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crucial
10-17-2007, 06:07 PM
If anyone's got any blueprints or some kinda drawing with dimensions on it ill be happy to run them, i do mostly C.N.C milling but have access to a whole sheet metal and C.N.C shop.


If any one was wondering what C.N.C stands for its Computer Numerical Control.



http://img240.imageshack.us/img240/6030/p1000128qx6.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/1006/p1000125nq6.jpg (http://imageshack.us)


Anyway, I thought you guys might be at least slightly interested in something I've been working on over the last couple days.
http://bluegreenlabs.com/Prelude/OBD1Adapter/AdapterPlates.jpg
:D

Four distributor keys are nearly done as well, just need to add the groove for the snap ring. So I know the first two are going to LX-Incredible and then we'll have to figure out who is next in line. Let me contact LX-I and see how he wants to work this, as I think he has the seals and maybe some bolts that are supposed to go with this also. So stay tuned.
And I'll be getting more material here shortly for another batch so don't worry about missing out.

C|


I want to add some o-ring info to this thread.

Standard AS568-# sizes:
224 -plate and thermostat housing d-ring
221 -plate o-ring
120 -can be used as a replacement for metric size that goes on the distributor itself

Viton recommended for o-ring material.

labeledsk8r
10-17-2007, 07:16 PM
just a question can you do do aluminum parts? just wondering i dont have any dementions yet but just wondering

2ndGenGuy
10-17-2007, 07:38 PM
Fuck, I never knew what CNC stood for. I never questioned it for some reason. That's awesome. :D

Vanilla Sky
10-17-2007, 08:28 PM
Are you willing to make one-off runs?

BITESIZE
10-17-2007, 08:30 PM
:rockon::bow:Do I hear front strut bars?

Vanilla Sky
10-17-2007, 08:43 PM
Reproduction JDM foglight brackets.

ZackieDarko
10-17-2007, 09:20 PM
f strut bars

f fog light brackets


b-series mounts suckas! :-p

MessyHonda
10-18-2007, 12:07 AM
f strut bars

f fog light brackets


b-series mounts suckas! :-p



haha...yup just what i was thinking.

crucial
10-18-2007, 04:58 PM
just a question can you do do aluminum parts? just wondering i dont have any dementions yet but just wondering

yes almost any kinda metal ( Steel, Stainless Steel, Aluminium, Cooper, Brass,Hardened steels, Titanium, etc. Also plastics and wood too.


Are you willing to make one-off runs?

U mean like a one part run right? But sure i need to know the material used and as many dimensions as possible.

labeledsk8r
10-18-2007, 05:02 PM
yes almost any kinda metal

well if i can get a damn job so i have funding i might draw up some blue prints for some 1 off parts if thats cool?

crucial
10-18-2007, 05:14 PM
well if the part is under 3 inches then i can probably find some in our scrap bins

labeledsk8r
10-18-2007, 05:19 PM
to tell the truth without an a20 in my hands i cant get all the sizes... lol waiting on funds so i can get some stock parts to design off of, i will have to get back to you on a few things

crucial
10-18-2007, 05:40 PM
one of my own designs, its to water cool a computer.

these two are from the program i use to write the NC. file for the C.N.C to read.

Inside lid
http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/509/bottomofwaterblockzw8.png (http://imageshack.us)

Top of lid
http://img135.imageshack.us/img135/8513/lidtowaterblockse0.png (http://imageshack.us)

Jets
http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/6685/jetsrf3.png (http://imageshack.us)

And the finished product....
http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/7041/43630509se6.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/7163/pic2fn9.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

ZackieDarko
10-18-2007, 07:36 PM
i vote b-series tranny adapter plates

crucial
10-18-2007, 07:49 PM
just need dimensions.

ZackieDarko
10-18-2007, 09:03 PM
i have an A20A2 siting at my dads i should go over there and make a cardboard template

can anybody make a template of a b-trany?

sb_hbackDX
10-18-2007, 10:00 PM
Why not A to B-series mounts? If any of the guys that run b-series engines could create a replica or provide some dimensions of there mounts...:wave: Would be nice :D



CNC is sooo badass I got to play with a machine awhile back, a buddy of mine was in Industrial Design and we were making plastic cell phones with extreme detail!

2drSE-i
10-19-2007, 07:01 AM
Why not A to B-series mounts? If any of the guys that run b-series engines could create a replica or provide some dimensions of there mounts...:wave: Would be nice :D
!


we've been down that route, no1 with the mounts is willing to share, which i can totally understand. they paid good money for theirs, why should they.

I think what crucial is saying guys, is that he cant/doesnt want to do any r&d, and reverse engineering (sending him parts and asking him to replicate them) is hard as hell.

crucial
10-19-2007, 11:27 AM
we've been down that route, no1 with the mounts is willing to share, which i can totally understand. they paid good money for theirs, why should they.

I think what crucial is saying guys, is that he cant/doesn't want to do any r&d, and reverse engineering (sending him parts and asking him to replicate them) is hard as hell.

Actually replicating parts is fairly easy. We have a scanner a work the takes a 3d scan and outputs the dimensions. On the R&D, i would like to get something going that i can use on my car as well. But if there are several people that want something made like the mounts, then it needs to be more of a team effort then just an individual. I can't imagine that they would be to difficult to make. Course i might be thinking of the wrong thing but i'm thinking i would lazer like a 3\8's sheet of steel and bend it to shape on a break press. ( i think one of our presses does like 150 tons or up to 3\4 SS)

Anyways, should probably take a poll on what to make first.



If anyone wants to see a few shots of the shop let me know.

sb_hbackDX
10-20-2007, 06:48 PM
How about those adapter plates for the ODB-1 dizzy conversion? I remember that being a CNC topic awhile back...Tell me if I'm wrong but if a thin adapter plate is made you don't have to hack up the newer dizzy to get it to fit, right? Anyone remember this ? Could make that conversion simpler well besides the tons of rewiring...

89T
10-21-2007, 08:14 AM
what would you charge for a dozen a20 exhaust flange's and a dozen t3 turbo flanges.

bobafett
10-21-2007, 09:11 AM
hahah that waterblock is pretty radical!

I sure wouldn't mind a 'top hat extension' for the rear struts so that we can EK civic struts and not be totally slammed. :) Still trying to figure out the best way to make them though. :)

crucial
10-23-2007, 04:33 PM
what would you charge for a dozen a20 exhaust flange's and a dozen t3 turbo flanges.

Need dimensions and material used to know the price. If u know them i can make one of each and let you know.

Just to let every one know most machine shops charge $150. per hour plus material.
Ill charge for the material and like $10. an hour. Most programs take 5-10 minutes to wright and about the same time to run them unless its a huge part then will work something out. I have free access to the shops and get discounts on material. And if the part is small enough can probably get the stock for free.

crucial
10-23-2007, 04:38 PM
If anyone needs a intake manifold flange ill be making one and can make a few extra.

Gonna make a intake for this carb
http://img206.imageshack.us/img206/5294/carbcd2.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
Got it for $25.00

sb_hbackDX
10-24-2007, 04:31 PM
Ah bike carbies! What size MM bore are they? I have some 39mm Mikuni's...So your making a intake flange for them? I made my setup using the old EFI intake manifold...it was a bitch. Good luck tuning those things...mine were a blast haha :Owned: Do you have any pictures of the flange your making? I may decide to get one from ya so I can re-weld everything correctly this time.


PS get yourself a wideband O2 sensor...

LX-incredible
10-24-2007, 05:10 PM
I'm very interested. Let me get back to you when I get my model back from this tool...

crucial
10-24-2007, 05:32 PM
Ah bike carbies! What size MM bore are they? I have some 39mm Mikuni's...So your making a intake flange for them? I made my setup using the old EFI intake manifold...it was a bitch. Good luck tuning those things...mine were a blast haha :Owned: Do you have any pictures of the flange your making? I may decide to get one from ya so I can re-weld everything correctly this time.


PS get yourself a wideband O2 sensor...

