4g distributor adapter for obd-1 conversion

[forrest89sei]

He's been on myspace:

http://www.myspace.com/melvin_w

I'd contact him there....


This sucks, I had such high hopes and wanted to get one of these plates someday :crying:

[LX-incredible]

He's been on myspace:

http://www.myspace.com/melvin_w

I'd contact him there....


This sucks, I had such high hopes and wanted to get one of these plates someday :crying:

It does suck. I'm not going to try and contact him, as I'm sure he's uninterested. I just wish I would of known about this before I bought $145 of now useless bolts and o-rings.

[Chuoiz]

can somebody send me the specs for the adapter plate? I know someone who might be able to make some...

[crucial]

Okay im back, sorry about this but have been going through some crap at work and with the court systems. Im gonna see about doing the lathe work tomorrow after work, ill let u all know whats going on with it.

[labeledsk8r]

Okay im back, sorry about this but have been going through some crap at work and with the court systems. Im gonna see about doing the lathe work tomorrow after work, ill let u all know whats going on with it.

that sucks man,hope it gets worked out. glad your back though.

[MessyHonda]

still hope....thanks for checkin in

[crucial]

Had to make a tool for the grove today didn't have anything that small. So im gonna try to get it done tomorrow, Im limited on time atm cause we dont have a swing shit and working part time on the weekends at another shop but will get it all done soon.

[crucial]

If u subtracted the 0.271 from 1.322 it comes out 1.051. Is there 0.01 tolerance on it?
http://img262.imageshack.us/img262/736/key75co0hf9.jpg (http://imageshack.us)[/QUOTE]

[crucial]

LX-incredible?

[LX-incredible]

Glad to have you back!

1.322" should be 1.332" I must've gotten that wrong when adding the .75".

http://img120.imageshack.us/img120/5794/key75rh0.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[crucial]

Sweet Ill see about getting the lathe work done today!

[EricW]

Awesome I can't wait to see this project finished.

[crucial]

Okay Ill be able to do the key on Friday, and the the next Friday i can do the revised plate.

[LX-incredible]

Sweet.

[2drSE-i]

excellent i was sad when i thought this wasnt gonna happen.

[crucial]

So heres some pics of what i got so far on the key, just need to do the mill work now (two more ops)

http://img529.imageshack.us/img529/4198/dizzykey001mo4.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/5664/dizzykey002vm5.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/3891/dizzykey003pm4.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[crucial]

Im thinking ill be done in about 2 weeks and have them shipped. The good news is that the key wont have any cost for material :cheers: We have a crap load of the steal laying around.

[labeledsk8r]

woot, cant wait to see the finished product. obd-1 swaps will be so much nicer now

[LX-incredible]

Cool, looks good so far!

I ran all the extra wires and made the conversion harness, so we should be ready to test when that time comes.

[Chuoiz]

keep up the good work guys...I've been waiting for these to be tested and as soon as thats done and things are ready for sale, then I can finally go through with my turbo setup..

[2drSE-i]

key looks awesome..im so freaking excited haha

[stat1K]

looking good.

[crucial]

Ok i did the second and third op today on the key. Will post pics soon. The overall length of the part is about 0.007 out. I wasn't thinking about the milling process when i did the lathe work. But working on getting some time allocated for a cnc lathe for it!

[crucial]

Heres some pics!

http://img114.imageshack.us/img114/4273/dizzykey004xr4.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img114.imageshack.us/img114/9241/dizzykey005kk3.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img81.imageshack.us/img81/7886/dizzykey006gy5.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img515.imageshack.us/img515/1484/dizzykey007vj6.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img252.imageshack.us/img252/2185/dizzykey008bv2.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[labeledsk8r]

that looks awsome!! nice work

[EricW]

Very nice work. I can't wait to get my hands on these parts.

[cygnus x-1]

Nice! One thing about the cam key though. It would probably be a good idea to get a smooth finish on the areas that mate with the cam. You don't want the key and the cam wearing against each other. No burrs or sharp edges. Even just using a stone or fine sand paper would probably be enough.

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[crucial]

I've been wondering if it should be heat treated too. The pics of the old part look like it was.

Oh yeah was the original hole (.159) 90 degrees from the teeth? If the teeth were 0 and the old hole was 90 then the new hole would be 63 from the 90 right?

http://img340.imageshack.us/img340/4131/degreesku3.png (http://imageshack.us)

Almost forgot, what is the diameter of the grove? .902?

[LX-incredible]

Damn bro, looking good!


I've been wondering if it should be heat treated too. The pics of the old part look like it was.
That one in the picture came of a toasted F22, I mean that thing was all kinds of dark inside. The other distributor keys I have don't look anywhere near as bad. I'm going to say no, unless there is anyone thinking otherwise...


Oh yeah was the original hole (.159) 90 degrees from the teeth? If the teeth were 0 and the old hole was 90 then the new hole would be 63 from the 90 right?

http://img135.imageshack.us/img135/111/keyoffsettz2.jpg
Correct, going CCW from the 90º, teeth facing up like in the picture. Clockwise would be 117º from 90º. Looks like you got it.


Almost forgot, what is the diameter of the grove? .902?
Yes, .902"

[LX-incredible]

Ok i did the second and third op today on the key. Will post pics soon. The overall length of the part is about 0.007 out. I wasn't thinking about the milling process when i did the lathe work. But working on getting some time allocated for a cnc lathe for it!

I missed this... 0.007" short? It shouldn't be much of a problem for the testing. If everything else is good it might be best to to make a revised plate first so we can be sure that the angle of the pin hole is dead-on.

Let me know if you need something for the material. Thanks man.

[crucial]

Waiting for a mill to open up to do the plate. Just wanted to give an update on it.

[LX-incredible]

Cool, thanks!

[crucial]

I missed this... 0.007" short? It shouldn't be much of a problem for the testing. If everything else is good it might be best to to make a revised plate first so we can be sure that the angle of the pin hole is dead-on.

Let me know if you need something for the material. Thanks man.

We just did some train turbos so ill be able to snag one of the center pieces (what i used last time)

[crucial]

Didn't know where to post this but my car just took a dump. Was driving home from work today and blew the motor. The motor has 260000+ miles on it and the head gasket has leaked oil since around 210000 miles. The good news is that ill finely be able to fix the leaky gasket. But will be car less for about a week. :(

[86nlife2go]

ouch, that sux man, mine is at 265k. Fingers crossed,lol. no leaks im aware of for now. Get'er fixed. good luck!

[Sabz5150]

Cad files?

[crucial]

Cad files?

Cad files work.

[crucial]

Sorry to say but im still waiting for a machine to open up. We have been slammed with work lately.

[labeledsk8r]

whats all left to go into this project?? just get a revised plate made and tested?? then it goes into production (so to speak)??

[crucial]

That pretty much sums it up lol.Once its tested and proven ill be able to run all the parts in one day.

[labeledsk8r]

That pretty much sums it up lol.Once its tested and proven ill be able to run all the parts in one day.

awsome, lol cant wait till a price range on these are worked out :thumbup:

[turabaka]

I'm assuming that carbed guys don't get the option of using the 4g distributors correct?

[labeledsk8r]

I'm assuming that carbed guys don't get the option of using the 4g distributors correct?

you couldnt really use it.... this is for obd-1 swaping for fuel injection... so no not really lol

[turabaka]

you couldnt really use it.... this is for obd-1 swaping for fuel injection... so no not really lol

yeah, that's what I thought.

