87roach's 1987 S Hatch Build

[Mellexx]

Looking good, nice work man. The Gauge pod is already looking perfect

[87roach]

I appreciate the comments haha.

If any of you want to do all the wiring for me... I wouldn't complain and I'll make you bbq!

[87roach]

Some progress..

God damn pedal box is the worst.

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a69/roach_cato/wip186.jpg

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a69/roach_cato/wip185.jpg

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a69/roach_cato/wip187.jpg

Thank GOD I kept my hatch harness so I can snag all the wires I need from there. Awesome!

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a69/roach_cato/wip188.jpg

It'll end up something similar to this plus the battery cables, in this corner.

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a69/roach_cato/wip189.jpg

What a mess.. what the hell am I getting myself into :(

[Rendon LX-i]

A big mess an a 2 day project if you do it from morning to dawn

[MessyHonda]

wiring is not bad as long as you remember where every wires goes:nervous:

[87roach]

A big mess an a 2 day project if you do it from morning to dawn

I can't imagine doing it in that short of a time, at least what I want to do. Props to you man!


wiring is not bad as long as you remember where every wires goes:nervous:

It's my fear that I won't haha :(

[YK86]

This is gonna look nice after it's all done. I love wire tucks but I don't have the patience to do it to my own car.

BTW, I hate doing pedals too. I thought the 3rd gen was frustrating but the 4th gens were no better.

[Tdurr]

looking nice man! should be super sexy once its done!! lol u guys are gonna force me to step my game up :P

[Hazwan]

looking nice man! should be super sexy once its done!! lol u guys are gonna force me to step my game up :P

Step up your game yo!

Anyway hay I'll be moar than happy to do the wiring for you :D Get me the plane tickets!!!

[87roach]

This is gonna look nice after it's all done. I love wire tucks but I don't have the patience to do it to my own car.

BTW, I hate doing pedals too. I thought the 3rd gen was frustrating but the 4th gens were no better.

Thanks, I appreciate it man.


looking nice man! should be super sexy once its done!! lol u guys are gonna force me to step my game up :P

Step it up bish :p


Step up your game yo!

Anyway hay I'll be moar than happy to do the wiring for you :D Get me the plane tickets!!!

If it didn't cost me $1000+ I would actually consider it man.

[Mellexx]

Good luck with the wire tuck, It's definitely going to be worth it in the end!

[A18A]

wiring, fun fun fun fun!

[Pico]

just think of the experience and knowledge you will have in doing a wire tuck. that way when you come to visit , you will have no problem in doing my wire tuck and getting it done super fast :lol:

[87roach]

Very funny Pico!

Got some more done but it's going to be slow going for a bit.

[Hazwan]

Time to get together and set up a "Get Haz to USDM land fund" nao!! :D

[87roach]

I think that's about $1500.00 CAD, I also think I may just rather struggle through the wiring :p

[Mellexx]

lmao, that 1500$ wiring job better be something special for that price :p

[MessyHonda]

you get Haz wired special

[87roach]

Good point.

So Haz, whatcha going to do to make it worth $1500?

[Tdurr]

Happy ending?

[87roach]

Not for a while man, I haven't touched it this long weekend! I would of liked to of spent the weekend getting the majority of it completed but alas :)

[87roach]

Found this baby at pnp and it only cost $3 :D too bad there was only one..

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a69/roach_cato/wip192.jpg

Got some more work done today:

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a69/roach_cato/wip190.jpg

wtf is this mess :(

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a69/roach_cato/wip191.jpg

[Fedor B.]

wtf is this mess :(



You only pretend if you don't know what your doing.....

Better than new!

[dacantu]

Good work man, keep it all up.

What does that window visor say on the corner there? There is no such visor that is OEM for our cars as far as I know so I'm just curious to know who actually made some.

[87roach]

Good work man, keep it all up.

What does that window visor say on the corner there? There is no such visor that is OEM for our cars as far as I know so I'm just curious to know who actually made some.

Honda yo.

[Tdurr]

Skreet racer yo

[87roach]

Got this done a while ago... I finally did some more work on the car today so I'll probably do another update this weekend.

More chaos!

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a69/roach_cato/wip193.jpg

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a69/roach_cato/wip194.jpg

MSD box and fuse box tucked away.

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a69/roach_cato/wip195.jpg

I've got the pillar gauges wired in, the pillar's painted black(sem plastic/vinyl primer and sem satin black vinyl paint) and they turned out good.

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a69/roach_cato/wip196.jpg

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a69/roach_cato/wip197.jpg

Trying to sort out the cabin before moving onto the engine bay, but they kind of go hand in hand.. it was nice to finally get some work done today so I think I'll keep going for the next few days.

[89T]

Somebody call the fire department , this shit is hot!

[gfrg88]

reminds me of my car!!! haha.. shit's a pain in the ass...

[Jorge Ariel Gyökér]

Ohhh! Maaaan! Just the best for your car.. Right? :D God! I want all of those things too! In a H22A :P But i'm going to do it reeeeeeally slow as I can see :S XD haha congratulations! your car is AMAZING!

[87roach]

I appreciate the comment's guys.


Somebody call the fire department , this shit is hot!

Thanks haha. I hope nothing lights on fire though, since you mentioned it..

More:

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a69/roach_cato/wip198.jpg

I'm going to have all the wires come through that large hole(made it too big.. oops, I'll make sure to fix it so nothing comes into the cabin)

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a69/roach_cato/wip199.jpg

Got this side tucked a while ago, turned out good.

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a69/roach_cato/wip200.jpg

Gauges in, well half.

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a69/roach_cato/wip201.jpg

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a69/roach_cato/wip202.jpg

I know I keep showing the same wires over and over and over, but I actually am making progress on them haha. I think I have this area sorted out so I can get the pain-in-the-ass-pedals back in.

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a69/roach_cato/wip205.jpg

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a69/roach_cato/wip204.jpg

I also got all the speaker wires run with proper length(before they had just been fished through under the dash, and that was not acceptable).

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a69/roach_cato/wip203.jpg

Getting closer..

[Susanoo]

Im doing the same thing to my coupe right now...How'd you secure the "engine bay" fuse box where it is and have you checked for clearance with the "a/c box"?

[oldschool3g]

nice work man. those wires are coming out clean;). hey what kind of guages are those?

[87roach]

Im doing the same thing to my coupe right now...How'd you secure the "engine bay" fuse box where it is and have you checked for clearance with the "a/c box"?

The fuse box is secured with the bracket that held it in the engine bay, it's a bit flimsy but holding quite well. I had to cut it up to make it work, I might be able to get some up close shots for you. I also don't have A/C, this placement would not work for it. I will post a picture of the whole thing before the dash goes on so you can see.


nice work man. those wires are coming out clean;). hey what kind of guages are those?

Thanks man, they are prosport gauges.

[Hash_man_Se_i]

Looking really good Roach!!... I haven't checked in on this build in a long time. I had no idea you were going boosted, the build looks great so far!. Nice work on the wiring so far too... Want to do mine next? haha

[Susanoo]

The fuse box is secured with the bracket that held it in the engine bay, it's a bit flimsy but holding quite well. I had to cut it up to make it work, I might be able to get some up close shots for you. I also don't have A/C, this placement would not work for it. I will post a picture of the whole thing before the dash goes on so you can see.

Yea if you could get some up close shots that would help me. I think I have an idea of how you might have done it and it seems to work for you. Maybe i can improve on your idea as well :D

Also i dont have A/C either, I saw on some other forum that someone made an "A/C box delete duct" for the older CRX and from the pictures it looked very similar to our cars setup. Did you find one of these or is there one made specifically for our car? I've been trying to figure out how to get rid of that huge box...

[87roach]

Looking really good Roach!!... I haven't checked in on this build in a long time. I had no idea you were going boosted, the build looks great so far!. Nice work on the wiring so far too... Want to do mine next? haha

Thanks man, and not a chance :)


Yea if you could get some up close shots that would help me. I think I have an idea of how you might have done it and it seems to work for you. Maybe i can improve on your idea as well :D

Also i dont have A/C either, I saw on some other forum that someone made an "A/C box delete duct" for the older CRX and from the pictures it looked very similar to our cars setup. Did you find one of these or is there one made specifically for our car? I've been trying to figure out how to get rid of that huge box...

There is a duct made specifically for the car, I will show you when thing's go back together, I'll also try to get some snaps soon of the fuse box.

[87roach]

I got a bunch more done this weekend, some cabin wiring but mainly engine bay wiring. I had to shorten/lengthen a few wires so far and replace a few connections. Getting pretty mint and should have some clean pictures soon. Today I took off the manifold and downpipe, welded on a new flange for the dp, an o2 bung for the wideband, I also welded a piece onto the manifold and tapped it for my egt probe. Going to get those sent off to the powdercoater this week. Will get some picture's up of when I get them back.