Forgot the bore size. Looks like the guy i ordered them from just shipped the today. I'm making alluminum flanges that will match up to the carbs and the
head then weld in some aluminum piping, probably around the same size as the bore of the carbs. After the intake is assembled ill probably bead blast it ( makes it looks forged, Kinda).And maybe oxidize it red or black or something.

sb_hbackDX
10-24-2007, 05:47 PM
Ah I see, your practically mounting them directly to the head...how long will your runners be, if any? My set-up has long runners, about 7-8'' long from carb to head...Sounds like a nice project, how much will all this cost?

crucial
10-25-2007, 04:15 PM
Ah I see, your practically mounting them directly to the head...how long will your runners be, if any? My set-up has long runners, about 7-8'' long from carb to head...Sounds like a nice project, how much will all this cost?

Haven't decided how long yet, still waiting on the carbs to get here. But the manifold wont cost me anything to make( its all coming out of our scape bins). So just the price of the carbs them selfs. Should have the manifold done within a week after i get the carb in. Should be fun!

crucial
10-26-2007, 04:12 PM
I'm very interested. Let me get back to you when I get my model back from this tool...

Any news yet?

LX-incredible
10-31-2007, 09:34 PM
I don't really know the correct way of going about this, but the measurements have been triple-checked. Please forgive the quality, the scanner took a dump...

Front:
http://img258.imageshack.us/img258/1715/apfrontsideuu6.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Rear:
http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/964/aprearsidegd9.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Cross-section:
http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/8434/apcrosssectiontj3.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
The 0.62" at top left is actually 0.35", 1.42" below it should be 1.15". 1.1" should be 1.12". 1.21" is incorrect.

http://img252.imageshack.us/img252/9271/apmeasurmentsfczc3.jpg

LX-incredible
10-31-2007, 09:38 PM
Fixed.

AccordB20A
10-31-2007, 10:15 PM
use the microsoft image resizer powertoy. its ftw

LX-incredible
11-01-2007, 02:03 PM
I'm thinking that it would be best to seal the water passage with a D-ring. The slot is 0.1" in depth, so H. should be drilled to a depth of 0.5" or so, instead of all the way through.

Here are the measurements:
http://img104.imageshack.us/img104/6570/18836478tt4.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

I'd like to do the same around the cam hole, but first need to find a suitable o-ring.

crucial
11-01-2007, 05:35 PM
I have to say good job on the dimensions.
Just need a few more, probably some of the hard ones to get.

I need the lengths of the straight lines and radiuses of the arcs of the outer perimeter. Also it would help to get the total size of the part..




http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/4182/fronteditxo4.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

crucial
11-01-2007, 05:43 PM
oh yeah how thick is it?

Sabz5150
11-01-2007, 06:01 PM
Got a CNC lathe at your disposal perchance? My shop's insanely tied up with work and I'd love to see some custom SS valves. I should be able to supply full dimensions, too.

Yeah, I know... SS has shot up through the friggin roof recently.

crucial
11-01-2007, 06:17 PM
Got a CNC lathe at your disposal perchance? My shop's insanely tied up with work and I'd love to see some custom SS valves. I should be able to supply full dimensions, too.

Yeah, I know... SS has shot up through the friggin roof recently.

Got access to two one at mine and one at my girlfriends dads shop.

crucial
11-01-2007, 06:19 PM
so this is what it looks like so far.

http://img211.imageshack.us/img211/6284/dizzyadaptorxo8.png (http://imageshack.us)

Don't worry the center pieces wont be there.

2drSE-i
11-01-2007, 06:48 PM
lookin good man, i may be interested in one of those too so dont throw away the specs when your done with him haha :-)

LX-incredible
11-01-2007, 11:41 PM
Looking good!

It is 7" wide x 6.35" high and 0.75" thick. I got what I could for the straight lines, but I don't think it's in my abilities to get the radiuses of the arcs... Really the shape doesn't matter all that much. All we really need to worry about is keeping the right angle in the lower left corner and that indentation below C.

A line through C. and D. hits the water pipe dead-center. The water pipe is 0.72" in diameter. An arc with a radius of 0.45", centered on this line should do nicely.

http://img211.imageshack.us/img211/5955/83165703le1.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

crucial
11-02-2007, 11:11 AM
ok here is what i got. the only thing u cant see in the images is the angel for the water port( can kinda make it out in the wireframe)
http://img75.imageshack.us/img75/7571/wireframenb6.png (http://imageshack.us)

http://img75.imageshack.us/img75/3933/soildyo2.png (http://imageshack.us)

Did you want O'ring groves cut in the this too. Let me know. other wise i think were almost ready to run it. Also if you wanna see the actual code i can post it too,

LX-incredible
11-02-2007, 11:24 AM
Wow, nice work! I think the o-ring grooves would be a good idea. I'm going to find one to fit around the dizzy hole and get back to you with the measurements. Do you have what you need for the D-ring?

crucial
11-02-2007, 11:40 AM
Wow, nice work! I think the o-ring grooves would be a good idea. I'm going to find one to fit around the dizzy hole and get back to you with the measurements. Do you have what you need for the D-ring?

did you want the grove .1000 deep? And on both sides?

Oh yeah MSC sells like every o'ring you can think of.
http://www1.mscdirect.com/cgi/nnsrhm?KNC-T7L391316886

ZackieDarko
11-02-2007, 12:33 PM
wait you are making the adpater plate needed to run a 4g dist for an OBD-1 swap? is that what im gathering from this?

MessyHonda
11-02-2007, 01:08 PM
wait you are making the adpater plate needed to run a 4g dist for an OBD-1 swap? is that what im gathering from this?



where have you been Zack?:wave:

LX-incredible
11-02-2007, 01:23 PM
0.1" deep on the back side only. A 1 7/16" ID x 1 11/16" OD x 1/8" thick o-ring will do the trick. Let's do the same around the dizzy hole as the water jacket, 0.09" lip and 0.15" groove.

Any suggestions on o-ring material?

http://www1.mscdirect.com/CGI/N2DRVSH?PACACHE=000000034281040

crucial
11-02-2007, 02:48 PM
0.1" deep on the back side only. A 1 7/16" ID x 1 11/16" OD x 1/8" thick o-ring will do the trick. Let's do the same around the dizzy hole as the water jacket, 0.09" lip and 0.15" groove.

Any suggestions on o-ring material?

http://www1.mscdirect.com/CGI/N2DRVSH?PACACHE=000000034281040

"A 1 7/16" ID x 1 11/16" OD x 1/8" thick"
Is this for the dizzy hole? If so do you want it on the top and bottom? Right now the program has the d'ring and the o'ring on the bottom.

heres what the bottom looks like with out the bolt holes
http://img509.imageshack.us/img509/8417/bottombb6.png (http://imageshack.us)

crucial
11-02-2007, 03:44 PM
About the o'rings i found this info on Viton

"Viton® fluoroelastomer is the most specified fluoroelastomer, well known for its excellent (400°F/200°C) heat resistance. Viton® offers excellent resistance to aggressive fuels and chemicals and has worldwide ISO 9000 and ISO/TS 16949 registration."

MSC sells a pack of 50 for $30.16

Kinda pricey when you look and the neoprene, silicone, epdm and buna-n.
Main thing to look for is heat and chemical resistance.

ZackieDarko
11-02-2007, 05:36 PM
where have you been Zack?:wave:



lolz under the d-series.org rock i guess


and for the o-ring choice


you pay for what you get...personally i would rather fork over a few extra pennies for high quality stuff that i know will NEVER even give me a chance of leting me down

LX-incredible
11-02-2007, 07:44 PM
"A 1 7/16" ID x 1 11/16" OD x 1/8" thick"
Is this for the dizzy hole? If so do you want it on the top and bottom? Right now the program has the d'ring and the o'ring on the bottom.

heres what the bottom looks like with out the bolt holes
http://img509.imageshack.us/img509/8417/bottombb6.png (http://imageshack.us)

Just on the bottom. What you have looks good.

crucial
11-02-2007, 08:54 PM
So is there anything else that needs attention?
If not ill run it on Monday.
Well let me know.