[crucial]

Tomorrow might be the day :) I'll be finishing a job tomorrow and will probably be setting up the next, if i do, ill leave room on the table for the part.

[crucial]

Wasn't able to run it, but made room for it, so sometime next week ill run it.

[rustlude87]

Does anyone have an idea when these will be done?

I'm really excited to see the progress

[2drSE-i]

maybe 2-3 months, tops? they still have to get the keys made, and then put together the finished product, and then test it. It all really depends on the machine work.

[crucial]

I don't work at my other job this weekend, so I'm gonna try and do the revised plate tomorrow!
Will let u know how it goes.

[labeledsk8r]

I don't work at my other job this weekend, so I'm gonna try and do the revised plate tomorrow!
Will let u know how it goes.

Sweet!

[stat1K]

yeah once lx-incredible gets the piece it will be put on and tested then we will go from there. i'm really excited for this too.

[rustlude87]

I really like the progress on this

So let me see what we got so far...

1. adapter plate
2. and key (extension for the key)
3. does it need to be re keyed?

[labeledsk8r]

I really like the progress on this

So let me see what we got so far...

1. adapter plate
2. and key (extension for the key)
3. does it need to be re keyed?

it seems as if the extention makes up for the key difreneces... so its all plug and play (with the wireing of corse)

[Vanilla Sky]

Bolt-on mod. The new key makes up for the difference in angle.

[crucial]

LX-incredible has made a complete kit (I think) with wiring harness, seals and studs for this. Its all pretty much waiting on my slow a$$

[crucial]

Some time next week i am going to get a 93 Honda civic which ill be doing a b16 swap and was thinking of seeing about making motor mounts for a 3G since i already have the motor and transmission out of my 88 accord lx. I was looking into the swap(for civic) and it seems that the b16 and b18 both fit, so with the proper motor mounts, it would be possible to drop one in a 3G.

I'm guessing there would need to be transmission mounts made to. Not sure about the axles, but i there were mount available the rest would probably come together.

I know Attarco (at-tar-co)sells a b16 for 750.00 and b18 for 1950.00.
http://www.attarco.com

[stat1K]

yeah crucial people have already put b-series in 3g's the problem is the mounts... the rest of the stuff is pretty easy... but back on topic... yeah you would need a obd0-obd1 harness which lx-incredible has made at least two of for the accord and one for my rex... and dizzy adapter's whichare real easy... the rest is just the plate and key.

[Vanilla Sky]

If mounts were made, they would be purchased. If you could make mounts and have them priced around $400, you'd sell a LOT of them.

The axles are easy to get, as we can easily build them ourselves, and the wiring isn't that bad if you can read the wire colors. It's the mounts that keep us from swapping.

[MessyHonda]

If mounts were made, they would be purchased. If you could make mounts and have them priced around $400, you'd sell a LOT of them.

The axles are easy to get, as we can easily build them ourselves, and the wiring isn't that bad if you can read the wire colors. It's the mounts that keep us from swapping.




you have been here longer than me...and you know "mounts" are not the problem....its the people that dont have money...i would elaborate but i just woke up 15 mins ago...now lets stop whoring this mans thread and start a new one called....what can crucial make for us that dont cost over 500 bucks...he needs to live....and wont work for free

[EricW]

LX-incredible
If you need someone to test the plate and key that is already runing obd1 let me know and we can work out something.

[stat1K]

i believe he's just going to test it himself since he has all of the wiring and distributors; just needs the plate to begin testing.

[MessyHonda]

im already obd1...i would buy a kit also...so then i could run it with the right angles

['A20A3']

okay i'm drooling here. how much for this whole kit thingy and when could i get one?

i'm sitting on some good money and i'm ready to use it.

[stat1K]

well it's not exactly in the for sale phase as of yet since lx-incredible has not recieved the plate to begin his testing. once that's completed a fair price will be decided upon since he's a fair guy.

['A20A3']

sweeeet. i'll be keeping a close eye on this thread. :cheers:

[stat1K]

as will we all... lol.

[crucial]

Still haven't been able to get the part done and if i can't get it in a machine soon I'm gonna see if my girlfriends dads shop can do it for me. The only reason i haven't asked him to run it so far is because i wont have control over how it gets done and can't make the proper adjustments needed. But am working on a set of blue prints for it. That should help.

[stat1K]

cool... keep us updated man!

[crucial]

Okay i got a machine for tomorrow! :)

[stat1K]

nice!

[crucial]

LX-incredible I need your address again . I think i deleted it.

[labeledsk8r]

does this mean its done!?!?!?! lol

[crucial]

Just need to run last op (coolant port) and will be able to ship both parts next Monday. My boss said he will let me use the cncs on the weekends even if there are parts in the machine, i just have to leave it as i found it. We have more jobs then people and machine atm and looks like its going to just get worse so he decided that this would be the best way for the employees to "experiment". Which is good news for me cause i have a crap load of parts to make.

Ill post a pic when the coolant port is done, nothing new to see atm.

[EX-ileAccord]

just read this whole thred :eek: :jaw: :thumbup: My hat is off to you sirs. well done

[Vanilla Sky]

One of these days, I'll buy a CNC machine.

[crucial]

One of these days, I'll buy a CNC machine.

LOL!

[labeledsk8r]

this is sweet!! im so excited to see these things start selling... i feel like i allready need to start on my conversion harness lol

[stat1K]

yeah only problem is that lx-incredible is MIA since he's starting a new job kinda and he broke his phone rofl... so i haven't talked to him in like a week so no idea when he's gonna be on / have time...

['A20A3']

i'm still in. down like a clown, charlie brown. :thumbup:

[crucial]

Looks like ill be able to finish the part on Sunday (gotta work at other job on Saturday). Ill post some pics then just ship it to him.

[stat1K]

he fixed his phone so i'll let him know when it's shipping.

[LX-incredible]

Thanks for the updates Patrick. lol

Sorry for not checking in, I really don't get much time to myself anymore. Now is the time if we want to get this thing tested. I'm planning on the summer being real busy.

Let me know if you need anything else. Thanks.

-Angus

[stat1K]

HE'S ALIVE!!!!! But yeah lets get this shit going!!!!!!! sorry it's late and i may or may not be drunk rofl... but yeah bump.

[crucial]

I'm working on getting the coolant port aligned right. The angle i had come up with is wrong and am working it out.

[rustlude87]

bump, any updates?

[stat1K]

Ttt

[LX-incredible]

:ugh2:

[2drSE-i]

is anything happening with this? Just curious, not nagging.

[stat1K]

go ahead nag... we have no idea.

[2drSE-i]

well i was kinda asking lx-incredible...hes hasnt really said anything... i guess crucial is the one missing though huh?

[MessyHonda]

lets hope he is not in jail again.

[crucial]

Sorry for not updating but have been working on my car, I have to get it running ASAP.

[EricW]

Thanks for the update. Wish you were closer I'd help you get your car fixed.

[MessyHonda]

did you get the engine done yet?

[crucial]

Had to get a new engine. Ran out of cash till Friday, need gaskets belts and hose to get it done.

[stat1K]

well i was kinda asking lx-incredible...hes hasnt really said anything... i guess crucial is the one missing though huh?

well he hasn't been on either so i'm the one updating since i talk directly to him. but if you have any questions as far as our end of the process you can contact me and i can ask him... looking forward to hearing more progress from crucial but i know how things are. we all have out problems and can't spend every waking second on our cars now can we?