[Susanoo]

There is a duct made specifically for the car, I will show you when thing's go back together, I'll also try to get some snaps soon of the fuse box.

Oh nice, where can i find this duct?



I got a bunch more done this weekend, some cabin wiring but mainly engine bay wiring. I had to shorten/lengthen a few wires so far and replace a few connections.

Its funny you should say this because thats exactly what i did over the weekend... :thumbup:

[Honda Man]

oh my goood, that engine gets me all hot and bothered! Freaking awesome man. hope mine looks that nice one day

[87roach]

Thanks man.

So I finally got my exhaust back from the powder coater, got a nice deal too :D

Here are the before pictures from the work I mentioned I did in my previous post:

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a69/roach_cato/wip206.jpg

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a69/roach_cato/wip207.jpg

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a69/roach_cato/wip208.jpg

Cleaned up the ports on everything, added the o2 bung, and the egt patch.

After:

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a69/roach_cato/wip209.jpg

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a69/roach_cato/wip210.jpg

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a69/roach_cato/wip211.jpg

Turned out awesome, I just got the "burnished" because I'm wrapping it anyway and there's no need to pay the extra for "polished".

Got these a while ago...

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a69/roach_cato/wip212.jpg

Finally put them on today.

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a69/roach_cato/wip213.jpg

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a69/roach_cato/wip214.jpg

It's darker because it was still wet in the pictures, they turned out pretty good. It was harder then I thought but I took my time and made it look good. The wrap on the manifold started to fray a bit of sorts because I wrapped it around so many times. I like it and it should work fine.

I got that done today, I also put the turbo back together, installed a new oil filter base gasket, some other misc tasks, and finished the front mount(just have to weld it and paint it tomorrow). I haven't worked on the hatch for a while so today was pretty satisfying!

[87roach]

Today I finished the front mount, all welded up and painted. I also made the turbo gaskets since I couldn't find any.. a bit of a pain but it's done. Crank scraper is on the way too, it better fit.. after I get the scraper in and get the exhaust bolted up I can finish the wiring, finally.

[Fedor B.]

Very cool shit!

[bullard123]

Wow man very nice!! I cant wait to see what kind of numbers she puts down when you get finished...Very clean looking setup!!!

[AccordB20A]

damn nice work. jelous much!

[87roach]

Thank you for the positive comment's guys :D

I would like to get a little bit done every day, I think it will help make progress go that much quicker. I installed the front mount, so finally it's sitting on it's own weight and not the jack anymore. I've also had these for probably close to a year now...(like everything else) and today I finally managed to install them.

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a69/roach_cato/wip215.jpg

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a69/roach_cato/wip216.jpg

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a69/roach_cato/wip217.jpg

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a69/roach_cato/wip218.jpg

I think it turned out well, I was going to turn the battery around but I don't think it mattered too much. All the connections have been crimped and soldered.

More to come.. thanks for looking!

[87roach]

Got a bit farther..

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a69/roach_cato/wip219.jpg

[obdriver6]

All I got to say is WOW!!!

[Tdurr]

sir, THIS is so fuckin sexyyyy

[2ndGenGuy]

This man knows how to do it right!

[RAZR]

Will exhaust wrap last very long on a daily driven vehicle??

[87roach]

Thank you guys, I try.


Will exhaust wrap last very long on a daily driven vehicle??

Dude. It's titanium.


Today I got a lot of progress on a project I have been thinking about for a loooooong time, I will post pictures when I finish.. which I hope to be tomorrow or this weekend sometime!

[-$MOKIN-]

Well what is it ?

[87roach]

Will exhaust wrap last very long on a daily driven vehicle??

Disregarding the smart ass remark, this is my first time actually using exhaust wrap myself. I have had heard good thing's about it and it should last for a long while. I think depending on your driving conditions and climate it would change the outcome.


Well what is it ?

Hey give me some time! It's still being worked on :D


I also purchased this last year, well that pretty much goes for everything I bought for turbo so I'll stop saying that.

Hallman Boost Controller Pro-RX(rx means it comes with a ceramic ball and another spring for higher boost adjustment)

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a69/roach_cato/wip220.jpg

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a69/roach_cato/wip221.jpg

I won't be pushing thing's too much with this engine but should I need to do some adjustments this little guy will help me.

[87roach]

Cup holders for sale..

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a69/roach_cato/wip222.jpg

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a69/roach_cato/wip223.jpg

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a69/roach_cato/wip224.jpg

The mock up.

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a69/roach_cato/wip225.jpg

All the pieces in place, starting filler.

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a69/roach_cato/wip226.jpg

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a69/roach_cato/wip227.jpg

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a69/roach_cato/wip228.jpg

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a69/roach_cato/wip229.jpg

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a69/roach_cato/wip230.jpg

Final filling..

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a69/roach_cato/wip231.jpg

[87roach]

Before..

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a69/roach_cato/wip233.jpg

Adhesion promoter.

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a69/roach_cato/wip232.jpg

After..

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a69/roach_cato/wip234.jpg

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a69/roach_cato/wip235.jpg

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a69/roach_cato/wip236.jpg

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a69/roach_cato/wip237.jpg

I've been thinking about doing this project for a long time. I didn't want to have gauges in my dashboard or hacked into places, I wanted to keep it clean. After much grumbling I finally put my head down and tackled it.. I was rather reluctant for a while because of the steps necessary. Well after a lot of work it turned out pretty good, not perfect but the plastic was warped and I did what I could! I am very happy to finally be done it and now I can move on :D

[-$MOKIN-]

Cool . . . . . . I like it ..

[87roach]

Thanks, I like it too. Looks like stock but it's not :D

[Rendon LX-i]

Super clean bro great work

[obdriver6]

It looks really good and stock, if I was sitting in your car I would not suspect a thing, the only down side is that there's no place for your drink :(

[Fedor B.]

Nice Job!
Don't know about your car stereo, but it's a good place to put USB en AUX inputs as well.
I have plans for something like that in the future to, but my plans were not as nice as your result.

[87roach]

Super clean bro great work

Thank you, I'm proud it turned out well.


It looks really good and stock, if I was sitting in your car I would not suspect a thing, the only down side is that there's no place for your drink :(

That's the idea man! Thanks. I also actually never used the cup holders so I lost nothing.


Nice Job!
Don't know about your car stereo, but it's a good place to put USB en AUX inputs as well.
I have plans for something like that in the future to, but my plans were not as nice as your result.

Ahh excellent idea man, it'll be easy to add a USB so I think I will at some point :D

Thanks for the suggestion and comment!

[stat1K]

looks great man, solid placement for these cars.

[Hash_man_Se_i]

Looking good! I love the gauge setup, turned out really nice. I like how it still looks like factory cupholders when closed.

[Hash_man_Se_i]

Also, exhaust wrap and turbo setup looks awesome now! exhaust wrap should work just fine on a daily driven car, I have some on my exhaust with no problems.... And you did a real nice job with it, that stuff is a pain to work with.,

[87roach]

looks great man, solid placement for these cars.

I appreciate the comment, thank you.


Looking good! I love the gauge setup, turned out really nice. I like how it still looks like factory cupholders when closed.

That's exactly what I was going for! I was going to try and get the turbo timer in there but there's no more room haha.

Also, that's good to hear about the wrap lasting on a daily. Thanks again, it is a pain to work with heh.

Right now I just picked up that crankscraper today and fucked with it all night because obviously it doesn't fit. Not only that they didn't include the baffle/trap door when I payed for that too. Really pissed off at the whole deal, now I have to spend another night just messing with that piece of shit to make it work ahhhh.

[oldschool3g]

wow dude i had a very similar idea with the cupholders bro but i havent yet to find an extra cupholder to hack lol i dont wanna hack up my only one. nice job man its gonna look super clean.

[87roach]

wow dude i had a very similar idea with the cupholders bro but i havent yet to find an extra cupholder to hack lol i dont wanna hack up my only one. nice job man its gonna look super clean.

Thanks. You should hack it up :)

Well, I finally.. yes finally received the crankscraper I ordered 3 months ago. I also payed for a pan baffle but never got it. I phoned them today to bitch and complain about this god damn product that cost me $300 for some bullshit I had to spend a full day modifying to even work.

What I got

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a69/roach_cato/wip238.jpg

What I had to make it to. Trim all corners, dip stick was hitting and had to fix that, counterweights hit on the first fit(wouldn't even turn over), teflon had to be cut a lot, bla bla bla. Not impressed at all, I'd pay maybe $50

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a69/roach_cato/wip239.jpg

On the car

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a69/roach_cato/wip240.jpg

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a69/roach_cato/wip241.jpg

Stock goods back on

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a69/roach_cato/wip242.jpg

Cut the tube off the pan

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a69/roach_cato/wip243.jpg

Patched it up

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a69/roach_cato/wip244.jpg

Pan primered and painted and back on the car, along with DP and crossmember. The bottom bolt for the dp was a pain to get in but I managed.