LX-incredible
11-02-2007, 10:22 PM
Can't think of anything else except the cam key. I'll get dimensions for that after the plate is mounted so we can get the correct offset. I ordered the viton o-rings. After we get everything sorted out, I can send you the bolts and required o-rings. I might also put some kits together for others.

2drSE-i
11-03-2007, 08:24 AM
Can't think of anything else except the cam key. I'll get dimensions for that after the plate is mounted so we can get the correct offset. I ordered the viton o-rings. After we get everything sorted out, I can send you the bolts and required o-rings. I might also put some kits together for others.


yay :-)


you would need rings on the other side of the plate....it wouldnt need to seal would it?

edit: you WOULDN'T need rings on the other side of the plate....it wouldn't need to seal would it?

ZackieDarko
11-03-2007, 09:25 AM
this is awesome

LX-incredible
11-03-2007, 09:59 AM
yay :-)


you would need rings on the other side of the plate....it wouldnt need to seal would it?

edit: you WOULDN'T need rings on the other side of the plate....it wouldn't need to seal would it?

No, only on the back side. The thermostat housing already has a groove for a D-ring to seal the front. The dizzy has an o-ring that seals against it's hole, just like stock.

crucial
11-03-2007, 11:03 AM
0.1" deep on the back side only. A 1 7/16" ID x 1 11/16" OD x 1/8" thick o-ring will do the trick. Let's do the same around the dizzy hole as the water jacket, 0.09" lip and 0.15" groove.

Any suggestions on o-ring material?

http://www1.mscdirect.com/CGI/N2DRVSH?PACACHE=000000034281040

did you want a o'ring on the coolent port or a d'ring? A o'ring would be easier to get then the d'ring.

LX-incredible
11-03-2007, 12:00 PM
I want it to fit a stock D-ring. The mounting surface on the head won't allow for anything else. I suppose one could find the correct size o-ring and bend it to fit in the slot...

crucial
11-03-2007, 04:02 PM
K, programs ready to run. Plan to run it one Monday, will take some pics too.

1ajs
11-03-2007, 08:38 PM
dude sweetness mastercam lucky you

you ever use inventor or autocad?

LX-incredible
11-03-2007, 09:44 PM
K, programs ready to run. Plan to run it one Monday, will take some pics too.

Sweet, thanks man!

stat1K
11-04-2007, 09:12 AM
damn angus you're serious about this ish! just kidding man this is gonna be sweet.

LX-incredible
11-04-2007, 10:28 AM
Yes it is.

stat1K
11-04-2007, 10:51 AM
you'll have to show me when you get it you know.

LX-incredible
11-04-2007, 10:58 AM
Of course.
All that would be left is the cam key. I'm going to try and find a 4g at the yard monday with the dizzy attached, see how it lines up at TDC, and find out what offset is needed when I get the plate. Should be easy, provided they have one there...

A20A1
11-04-2007, 12:23 PM
Yay, good to see the R&D forum getting some solid use

crucial
11-04-2007, 09:57 PM
So i talked to my girlfriends dad today and he said he would ship the part(s) for me. So that saves on the shipping costs. He said he would use fed x next day cause thats all he ever uses.

So after were done with this project I hope someone else has been inspired to wanna make something, I'm always up for a good challenge..

2drSE-i
11-05-2007, 09:40 AM
do you have any interest in making strut bars? because if so i may start getting some measurements.

ZackieDarko
11-05-2007, 02:27 PM
do you have any interest in making strut bars? because if so i may start getting some measurements.

he has access to a machine that can do 3D scans of an object


exact replica DC bars anybody? ;)

stat1K
11-05-2007, 04:15 PM
nice! me and lx-incredible went to the yard today and he took a look at a 4g distributor so he should have that shit figured out. so obd1 swaps should be pretty easy soon.

lostforawhile
11-05-2007, 05:03 PM
i was thinking of making the trim around the door handle out of aluminum i can supply the plate thick enough. would that be scannable? talking about the inside part, the plastic one that looks like crap. with all the interior work on this car that would look awesome. would you need one edge squared in the bridgeport first?

guaynabo89
11-05-2007, 05:22 PM
so where the pics of the finished product? :D

LX-incredible
11-05-2007, 05:35 PM
nice! me and lx-incredible went to the yard today and he took a look at a 4g distributor so he should have that shit figured out. so obd1 swaps should be pretty easy soon.
Yup, picked up a PR4 as well. Thanks again buddy!

crucial
11-05-2007, 06:01 PM
No part today. Didn't have any open machines to run it on, the job im working on should be done tomorrow. So hopefully ill have something for you to look at. Sorry about that.

guaynabo89
11-05-2007, 06:03 PM
lol


yeah definately get those pics up. Its real nice of you to offer this service.

2drSE-i
11-05-2007, 07:55 PM
:werd: this is an awesome opportunity for us, and it would be great for you to make some money while your at it.

LX-incredible
11-06-2007, 01:08 AM
No part today. Didn't have any open machines to run it on, the job im working on should be done tomorrow. So hopefully ill have something for you to look at. Sorry about that.
No problem. Looking forward to it!

crucial
11-06-2007, 07:43 PM
Okay I ran the first op today (3 operations) and ran into a problem. We didn't have any stock wide nor thick enough, but ran the first op to make sure ever thing was gonna work right and give u some eye candy.

When i was running the part i though that it might be better to make two separate parts. One for the dizzy and one for the coolant. This would cut the cost down on material.

Give me a few to take some shots of what i ran today(girlfriend wont tell me were the camera is).

LX-incredible
11-06-2007, 07:54 PM
That's going to be nearly impossible. Let's see what you have though. H is above the slot for the D-ring. How much would a suitable piece of stock be?

stat1K
11-06-2007, 08:28 PM
hrmmmmmmmmmmm i just thought of something angus... if he doesn't want to ship we could totally do a vegas run and pick it up on the way by.... just sayins all??

LX-incredible
11-06-2007, 08:29 PM
Haha, let's do it!

crucial
11-06-2007, 08:30 PM
okay heres some pics.
http://img337.imageshack.us/img337/7421/closeupii2.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img337.imageshack.us/img337/4341/withdooram6.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img337.imageshack.us/img337/82/withtankws9.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

crucial
11-06-2007, 08:42 PM
I'll find out tomorrow how much it would be for the material. But i could make the two piece fit together like a puzzle would, no space between them.

The stock used was 1\2" in the pics.

crucial
11-06-2007, 08:49 PM
i was thinking of making the trim around the door handle out of aluminum i can supply the plate thick enough. would that be scannable? talking about the inside part, the plastic one that looks like crap. with all the interior work on this car that would look awesome. would you need one edge squared in the bridgeport first?

Sorry missed your post, but thats a scan able part and no you wouldn't have to square an edge. Let me finish the project at hand before moving on to another.
While waiting on me you could make a design for the inside or something. Can engrave almost anything, words, drawings and so on.

crucial
11-06-2007, 08:51 PM
do you have any interest in making strut bars? because if so i may start getting some measurements.

Sure!

crucial
11-06-2007, 08:54 PM
he has access to a machine that can do 3D scans of an object


exact replica DC bars anybody? ;)

The scan we have is 12"X16". Might be to big but not hard the get the dimensions from one. You got the flange with a bolt circle pattern A couple of angels and the lengths.

crucial
11-06-2007, 08:55 PM
hrmmmmmmmmmmm i just thought of something angus... if he doesn't want to ship we could totally do a vegas run and pick it up on the way by.... just sayins all??

Vegas run, Ill ship it though. But yeah that would be sweet.

crucial
11-06-2007, 08:58 PM
dude sweetness mastercam lucky you

you ever use inventor or autocad?

Haha, i own Mastercam. Also own Autocad.