[stat1K]

ttt

['A20A3']

money money money money money :cheers:

[MessyHonda]

money money money money money :cheers:




i have i have i have

[stat1K]

yeah i think crucial is afk again.

[2drSE-i]

yeah i think crucial is afk again.

haha i havent heard anyone say afk in forever

[LX-incredible]

Certainly.

[A18A]

without having to read all this thread, is there 8 pages of just talking about a 4g dizzy adapter?

[LX-incredible]

Yes, 8 of talk... and another 7 of bullshit.

[stat1K]

And One More For Good Measure!

[LX-incredible]

Thanks bro, but I think this guy is gone for good...

[stat1K]

bump for 3geez and the inevitable epic fail...

[EricW]

To bad Lx-incredible didn't get the cad program from him then we could have had another machine shop finish it.

[A20A1]

http://www.download.com/DesignCAD-3D-Max/3000-6677_4-10201495.html?tag=lst-3&cdlPid=10201496

http://www.download.com/FreeCAD/3000-6677_4-10051192.html?tag=lst-10&cdlPid=10288248

http://www.download.com/CNC-CAD-CAM-Package/3000-6677_4-10073064.html?tag=lst-8&cdlPid=10145579

http://www.download.com/VariCAD-2008/3000-6677_4-10064063.html?tag=lst-2&cdlPid=10824730

[Vanilla Sky]

The thing is that a lot of the R&D had already been done.

[labeledsk8r]

are you guys sure he is gone for good? last i knew he was trying to get a new engine in and running in his daily car. i sooo dont want to hack up a dizzy for this its the only thing that scares me on obd swaping (wich is kinda dumb)

[Vanilla Sky]

I wish I had a CNC mill. I was looking at one for about $25,000. I've seen a couple on CL for around $15,000, though.

['A20A3']

he did put some of his time into this project almost fully completing it right? it would be kinda wasteful to just drop it all and walk away at this point..damn. but yeah there is epic failure alot. they're classic hondas this is the :toilet: for aftermarket . 3geez.com IS the aftermarket for us practically. unless you pioneer it yourself.

[crucial]

Sorry for not updating but im almost at the point of finishing my car and will move on to finish the plate. I have been saving scrap material for this though, got some stainless steel for the key and a few good pieces of aluminum for the plate.

If LX would like the files i can email them but there are Mastercam files.

I will update when i have a date to run the part.

[EricW]

Awesome, Thanks for the update!

[MessyHonda]

woot....the man is back.

[cygnus x-1]

Sorry guys, but I've been watching this thread since the beginning and I have to say; you guys have short attention spans. :nervous: It cracks me up! :lol: :lol:

C|

[LX-incredible]

Thanks for the update. I wouldn't mind a copy of the files if it's no trouble. What else do you need to finish your car? I may have what you need in the parts pile...

[stat1K]

ahh yes the parts pile lol...

[crucial]

Thanks for the update. I wouldn't mind a copy of the files if it's no trouble. What else do you need to finish your car? I may have what you need in the parts pile...


Well im just doing some machining on several of the parts i have and waiting for the head to get finished withe the port, polish and shave.
If you pm me your email ill send all the programs I have for it. For the mastercam files you would need mastercam to open them but the actual programs can be open in notepad/wordpad etc.

I think my header will be here on Friday so thats good news. And I'm suppose to get the head back by next Tuesday.

[LX-incredible]

Cool, pm sent.

Any ideas for time?

[stat1K]

Harveyyyyyyyyyy!?!?!?!

[LX-incredible]

lol.

Thanks for the plans. Are you still willing to finish this project?

['A20A3']

haha i thought i was like the only one left alive with the name harvey. :lol:

[stat1K]

omg is your name harvey????? rofl... omg i'm laughing so hard... hopefully lx-incredible sees this... hahahahhahahahahhahahahahhahahahaha so funny.....

[LX-incredible]

Haha, play nice stat1k.

So any news?

[rustlude87]

bump, what happned to this?? Is it dead?

[LX-incredible]

bump, what happned to this?? Is it dead?

Still waiting for an answer...

[EricW]

Maybe we should pitch in some money to help him finish.

[LX-incredible]

With his car or this project? I've offered to pay for materials and don't mind paying for his time. I can't afford $150 an hour though.

[EricW]

I was thinking along the lines of the project, but I'm sure if he got money to finish the project it would go towards his car anyway. I would just really like to see the project finished so I could buy one to replace my custom set up.

[MessyHonda]

I was thinking along the lines of the project, but I'm sure if he got money to finish the project it would go towards his car anyway. I would just really like to see the project finished so I could buy one to replace my custom set up.



yeah i think my dizzy is going out...sometimes my car wont start. tach jumps around...thanks to my msd box

[stat1K]

if the tach jumps it's typically the coil or the ignition unit not the entire dizzy.


and as far as this goes... if lx-incredible had money to spend on a real machinist like one that costs 150 an hour he would have already spent it i know this to be true. i'm willing to chip in a lil bit to see this come to a finish as well... if that's what he needs.

[guaynabo89]

yeah i think my dizzy is going out...sometimes my car wont start. tach jumps around...thanks to my msd box

start simple.

Have your battery tested for load etc.

[Ichiban]

Sorry for not updating but im almost at the point of finishing my car and will move on to finish the plate. I have been saving scrap material for this though, got some stainless steel for the key and a few good pieces of aluminum for the plate.

If LX would like the files i can email them but there are Mastercam files.

I will update when i have a date to run the part.

Can you render these files directly to G code, and is mastercam at all compatible with gibbscam?

[2oodoor]

Sorry guys, but I've been watching this thread since the beginning and I have to say; you guys have short attention spans. :nervous: It cracks me up! :lol: :lol:

C|

:cool:

[LX-incredible]

if the tach jumps it's typically the coil or the ignition unit not the entire dizzy.


and as far as this goes... if lx-incredible had money to spend on a real machinist like one that costs 150 an hour he would have already spent it i know this to be true. i'm willing to chip in a lil bit to see this come to a finish as well... if that's what he needs.

Thanks buddy. You ever get your car going?

[EricW]

yeah i think my dizzy is going out...sometimes my car wont start. tach jumps around...thanks to my msd box

Your ignitor is probably going out. The msd boxes like to kill the stock ignitors.

I built a solid state trigger to replace my ignitor after the msd killed it. It has worked like a charm.

http://www.getglitched.com/pgmfiwiki/www.pgmfi.org/twiki/bin/view/Library/IgnitorReplacement.html

Look for my thread/posts on here about it. The ZTX857 is no longer available and i found a suitable(larger) replacement for it.

edit again
Heres the thread. http://www.3geez.com/forum/showthread.php?t=56779&highlight=ZTX857

[guaynabo89]

gonna have to check that out. :)

[MessyHonda]

Your ignitor is probably going out. The msd boxes like to kill the stock ignitors.

I built a solid state trigger to replace my ignitor after the msd killed it. It has worked like a charm.

http://www.getglitched.com/pgmfiwiki/www.pgmfi.org/twiki/bin/view/Library/IgnitorReplacement.html

Look for my thread/posts on here about it. The ZTX857 is no longer available and i found a suitable(larger) replacement for it.

edit again
Heres the thread. http://www.3geez.com/forum/showthread.php?t=56779&highlight=ZTX857


cool il have to call you on this one...i dont have lots of time cuz i work 45 hr weeks

[cygnus x-1]

Can you render these files directly to G code, and is mastercam at all compatible with gibbscam?