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a69/roach_cato/wip245.jpg

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a69/roach_cato/wip246.jpg

[87roach]

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a69/roach_cato/wip247.jpg

It turned out good, now I can continue the wiring that I love so much.

[obdriver6]

That looks really good but I don't know what the crank scraper is for.......but that turbo looks sick, looks like its coming along great.

[Rendon LX-i]

good job man. Did you weld your oil return on your pan? im like how is he returning his oil lol

[87roach]

That looks really good but I don't know what the crank scraper is for.......but that turbo looks sick, looks like its coming along great.

Thanks man, the scraper is an expensive way to keep oil in the pan.


good job man. Did you weld your oil return on your pan? im like how is he returning his oil lol

Haha yea, this is the oil pan that I got with the turbo. The previous guy had already welded on a fitting so it was just put it on and clamp the hose :D It's right beside the wastegate dump tube.

Someone finish my wiring up so I can drive already.

[-$MOKIN-]

what do you have left to do on it ?

[87roach]

What's left to do? Hmm...

Finish wiring in all gauges
Wire in turbo timer
Finish wire tuck
Install heater/dash
Install radio/wire
Fab up intercooler mounting and plumbing
Fab catch can and lines

I could go on for a while but I don't want to haha.

[itzdave]

hot, hot shit!

[gp02a0083]

That looks really good but I don't know what the crank scraper is for.......but that turbo looks sick, looks like its coming along great.

its also usually called a windage tray, keeps the oil in the bottom end and from foaming at higher rpm's

just curious that you removed the PCV breather tube off the back of the oil pan. Wouldn't you have issues with the oil pressure in the bottom end? A few months back i got an oil pan from dorman that was almost welded shut and caused excessive oil pressure in the valve train. This resulted in oil in the intake and oil getting by the valve seals.

[turabaka]

its also usually called a windage tray, keeps the oil in the bottom end and from foaming at higher rpm's

just curious that you removed the PCV breather tube off the back of the oil pan. Wouldn't you have issues with the oil pressure in the bottom end? A few months back i got an oil pan from dorman that was almost welded shut and caused excessive oil pressure in the valve train. This resulted in oil in the intake and oil getting by the valve seals.

These cars already have a stock windage tray. The crank scraper grabs oil off of the crank to lighten the rotational mass of the motor

[87roach]

just curious that you removed the PCV breather tube off the back of the oil pan. Wouldn't you have issues with the oil pressure in the bottom end? A few months back i got an oil pan from dorman that was almost welded shut and caused excessive oil pressure in the valve train. This resulted in oil in the intake and oil getting by the valve seals.

Pressure from the valve train will be released via catch can setup, I am waiting on the fitting's before I can fab it up.

[gfrg88]

Love the the gauge set up!!! Shit's fucking ill!!!!! :thumbup:

[-$MOKIN-]

Sounds like a weekend job ! Get er done. I guess you biggest worry is the tubing? Man you did good real good..haha. . . Do a first start video. .

[87roach]

Love the the gauge set up!!! Shit's fucking ill!!!!! :thumbup:

:D


Sounds like a weekend job ! Get er done. I guess you biggest worry is the tubing? Man you did good real good..haha. . . Do a first start video. .

Haha yes, a weekend job. Well fortunately I get a 4 day weekend and hope to make some good progress, thing's move slow throughout the week because I only have a few hours and lose focus. There still is a lot to do and thing's to wait for.. I hope to get it running this year, I freaking better.

Now.. off to get some work done.

[gp02a0083]

Pressure from the valve train will be released via catch can setup, I am waiting on the fitting's before I can fab it up.

ahh :thumbup:

[gfrg88]

post lots of pics on the catch can set up, pleeeease!!! :D

[obdriver6]

These cars already have a stock windage tray. The crank scraper grabs oil off of the crank to lighten the rotational mass of the motor
Thanks

[89T]

You sir have a PM... Did you get that figured out?

[87roach]

You sir have a PM... Did you get that figured out?

Yes I did I think, thank you.

I had to switch the white and blue.

[89T]

Very nice sir. The car too..

[87roach]

Very nice sir. The car too..

Thank you.

It was a good weekend, and went by very quickly.

First I wrapped up the engine bay and then I moved on to the interior(shudder).

Cut, strip, solder, heat shrink, repeat, and repeat.

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a69/roach_cato/wip248.jpg

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a69/roach_cato/wip249.jpg

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I wanted to make it possible to remove the dash if necessary so I put a plug in.

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I labeled everything for troubleshooting if needed, there is no way in hell I would ever remember haha.

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The dimmer I bought didn't end up working for whatever reason(tried it when I bought it and it worked) so I never used it. I had to put the wideband box somewhere and under that other box worked out perfect. I'm happy with the way it turned out and everything fits.

[87roach]

The coil mount is a plastic template until I can source some aluminum.

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Saved a bunch of space and it turned out well, I can reach just about everything without having to remove half the engine. I don't like the blue wires but oh well..

Some major progress is finally done.. only took months and months but I can move on. I think I'll mount up the intercooler and start the piping.

[HON-DUH]

My favorite build ever!!!!!

Honestly, I can see all the hard work you've put into this car...props to you sir

[88lxi-shortram]

i was going to do the same thing with my coil.... you should send me a replica of that plastic mount... im sure i could transfer it to metal over the weekend. very clean tuck btw loving the car....

[87roach]

My favorite build ever!!!!!

Honestly, I can see all the hard work you've put into this car...props to you sir

Thank you very much :D


i was going to do the same thing with my coil.... you should send me a replica of that plastic mount... im sure i could transfer it to metal over the weekend. very clean tuck btw loving the car....

Actually I'd rather just make it out of metal and then send you the plastic, I will try to grab some metal this week.

Some more goodies..

Mishimoto black intercooler, black piping kit(2.5"), greddy rs bov

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No flange for this so I'll have to make one

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Loving the black, it's going to be awesome when it's done! It'll also have that sleeper quality I want, plus it looks just damn sweet.

[88lxi-shortram]

thats cool with me :D just pm me when your done with it and ill give you my address and send money to your paypal

[gfrg88]

Size on intercooler???

[87roach]

Size on intercooler???

Overall size is, 28" x 6.25" x 2.5", with a 2.5" inlet/outlet.

[gfrg88]

Same size as mine :D

[87roach]

Same size as mine :D

How do you plan to mount it? I guess it'll be different from me anyway.

I hope to get it attached this weekend!

[obdriver6]

The wiring tuck looks pretty good, much better than the nightmare of wires you used to have lol....... btw black FMIC FTW!

[Rendon LX-i]

sweet. AND YOU SIR have what i want the Air duck when you dont have ac LOL. damn you lol. If you can find me one ill buy it off ya LOL

[87roach]

The wiring tuck looks pretty good, much better than the nightmare of wires you used to have lol....... btw black FMIC FTW!

I know haha, thanks.


sweet. AND YOU SIR have what i want the Air duck when you dont have ac LOL. damn you lol. If you can find me one ill buy it off ya LOL

:D I'll keep an eye out for you.

[87roach]

I got most of this done on the weekend, just getting around to posting now.

Measured bumper and cut..

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Fast forward after a bunch of fabrication, for the portion I cut away I welded in 1/8" flat bar. I have to finish welding it, clean it up and then paint.. and it's done.

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After much humming and hawing over which way to route the hot side pluming.. I will end up going the shortest route, it'll take some good fabrication but I'll make it happen. It'll be easier then wrapping it around the washer tank that's for sure. Unfortunately it will be too short of a pipe section and much too awkward to put the bov in there, so it will be going on the cold side.

I have some other projects to get out of the way before I can finish this.. more to come though.

[obdriver6]

Came out really clean! Are you gonna have to cut anything off the bumper?

[87roach]

Oh yes I forgot about that. I did a few test fits and a bit of cutting to get it on there(very snug fit). So far I have just cut out the middle grill but it will take some more to get it fitting smoothly. I really wanted to have some sort of screen or net to catch things before they ruin the cooler .. so we'll see what I can implement if anything.

I'll post pictures of the bumper once it fits properly.

[gfrg88]

Nice! I would put flat black mesh behind the bumper grille.. would look cleaner, imo.

[89T]

Looking good my man, looking good! IMHO Your build has been, well drag ass. But! I say "but" on it's own for a reason. I admire you're superb attention to detail and the details take painstaking time and forethought. My hat is off to you sir.

[87roach]

Nice! I would put flat black mesh behind the bumper grille.. would look cleaner, imo.

Well there is no longer a grill haha.. and space is pretty tight so we'll see what I can do.