Haven't used Inventor but tried out Bobcab(sucked)

lostforawhile
11-06-2007, 09:09 PM
Sorry missed your post, but thats a scan able part and no you wouldn't have to square an edge. Let me finish the project at hand before moving on to another.
While waiting on me you could make a design for the inside or something. Can engrave almost anything, words, drawings and so on. i can send you a piece for you to look at i have extras
and i need to cut up a couple of bad nose gear forks for aluminum. i would have been doing this stuff for the site but we don't have anything cnc. it's all antique equipment. closest thing we have is an ancient index mill with a dro. we actually own brideport serial number 115 for the series one. thats since the 40's. and we own an ancient colburn vertical boring machine from 1916. i'm the only one who uses it. used to be overhead belt driven in the distant past. http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6360582766050716236 thats me with the ancient bridgeport

lostforawhile
11-06-2007, 09:19 PM
I edit the post since you were reading it.

LX-incredible
11-06-2007, 09:24 PM
Looks good so far! I'd really perfer a solid piece, but let's see what you have in mind.

crucial
11-06-2007, 09:35 PM
i can send you a piece for you to look at i have extras
and i need to cut up a couple of bad nose gear forks for aluminum. i would have been doing this stuff for the site but we don't have anything cnc. it's all antique equipment. closest thing we have is an ancient index mill with a dro. we actually own brideport serial number 115 for the series one. thats since the 40's. and we own an ancient colburn vertical boring machine from 1916. i'm the only one who uses it. used to be overhead belt driven in the distant past. http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6360582766050716236 thats me with the ancient bridgeport

We have some older manual mills and lathes but i refuse to use them. I can wright a program, set the machine up and run the parts faster on a cnc then a manual. Thats only do to the cnc being able to use higher feeds, speeds and flood the tool. but i do give respect to those who do use manuals cause it does take a cretin skill level to use them unlike a cnc where u can pretty much stick someone one front of it that can use a set of calipers.

I think cnc's have made machinist lazy though, pretty much just hit start.

My address is 4005 Moor park ct apt 281 sun valley nv 89433. but like i said ill finish the dizzy adapter plate first.

lostforawhile
11-06-2007, 09:38 PM
We have some older manual mills and lathes but i refuse to use them. I can wright a program, set the machine up and run the parts faster on a cnc then a manual. Thats only do to the cnc being able to use higher feeds, speeds and flood the tool. but i do give respect to those who do use manuals cause it does take a cretin skill level to use them unlike a cnc where u can pretty much stick someone one front of it that can use a set of calipers.

I think cnc's have made machinist lazy though, pretty much just hit start.

My address is 4005 Moor park ct apt 281 sun valley nv 89433. but like i said ill finish the dizzy adapter plate first.thats cool,i enjoy the old machines,links to the past i guess. not many people can use machines that are old enough to be in a musesum. the colburn is a trip, loud as shit. it's one of those that you have to pack grease into the head gears all day,because that hadn't invented the modern grease seal yet. throws grease at you all day. the company that built it made steam engines in the time it was made.

crucial
11-06-2007, 09:39 PM
Looks good so far! I'd really perfer a solid piece, but let's see what you have in mind.

It will take 1-2 days to get the material in. So ill play with the two piece idea.just need to know a few things. h,j,i are for the studs for the 4g dizzy right?

stat1K
11-06-2007, 09:54 PM
shit looks good so far crucial gonna be cool to see the final product. and as far as the replica dc sports bar we would really only need the mount pieces which have to be welded up no matter what. so strut bars i don't think are a good candidate for this type of work... you could always cut and reweld which is relatively easy and it's not like the dc's are that great of a design to copy so yeah. keep up the good work!

LX-incredible
11-06-2007, 10:03 PM
It will take 1-2 days to get the material in. So ill play with the two piece idea.just need to know a few things. h,j,i are for the studs for the 4g dizzy right?
Yes sir.

LX-incredible
11-06-2007, 10:11 PM
shit looks good so far crucial gonna be cool to see the final product. and as far as the replica dc sports bar we would really only need the mount pieces which have to be welded up no matter what. so strut bars i don't think are a good candidate for this type of work... you could always cut and reweld which is relatively easy and it's not like the dc's are that great of a design to copy so yeah. keep up the good work!:werd:
Any idiot with a welder could make a strut bar. I say we make some new tophats to run full bodied coilovers.

stat1K
11-06-2007, 10:14 PM
haha or custom lca's for camber issues?? or any myriad of parts that the 3g lacks in aftermarket support. i'm still goin with b-series mounts. that's probably the more important.

LX-incredible
11-06-2007, 10:31 PM
Yeah, that's another good one. The problem is we bitch about the lack of availability of parts for our cars, but when the time comes to getting something made, most chief out. I would be very willing to help with the R&D on a project like that, but really there is probably only 2 or 3 on here that would benefit... It would be kinda cool to post the blueprints of such mounts, just to spite the tools that want to be "unique".

stat1K
11-07-2007, 07:21 AM
hahahahahaha this sounds like our normal conversation angus.

LX-incredible
11-07-2007, 10:01 AM
It will take 1-2 days to get the material in. So ill play with the two piece idea.just need to know a few things. h,j,i are for the studs for the 4g dizzy right?

You don't need to actually run the two piece, I would just like to see what you're trying to do on the computer model. After we make sure the everything lines up and figure out the keys, I'm going to want one for the other car, and probably an extra one or two. Thanks.

I also ordered some o-rings for the D slot, they fit perfectly.

http://www1.mscdirect.com/CGI/NNSRIT?PMPXNO=1797519&PMT4NO=32428459

MSC #: 09267246

Material: Viton AS568A Aerospace Standard ID Number: 224 Inside Diameter: 1.750 In., 1-3/4 Thickness: 1/8 Outside Diameter: 2.000 In., 2 Package Quantity: 50

xvok
11-07-2007, 10:06 AM
man i forgot all about cad and cnc havent done that stuff in so long i need to find a machine shop up here that has open machines a nice hass 5 axis mini mill or something

crucial
11-07-2007, 05:24 PM
So heres the quote i on on material.
http://img250.imageshack.us/img250/5118/copperandbrassquote2wf0.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

The reason that the price is so high is that it has to be cut out of a plate instead of being bar stock. We would be able to get 19 pieces out of a 12' length. So it would be about $16.00 per part for the material. This company does not charge shipping so the price you see is the price for it right now.

The price for aluminum is high atm so thats another factor.

LX-incredible
11-07-2007, 06:47 PM
Wow, that's high. $16 is a lot better than $58 though. We would need to find some others to make this happen. I could pick up some of the extra plates, to later sell to the stragglers, but we'll still need more people. I don't really think we'll get them until we produce a tested product. What price are we looking at for the final product, including key?

crucial
11-07-2007, 07:25 PM
There will be a little over 6"s drop from the 12'. So that would leave 6"x6-1\2" stock to work with but I need an idea of how big the key would be to know what we need. As for the first part i think i found some aluminum to use for it. But its 1-1\2" thick so its gonna take a lot of milling to get it down to size ,but no biggie.(It's left over for a diffuser from a train turbo) On Friday i'm gonna try and make the whole part out of the material i found. Will let you know how it goes. Unfortunately my girlfriends parents are going to Australia for a week on Friday for a hog ride. So for free shipping we would have to wait till they get back I think.


Were you gonna get the studs and bolt?

2drSE-i
11-07-2007, 07:45 PM
ill put some money down on this if you guys would like me to

LX-incredible
11-07-2007, 08:33 PM
There will be a little over 6"s drop from the 12'. So that would leave 6"x6-1\2" stock to work with but I need an idea of how big the key would be to know what we need. As for the first part i think i found some aluminum to use for it. But its 1-1\2" thick so its gonna take a lot of milling to get it down to size ,but no biggie.(It's left over for a diffuser from a train turbo) On Friday i'm gonna try and make the whole part out of the material i found. Will let you know how it goes. Unfortunately my girlfriends parents are going to Australia for a week on Friday for a hog ride. So for free shipping we would have to wait till they get back I think.