I know Mastercam has its own file format, but it should also do IGES files too. I know it can import them at least.

C|

[Ichiban]

As long as I can import it directly to the machine via the whatever the fuck port it has on the side, or god forbid, type it in directly, I can make it work. Sorry, a bit boozed right now.

[Ichiban]

As far as I can tell from wikipedia, our machine will shit the bed if fed IGES file format.

Here's the format I need:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G-code

[cygnus x-1]

As far as I can tell from wikipedia, our machine will shit the bed if fed IGES file format.

Here's the format I need:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G-code

No the machines themselves will not read IGES, but I was thinking Gibbscam might.

C|

[lostforawhile]

Your ignitor is probably going out. The msd boxes like to kill the stock ignitors.

I built a solid state trigger to replace my ignitor after the msd killed it. It has worked like a charm.

http://www.getglitched.com/pgmfiwiki/www.pgmfi.org/twiki/bin/view/Library/IgnitorReplacement.html

Look for my thread/posts on here about it. The ZTX857 is no longer available and i found a suitable(larger) replacement for it.

edit again
Heres the thread. http://www.3geez.com/forum/showthread.php?t=56779&highlight=ZTX857

does anyone know why it should just be providing a trigger signal. you also could replace it with a solid state relay. the trigger signal feeds it then it feeds the msd box. a olid state one can go up to thousands of hertz i believe.

[LX-incredible]

:sadwave:

[LX-incredible]

Bump

[crucial]

Well i have no good news on the project, I've been fired from that job and am currently seeking new employment. I recently got a DUI then a week later got a driving on revoked license, went to jail, missed work cause of it and got canned.

[LX-incredible]

Lame.
Thanks for all the effort you put into it. You really saved me a lot of trouble writing the program, and working out the kinks.

Do you still have the key? I would like to make sure the offset is correct before having another made.

I have another guy looking at it locally, but that will most likely fall through. Don't really have the $ for a real machinist right now. Anyone else on here with a CNC mill and mastercam? lol

[Ichiban]

We just got Mastercam this week. The Haas VF-7 hasn't gone anywhere.

[LX-incredible]

Would you be willing to tackle this? I can pay for the materials and something for your time. I'm too poor for much else lol.

[Ichiban]

I need to approach the machine operator, "Dave", as I don't actually run that machine. He's usually up for anything. Also, what are the material and tooling requirements for this job?

[LX-incredible]

7" X 6.35" X 3/4" aluminium for the plate, steel for the key. As far as the tooling I have no idea.

[Ichiban]

I wonder if it would be cheaper to buy a piece of aluminum round stock, and chuck and advance it in the rotary table as each part is finished, either way the material is gonna be pricey.

[EricW]

I hope you guys can get several of these made, I would really like to get my hands on one.

[MessyHonda]

yeah this is the only part that is wanting me to go with a b-swap cuz my dizzy went out and my car wont work

[stat1K]

:chainsaw:

[MessyHonda]

found out my distributor was fine...it was just a wire that goes to the ECU was getting grounded on the pedals making the car die

[LX-incredible]

Any news?

[LX-incredible]

What would one of you gentlemen charge to run one of these with the key, full price?

[EricW]

Is the program finished and it just needs to be run or does the part need to be checked 1st to make sure its correct? I would like to get one of these if their ever made.

[LX-incredible]

Program should be finished... Just need to check the offset on the key after we get one made. One way or another I will make it work and note the changes that need to be made to the following kits. We're real close.

[stat1K]

bump for flakers.

[LX-incredible]

What would one of you gentlemen charge to run one of these with the key, full price?

[LX-incredible]

Can anyone run these? What would you charge?

['A20A3']

damn i havent been here in months and this still is happening. :burn:

[LX-incredible]

Doesn't look like it. No one here will do anything for the community, and I'm starting to get sick of trying. I put quite a bit of time into this to get nowhere. I don't even spend too much time here anymore. Seems that every thread is "how do I change a timing belt?" or "check out my wing and fart can". Let's face it, people with money aren't buying these cars anymore. You can look forward to more 3" drop, chrome rim, and wheel spacer threads. It's starting to get hard to find one at the yard that hasn't been beaned out. Anyways... I don't have the time for this shit anymore. If someone else wants to put some effort in, I'd be down to help.

Later,
Angus

[EricW]

Have you tried to find a machine shop online that you could send the program to and have them run one for you or at least see what it would cost to have one run?

[cygnus x-1]

Alright, alright. I'm a slacker. Guilty as charged. As Morpheus said, time is always against us.


So I looked at the Mastercam files you sent me Angus, and while they are pretty much correct there wasn't quite enough information to describe how to make the parts, mostly in terms of stock setup, but also the coolant port didn't look quite right; and the file for the key only covered milling the tabs, not how to make the entire part. So I went and created CAD models for both parts in order to have a complete representation instead of just one persons interpretation of how to cut out the parts. This way you could send the files to any machine shop, regardless of what software they use, and they could make them. The native files are Solidworks format but I also saved them as IGES files that any machine shop can handle. I'll email these to you shortly.

Now about the coolant port; I reshaped it for a couple reasons. One was to make it so that the stock D shaped thermostat housing gasket would fit better. The other reason was because the angled hole was actually cutting into the groove for the seal. While it would probably work ok that way it just didn't seem right. So I moved the flat surface over just a little to clear the groove. It makes the port slightly smaller but the cross sectional area is still much larger than the sum of the cross sectional areas of all the outlet ports on the thermostat housing. Which is the long way of saying it's plenty big enough.

Unfortunately, even with the reshaped port it's still going to be tricky to machine because of the way the hole is angled and how a typical 3 axis mill works. There are multiple ways to do it but the setup is not trivial. So I left it generally the way was and we'll have to see how it works.

I sent both models to my machinist friend to see what he would charge for these parts. Full price I'm certain will be quite expensive, but I've helped him out in the past so we'll see what we can work out. I also want to see if he has any suggestions for easier ways to make the coolant port.

The first shot at these would probably be done with whatever scrap is laying around just to check for fit, since I reverse engineered these from the mastercam files and also the dimensions posted earlier on in the thread.

Oh, and I almost forgot, there was another thing I was wondering about. I thought the countersinks for the mounting holes seemed a little shallow. The 3 smaller ones were at 0.25" and the 2 larger ones were at 0.29". I didn't change them but I thought I would at least mention it.


Here are some pictures of the solid models:

http://bluegreenlabs.com/Prelude/OBD1Adapter/dizzyadapter1.jpg

http://bluegreenlabs.com/Prelude/OBD1Adapter/dizzyadapter1a.jpg

http://bluegreenlabs.com/Prelude/OBD1Adapter/dizzykey1.jpg



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[stat1K]

Wow someone's actually doing something!

Cygnus i called him just now to tell him about this and unfortunately he's out of town all week but when he get's back i'm sure he can give you his input on this stuff.

[EricW]

Nice work! I know those aren't finished designs but I think the two corners that are still sharp edges would look better rounded. The less sharp edges to work around in the car the better. I know it just means more machining but may as well get everything done the first time since there won't be that many of these made.