Looking good my man, looking good! IMHO Your build has been, well drag ass. But! I say "but" on it's own for a reason. I admire you're superb attention to detail and the details take painstaking time and forethought. My hat is off to you sir.

Thank you very much! I'm sure you know all about the painstaking time and one-off's that are needed to make thing's work :D

[Hash_man_Se_i]

Looking good as always!... I really like the look of that mishimoto intercooler, should look good mounted in there.

Keep up the good work!

[89jdmaccord]

any updates???

[89T]

bump!

[89jdmaccord]

bump what's the latest

[87roach]

I haven't done much in the past few weeks, a bit here and there and some gathering of parts(the usual).

An update:

This was pretty ugly, the middle hole on the flange was about the only good thing.. so I trimmed it up and put on a piece of pipe. I just have to make a gasket for it.

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After all of the fab work is done for the plumbing it'll get sent off to paint.

A20 *standard* spark plug wire holder(around here haha), spaced it out how I wanted it, drilled the mounting hole(I ended up using two of those spacers). I also drilled out the plastic holes to be larger and just generally cleaned it up.

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Got some DEI covers since they were on sale

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Mounted

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Putting the wires in..

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I got the lengths where I wanted them and then proceeded to cut the wires

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Continued..

[87roach]

I don't like the blue so this was my fix.. I hope it lasts at least a while but who knows. It look's good for now :D

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This was the hard part, I managed to get them all done though.

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Way better!

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Also, how the intake pipe goes

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Once most of this stuff comes back after paint it's really going to look awesome. The bumper is also done and drying.. I'll take pictures after that. Time to move onto the plumbing!

[89jdmaccord]

bump for awesome updates and because race car this thing is gonna be so sick when its done you better take some vids of it

[obdriver6]

NICE! You sure pay attention to every little detail!

[89jdmaccord]

pics of bumper lol

[Hazwan]

Mind if I steal the idea for the plug wires? :o I hate my yellow wires haha!

[Hazwan]

tf double post

[Fedor B.]

You're an artist!

[87roach]

NICE! You sure pay attention to every little detail!

I try, thank you.


pics of bumper lol

It's the metal part of the bumper, not the bumper cover. I will get some pictures of it in the next day or so, I am waiting for all the piping to be done before I cut up the bumper cover.


Mind if I steal the idea for the plug wires? :o I hate my yellow wires haha!

Go ahead! It'll look really good :D


You're an artist!

Thank you.

These next few weeks are busy, I hope to get the pipe fabrication done on the weekend.

[Pico]

You and your hatch are one of the few reasons I come back here and check in every once in awhile. If it wasn't for old members like you, I would never come back to check things out.
Excellent work Bro..I can't wait too see the final outcome when your done.
Roger

[89jdmaccord]

You and your hatch are one of the few reasons I come back here and check in every once in awhile. If it wasn't for old members like you, I would never come back to check things out.
Excellent work Bro..I can't wait too see the final outcome when your done.
Roger

x2 him and legend both

[ShyBoyCA6]

Roach what's the part number for the head gasket you used? Did you special order it?

[87roach]

You and your hatch are one of the few reasons I come back here and check in every once in awhile. If it wasn't for old members like you, I would never come back to check things out.
Excellent work Bro..I can't wait too see the final outcome when your done.
Roger

Well thank you very much Pico, that means a lot :D


x2 him and legend both

Thank you!


Roach what's the part number for the head gasket you used? Did you special order it?

Honda OEM, ordered from the stealership.

I got a bit of work done this weekend, measure this cut that, cut again, wait it doesn't line up, cut again and grind/sand, weld. I hope to finish the rest of it this week... we'll see how that goes! I will post some pictures when I get a chance.

[Hash_man_Se_i]

Excellent work as always! Your engine bay is really coming together nicely now.

[87roach]

Thanks.

Bumper finished up

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It turned out pretty good.

[87roach]

I didn't get any pictures of the fab work, that took a while.

Home made pressure test, pump in 20+ psi and then put soapy water on the welds. It worked well and once I found them I welded them up and repeated the test till no more leaks!

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Before a quick blast

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After

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BOV flange courtesy of my boss(cnc!)

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The piping turned out well too, thought I'm not super proud of the hot side.. at least I made it work and now it's ready for paint.

I ended up going with steel pipe instead of the aluminum kit, I was going to get someone else to weld it up once it was marked up but it would of been harder for me to get that done.

[Fedor B.]

Nice!!
When you're done, you have to make a video for us.

[87roach]

Nice!!
When you're done, you have to make a video for us.

I hope to, yes!

Finally, all of my AN fitting's came in.. took a long time but I can finally assemble the catch can now.

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Catch can materials(fitting's already welded on the can)

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Fuel line stuffs

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Now to get it on the car..

[A18A]

i like how you have a stereo mounted in your bench. that's cool lol

[obdriver6]

I'm sooo jelly!

[89jdmaccord]

I'm sooo jelly!

x2 especially the pic of the car with the bumper in front and all the piping in I'm sooooo pumped for vids of this thing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[ShyBoyCA6]

Excuse me 87Roach i have a couple questions to ask.

1.how much did you drill off the intake side for it to best mate? 1/8 or 1/4? sorry to bring it up so late ha ha.

2.Did you fill in the B16 old flange holes or left it as is?

wanna get some pointers from someone who has done fine work like yourself sir.

[gfrg88]

There's a DIY here somewhere.. I've done like 3 different ones..

[87roach]

Thanks for the comments.


Excuse me 87Roach i have a couple questions to ask.

1.how much did you drill off the intake side for it to best mate? 1/8 or 1/4? sorry to bring it up so late ha ha.

2.Did you fill in the B16 old flange holes or left it as is?

wanna get some pointers from someone who has done fine work like yourself sir.

If you look at all the pictures I posted, I have a before and after. I used the gasket to mark out the holes I needed to drill and trace the edge. You don't have to go crazy on it like I did, I just wanted it to look nice. Check out the how-to and check out the pictures I posted as well. It's pretty straight forward if you just want to slap it on.. I made sure everything lined up well with the ports on the gasket, intake manifold and head so it took me longer. You will also have to get it bored out(do this properly, take it to the shop), if you get a bigger TB then 64mm.

No more progress.. I've gotten a new job and it's taking up all my time so if I can do anything it will be on the weekends.

[MessyHonda]

progress has been nice

[87roach]

Thanks.

Went to grab my pipes from the powder coater today but didn't have the cash, I'll grab them monday and post pics.

[89T]

Jobs are oooover-rated!

[PALIN_OMSIN]

Is great & Beautiful WORKS,.............. You are my Idol >>> 87roach ^_^....

[2ndGenGuy]

Wow great workin' on all that stuff!

[87roach]

Thanks guys!

I do have an update since the last post, I hope to get some pictures up on the weekend :D

[89jdmaccord]

bump looking good there 87 roach im jealous

[87roach]

A bit more done:

Simple bracket made to hold the catch can.

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Placement.

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Welded and painted(I ground all metal to be welded before hand, then painted).

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New fuel filter, I cleaned up the stock line and bolts and also painted them black. Also new AN fittings and line.

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Got these back and put them on!

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I like orange.

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As she sits right now..

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I'll have the valve cover finished this week and the oil lines for it too, after that she'll be looking spiffy. I think that will be most of the major stuff.. just a lot of little thing's now.

[MessyHonda]

so clean. you could eat off it

[gfrg88]

Might if missed it in here, what Turbo is that? Looks tiny!

I'm jelly. Keep up the good work man!!

[obdriver6]

CLEAN!!!.......Is the valve cover gonna be orange too?

[Hash_man_Se_i]

wow.... Looking damn good!... So close to completion too!

[Dr_Snooz]

What a beautiful build! You're even painting all the little fittings. That's true love right there.

[87roach]

Might if missed it in here, what Turbo is that? Looks tiny!

I'm jelly. Keep up the good work man!!

Warner-ishi 5it-21 from a thunderbird, it might be small but I don't want something that I can't manage.


What a beautiful build! You're even painting all the little fittings. That's true love right there.

You're talking about the AN fitting's I assume?

I actually ordered them in black because I can't stand the red or blue, but thank you.

[87roach]

Thank you for the comments!


CLEAN!!!.......Is the valve cover gonna be orange too?

There has been a delay and I will get it next week.. I hope.

As for your question.. maybe :D


wow.... Looking damn good!... So close to completion too!

Thanks man!

[2ndGenGuy]

Man, every little part is so neat and clean. I bet you could wear a white labcoat, slacks, and white gloves and not even get dirty in there! Great work!

[87roach]

Thank you John, more updates soon.

[89jdmaccord]

more updates soon.

bump for updates

[Fedor B.]

Breathtaking!


