on it, if i were you i would defently watch vectors H22A swap thread, he keeps note of his work very well. you seem to know what your up against though, so goodluck

[deevergote]

:lol: Yeah, I'm only new here (well, I've been a member for a while... haven't posted much since I gave up on the hatch). I'm not exactly a noob on cb7tuner ;)

But yeah, I was just checking out Vector and Johnny O... Johnny's tube frame is WAY too much for me to consider. I looked through Vector's thread yesterday, but I just skimmed it. I'm about to go back and see how he got around the motor hitting the rear crossmember...

I should probably post another thread, since this one is getting WAY off topic... but another thing I'm curious about would be headswap options. I'm not usually a fan of frankensteins, but I know my A20A (well, BT) head is shot... The F series has had lots of headswap progress in the past few years (wikkedv15, who sold me the hatch, was actually a pretty big player in the F22 headswap scene for a while) I haven't been able to find any headswap info on the A series though. It'd be cool if there was a way to get a B16 head on there! :D (probably easier to swap in the H... lol)

[Sporno]

dude if your dying to do some crazy swap drop in a K20/K24 hybrid or drop in one of the honda V6 engines , or find a honda city turbo and drop in that motor

try those

[deevergote]

Like I said, I already have the H22. I'm not really THAT interested in putting it in the 3G, but if it comes to putting something in there, that's what's on hand. If there was a diesel in the 3G somewhere in Europe or Asia, I'd find one of those and have it shipped here... wouldn't really be a crazy swap, since it'd belong in the chassis. BUT, unless someone is hiding the existence of a diesel 3G, I'm out of luck with that!

It's funny... cb7tuner.com is the same way. Someone asks about a swap, and a swarm of "I can't do it but you should" people fly in and say K! V6!

The City turbo motor is a cool idea, though... isn't it a 1.3L though? An A20A with a cam would be better than that!

[2ndGenGuy]

i remember 1ajs posted a pic of a diesel a20 head before... i think... ill try find it

hmm maybe not, here it is: http://www.3geez.com/forum/showpost.php?p=749092&postcount=478

That's not a diesel, thats the cylinder head off of my car. It's CVCC.

[A18A]

oh lol okay my bad

[Sporno]

Like I said, I already have the H22. I'm not really THAT interested in putting it in the 3G, but if it comes to putting something in there, that's what's on hand. If there was a diesel in the 3G somewhere in Europe or Asia, I'd find one of those and have it shipped here... wouldn't really be a crazy swap, since it'd belong in the chassis. BUT, unless someone is hiding the existence of a diesel 3G, I'm out of luck with that!

It's funny... cb7tuner.com is the same way. Someone asks about a swap, and a swarm of "I can't do it but you should" people fly in and say K! V6!

The City turbo motor is a cool idea, though... isn't it a 1.3L though? An A20A with a cam would be better than that!

1. i wasent talking bout your everyday k swap into a civic ... its a K20/K24 hybrid in a 3g..... find someone else thats done that.

2. true about the V6 thing

3. think about the fun you can have with a honda city turbo engine , yes small , yes underpowered , but it comes with a turbo ... meaning you can extract alot more power from it .... well prolly

Again know anyone thats done swap 1 , or 3 into a 3rd gen , no ......

Im not tryin to rip on you , it seems like you have the drive and ambition to really do something good.

I mean look at the Civette , a K20/K24 hybrid ( not just a k20) is a walk in the park in comparison

Again Im not flaming or ripping on you about this

[Civic Accord Honda]

rofl at a18 and 2nd gen guy
...
h22 sounds nice :)

[2ndGenGuy]

The City Turbo puts out a whopping 90-100hp or something like that. It's not got a lot of torque and you'd probably burn your clutch and wind up spinning it up to ridiculous RPMS to make it work. Plus, the exhaust it out the back of the motor, as it's the older E-series engine. Oh yeah, plus it's CVCC. Good luck with tuning on that bad boy. :D

If you want to do anything with the City Turbo setup, you get the manifolds, ECU, injectors, etc and install them onto an '81 EK1 engine. That will give you a turbo setup but with an 1800cc block. The manifolds match up, but all you'd have to do is make an adapter plate or port the exhaust manifold to fit a bigger turbo, install some aftermarket engine management (MegaSquirt comes to mind), and you'd be off.