[Ichiban]

If someone has a conventional drawing I could probably pop one out on manual sometime this weekend.

Edit: as for the coolant port, the part would have to be set up on an angle plate and machined separately. BTW we NOW HAVE MASTERCAM.
I also just saw the D-shaped coolant seal ring groove. This will have to be done CNC.

[cygnus x-1]

If someone has a conventional drawing I could probably pop one out on manual sometime this weekend.

Edit: as for the coolant port, the part would have to be set up on an angle plate and machined separately. BTW we NOW HAVE MASTERCAM.
I also just saw the D-shaped coolant seal ring groove. This will have to be done CNC.


You could do this on a manual but the curves are somewhat complex so it would be painful. For the coolant port, an angle plate is exactly what I was thinking about. I made the inside contours so that a long endmill could be plunged in at an angle to get the right shape.

I haven't yet figured out the drawing side of Solidworks. Mostly just because I haven't spent the time to do it. I'm not a mechanical engineer and CAD is not my normal thing; but I am learning.

I though about sending the MC files to the machinist but I'm pretty sure he wouldn't be able to make the parts right without more information. I ran the toolpath simulations too and found a tool holder collision at one point, so I wouldn't completely trust them. And even if they were ok I'm sure my friend would want to redo them anyway.
It's kinda like when you get the driving directions from Mapquest or Google maps. You never follow the directions exactly in your own local area because you already know all the best ways to go. Following the directions exactly just makes it more confusing.

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[Ichiban]

I spoke to the guy that runs that machine today, and he says to simply send the IGES files. He can sort the toolpaths and everything else out before it's run. Also for the outside profile, unless it's super critical, it'll probably just be plasma'd or water-jetted out. My guess is it's purely (mostly) cosmetic.

[cygnus x-1]

I spoke to the guy that runs that machine today, and he says to simply send the IGES files. He can sort the toolpaths and everything else out before it's run. Also for the outside profile, unless it's super critical, it'll probably just be plasma'd or water-jetted out. My guess is it's purely (mostly) cosmetic.


Right. If I were doing the machining I would want the IGES files too. And yeah, the outside shape is mostly cosmetic. I'll go ahead and round the sharp corners though, just because it's easy and I can.

And Guy', if you PM me your email address I'll send you the IGES files. I certainly don't think Angus would mind. When my friend gets back to me I'll post up his quote and Angus can decide what he wants to do. And If you can do it cheaper that's cool.

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[LX-incredible]

Alright, alright. I'm a slacker. Guilty as charged. As Morpheus said, time is always against us.


So I looked at the Mastercam files you sent me Angus, and while they are pretty much correct there wasn't quite enough information to describe how to make the parts, mostly in terms of stock setup, but also the coolant port didn't look quite right; and the file for the key only covered milling the tabs, not how to make the entire part. So I went and created CAD models for both parts in order to have a complete representation instead of just one persons interpretation of how to cut out the parts. This way you could send the files to any machine shop, regardless of what software they use, and they could make them. The native files are Solidworks format but I also saved them as IGES files that any machine shop can handle. I'll email these to you shortly.

Now about the coolant port; I reshaped it for a couple reasons. One was to make it so that the stock D shaped thermostat housing gasket would fit better. The other reason was because the angled hole was actually cutting into the groove for the seal. While it would probably work ok that way it just didn't seem right. So I moved the flat surface over just a little to clear the groove. It makes the port slightly smaller but the cross sectional area is still much larger than the sum of the cross sectional areas of all the outlet ports on the thermostat housing. Which is the long way of saying it's plenty big enough.

Unfortunately, even with the reshaped port it's still going to be tricky to machine because of the way the hole is angled and how a typical 3 axis mill works. There are multiple ways to do it but the setup is not trivial. So I left it generally the way was and we'll have to see how it works.

I sent both models to my machinist friend to see what he would charge for these parts. Full price I'm certain will be quite expensive, but I've helped him out in the past so we'll see what we can work out. I also want to see if he has any suggestions for easier ways to make the coolant port.

The first shot at these would probably be done with whatever scrap is laying around just to check for fit, since I reverse engineered these from the mastercam files and also the dimensions posted earlier on in the thread.

Oh, and I almost forgot, there was another thing I was wondering about. I thought the countersinks for the mounting holes seemed a little shallow. The 3 smaller ones were at 0.25" and the 2 larger ones were at 0.29". I didn't change them but I thought I would at least mention it.


Here are some pictures of the solid models:

http://bluegreenlabs.com/Prelude/OBD1Adapter/dizzyadapter1.jpg

http://bluegreenlabs.com/Prelude/OBD1Adapter/dizzyadapter1a.jpg

http://bluegreenlabs.com/Prelude/OBD1Adapter/dizzykey1.jpg



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Nice work man, thanks for looking at them! That doesn't susprise me that they were lacking. It would've sucked to run another paperweight. Whatever he did for the coolant port, it looks like he had a hell of a time with it. Doesn't even come near to the planned shape size and angle.
The countersinks seemed fine on the plate he sent me but I'll double check.

[LX-incredible]

Right. If I were doing the machining I would want the IGES files too. And yeah, the outside shape is mostly cosmetic. I'll go ahead and round the sharp corners though, just because it's easy and I can.

And Guy', if you PM me your email address I'll send you the IGES files. I certainly don't think Angus would mind. When my friend gets back to me I'll post up his quote and Angus can decide what he wants to do. And If you can do it cheaper that's cool.

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Not at all, thanks guys.

[cygnus x-1]

I'll be going up to the shop today so I'll get some numbers for the job.

About making paperweights, that's why you always make the first one from crap laying around. And for the coolant port, I think we would try that setup first to see how doable it is. I'm thinking it will probably need a really long 1/4" endmill in order to clear the tool holder, and I don't know if he has one long enough. We'll see.

The countersinks may be fine, and even if they aren't they're easy to adjust.

I did send to the files to GuyHMC as well. Any luck GuyHMC?

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[EricW]

I just noticed the hole that will be threaded to hold down the distributor touches the notch for the D shaped O-ring on the top solid model. Is this something that needs to be addressed?

[1ajs]

are these models done in inventor?? god dam i miss that program

[1ajs]

Nice work man, thanks for looking at them! That doesn't susprise me that they were lacking. It would've sucked to run another paperweight. Whatever he did for the coolant port, it looks like he had a hell of a time with it. Doesn't even come near to the planned shape size and angle.
The countersinks seemed fine on the plate he sent me but I'll double check.


to make that port one would need 3 work planes and 1 sketch on each plane then u use the 3 planes as a path for the extrunde

but to make the port in the real world one would have to make a cast mold then machene the part

[LX-incredible]

I just noticed the hole that will be threaded to hold down the distributor touches the notch for the D shaped O-ring on the top solid model. Is this something that needs to be addressed?

My plan for that one was to not drill all the way through. It would probably make it a bitch to tap though.

[cygnus x-1]

I noticed the overlap of the one threaded hole with the D-ring groove before, and I didn't think it would be an issue. However after looking at it again, it's a little too close for comfort. So I think it's best to stop short of that groove, and the model has been adjusted as such.

The models were done in Solidworks. I know of Inventor but have never used it. In Solidworks the coolant port is done with something called a "loft cut". You sketch the end shapes on the front and back planes and it extrudes a cut from one to the other. The end shapes don't have to be the same either, so you can transition from one shape to another, like if you wanted to go from a round hole to a square hole. Very cool stuff.