In Holland we like orange too: http://benovici.ch/wp-includes/images/2008/bundesplatz/Fanzone_Bundesplatz_03.jpg

[87roach]

Wow, that's awesome!

[87roach]

Getting closer..

I couldn't weld this back on so this was my fix:

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RTV

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Screws/washers/loctite(I had to drill and tap them)

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Bungs welded on and blasted

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I think most of the major stuff is done now..

I polished up the catch can, put in the drain/level fittings, stuffed it with steel wool and got in on. I made the lines for it too, unfortunately I wasn't able to get the -10 45 in black(unless I wanted to wait for 8 weeks), I however was able to get the black/silver next day so I went with that.. kinda sucks but it'll work.

I've got to run some vacuum lines, attach the throttle cable.. a bunch of little stuff, chip the ecu, put fluids in... almost there :D

[gfrg88]

detailed pics on catch can? please.


Keep up the awesome work, man! :thumbup:

[ShyBoyCA6]

clean clean. you clean freak haha. good work dude cant wait to see some vids and dyno?

[87roach]

detailed pics on catch can? please.


Keep up the awesome work, man! :thumbup:

What do you want pictures of? I posted pictures of the can before, I then bought the bungs(-10), hogged out the holes so they could get welded in. Drilled and tapped a hole in the bottom for a drain fitting (1/8 npt), polished it, put the tube on the front(oil level) then stuffed in coarse steel wool into it through the bung(baffle).

If you want closer pictures I can get those.


clean clean. you clean freak haha. good work dude cant wait to see some vids and dyno?

Thanks man, I do plan on getting vids and dyno but I don't know where yet..

[import racer]

Hey man if you welded the tube up on the oil pan how does it vent?

[Hash_man_Se_i]

Holy crap that's sexy! Great looking engine bay!

[gfrg88]

Pics of the Plumbing to the back of the block is what I'm looking for. Love the orange btw

[-$MOKIN-]

wow ........ . you did it this time !!
SUPER CLEAN .:rockon:

[87roach]

Thank you for the positive feedback :D


Pics of the Plumbing to the back of the block is what I'm looking for. Love the orange btw

There is no line to the back of the block, I just capped where the oil separator goes into the block with a freeze plug(go a couple pages back), if it is a problem down the road I will address it then. I want to see how this works first. I am also told this will be adequate.

I'm loving the orange too hehe.

[gp02a0083]

Thank you for the positive feedback :D



There is no line to the back of the block, I just capped where the oil separator goes into the block with a freeze plug(go a couple pages back), if it is a problem down the road I will address it then. I want to see how this works first. I am also told this will be adequate.

I'm loving the orange too hehe.

after i had the issue with the pcv system and stuff, you will be fine as long as that line runs to a catch can of some type and is hooked up to the pcv valve and intake. The oil catch box is attached to the back of the block so that oil vapors and oil can be collected and drained back into the crankcase.

[gfrg88]

Never heard of anyone running without any ventilation for crankcase..

[89jdmaccord]

bump for one of, if not, the cleanest hatches i have ever seen.

im loving the orange...

what color orange is that?

[AccordB20A]

engine bay looks real good. tidy as!

[Hazwan]

Oooh clean ftw (Y)

[87roach]

Thanks!

It's all about how fast the blow-by can vent, I would of liked to have used a larger air vent for the can but I had it and wanted to use it. I don't want to have a drain back into the engine, that's the whole point of me doing this. I would of liked to have done the slash tube and such but I want to make sure all this stuff works! If I have to I might fab up a fitting(where the freeze plug is) to go to another can or put a "T" in one of the catch can lines with a one way check valve. I should of also put more of a baffle in front of the one tube but oh well, I'll just have to make sure to keep the oil topped up.

I'm super tempted to just fire it up... ahhh

[cygnus x-1]

Thanks!

It's all about how fast the blow-by can vent, I would of liked to have used a larger air vent for the can but I had it and wanted to use it. I don't want to have a drain back into the engine, that's the whole point of me doing this. I would of liked to have done the slash tube and such but I want to make sure all this stuff works! If I have to I might fab up a fitting(where the freeze plug is) to go to another can or put a "T" in one of the catch can lines with a one way check valve. I should of also put more of a baffle in front of the one tube but oh well, I'll just have to make sure to keep the oil topped up.

I'm super tempted to just fire it up... ahhh


The crank case is connected to the valve cover by 3 oil drain holes in the head, so there can be some vapor flow. But you need a pressure difference to create that flow. For example, have the crank case vented to open air through a breather filter (at the oil pan or block) and then use manifold vacuum (through a PCV valve or some kind of restrictor and catch can) to create a negative pressure under the valve cover. That way fresh air flows into the crank case, up into the valve cover, and out to the catch can (where the oil stays). Any remaining vapor will go back into the intake to be burned with the air/fuel. Venting at the valve cover *only* will allow vapor to escape but the flow rate will be limited to however much blow by there is past the piston rings. OR, if you manage to create enough of a vacuum in the crank case it will also start pulling outside air in through the cam/crank seals. Having a negative crank case pressure is actually helpful in that it reduces the amount of air that the backs of the pistons have to push around*, but it's bad if the cam/crank seals blow out (or in).

I really like your idea of removing that lame breather box on the block though. The idea of that box is reasonable but it would work better if it was farther away from the block. For maximum effectiveness you need to cool down the crankcase gases so that any vapor can condense out before it makes its way back into the intake. That box is too close to the block and will absorb too much heat. The foam insulator around it eventually breaks down too, making that box even less effective.


C|


* Google for "negative crankcase pressure". It's interesting reading.

[obdriver6]

This has to be one of the cleanest builds! How long before it fires up?

[AccordEpicenter]

I love this build. You should go to at least 10-12psi boost. Maybe even 13-14 if tuned good. Id warn against hooking the pcv back into the intake, it lowers the octane of the incoming air/fuel charge and can lead to detonation. I just vent it to the air.

[89T]

Jason hit the nail on the head. If you do a slash cut in the exhaust be sure to get a check valve. summit sells the whole kit. If not the 80's Camaro TPI has them on their air system. I have 2 if you need one. When you do the exhaust slash cut I'd run a sealed catch can with it. You dont need to, but it will filter it so you dont end up with a bunch of crap in you'r exhaust.

[Tdurr]

yes.

[87roach]

Well thank you for the feedback, I appreciate it. I have to make the system work with what I already have in place so I will be doing some more research.. this whole thing has had me certain of what I wanted to do, and then at other times I am totally and utterly confused. So now I have to figure out where I hook the slash-cut(vacuum) to and the fresh air from, since I want it to be drawn into the tank, ahhhh. Help :)

I'd like to get or make one of these:

http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb161/bandrfittings/d-seriesbp.jpg

[cygnus x-1]

Well thank you for the feedback, I appreciate it. I have to make the system work with what I already have in place so I will be doing some more research.. this whole thing has had me certain of what I wanted to do, and then at other times I am totally and utterly confused. So now I have to figure out where I hook the slash-cut(vacuum) to and the fresh air from, since I want it to be drawn into the tank, ahhhh. Help :)


From what I understand of your system so far, I think you're most of the way there. Remove the breather from the catch can and put it on the oil pan or back of the block (kinda the same thing really). That's where the fresh air goes into the system. Then connect the open port on the catch can to the slash cut tube on the exhaust, with a check valve right before the slash cut tube. Done.

So if you look at the whole plow path it looks like this:

Fresh outside air -> breather filter on oil pan/block -> mix with crank case gases in oil pan -> push up in to the valve cover -> go out the valve cover port -> into the catch can where oil/water vapor condenses out and collects -> air goes out through the port -> to the slash cut tube in the exhaust -> and then back out the tail pipe.


Optional: drain collected oil/water from catch can and make engine sludge smoothie. Enjoy!




I'd like to get or make one of these:


http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb161/bandrfittings/d-seriesbp.jpg


Easy. Drill a hole in a freeze plug and install a bulkhead type AN fitting. Press freeze plug into block. Instant threaded port. It would probably be a good idea to peen the block a bit around the plug to keep it from pulling out. Or maybe use some kind of sealer. Better yet, tap the hole in the block for a suitable size threaded fitting. Not sure what that would be though.


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[gfrg88]

Fire her up already!!!! :D

[87roach]

From what I understand of your system so far, I think you're most of the way there. Remove the breather from the catch can and put it on the oil pan or back of the block (kinda the same thing really). That's where the fresh air goes into the system. Then connect the open port on the catch can to the slash cut tube on the exhaust, with a check valve right before the slash cut tube. Done.

So if you look at the whole flow path it looks like this:

Fresh outside air -> breather filter on oil pan/block -> mix with crank case gases in oil pan -> push up in to the valve cover -> go out the valve cover port -> into the catch can where oil/water vapor condenses out and collects -> air goes out through the port -> to the slash cut tube in the exhaust -> and then back out the tail pipe.