Were you gonna get the studs and bolt?

The key will have a total height of 1.333" and will be 0.946" in diameter. We're probably going to want that made of steel. That's good that you found a piece for the prototype. Each plate will require 2 M8 x 25, 3 M6 x 25 flange bolts, 5 M8 studs and 5 M8 nuts. It all gets pretty expensive at honda and hardware store prices... Would you happen to know where I could get them in bulk?

ZackieDarko
11-07-2007, 08:48 PM
im in for a plate!

LX-incredible
11-07-2007, 08:49 PM
ill put some money down on this if you guys would like me to Thanks, but we should try to figure out the details before taking people's money. Hopefully we will have the prototype so I can finish the measurements for the key. Then we can figure out how much a kit with all required o-rings and hardware would be. When the time comes to get the plate, your help would be much appreciated.

crucial
11-08-2007, 05:11 PM
The key will have a total height of 1.333" and will be 0.946" in diameter. We're probably going to want that made of steel. That's good that you found a piece for the prototype. Each plate will require 2 M8 x 25, 3 M6 x 25 flange bolts, 5 M8 studs and 5 M8 nuts. It all gets pretty expensive at honda and hardware store prices... Would you happen to know where I could get them in bulk?

Did you look in MSC they sell almost everything, even automotive tools.


No go on making it tomorrow, all the machines are full.
My work schedule is from Monday -Thursday 6AM- 4:30PM, but there is a weekend and swing shift so no matter the day or time i have access to the shop but there has to be an open machine. I'll make the prototype as soon as possible.


All the tapped holes on the plate are 8.0 X1.25 MM right?

LX-incredible
11-08-2007, 06:54 PM
They only had the M6 bolts, in stainless.
No rush, I've got a good deal of suspension work that needs to get done next week.
Correct, tapped holes are M8 x 1.25. Thanks.

crucial
11-08-2007, 07:09 PM
What kind of bolts do you want? Like allen head or hex?

Could check here.
http://www.boltdepot.com

crucial
11-08-2007, 07:20 PM
im in for a plate!

The more material purchased the cheaper it is.

LX-incredible
11-08-2007, 10:23 PM
What kind of bolts do you want? Like allen head or hex?

Could check here.
http://www.boltdepot.com

I was wanting to go with flange bolts to mount the plate and studs to mount the dizzy and thermostat housing, but that works out to be too damn expensive. Hex bolts with washers will do for everything.

#6089 - Metric hex bolts, Metric full thread (tap) bolts, Steel grade 8.8, 8mm x 1.25 x 25mm Box(100) $11.72 $11.72
#6090 - Metric hex bolts, Metric full thread (tap) bolts, Steel grade 8.8, 8mm x 1.25 x 30mm Box(100) $12.14 $12.14
#6063 - Metric hex bolts, Metric full thread (tap) bolts, Steel grade 8.8, 6mm x 1.0 x 25mm Box(100) $11.42 $11.42
#4527 - Metric flat washers, Steel grade 8.8, 6mm Box(100) $1.76 $1.76
#4529 - Metric flat washers, Steel grade 8.8, 8mm Box(100) $3.17 $6.34

Subtotal $43.38

Winds up being $56.49 with shipping... Not all the hardware will be used, so let's say $2.00 per plate, $5.00 including the 3 o-rings. You guys okay with that?

MessyHonda
11-09-2007, 02:51 AM
looks like you are doing all the brain power...keep it up. a kit would be cool.

crucial
11-09-2007, 07:43 AM
You know the price is still really low for a custom made cnc machined 6061 aluminum adapter plate with all the hardware.

LX-incredible
11-09-2007, 08:24 AM
looks like you are doing all the brain power...keep it up. a kit would be cool.
Anyone can take measurements, add, multiply, divide. The real skill is in making a final product from a mess of numbers and a crappy drawing.

LX-incredible
11-09-2007, 08:28 AM
You know the price is still really low for a custom made cnc machined 6061 aluminum adapter plate with all the hardware.

It is. Thanks for doing this.

Chuoiz
11-09-2007, 01:20 PM
anything that can save me the trouble of hacking the dizzy with that kind of a price is all I've been hoping for...keep up the good work guys..much appreciated..I'm down for a set or two..

2drSE-i
11-09-2007, 01:21 PM
yea i for one appreciate all the legwork you guys are doing, and crucial i appreciate all the knowhow and skill your putting into this.

jdaddy88lx-i
11-09-2007, 06:55 PM
Hey guys, newbie here. Crucial, and Lx-incredible rule. Keep up the good work. This is really great.

crucial
11-09-2007, 08:11 PM
Found some issues.
http://img139.imageshack.us/img139/5243/demensionsofcoolentportga8.png (http://imageshack.us)
The top of the coolant hole dia. is .020 small and the distance from the bottom edge to the lip of the bottom hole is out .020. .020 is about the thickness of a finger nail. And the distance from the Y edge to the lip of the coolant hole is out by 0.0885.


This is just to verify.
http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/8858/demensionsnh6.png (http://imageshack.us)
If you find any more problems let me know so i can fix them.

LX-incredible
11-09-2007, 10:06 PM
I'm retarded, I forgot the 7 on A and B.
A: X 2.1, Y 4.78
B: X 5.8, Y 4.79

Everything else checked.

LX-incredible
11-10-2007, 12:31 AM
Found some issues.
http://img139.imageshack.us/img139/5243/demensionsofcoolentportga8.png (http://imageshack.us)
The top of the coolant hole dia. is .020 small and the distance from the bottom edge to the lip of the bottom hole is out .020. .020 is about the thickness of a finger nail. And the distance from the Y edge to the lip of the coolant hole is out by 0.0885.
For the top coolant hole 0.37" should be 0.35". The distance from X to the lip of the bottom hole 1.15" is now correct. As for Y to the lip of the coolant hole being out 0.0885", that's about what I got when I remeasured. It will be fine.

Good job on catching those. I truly think we are ready to run now. Sorry for your extra trouble.

crucial
11-11-2007, 11:02 AM
Im out of town till monday so if you could post all changes that need to be made ill fix them in the program.

LX-incredible
11-11-2007, 08:43 PM
The two posts above your last contain the 3 changes that need to be made. A needs to be changed to X 2.1", Y 4.78", B to X 5.8", Y 4.79", and the distance from X to the lip of the top coolant hole needs to be changed from 0.37" to 0.35". I corrected the numbers on my first post as well. Everything else looks good.

lostforawhile
11-13-2007, 06:33 PM
hey for another really useful part,does anyone have the dimensions for the holes on the strut tops? if the plates were made up, you could eaisily make your own bars up. but that might be a better laser cut part.

crucial
11-13-2007, 06:33 PM
Still haven't been able to run it, We have 2 machines down atm too.

lostforawhile
11-13-2007, 06:44 PM
those cnc machines go down a lot don't they? we hear that a lot from our vendors at work,the old bridgeport just keeps going. lol.

crucial
11-13-2007, 07:22 PM
those cnc machines go down a lot don't they? we hear that a lot from our vendors at work,the old bridgeport just keeps going. lol.

I'll just say there high maintenance.

crucial
11-15-2007, 05:25 PM
Its a go for tomorrow! I'm gonna take a camera to work to take some pics of it as its being milled. No one will be in the machine shops so ill be able to do the whole part. Could you PM me your address so i can ship it to you.

LX-incredible
11-15-2007, 05:33 PM
Sweet, PM sent!

stat1K
11-16-2007, 09:28 AM
oh damnzorz!!!

crucial
11-16-2007, 06:13 PM
K i only ran the first op today. Had to make special jaws for the angle cut, So ill finish it tomorrow. The tap broke in the part and was the only one so im gonna go see if i can find another at some of the local stores here. Ill post a pic of the first operation.(forgot to take camera to work).
http://img520.imageshack.us/img520/1406/43630516dy8.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img77.imageshack.us/img77/1892/43630513bs5.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

stat1K
11-16-2007, 08:09 PM
looks pretty close to the mock one! lookin good man!