To make the coolant port in real life you can just setup the plate on an angle and cut down through it. This is why I put radiuses on the inside of the port.


I ended up not going to the shop yesterday but I got some numbers anyway.

Adapter Plate:
$530 Qty = 1
$1350 Qty = 5

Distributor Key:
$240 Qty = 1
$510 Qty = 5

So for one set of parts the total is $770. For 5 sets of parts the total is $1860, which works out to $372 per set. Obviously 5 sets would be the way to go if possible. I know this may sound expensive to some but machine work is expensive. I don't know what my friends profit margin is on this but I'm certain it isn't that much. And just so everyone knows, I'm making exactly $0 on this. I just think it's a cool project and I want to see it succeed. Also, if this ends up happening I will make sure we end up with good parts and not paperweights. I would probably print out some 1:1 scale drawings to use as templates and go test fit them at the junkyard.


So that's where we stand. One last note, if there are any other adjustments to make, or if there's anything else that would be cool to include on the adapter plate, now would be the time to get it in.

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[Ichiban]

AAUGH!.....

Same old story here, I'm working 12's this week and not even at the shop. I'm going to try to get the files up to Dave and see if he can have a look at them, but without any equipment to mock or measure off of we're pretty much in the dark.

Some thoughts:

D-ring groove- Is there a particular o-ring designed to fit into that groove? If so, we should get the number and pitch diameter of it so that I can tell Dave, and he can dimension the groove to fit a stock size ring. If no particular ring is selected, we can choose one based on availability, and limiting dimensions.

Threaded holes/ interference with D-ring groove- We usually tap holes on a manual milling machine or drill press with a clutch type tapping attachment. Tapping a blind hole is usually no problem.

Outside profile- Can we waterjet this? Apparently a place down the road from us, called Laserman cuts, is super cheap. Especially cheap if you send IGES files.

Coolant port again- We may revise this, and likely use a .5 ballnose endmill.

Prototype- I'll most likely have the first one made out of 1020 mild steel, and send it out to one of you guys for test fitting and modifications before fucking up expensive stuff.

Anyways, I'm just a manual machinist, and sometimes run a particular CNC lathe. It sucks that I've no experience with MC or Solidworks (which Dave has as well) or I'd do this stuff myself. Please have patience

[LX-incredible]

I noticed the overlap of the one threaded hole with the D-ring groove before, and I didn't think it would be an issue. However after looking at it again, it's a little too close for comfort. So I think it's best to stop short of that groove, and the model has been adjusted as such.

The models were done in Solidworks. I know of Inventor but have never used it. In Solidworks the coolant port is done with something called a "loft cut". You sketch the end shapes on the front and back planes and it extrudes a cut from one to the other. The end shapes don't have to be the same either, so you can transition from one shape to another, like if you wanted to go from a round hole to a square hole. Very cool stuff.

To make the coolant port in real life you can just setup the plate on an angle and cut down through it. This is why I put radiuses on the inside of the port.


I ended up not going to the shop yesterday but I got some numbers anyway.

Adapter Plate:
$530 Qty = 1
$1350 Qty = 5

Distributor Key:
$240 Qty = 1
$510 Qty = 5

So for one set of parts the total is $770. For 5 sets of parts the total is $1860, which works out to $372 per set. Obviously 5 sets would be the way to go if possible. I know this may sound expensive to some but machine work is expensive. I don't know what my friends profit margin is on this but I'm certain it isn't that much. And just so everyone knows, I'm making exactly $0 on this. I just think it's a cool project and I want to see it succeed. Also, if this ends up happening I will make sure we end up with good parts and not paperweights. I would probably print out some 1:1 scale drawings to use as templates and go test fit them at the junkyard.


So that's where we stand. One last note, if there are any other adjustments to make, or if there's anything else that would be cool to include on the adapter plate, now would be the time to get it in.

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Damn $770? There would be a problem getting 5 on here to commit with a tested product, yet alone the first run... $372 seems pretty reasonable though. I would probably get two at that price, but they would need to be guaranteed to work. $770 though... for that you could get a pretty decent b swap, but where'd be the fun? Thanks again for your effort in this Chris.

AAUGH!.....

Same old story here, I'm working 12's this week and not even at the shop. I'm going to try to get the files up to Dave and see if he can have a look at them, but without any equipment to mock or measure off of we're pretty much in the dark.

Some thoughts:

D-ring groove- Is there a particular o-ring designed to fit into that groove? If so, we should get the number and pitch diameter of it so that I can tell Dave, and he can dimension the groove to fit a stock size ring. If no particular ring is selected, we can choose one based on availability, and limiting dimensions.

Threaded holes/ interference with D-ring groove- We usually tap holes on a manual milling machine or drill press with a clutch type tapping attachment. Tapping a blind hole is usually no problem.

Outside profile- Can we waterjet this? Apparently a place down the road from us, called Laserman cuts, is super cheap. Especially cheap if you send IGES files.

Coolant port again- We may revise this, and likely use a .5 ballnose endmill.

Prototype- I'll most likely have the first one made out of 1020 mild steel, and send it out to one of you guys for test fitting and modifications before fucking up expensive stuff.

Anyways, I'm just a manual machinist, and sometimes run a particular CNC lathe. It sucks that I've no experience with MC or Solidworks (which Dave has as well) or I'd do this stuff myself. Please have patience
I was planning to use regular viton or whatever o-rings for the D-ring (specs are listed earlier in this thread). The o-ring slot for the key hole should be the width as the D-ring (specs also listed).
It would be nice if it can be blind tapped, that's the only way I see that would eliminate any issues with the coolant port. There is no real way to get the distributor to mount in its designed position without putting that hole there.
I'm unfamiliar with waterjetting. I assume it's just a rougher cut? No problem with that on my end.
Couldn't care what the prototype is made of or what it looks like, whatever's cheaper. Thanks Mike.

[ZackieDarko]

you should have something engraved on there to signify that these are the inital run pieces or say PROTOTYPE on it...make it look all fancy

[cygnus x-1]

For the D-ring I was using the stock thermostat housing seal as a reference. It's normally stocked at Autozone (Felpro 35507, $1.99) and probably most other parts stores as well. What I should probably do is actually measure all the dimensions in the seal groove on an actual thermostat housing and copy those. I have a spare housing sitting here but it has an old seal still in it and I didn't bother to remove it. The model should be pretty close but I could check it further.

The O-ring groove I just copied. It would be nice to find an off the shelf part to use. Maybe even something that's already used somewhere else on the car.

Blind tapping holes is no big deal. This particular one will likely have to be done with a bottoming tap to get enough threads, but that's not a problem.

Waterjetting is not a bad idea. I imagine the through holes could also be cut as well. That just leaves the seal grooves, countersinks, and coolant port.

I figured the $770 cost for one would be too high. Unfortunately the first one is always the most expensive because of the programming time required. I can ask about getting the cost down, like maybe getting only 3 made for the 5x price. He might be willing to do that. There may also be some value in refining the design to reduce machining cost; like making the coolant port simpler.

So GHMC, when you say revise the coolant port, what are you thinking?

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[EricW]

I could buy two depending on the price, if it will help reduce the overall cost.