Optional: drain collected oil/water from catch can and make engine sludge smoothie. Enjoy!

Easy. Drill a hole in a freeze plug and install a bulkhead type AN fitting. Press freeze plug into block. Instant threaded port. It would probably be a good idea to peen the block a bit around the plug to keep it from pulling out. Or maybe use some kind of sealer. Better yet, tap the hole in the block for a suitable size threaded fitting. Not sure what that would be though.


C|

Ahh thank you very much for the solution! After I had thought about it for a while I was leaning towards something like this, but then I had read about the slash cut needing to be a certain distance from the manifold which made me wonder more. I will just have the cut in the exhaust right after the downpipe connection(does it really matter..? as long as it's within a decent margin).

I only wish I had made the tank differently now but I already have quite a bit invested into it so I'll make it work..

Also, tapping the block would be the best plan.. but I am a little late for that haha. I think what I am going to do is make up some sort of fitting and get a larger air intake on there so it won't have a problem. Get the slash cut in the exhaust(that isn't made yet..) with the check valve run to the top of the tank like you said. Is there a certain check valve that would be best? I know of fuel/air ones but it's going to get damn hot.

Thank you again, I really appreciate it!

I hope to start it in the new year after I work these kinks out :D

[Tdurr]

If u can figure out what size the plug is on our blocks u can get one off eBay.

Edit: sooo I deff missed the 2nd page so don't worry about wut I said haha

[jbabb]

if you feel like some more custom fab you could go and get some pipe and scrap, make a bracket, cut an o-ring groove on the pipe weld together run a die on the outside then bolt the bracket to the bolt hole next to it. more evasive but with extra life's so to speak.

[A18A]

The pistons on the rear calipers actually screw in and out. To get them out they are screwed out. They are very hard to push in since the mechanism inside spins and pushes the piston out vice versa. Anyways nice workshop, and nice project car!

lol i didn't know this, and here i was throwing away a bunch of calipers cause i thought they where siezed haha

[Rendon LX-i]

I know what your breather set up your doing now. Same one I'm doing for my LSV . I kind of wounded if that fitting would fit that a series port if you would tap it. Interesting .

[87roach]

I know what your breather set up your doing now. Same one I'm doing for my LSV . I kind of wounded if that fitting would fit that a series port if you would tap it. Interesting .

I tried to understand this but you really lost me.

I have a good idea of what I'll be doing to complete the system.. I just have to find the time for it.

[Rendon LX-i]

What I'm saying is the b series has 2 plugs on the back of the block . They have a kit that replaces those with a fitting o run a hose an from that hose you can put to catch can. Also gives you the plug to take your Oem catch can out. Basically what I was saying if that fitting would fit the a20s

[87roach]

That plug I posted above is $35, I don't recall seeing any specs on the size of it(I think it was -12 though). I'd have to measure a B block to see if it was the same size as an A, perhaps you can take a measurement of the diameter and depth? (for the B)

All I am going to do is cut off the black box, keep the insert, weld a piece of pipe onto it for the air filter and bolt it on with the stock fitting. I think some sort of inner baffle might be needed in the pipe. I wish I had done this before attaching everything on the motor but I'll make it happen. I'd like to start this beauty in january!

[87roach]

I haven't worked on the car for what feels like a while.. I got some more fitting's on order but I'm going to have to modify the can before I can go ahead with that. Last night I wired in the stereo harness, not much but I am happy to get it out of the way :D

[12v]

Sick photos, you honestly are a 3rd gen legend haha

[89jdmaccord]

bump it up anything new on this build??

[87roach]

No updates unfortunately, I do have everything to finish the catch can system but I have been busy with work and can't get the can to the welders. I would really like to make some progress because I bought a new project! :D Also, the hatch is just really close to being able to run..

[89T]

What's up! thread bump.

[87roach]

Hmm not too much, I really want to get the car going but funds are strapped for a few months. It's insanity what some shops around here charge for welding, it's really like they don't want business at all. Anyway, I am just waiting to pick up the can so I can refit it and then fab up the slash cut tube and line to it.. after that it's just a few thing's along with oil and coolant.

This is why thing's have slowed down, my newest purchase :D

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a69/roach_cato/mini/mini01.jpg

eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!

I've always wanted one, and I've already been thinking of plans for it!

[Tomisimo]

Wow, this have changed, havent seen in your thread for ages. I'm impressed with your work and the way you approach the work. Do it once, do it right. Cant wait to see it run.

The Mini's are fun to drive. maybe the best car experience one could have. Is there any chance you had this (http://vtec.minimania.com/) in mind?

[87roach]

Wow, this have changed, havent seen in your thread for ages. I'm impressed with your work and the way you approach the work. Do it once, do it right. Cant wait to see it run.

The Mini's are fun to drive. maybe the best car experience one could have. Is there any chance you had this (http://vtec.minimania.com/) in mind?

Thank you for the comment!

I have thought about the vtec, but honestly it is/can be a lot of money and work/time.. I really just want to drive it and not have it sit in the garage for a few years while I scrape the funds together. So my objective is to keep it clean and freshen it up, get some new fancy upgrades, have fun and drive drive drive!

[Tdurr]

Noice sir. Likin the money

[A18A]

It's insanity what some shops around here charge for welding, it's really like they don't want business at all.

lol got that right. I was quoted $50 just to add a bit of weld from a diff pin to its cage, with no guarantee of it lasting since it was cast. anyway the mini looks like a fun little car!

[obdriver6]

A mini, NICE! Looks like fun car to drive!

[Fedor B.]

Nice car dude!

Did you saw the mini in this thread? http://www.3geez.com/forum/showthread.php?t=74749

[Rendon LX-i]

mini cooper = b series swap. DONT LIE LOL. do it

[87roach]

lol got that right. I was quoted $50 just to add a bit of weld from a diff pin to its cage, with no guarantee of it lasting since it was cast. anyway the mini looks like a fun little car!

Ugh. I hope to one day be able to get myself a tig so I can avoid having to get someone to charge retarded amounts, and save my friends some of the same pain when possible.


A mini, NICE! Looks like fun car to drive!

It's fun :D


Nice car dude!

Did you saw the mini in this thread? http://www.3geez.com/forum/showthread.php?t=74749

I just checked it out, very cool.


mini cooper = b series swap. DONT LIE LOL. do it

It would be awesome no doubt but I won't be doing it any time soon.. there is no room to work on it as is with the a series engine.. and those honda b swaps leave nothing at all! I have been looking at a lot of swaps and build threads and it's very cool. There is absolutely anything you want available for the mini, it's so awesome.

I hope to work on the hatch this weekend, update pending after.

[87roach]

Okay, so I finally got outside and got some work done. It's been a while but it was nice to make some progress, I almost forgot what I was doing :(

So I picked up the can from the rip off welder and got it polished up, assembled, and mounted back in the engine bay. After that I got to work on the exhaust slash cut, once I figured out the rough placement of the check valve I started fabbing up the exhaust for it. I mounted up the flex joint and trimmed it a bit to be on the correct angle for the tunnel and then welded it to the flange. Once this was done I roughly placed the resonators so I could get some measurements, after much cutting and going under the car I managed to get it done.

So this is the ford check valve that I picked up, which is pretty much the same as the moroso kit(which I did not buy because I only needed the tube and valve).
http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a69/roach_cato/wip321.jpg

So here is the flex joint and the next part of the pipe just inside of it(not welded yet).
http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a69/roach_cato/wip322.jpg

I am going to run the hose above the sway bar, this was probably the best option because the hose was short and without problem.
http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a69/roach_cato/wip323.jpg

The can that cost me a shit load.
http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a69/roach_cato/wip324.jpg

The 180 fitting did not come in black so I painted it, hope it lasts a while because I really don't like the red and blue for this setup!
http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a69/roach_cato/wip325.jpg

I think I would of made the can differently should I have known how to run it properly in the first place, ah well it turned out good and I learned from it.

So after this I decided to start testing out the electrical, I removed all the fuses and plugged in the battery. I put in the radio fuse in first and went from there, but avoiding the engine ones(for now). It was all going well until the battery didn't have enough jam for anything, so that job was cut short.. and it's going to be a while I think before I can afford another one :( I may use the mini one in the mean time but the leads are so short I don't think it's possible.

I now have to make the fitting for the air breather to go on the back of the block, that will be the next job, I only need to get a small section of 1" tubing for that.

I also did some work on the mini since the signals weren't flicking off when coming out of a turn, got that fixed!

[obdriver6]

Nice catch can.........wait, is that a silver fitting on that hose, SIN!!!! jk lol

stupid question but whats the FORD check valve for?

[89T]

So, you had the catch can made? right..

great exicution of the entire car.

[87roach]

Nice catch can.........wait, is that a silver fitting on that hose, SIN!!!! jk lol

stupid question but whats the FORD check valve for?