LX-incredible
11-16-2007, 10:06 PM
Damn, looking great!

crucial
11-17-2007, 05:14 PM
Yesterday i went every where i could think of (home depot, lowes and sears) to get some taps for today and was unsuccessful, so this morning i went to harbor freight and summit racing with no luck. I decided to ask a friend who works at B&T custom rods and he suggested to try napa auto and to my surprise they had two.
Back in business. I milled the first op on some new material because of the tap being broke in the last part and decided to use the last part for set up. The angle cut is no good, the bore and angle are good but the entry and exit are to big. So i thought of another way to do it but need your approval. Ill draw it up so you can see what it would look like.

I can post some pics of the whole process if anyone would like to see.

http://img115.imageshack.us/img115/4238/43630523tx2.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img265.imageshack.us/img265/3788/43630524pm7.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

As you can see i didn't bother doing the O'ring groves or taping it.

guaynabo89
11-17-2007, 05:24 PM
definately post all the pics yougot. ;)

crucial
11-17-2007, 05:38 PM
So heres what i found to use.
http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/3159/43630508ag9.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

This is what i looked like after the saw work done. The square is 6.5" X 7.5"
http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/7999/sawgs5.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

This one is of it being mill down 1/2" as the origanl was 1 1\2" thick and the part is 3/4" thick.
http://img207.imageshack.us/img207/2420/43630517ip8.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

And of the drilling.
http://img441.imageshack.us/img441/6716/43630515ay0.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Milling the counter bores and outer edge.
http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/9707/43630512ki2.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

This is me hand taping it because the taps i got from napa weren't meant to be use in a mill.
http://img520.imageshack.us/img520/9152/43630518yk2.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

And the back side being milled down to size. (I like this pic)
http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/4677/43630521ko3.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

stat1K
11-17-2007, 06:12 PM
yeah that pic is cool! lol long exposure on that would be sick too. it would look like a weird mechanical blur!

azazel_18_2
11-17-2007, 06:21 PM
How much are you going to be selling those for? Let me now how much if you are and I may take a few.

crucial
11-17-2007, 06:29 PM
How much are you going to be selling those for? Let me now how much if you are and I may take a few.

I'll have to refer you to LX-incredible for pricing and orders as there his parts.

stat1K
11-17-2007, 06:33 PM
i think he was thinking in the like 75 dollar range but don't quote me on that i could be way off me and him talk about a lot of stuff lol.

LX-incredible
11-17-2007, 08:51 PM
Awesome pictures!
Everything looks good except the coolant hole. Let's see what you have in mind for that.

As for the pricing, we will need to produce a complete kit before giving quotes.

crucial
11-17-2007, 09:59 PM
So heres what i was thinking of.
http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/8049/coolentporttg9.png (http://imageshack.us)
http://img256.imageshack.us/img256/3028/coolentportsideviewnw7.png (http://imageshack.us)

LX-incredible
11-17-2007, 11:13 PM
I don't see any problem with that. Could you post a few shots with measurements after you get it plugged in?

crucial
11-18-2007, 12:27 AM
Some dimensions.

http://img206.imageshack.us/img206/7062/coolentportsidedimsnr2.png (http://imageshack.us)

Better drawing.
http://img522.imageshack.us/img522/425/coolentportlb0.png (http://imageshack.us)

LX-incredible
11-18-2007, 01:39 PM
Is the 0.3964" the connecting passage between the two holes? I think we are going to want to open it up more than that. The original design was well over .6"

crucial
11-19-2007, 05:44 AM
Heres one with the width of the angle.
http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/7720/coolentportsidedimsny8.png (http://imageshack.us)

LX-incredible
11-19-2007, 08:57 AM
Okay, that will be fine.

crucial
11-20-2007, 07:12 PM
K ill run it on Friday or Saturday. This has taken Way to long. Sorry about that.

LX-incredible
11-20-2007, 09:00 PM
No problem man. Thanks for your trouble.

LX-incredible
11-27-2007, 10:58 PM
What's the status? If you could send me the piece with the messed up water passage, I can make sure everything else is golden, and get the key measurements.

crucial
11-29-2007, 06:40 PM
Sorry about that I've been really sick and today was the first day I've been back to work. I can send you the messed up one this weekend( i gotta go out to my girlfriends dads plant). I figured out (today) why the coolant port was not working and am going to fix it now. And try to run it tomorrow after work (trying to make up some missed time). But ill send you something this weekend.

LX-incredible
11-29-2007, 09:10 PM
Sorry about that I've been really sick and today was the first day I've been back to work. I can send you the messed up one this weekend( i gotta go out to my girlfriends dads plant). I figured out (today) why the coolant port was not working and am going to fix it now. And try to run it tomorrow after work (trying to make up some missed time). But ill send you something this weekend.

Can't help being sick. No rush man, get better first.

crucial
12-02-2007, 09:00 PM
Okay i couldn't run the part but my girlfriends dad is going to send the messed up one tomorrow and i think it would be best wait and see if there is any thing else that needs to be changed before running the finale proto. So let me know when you get it and if there are any issues.

The package will be from Pacific Coast Flange.

:rockon:

LX-incredible
12-02-2007, 09:21 PM
I agree. I'll let you know when I get it, thanks!

crucial
12-03-2007, 08:34 PM
K, I just called him and verified that he sent the part and he said he sent it standard UPS. :cheers:

2drSE-i
12-04-2007, 07:06 AM
awesome, im very excited lol. cant wait to hear what lx-incredible has to say

LX-incredible
12-04-2007, 09:56 AM
Sweet! The hardware came last week, so we now have everything to mount 20 of them. I guess I should start building my conversion harness...

BITESIZE
12-04-2007, 11:38 AM
This is to run a 4g distributor? If so i want one too.

ZackieDarko
12-04-2007, 11:53 AM
This is to run a 4g distributor? If so i want one too.

it is

and as i have already said, im in for one

87roach
12-04-2007, 03:12 PM
This is to run a 4g distributor? If so i want one too.

After tried and tested of course! :D

labeledsk8r
12-04-2007, 03:17 PM
this is comeing along great guys, and i to will be down for one but its going to be a while before i can buy. but damn awsome work

jdaddy88lx-i
12-04-2007, 06:31 PM
gimmie, gimmie, gimmie, gimmie, gimmie, lol

stat1K
12-04-2007, 09:20 PM
angus i already made my dizzy adapter for mine... i made it the night we got back from the yard... lol. if you need any help making them we should go to the yard and get all the plugs we can find lol.

LX-incredible
12-05-2007, 11:48 PM
The adapter should be easy, as it's only 4 wires with the same colors. The damn yard here doesn't have anything, so we might have to do that...

crucial
12-06-2007, 08:15 PM
Just curious if you have received it yet?

stat1K
12-06-2007, 08:23 PM
stealin plugs ftmfw haha. but what do you mean only 4 wires? maybe i missed something... mine was 5+2 others with those pins we pulled... but whatev i wanna see the part when you get it too.

LX-incredible
12-06-2007, 08:59 PM
stealin plugs ftmfw haha. but what do you mean only 4 wires? maybe i missed something... mine was 5+2 others with those pins we pulled... but whatev i wanna see the part when you get it too.

Haha, we've become the assholes we hate.
Yours is electronically controlled, the 86-89 accord was vacuum and only has four wires for the two sensors. The ignition system is independent, so I'm not counting those wires. Only 4 wires currently go back to the ECU, I'll be adding another 3.

LX-incredible
12-06-2007, 09:08 PM
Just curious if you have received it yet?

Shit, I didn't even see it when I grabbed my other package. Looks good bro. I'll test fit it, and get back to you.

LX-incredible
12-06-2007, 10:19 PM
All the bolt holes to mount the plate line up. The M8 bolts they sent me have a 13 mm head, so we will need to widen the recesses a bit on the two, and probably on the other 3, for those using chinese sockets. The cam hole is centered, but is too damn small. 2 of the dizzy mounting bolts look like they might need to be moved. I'll find the caliper and get some measurements tomorrow...