[bodyarmour]

hey guys great to see this project comming along...just a question, are you planning on releasing the design files for this...i live in australia and am planning on the obd1 conversion over the next 6 months..ill be right with making a bracket for the dissy but am definately interested in milling up a cam key to save some time...the dollar has gone to shit lately so the expense of shipping an item is through the roof which sucks...i know the focus is on the main plate but has the cam key design been tested?

[EricW]

hey guys great to see this project comming along...just a question, are you planning on releasing the design files for this...i live in australia and am planning on the obd1 conversion over the next 6 months..ill be right with making a bracket for the dissy but am definately interested in milling up a cam key to save some time...the dollar has gone to shit lately so the expense of shipping an item is through the roof which sucks...i know the focus is on the main plate but has the cam key design been tested?

Nothing has been produced yet, so it hasn't been tested.

[LX-incredible]

For the D-ring I was using the stock thermostat housing seal as a reference. It's normally stocked at Autozone (Felpro 35507, $1.99) and probably most other parts stores as well. What I should probably do is actually measure all the dimensions in the seal groove on an actual thermostat housing and copy those. I have a spare housing sitting here but it has an old seal still in it and I didn't bother to remove it. The model should be pretty close but I could check it further.

The O-ring groove I just copied. It would be nice to find an off the shelf part to use. Maybe even something that's already used somewhere else on the car.

Blind tapping holes is no big deal. This particular one will likely have to be done with a bottoming tap to get enough threads, but that's not a problem.

Waterjetting is not a bad idea. I imagine the through holes could also be cut as well. That just leaves the seal grooves, countersinks, and coolant port.

I figured the $770 cost for one would be too high. Unfortunately the first one is always the most expensive because of the programming time required. I can ask about getting the cost down, like maybe getting only 3 made for the 5x price. He might be willing to do that. There may also be some value in refining the design to reduce machining cost; like making the coolant port simpler.

So GHMC, when you say revise the coolant port, what are you thinking?

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I have all the o-rings and bolts for 50 plates. My plan was to try and sell each one as a kit with everything that's required. Again, not looking to make anything on this, just didn't feel like paying $5 for an o-ring that I could get in a 50 pack for 10 cents.
I'm all for making things simpler, let's see what you have in mind.

[LX-incredible]

hey guys great to see this project comming along...just a question, are you planning on releasing the design files for this...i live in australia and am planning on the obd1 conversion over the next 6 months..ill be right with making a bracket for the dissy but am definately interested in milling up a cam key to save some time...the dollar has gone to shit lately so the expense of shipping an item is through the roof which sucks...i know the focus is on the main plate but has the cam key design been tested?

Nothing's been tested yet. The key alone would be worthless without the plate. The distributor would need to mount at a different angle and still be modified to clear the thermostat housing. It would also be too damn long unless you were planning on spacing it 3/4" as well.

[gfrg88]

damn.. if you guys start making those kits, it will really push me back into a 3rd gen!! this would be so awesome!!

[Tdurr]

omg so close.... If i get this new job then I will deff be able to get one for testing for under 200 if yall were able to do that. Im so excited that you guys put this much work into this!!

[lostforawhile]

wgatever happened to crucial anyway? :sad2:

[LX-incredible]

Who knows... I remember him saying he got a second DUI or something.

[1ajs]

I noticed the overlap of the one threaded hole with the D-ring groove before, and I didn't think it would be an issue. However after looking at it again, it's a little too close for comfort. So I think it's best to stop short of that groove, and the model has been adjusted as such.

The models were done in Solidworks. I know of Inventor but have never used it. In Solidworks the coolant port is done with something called a "loft cut". You sketch the end shapes on the front and back planes and it extrudes a cut from one to the other. The end shapes don't have to be the same either, so you can transition from one shape to another, like if you wanted to go from a round hole to a square hole. Very cool stuff.

To make the coolant port in real life you can just setup the plate on an angle and cut down through it. This is why I put radiuses on the inside of the port.


I ended up not going to the shop yesterday but I got some numbers anyway.

Adapter Plate:
$530 Qty = 1
$1350 Qty = 5

Distributor Key:
$240 Qty = 1
$510 Qty = 5

So for one set of parts the total is $770. For 5 sets of parts the total is $1860, which works out to $372 per set. Obviously 5 sets would be the way to go if possible. I know this may sound expensive to some but machine work is expensive. I don't know what my friends profit margin is on this but I'm certain it isn't that much. And just so everyone knows, I'm making exactly $0 on this. I just think it's a cool project and I want to see it succeed. Also, if this ends up happening I will make sure we end up with good parts and not paperweights. I would probably print out some 1:1 scale drawings to use as templates and go test fit them at the junkyard.


So that's where we stand. One last note, if there are any other adjustments to make, or if there's anything else that would be cool to include on the adapter plate, now would be the time to get it in.

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why not make a plug tht goes in overtop of the bolt?

[Ichiban]

Still working 12's over at Finning/Caterpillar. This weekend doesn't look good either, I think I'm allergic to portable line boring.

[cygnus x-1]

why not make a plug tht goes in overtop of the bolt?

Because it's something extra to have to do. It's easier to just not drill and tap all the way through.

I talked to the machinist today about this to see what we could work out. He said to just make all drill/tap holes the same (all blind like the one over the port groove), so I did that. We also talked about the coolant port, and he confirmed that it definitely made the job much harder. He suggested that there might be enough overlap between the holes to just mill straight down from both sides. So I changed the model and it looks like it will work. It doesn't look as nice as the angled port but the effective cross sectional area is still about the same as the outlet ports on the thermostat housing. So it won't be a flow restriction.

We'll see how much this reduces the quote.


http://bluegreenlabs.com/Prelude/OBD1Adapter/dizzyadapter2.jpg

http://bluegreenlabs.com/Prelude/OBD1Adapter/dizzyadapter2a.jpg


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[lostforawhile]

Who knows... I remember him saying he got a second DUI or something.haha he might be in jail getting his exaust port reamed. j/p:lol:

[LX-incredible]

Looks good to me.

[EricW]

Any updates on this?

[cygnus x-1]

I sent the revised model to the machinist and he hasn't gotten back to me yet. I think I need to go rattle his cage.:stick:

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[cygnus x-1]

Sorry for the slowness guys. My machinist buddy's wife has been in the hospital for the last week and the prognosis is not looking good. We'll get this done eventually though so hang in there.

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[EricW]

Thanks for the update, that's to bad about his wife.

[stat1K]

sorry to hear that as well thanks for your help in this.

[cygnus x-1]

My friends wife is home from the hospital and is doing better, so we'll be getting back to this soon. I mentioned it to him today and he said he should be able to look at the revised version this weekend after clearing some of the backlog.

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[rfiks]

was this a successful project? i kinda flipped through it just check-out the measurements an q and a.

[EricW]

Good to hear his wife is doing better. Thanks for the update!

[cygnus x-1]

was this a successful project? i kinda flipped through it just check-out the measurements an q and a.

As of yet, no. It's still in progress. It seems to be cursed with all kinds of delays. But as always the key is persistence. We'll get there.

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[stat1K]

i like the attitude cygnus. me and lx-incredible were working on the car this should be tested in this weekend. and he informed me that the motor is in and he's just putting other stuff back together now. so hopefully soon the testing can commense!

[LX-incredible]

i like the attitude cygnus. me and lx-incredible were working on the car this should be tested in this weekend. and he informed me that the motor is in and he's just putting other stuff back together now. so hopefully soon the testing can commense!