I know about the silver fitting :( I'll paint it too haha.

The valve is so that the exhaust will only suck air through the can instead of pushing exhaust up it.


So, you had the catch can made? right..

great exicution of the entire car.

Well, greddy made the can but I modified it haha, although I could of made one for cheaper probably.. oh well. I hope to one day to be able to get the tools needed for those types of things!

I appreciate the comment's guys! I have to go to the junk yard at some point to look at some accords, I think I may have wired the alternator wrong but I don't know.. I'll have to pull the dash out to double check.

[dieselgus]

Looks good!

If you do need anything smaller tig welded (aluminum or steel), feel free to toss it in a box with a few Lauriers or a Queen Lizzie and send it on down to the 604 and I would be happy to do it for you.

[Susanoo]

I appreciate the comment's guys! I have to go to the junk yard at some point to look at some accords, I think I may have wired the alternator wrong but I don't know.. I'll have to pull the dash out to double check.

Why are you checking the electrical system so closely and what makes you think you wired the alt wrong?...I hope you didnt cross the intake air temp sensor with the white and red wire from the alt...lol i almost did.

[87roach]

Looks good!

If you do need anything smaller tig welded (aluminum or steel), feel free to toss it in a box with a few Lauriers or a Queen Lizzie and send it on down to the 604 and I would be happy to do it for you.

Hey I appreciate the offer, I just might take you up on that some time!


Why are you checking the electrical system so closely and what makes you think you wired the alt wrong?...I hope you didnt cross the intake air temp sensor with the white and red wire from the alt...lol i almost did.

I am checking it closely because there have been many modifications done, and I want to make sure thing's check out instead of turning the key over and hoping nothing melts. I figured out what I thought was the problem(mixed up the eld location), I won't be able to confirm it until I get a new battery though. I think I'll go outside today and work on a couple small projects in the mean time.

[89T]

Bump for a good guy! Anything new?

[87roach]

Thanks man.

I keep going to the store to price things out..

I also think I am going to go with moates demon and neptune.. the thing is I already own the moates honda tuning kit. I'd really prefer to have the all in one demon instead of all this other stuff hanging about, so maybe I'll sell it off so I can break even'ish. So maybe I'll try to sell some stuff to try and get this moving along..

I want to drive already!

[87roach]

I bought coolant and oil, and some extra bits. I also cut up the black box and got a breather on there now... going to try and fire it up tomorrow night!

[89T]

You cant go wrong with the neptune. pm me you'r email and I'll send you a base map fur boost.

[obdriver6]

Make sure to take lots of vids!

[Tdurr]

Yesssss

[87roach]

You cant go wrong with the neptune. pm me you'r email and I'll send you a base map fur boost.

I will, that's great!!

Well, she was a no go.

Got everything in the cabin working, blower, windows, etc. however.. in the engine bay the aem fuel stuff decided to leak enough to be a pain the ass and lose fuel pressure slowly. I tried to tighten everything down and change out the washers(provided by aem, aluminum) to copper ones, it got better but still leaks where the fuel line comes into the rail and then the FPR base. Well, the cylinders were getting fuel regardless but there is no spark, there is no power going to the coil(black/yellow wire has nothing) and I am not sure why.. it looks like I have to tear apart the wiring to figure it out. Ugh!

[Tdurr]

Noooooo. Check the obd1 harness and make sure u have the ignitor wires hooked Ed correctly. If not ull get no spark.

[87roach]

great exicution of the entire car.

Thank you!


Noooooo. Check the obd1 harness and make sure u have the ignitor wires hooked Ed correctly. If not ull get no spark.

Have you got some colours for me to check?

I am going away for a week on vacation so there won't be any updates till I get back.. I want to get her running!!

[Fedor B.]

And? Any sparks?

[87roach]

Nope.. not yet, I still have to poke around. I hope to do some tests on sunday and make sure thing's are correct. I followed the instructions correctly for the MSD box, so I am wondering if it's bad? I don't know.. I am hoping I just missed something simple haha.

[87roach]

Well.. after poking around I have figured a few things out but I am still at a blank.

First, the MSD box is getting battery power and ground. The red and white are hooked up correctly and I have tested for power at the MSD box itself and the distributor. However.. there is no power coming from the orange wire that goes to the coil(or the black for that matter).

I have been testing this all on key turn two(and off to make sure it goes off).

Do you think the MSD box could be bad? Did I miss something? I have everything in order.. I just want to start my car :(

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b351/Wendy_girl/car%20stuffs/MSD.jpg

[RAZR]

Your sure you have the switch wire connected?
And have you tryed unplugging the plug and plugging it again? maybe a bad connection

[87roach]

If by switch you mean the black/yellow, then yes I am sure it is connected. I have tried unplugging what I can and no change.

I have another MSD box, it's older but I think I will try testing with it anyway.. if that doesn't work then I'm not really sure where to go.

Thanks for the tip.

[jbabb]

does it have a cam censer in the dizzy if so make sure your resistance vales are correct
and is it the same style coil from before you went obd1?

[87roach]

I don't know the resistant values, hmm.

The coil was stock before it last ran, I then changed to the MSD 6A and a blaster coil.

Tonight I tried another MSD box and another coil. I disconnected the original box and hooked up the other one, still no spark. I tried it with the other blaster coil and nothing. There is no power(with the key on) to either black or orange coming from either MSD box, however... when I disconnect the MSD box I installed in the car(no battery power and no ground, but still red and white hooked up), there is power to the orange and black.

Sounds pretty confusing but the end result is still the same... no spark. I'm not sure where to go from here.. try to reinstall the stock coil? Maybe wiring to do with the distributor?

[Tdurr]

I would get rid of the msd box all together. If ur obd1 just get a solid tune on the car and u wont have to deal with this headache.

[89T]

What tim said is correct, You dont need the msd box. Just use the external blaster coil and a good tune. I have not forgot about you on the base map. I just havent had time lately.

[87roach]

Okay, thanks for the tips guys.

I always wondered if it was needed or not..

I think the question still stands though as to which I hook up to the coil(which to positive which to negative, are any resistors needed, etc.). So if I delete the MSD box, the only thing left will be the two Black/Yellow(which are joined together), and the two Blue(which are also joined together). Since the wiring is no longer stock.. that's where it leaves me. I'll wait to hear back before I go hooking up the wrong things!

Thanks again.

No rush on the basemap, I won't be able to purchase the demon until next month anyway.

[Tdurr]

Yup all u have to do is hook those wires to the external coil and u could fire her up.

[87roach]

Positive and negative don't matter?

I want to fire her up really bad haha but maybe I'll take a look at a few threads first.

I hope to post with good news shortly..

[87roach]

Well... no dice.

I hooked up the blacks and blues to the coil and nothing... I tried a different coil and nothing.. There is power coming from both the wires with the key on but nothing at the terminal at any point, and nothing to the spark plugs.

So I'm at a loss... and open to suggestions, apparently I have missed something.

[jbabb]

the black/yellow should be going through the coil to the icm and the blue wire should be your tac also going trough your coil also check the ground at the icm

[jbabb]

:bandit:

[89T]

Post up your pinout or check it against mine .

[87roach]

the black/yellow should be going through the coil to the icm and the blue wire should be your tac also going trough your coil also check the ground at the icm

I will have to check this and make sure. When I was wiring the new coil in I was confused as to where that ground/resistor(black wire from the distributor going to a small black box and then grounded) thing when, I believe I just ended up grounding the wire and getting rid of the small black box. I will go through and double check the connections again.


Post up your pinout or check it against mine .

You'd have to post yours because I don't know mine haha. /shrug

[89T]

here you go.

http://www.3geez.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1030003&postcount=291

[Tdurr]

Add that post to the how to obd1 swap thread.

[87roach]

So I've been testing and testing, looking around etc.

I looked this up and went through it:

http://easyautodiagnostics.com/honda_distributor_coil/honda_coil_outside_1.php

I made the LED tool and everything(an older broken power tester, so that worked out well). I have power where I'm suppose to at the igniter(black/yellow, and the blue), but I don't have the black/white wire(I believe this is the green wire in the distributor which turns into a black on my harness, that I think I ended up just grounding) that sends the signal to the coil? So when it asks to test signal(get a flashing light on the LED tester), I never get it at any point.. So I'm not getting the signal from the ICM to tell the coil to turn on?

I was at the junkyard looking for igniters(all stripped), and the setup for a 92-93 looks a bit different. So what I am currently concerned about is this(took this from another thread):

"3rd wire from factory harness is a small black/yellow wire that goes into a condersor......labelled as "136 A 250-0.47". and comes out a small black wire that is grounded to the distributor body. When 12 volts is on the positive side of the coil, the wire going into the condensor has 12 volts...the black wire
coming out the condensor that is grounded to the distributor body has nothing. I tried swapping condensors....it still tests 12 volts coming in, nothing coming out the small black wire. PLugs on the condensor are male/female so they cannot be plugged in backwards."

http://www.3geez.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1046417&postcount=1

So, I no longer have this since I assumed it wasn't needed.. is this my problem? Does the 12v power come from the coil too? Do I hook this back up?