LX-incredible
12-07-2007, 11:45 AM
Here are the corrected measurements, changes in red:

http://img252.imageshack.us/img252/9271/apmeasurmentsfczc3.jpg

The hole width on K. came out to 1.245" on the plate you sent me, it should have been 1.26". After examining another distributor, it should really be 1.263", to prevent binding.

All mounting bolt recesses came out .005" smaller than the measurements I gave. I have changed those to accommodate for larger sockets.

H, J, and I need to be moved around a bit, corrected as well.

Just to be safe, the indentation at the bottom should be moved right 0.1", to be centered over the pipe. It clears the pipe on both of my heads, but may not for others.

That should be it for the plate. I will try and get the key measurements after I find something to hold the dizzy square, above the plate...

crucial
12-07-2007, 04:44 PM
Whats the diameter of the pipe it needs to clear?

LX-incredible
12-07-2007, 10:04 PM
0.72", but it's only the very top that would hit the plate. Moving it 0.1" to the right will do the trick. I could take a picture if necessary.

crucial
12-08-2007, 08:50 AM
Yeah if i could see a pic that would help

crucial
12-08-2007, 09:07 AM
So heres the placement of it moved over x.1 and y.1.

http://img441.imageshack.us/img441/9696/notchmovedcf8.png (http://imageshack.us)

And of the new dimensions.

http://img512.imageshack.us/img512/9577/newdemesionswt9.png (http://imageshack.us)

crucial
12-08-2007, 03:26 PM
And the C' bore dimensions.

http://img139.imageshack.us/img139/7096/cboredemensionsas9.png (http://imageshack.us)

LX-incredible
12-09-2007, 01:17 PM
http://img240.imageshack.us/img240/6030/p1000128qx6.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/1006/p1000125nq6.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

ZackieDarko
12-09-2007, 04:35 PM
http://img240.imageshack.us/img240/6030/p1000128qx6.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/1006/p1000125nq6.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

sweeeeeeeeeeet


how close to done is this?

crucial
12-09-2007, 08:55 PM
Looks pretty cool on there even for being a bad part. I think it will work by moving the indent over x0.1 & Y0.1 . So should i run it or is there any thing else to adjust or change.

fogged
12-09-2007, 09:19 PM
I dont mean to be such a newb, but can someone give me a link so I can understand just what you gain from this mod. Once again sorry for being such a newb.

2drSE-i
12-09-2007, 09:43 PM
no biggie fogged. With this part, you can easily and more effectively run a 4th gen, ECU controlled distributor, in conjunction with an OBD-1 ECU and wiring harness swap. This allows tuning and more reliable ignition timing.

fogged
12-09-2007, 10:01 PM
Thanks for clearing that up for me. In that case. Way cool.

2drSE-i
12-09-2007, 10:04 PM
np, 2DrSE-i newb coordinator strikes again!

LX-incredible
12-10-2007, 08:44 PM
Well, I couldn't find the correct spacers to mount it properly, so I found a hole saw and went to town. :cheers:

http://img265.imageshack.us/img265/7215/p1000144wt7.jpg

http://img265.imageshack.us/img265/4452/p1000143qh6.jpg

http://img265.imageshack.us/img265/5394/p1000130oz7.jpg

http://img265.imageshack.us/img265/5200/p1000135uf2.jpg

http://img265.imageshack.us/img265/3526/p1000133el2.jpg

http://img265.imageshack.us/img265/1795/p1000142yh9.jpg

http://img265.imageshack.us/img265/579/p1000141bp6.jpg

We now have a piece with the correct offset. I can give you the measurements for the stock key and the angle of the offset. It would be best if you could give me the exact thickness of the plate being used, as the one you sent wasn't 3/4". Thanks.

ZackieDarko
12-10-2007, 08:51 PM
yaurrr!

labeledsk8r
12-10-2007, 09:18 PM
jessus thats looking good

87preludeA20A3
12-10-2007, 09:19 PM
Man that is sick, i haven't seen anything so cool for our cars in a while. Good work guys.

LX-incredible
12-10-2007, 09:31 PM
yaurrr!

Sorry, I missed your previous post. A new plate and key will need to be made and tested. When everything checks out, we will figure out the cost, and buy the plate. Hardware and O-rings come out to around $5, I believe the plate was around $16, there's the material for the key, and I think cruical deserves something for his hard work. Your guess on the time is as good as mine.

LX-incredible
12-10-2007, 10:13 PM
Looks pretty cool on there even for being a bad part. I think it will work by moving the indent over x0.1 & Y0.1 . So should i run it or is there any thing else to adjust or change.

The thickness of the plate that you sent was 0.69" at the top and 0.72" at the bottom, so that needs to be addressed. Then there's the coolant passage, but I think you have that figured out. Everything else looks good.

crucial
12-10-2007, 10:29 PM
The part will be .75 thick, I just milled the part i sent you to clean it up. Didn't want to send you something with burs all over lol.
So i think ill run a complete part to send you, and start working on the key for it.
I also got a couple plates too use so might be able to send a few of them. But first thing first is to get you a complete part for testing and such.

LX-incredible
12-10-2007, 10:39 PM
Cool. I'll have the key measurements tomorrow.

MessyHonda
12-11-2007, 12:24 AM
nice.

LX-incredible
12-11-2007, 01:34 AM
http://img211.imageshack.us/img211/3338/keymeasurementstopyu0.jpg

http://img211.imageshack.us/img211/6520/keymeasurementssideeb3.jpg

The pin hole is perpendicular to the key teeth on the stock key.

The ring groove and pin hole need to be moved down 0.75" and offset around 70 degrees or so... I'll figure that out later.

EricW
12-11-2007, 05:35 AM
Nice work! After you get one of these up and running I think I'm going to have to buy one.

bobafett
12-11-2007, 09:57 AM
Yeah I won't be needing one of these (though I wish I was, I would love to support this work), but I gotta commend you all on your dedication and cooperation to actually make something useful from the ground up!

I think we might be able to get you to build different strut mounts to allow us to run the civic strut conversion with a little less hassle.

LX-incredible
12-11-2007, 12:03 PM
http://img135.imageshack.us/img135/111/keyoffsettz2.jpg

LX-incredible
12-11-2007, 12:45 PM
http://img120.imageshack.us/img120/5794/key75rh0.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

That should be it... Let me know if you need anything else.

stat1K
12-11-2007, 04:34 PM
lookin tits angus... keep it up.

fogged
12-11-2007, 05:23 PM
Ok Ive read up on the OBD-1 swap, and now I can say I want this mod as well.

ZackieDarko
12-11-2007, 06:16 PM
i call dibs on one of the first 5

jdaddy88lx-i
12-11-2007, 07:26 PM
Very good work lads. This is so freakin great. I might drop a tear.:crying::thumbup:

crucial
12-11-2007, 08:23 PM
Okay got home today and found my computer in a fit. I have a virus i am unable to get rid of, so i installed a diffrent hard drive and installed windows on it. Hopefully ill be able to acess my original drives (raid) to delete the infected files but untill the problem is fixed i dont have access to mastercam and am unable to get the machine files.:thumbdn:

LX-incredible
12-11-2007, 08:30 PM
That sucks.

crucial
12-11-2007, 09:12 PM
Okay i should be up and running by tomorrow. Installing the other drive seems tro be working.

http://img519.imageshack.us/img519/8367/41321003kj4.png (http://imageshack.us)
http://img519.imageshack.us/img519/8367/41321003kj4.690ceb8bd7.jpg (http://g.imageshack.us/g.php?h=519&i=41321003kj4.png)

LX-incredible
12-11-2007, 09:18 PM
Good, I'd hate to see you have to go through all that again.

ZackieDarko
12-11-2007, 10:32 PM
Good, I'd hate to see you have to go through all that again.

cant he just scan the plate with his 3d scanner?