I still need to get a plate and key made for the testing. I took the harness apart and ran the extra wires and I have everything else needed for the swap. Most likely going to put the stock dizzy on, as she needs to be regristered by the 11th. Pretty much all that's left after that is to install the manual rack and put the suspension together.

[cygnus x-1]

Question for LX-I:
If I send you a scale drawing of both sides of the adapter, could you cut them out as templates and check to see if everything fits?

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[stat1K]

I still need to get a plate and key made for the testing. I took the harness apart and ran the extra wires and I have everything else needed for the swap. Most likely going to put the stock dizzy on, as she needs to be regristered by the 11th. Pretty much all that's left after that is to install the manual rack and put the suspension together.

obviously we need the plate dummy!

i don't think it should be too hard for him to do that cygnus as he made a mock up before.

[LX-incredible]

Question for LX-I:
If I send you a scale drawing of both sides of the adapter, could you cut them out as templates and check to see if everything fits?

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Sounds like a plan.

[cygnus x-1]

Alright, here are two PDFs of the front and back of the adapter plate. These are to scale so if you print them at 100% scaling they should be accurate. To verify, the through hole for the distributor should measure 1.263".

http://bluegreenlabs.com/Prelude/OBD1Adapter/DizzyAdapter2front.PDF
http://bluegreenlabs.com/Prelude/OBD1Adapter/DizzyAdapter2back.PDF

The only thing I'm really concerned about are the o-ring grooves. But even at that I think they're probably fine.

I'll try to get this quoted this weekend. Minor adjustments to any dimensions won't change the quote so don't worry about that.

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[cygnus x-1]

i don't think it should be too hard for him to do that cygnus as he made a mock up before.


I really didn't think it would be a problem. Just being polite I suppose. :)


So I'm curious, how many people are seriously interested in one of these at the moment? Not asking for committals, just wondering what the actual interest is.

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[stat1K]

well i know ericw was interested... as far beyond that i would say only lx-incredible would be the other reliable source.... that's been proven time and again.

[Tdurr]

Im intrested, but i would need a price before i could say I am getting one.

[ZackieDarko]

i dont even have an A series anymore and i would buy a kit..count me in :)

[gfrg88]

i dont even have an A series anymore and i would buy a kit..count me in :)

x2... this would more likely get me into a 3rd gen again :D

[Strugglebucket]

I think I might actually start to have time to work on my car again.

So I'd be interested.

[Vanilla Sky]

I can't afford a kit now, but I do want one in the future.

[EricW]

well i know ericw was interested... as far beyond that i would say only lx-incredible would be the other reliable source.... that's been proven time and again.

Yes, I'll buy at least one two if necessary to make them cheaper.

[2drSE-i]

im working on getting a second job so i can support my 3geez habit.

[LX-incredible]

I would buy 2, possibly more if the price was right.

[Pico]

I'd be interested also depending on price.

[LX-incredible]

Alright, here are two PDFs of the front and back of the adapter plate. These are to scale so if you print them at 100% scaling they should be accurate. To verify, the through hole for the distributor should measure 1.263".

http://bluegreenlabs.com/Prelude/OBD1Adapter/DizzyAdapter2front.PDF
http://bluegreenlabs.com/Prelude/OBD1Adapter/DizzyAdapter2back.PDF

The only thing I'm really concerned about are the o-ring grooves. But even at that I think they're probably fine.

I'll try to get this quoted this weekend. Minor adjustments to any dimensions won't change the quote so don't worry about that.

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Everything seems to line up fine.

[LX-incredible]

http://img374.imageshack.us/img374/9905/p1000492gl5.jpg
Bump to make a clean bay cleaner.

[MessyHonda]

sexy

[stat1K]

god damn i don't even recognize it...

which odyssey did you end up getting?

[LX-incredible]

The short square one. lol

PC925. It came with a metal box that I welded a bottom and bracket to. Turned out real nice, starts way stronger than the other car. They sell the automotive terminal kit for $8, so I went that route.

[stat1K]

haha i keep saying you should have bought mine but it's cool, i guess i'm gonna keep it... where did you get teh auto terminal kit? online or at batteries plus?

[LX-incredible]

Batteries Plus.

[Rendon LX-i]

That looks sexy....i cant do that thou im boosted and my charge pip goes right thew that area...but looks really good now that i look at it.

Rendon

[rfiks]

was this project a success yet?

[codyJDM]

http://img374.imageshack.us/img374/9905/p1000492gl5.jpg
Bump to make a clean bay cleaner.

I am blown away. Shit is reeeaall hot. :cheers:

[Rendon LX-i]

was this project a success yet?

Who you asking that to?

[Rendon LX-i]

was this project a success yet?

yea it is just figuring out the prices and putting the fine details from what i read.. should be out anytime soon

[Tdurr]

my batt is in my trunk, lol thats a crazy spot to have it tho. i dono if i would trust my batt that close to the ground.

[LX-incredible]

my batt is in my trunk, lol thats a crazy spot to have it tho. i dono if i would trust my batt that close to the ground.

Where would I put the 14" subs and amps then?

The battery is a drycell and sits in a metal box which is raised off of the subframe, I'm sure it will be fine. Let's forget about the location that box for now and concentrate on that piece of shit on the firewall and its long black tentacles.

Thanks for the compliments though.

[stat1K]

yea it is just figuring out the prices and putting the fine details from what i read.. should be out anytime soon

then you read wrong... he still needs a working copy to test with, as the one he received before is a hunk of metal that's worthless... and it's not going to be "out" anytime soon because that would require money...

:-\

angus you need to bring mb2 by my house and park it in my spot for old times sake so i can hug it and love it forever and ever :)

lolz...

looks so sick though.

[Rendon LX-i]

well my bad mr. what to be a dick. If i did read wrong then b it just say it like that dont be a bitch bout it..

[stat1K]

there was no bitching, just telling it like it is... you want to buy enough copies to make it available to more than just a few people? throw down then and help out...

[Rendon LX-i]

just leave it as it is....Since your anal bout it and so up tight you buy enough copies for everyone...I Missunderstood Then what a big deal...IM cool tought man.

[Tdurr]

Where would I put the 14" subs and amps then?

The battery is a drycell and sits in a metal box which is raised off of the subframe, I'm sure it will be fine. Let's forget about the location that box for now and concentrate on that piece of shit on the firewall and its long black tentacles.

Thanks for the compliments though.

Amps go on the back seat. Subs take up the rest of the trunk. lol ill get a pic of my set up. I want 2 12's tho.. it be a nice upgrade from 10's....
yea so if anyone can post this sucker up wit 3d specs/pics or something then im sure some can get it made.

[LX-incredible]

The car is being built for performance, not for shaking the ground with jungle beats. I don't have or plan on having any of that bullshit. A simple CD player with good speakers will do.

WE DO NOT HAVE A TESTABLE PLATE AND KEY AND I DO NOT FORESEE THIS HAPPENING IN THE NEAR FUTURE. There are plenty of pictures and specs throughout this thread. Have one made. Let's try to keep this on topic.

[stat1K]

TOPIC THIS WITH YOUR JUNGLE BEATS!!!

btt like lx-incredible said :)

i will more than likely contribute when the time comes since it will be going in my old baby. :)

[stat1K]

ttt

[EricW]

Any progress on this?