The condenser is the little black box pictured in this thread:

http://www.3geez.com/forum/showthread.php?t=72625

I'm going to run through the test I posted again and write down my results, I'm getting a bit confused but slowly figuring it out.

[MessyHonda]

my tunner told me to take out the msd box i had so i sold it. i remember a member here had one burn up and left him on the side of the road

[89T]

The condenser is just a radio noise suppressor. Not needed, I removed mine. And yes you need to run the black/yellow to the coil also for a switched source.

[87roach]

No spark yet.

I have torn apart my wiring to make sure that the black/yellows are connected, they are(and going to coil +). I have also made sure that the blues are connected and going to coil -. I also made a direct wire from a21/a22 to the igniter and no change there. So I am thinking it could be a distributor problem from another sensor?

So the green wire from the igniter goes to the coil positive side?

I have tried all this, including a new igniter and still nothing! Maybe the coil is bad..? The only other thing that it might be is when I merged my obd1 harness to the stock harness, I could have messed up a connection there.. I'm doubting it but at this point I think it's possible. I'm going to look at the obd1 thread and see if I can figure anything out from there..

[89T]

Text me pictures of the coil, and wiring.so I can get a better idea of what you have going on.

[87roach]

Hm, apparently the green(black/white?) should be going to the negative side of the coil. I was just looking at some MSD help topics and that's how they install it on the 92 accord.

I will get a hold of you soon I hope, thank you for your continued help!

[jbabb]

hope it works out

[87roach]

Well, I have tried a couple of different things but still no spark...hmm.

So yesterday I went back outside to check the wires again, this time I tried hooking up the other blaster coil I have to see if it would make a difference. I connect the black/yellows to the positive and the blues(and green from distributor) to the negative, turn the key to crank the engine over and no spark from the spark tester(hooked up to wire from the coil).

So, I turn the key to the on position to test for power again and it's all still the same. However, I mistakenly prodded the yellow/green signal wire with the power tester and the light did NOT come on.. however when I pulled the prod out of the wire there was a SPARK from the spark tester... This is with the key in the on position, not cranking. I did it a few times and every time I pull the prod out of the yellow wire the spark tester sparks... so the coil appears to be working but we think that maybe a sensor is out(what one?) or the ecu isn't communicating with the distributor. I did however run a different wire for the signal(yellow/green), I think I will try again and see if I can get anything working.

Thoughts anyone?

[cygnus x-1]

The probe you're using is grounding the coil, causing it to charge. Then when you remove it the coil discharges through the high voltage side, which is exactly what it's supposed to do. It sounds like you have a bad ignitor, or the ignitor is not being triggered. This green wire from the distributor is connected to the ignitor right? In a normal A20 distributor the ignitor would be triggered from the 4 tooth wheel (in the distributor), but with OBD1 it would be triggered by the ECU. You won't really be able to test the ignitor with a test light since the pulse from it will be too fast to see. A scope would be best. Although you might be able to see the pulse with an old analog type volt meter by watching for a blip in the needle. The output of the ignitor is a "ground" though, so you would connect the positive lead of the meter to the + side of the battery and the negative meter lead to the output of the ignitor (disconnect the ignitor from the coil). While cranking the engine, blips on the meter would show that the ignitor is firing.

You will almost certainly need a scope to test the ECU output to the ignitor as it's a rather fast low voltage signal.

C|




So, I turn the key to the on position to test for power again and it's all still the same. However, I mistakenly prodded the yellow/green signal wire with the power tester and the light did NOT come on.. however when I pulled the prod out of the wire there was a SPARK from the spark tester... This is with the key in the on position, not cranking. I did it a few times and every time I pull the prod out of the yellow wire the spark tester sparks... so the coil appears to be working but we think that maybe a sensor is out(what one?) or the ecu isn't communicating with the distributor. I did however run a different wire for the signal(yellow/green), I think I will try again and see if I can get anything working.

Thoughts anyone?

[87roach]

Thanks for the reply!

http://econtent.autozone.com:24991/znetrgs/repair_guide_content/en_us/images//0900c152/80/05/f3/ba//medium/0900c1528005f3ba.gif

http://www.justanswer.com/honda/1j982-own-92-honda-accord-problem-started-maybe-month.html (image taken from here, I have also followed this test, not the ohm one yet though..)

In this diagram, the yellow/black is coming from the coil positive. The blue wire is coming from the coil negative, as is the green wire. The yellow/green is the signal wire coming from the ECU which are a21/a22 joined into a single wire then to the igniter.

In regards to the scope.. no I don't have one and no the test light does not work for this particular test, you're right. I also don't have an analog volt meter. I did however make this test light which I think is suppose to be something similar?

http://easyautodiagnostics.com/tools_led_light/images/image_2.jpg

"The LED is polarity specific, so you have to connect the red alligator clip to the voltage source indicated in the FAST TEST article and the black alligator clip to the control source (be it the ignition module/igniter or ECM or ground)"


For the Igniter (Ignition Control Module) to start activating the Ignition Coil, it needs to receive a Triggering Signal from the Accord or Prelude's Fuel Injection Computer. So in this test, you're gonna' check to see if the ECM (Electronic Control Module = Fuel Injection Computer) is generating and sending the Triggering Signal to the Igniter.

The test you're about to do is accomplished with an LED Light. You can not use a 12 Volt Test Light to verify the presence of the Triggering Signal. You can use a Multimeter that is able to read Hertz (Hz) frequency since the signal has to be measured in Hertz. The following test assumes that you're using an LED Light.

1. With an appropriate tool (like a wire-piercing probe) pierce the Yellow with Green stripe wire of the 7 wire Distributor connector.

2. Remember, this test is done with both connectors connected.

3. Place the RED lead of the LED to a 12 Volt power source.

4. Connect the BLACK lead of the LED to the tool that's piercing the Yellow with Green stripe wire.

5. Have your assistant crank the Civic while you observe the LED Light.

If the Triggering Signal is present, the LED Light will light on and off continuously as long as your assistant is cranking the engine.(this has not happened, it's more like a constantly lit LED but dim)

You're gonna' get one of the 2 results: (1) The LED light will flash ON and OFF or (2) The LED Light will NOT flash ON and OFF. Let's analyze each result in more detail below:

If the LED light flashed ON and OFF while the engine was cranking, then the ECM is generating and sending the Triggering Signal to the Igniter (Ignition Control Module). Replace the Igniter.

Here's why: Up to this point you have verified that the Igniter is receiving 12 Volts (TEST 4) and that it's receiving the Triggering Signal. So then, since both signals are present, the Igniter HAS to create and send the Switching Signal for the Ignition Coil (which you have confirmed it's not in TEST 6). Therefore the Igniter is BAD.

If the LED light DID NOT flash ON and OFF while the engine was cranking, then the ECM is NOT generating and sending the Triggering Signal to the Igniter (Ignition Control Module). The most likely causes are either one or several of the Position Sensors within the Distributor have gone BAD or there's an open in this circuit.

Information taken from here: http://easyautodiagnostics.com/honda_distributor_coil/honda_coil_outside_5.php

Maybe it's as simple as the igniter being shot.. I think that will have to be the next thing I buy, not sure if I can afford a honda one though. Maybe I should just take a video of what I am seeing..

[cygnus x-1]

The LED thing might work but it may be hard to see it flashing. I would try putting the positive lead of the LED to the yel/grn wire and the negative to ground. See if it flashes during cranking. It may be dimly lit and flash off instead of constantly off and then flashing on. It depends on whether the signal from the ECU pulses low or high to trigger the ignitor. It could go either way.

VR sensors are pretty reliable. There isn't much that can go wrong with them because all they are is a coil of wire wrapped around a metal form. most likely you have a wiring issue or the ignitor is bad.

I wouldn't buy a Honda ignitor either. I think I would try NAPA or maybe Rockauto.

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[87roach]

Hmm I will have to try that, thanks.

I have to wait for funds to get a new igniter, once I get a new one I'll post what happens.. I'm hoping that's all that is bad.

[Hash_man_Se_i]

Any updates yet Andrew?>

[87roach]

Nope.. I pulled the hatch out of the garage to work on the mini. Pretty depressed I haven't figured it out with it being soo close, plus I don't have the funding for it.. probably not sure when I will.

[87roach]

Well, I tried a brand new igniter and...... no dice.

Going to revert back to the stock coil and hope it works.

[zapato86lxi]

sick ass hatch man