LX-incredible
12-11-2007, 11:23 PM
I seriously doubt it's that easy, especially since we haven't completed the revised plate yet. Measurements still would need to be checked.

crucial
12-13-2007, 09:42 PM
Man the virus i had really hurt. The only thing left are my Mastercam files. I had over 300 movies and around 40 Gb's of music not to mention the games and other programs I had. Still installing everything so it might be a few day before i can start working on the key.

LX-incredible
12-13-2007, 11:50 PM
That blows. Shit happened to me a couple years ago, at least it all was free.

stat1K
12-15-2007, 09:11 AM
stop downloading porn... rofl... hopefully this get finished soon so i can marvel in all its glory!

LX-incredible
12-19-2007, 04:07 PM
Any updates?

crucial
12-19-2007, 08:36 PM
No new news i just got out of jail for hitting a cop. Ill just say it does not pay to be drunk and fighting in downtown Reno. Tomorrow ill see if i still have a job.:Owned:

MessyHonda
12-20-2007, 01:41 AM
wow

newtuner
12-20-2007, 02:01 AM
i've been monotoring (eye kant spel eyi kno!) this post sence it started and that sux!! sorry to hear u had law troubles... but if u have the mastercam files i have a friend who is very interested in helping for a "nominal" fee... jus an option.. only reason for a fee he says is because he get so much time every year to beable to run self oreintated operations so he kinda wants to make a little money off of it.. so if u guys r stuck and really want to let me kno k?? also i jus wanted to say thx for havin a r&d section... i would have never gottin this much info on so many things anywhere else!!!

crucial
12-20-2007, 08:19 AM
K im suspended till the 2nd. So ill get the program dawnin out and verify all dimensions.

2drSE-i
12-20-2007, 09:02 AM
wow dude....you couldve gotten years for hitting a cop....

labeledsk8r
12-20-2007, 09:22 AM
holly crap..... your city must be very lax for you to be out now. glad to hear you didnt loose your job though

LX-incredible
12-20-2007, 07:56 PM
Wow, glad to hear you're out and still have a job.

crucial
12-20-2007, 09:12 PM
Well if you just go up and punch a cop your going to prison for awhile. But the cop smashed my face in the ground and now i have a bunch of stitches in my eye brow and between my eye brows. Like 30 total stitches. Pretty lame to cause i was handcuffed and face down on the ground when they smashed my face in the ground.
Kinda funny though my girlfriends dad some how came up with this story that i took on like ten dude before the cops got there.

LX-incredible
12-20-2007, 09:17 PM
30 stitches? You must've hit him pretty hard!

crucial
12-20-2007, 09:31 PM
Well i hit him by accident, i was kinda being jumped by 4 dudes so was just sing at everything and the cop kind stepped in to it. I know one thing, hes probably never been hit like that before cause it took him awhile to pick him self up off the ground. Normally a charge for hitting a cop would be a felony as i was booked for but when i bailed out on Wednesday it was already lowered to a mistemener. When i talked to the bail bondsman today he said that the charges would probably be dropped :cheers:

A20A1
12-20-2007, 09:52 PM
Very good work on the plate :D

crucial
12-21-2007, 11:04 AM
Thank you A20A1.

I'm having problems installing Mastercam so i have to wait for a rep to come fix it or give me a new copy.Might be a bit due to the holidays.:thumbdn: Ill keep working on it until its working or i have a new copy.

A20A1
12-21-2007, 11:25 AM
So heres what i was thinking of.
http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/8049/coolentporttg9.png (http://imageshack.us)
http://img256.imageshack.us/img256/3028/coolentportsideviewnw7.png (http://imageshack.us)

very professional I like your solution

crucial
12-21-2007, 09:38 PM
My mastercam rep gave me a link to download it. Ill be out of town for the holidays, but ill get it done as soon as possible. My girlfriends dad offer to run them when we have a finished product at no cost cause he thinks its cool what we are doing and theve be really slow in there cnc department(for like 5 months).

crucial
12-21-2007, 09:40 PM
very professional I like your solution

Thank you but i figered out the problem and it will be straight though which is better for flow, Can't be restricting are coolent now can we.:)

LX-incredible
12-21-2007, 09:50 PM
My mastercam rep gave me a link to download it. Ill be out of town for the holidays, but ill get it done as soon as possible. My girlfriends dad offer to run them when we have a finished product at no cost cause he thinks its cool what we are doing and theve be really slow in there cnc department(for like 5 months).

Cool man! Have a good trip!

jdaddy88lx-i
12-25-2007, 06:01 PM
glad to see you're out and safe those charges probly be dropped since you were swinging at four dudes and he just stepped in. keep up the good work and keep those stiches clean

crucial
12-27-2007, 10:00 AM
http://img211.imageshack.us/img211/3338/keymeasurementstopyu0.jpg

http://img211.imageshack.us/img211/6520/keymeasurementssideeb3.jpg

The pin hole is perpendicular to the key teeth on the stock key.

The ring groove and pin hole need to be moved down 0.75" and offset around 70 degrees or so... I'll figure that out later.

Is the .159 hole a through hole?

crucial
12-27-2007, 10:07 AM
Hey i was wondering if you could do a new post with all the dimensions for the key so i don't have to keep scrolling up and down to look for them. It would make it a little easer.

lostforawhile
12-27-2007, 11:15 AM
hey crucial,working out a deal to get an aluminum valve cover then i can get started on the other project i was talking to you about lol. glad your not in the slammer.

crucial
12-27-2007, 11:55 AM
Thanks lol.

LX-incredible
12-27-2007, 08:28 PM
Is the .159 hole a through hole?

Yes.

LX-incredible
12-27-2007, 08:34 PM
Hey i was wondering if you could do a new post with all the dimensions for the key so i don't have to keep scrolling up and down to look for them. It would make it a little easer.


http://img211.imageshack.us/img211/3338/keymeasurementstopyu0.jpg

http://img211.imageshack.us/img211/6520/keymeasurementssideeb3.jpg

The pin hole is perpendicular to the key teeth on the stock key.

The ring groove and pin hole need to be moved down 0.75" and offset around 70 degrees or so... I'll figure that out later.



http://img135.imageshack.us/img135/111/keyoffsettz2.jpg


http://img120.imageshack.us/img120/5794/key75rh0.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

That should be it... Let me know if you need anything else.

crucial
12-27-2007, 09:16 PM
Thank you :)

crucial
12-27-2007, 09:31 PM
Does this groove go all the way around the part?
http://img262.imageshack.us/img262/736/key75co0hf9.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

LX-incredible
12-27-2007, 09:47 PM
yes

crucial
12-27-2007, 10:16 PM
Ok im gonna do the groove, outer and inner diameters on a manual lathe. Then the teeth and through hole and a cnc mill, that way the part is truly round.

Hows the bottom of the key connect to the original teeth?
Does the pin go straight through it?

Never mind i see.

So is the through hole still in the same place?

LX-incredible
12-28-2007, 08:28 PM
The original hole is perpendicular (90º) to the key teeth. The new key will need it to be offset an additional 117º.

So looking at the toothed end, 153º CCW from the key teeth, 27º clockwise.

The hole will be centered on the 0.946" width, not to the side like the teeth.

Let me know if there's anything else, thanks.

stat1K
01-05-2008, 06:21 PM
so anything?

LX-incredible
01-07-2008, 02:54 PM
so anything?
Not yet.

stat1K
01-07-2008, 04:31 PM
for shizzle.

labeledsk8r
01-13-2008, 02:25 AM
whats the statuson this? is crucial missing in action??... i gotta pm you on a qoute for another small side project aswell

stat1K
01-13-2008, 11:01 AM
yep he's mia

2drSE-i
01-13-2008, 01:23 PM
hope he didnt wind up in jail....

LX-incredible
01-13-2008, 10:24 PM
Dammit... so close.

stat1K
01-18-2008, 11:15 PM
sigh at least you got a paper weight out of the deal.

LX-incredible
01-18-2008, 11:22 PM
A damn fine one too...