[thegreatdane]

No diesel 3rd gen accords anywhere in the world, sorry. But I remember some guy having a website about his 3gee where he had replaced the engine with an electric motor. dunno if it still exists. Now that we were on the topic of alternative engines....

[deevergote]

My neighbor just told me of a guy in our area that has a Metro with an electric motor... it's a good deal smaller than the 3g, but I should find this guy and see what he had to do!


I'm being prodded by a friend to put a turbo diesel VW engine in there... I think if I'm going to do any crazy swap, it'll be the H22A.

[Sporno]

thats not crazy , is been done before

but check out the electric thing

im on my schools robotics team and i know you can do alot with a couple of DC motors and some free time

[MessyHonda]

the b20 and the a20 is still the same size...its just that the b20 got one more valve per cly

[2oodoor]

Diesel?
There was an 85-86 Toyota Corolla down the street in someones yard a few months ago I was looking at, it had a diesel. They were not sold in US that I know of but they were military migraters, the car need cv joints and alternator.. you could probably swap that drivetrain into an accord just as easy as any other fwd swap.

['A20A3']

i can get you a A20 from japan for cheap. $700 to the door with like 30K on the motor.(longblock only) the one in my car now i got from them and dropped it in. hell i could even come up there and help you drop it in. i remember back in the day when i used to frequent CB7Tuner we used to talk about meeting up and doing something with the accords. lemme know whats good man. i'm glad you got the 3G back. :cheers:

['A20A3']

and before anybody says anything, YES, i do know that there is no such thing really as a JDM A20, but the 88 and 89 coupes were shipped over there with the A3 in them so that's where it's coming from.

fresh, low mileage A20A3's :cheers:

[ghettogeddy]

and before anybody says anything, YES, i do know that there is no such thing really as a JDM A20, but the 88 and 89 coupes were shipped over there with the A3 in them so that's where it's coming from.

fresh, low mileage A20A3's :cheers:

there is a a20 that wasent usdm born thats the a20a4

[MessyHonda]

there is a a20 that wasent usdm born thats the a20a4

same engine tho....just no EGR or 02 sensors.

[Tomisimo]

No... First Honda Diesel arrived with 7th Gen Accord.
Honda both 2.4L Diesel Engine from Suzuki and perfected it. By that this engine was nominated as Best Diesel Engine of the year 2006.

[deevergote]

i can get you a A20 from japan for cheap. $700 to the door with like 30K on the motor.(longblock only) the one in my car now i got from them and dropped it in. hell i could even come up there and help you drop it in. i remember back in the day when i used to frequent CB7Tuner we used to talk about meeting up and doing something with the accords. lemme know whats good man. i'm glad you got the 3G back. :cheers:

If I can't rebuild the current one for less, I may go for that :D $700 is a lot of money for a stock replacement, but that's still a decent deal!

We'll definitely have to meet up sometime, regardless. I've been dying to get a meet at Atco Raceway... the unfortunate thing is that it'd be on a Tuesday or Wednesday for street night, and most people that are over an hour away won't make the trip :(

Next time Bisi races up there, I'll get a meet together :D He's more of a hero to the CB7 guys, I suppose, since he races with an F22... but it's carbureted, so that should be cool to the 3geez guys! :lol:

[AccordB20A]

lol u may aswell pay me $1500 (estimate) and get a jdm b20a and 5 speed from me. you can use the a20a intake manifold/axles ecu/loom/pedals/shifter so shippiung the engines the costly part

[deevergote]

Man, I wish I had $1500 to spend! I'd love a B20A! I was looking around today to see where to find them, even! Down the line, if you can still do it, I may take you up on that.

After thinking realistically about the project, I think I'm just going to rebuild the A20A for now. I know I'll want more power later on, but the building experience will be valuable, and it's a very inexpensive and forgiving engine! The B20A might be the best choice later, since turbo or an H22 swap will require some pretty major work.

[lostforawhile]

is the seventh gen accord diesel sold here? have you thought of locating a wrecked one and doing that swap? i'm sure that car isn't nearly as popular as the gas engines and the parts may be cheaper.

[1ajs]

i remember 1ajs posted a pic of a diesel a20 head before... i think... ill try find it

hmm maybe not, here it is: http://www.3geez.com/forum/showpost.php?p=749092&postcount=478

lol thats off a16 mat lol