Labeledsk8r's 89 LX-i coupe update thread

[labeledsk8r]

Well its about time to get one of these started on my car... i wasn't able to keep track of some work that i have already done. i posted a thread when the car was first bought found here: http://www.3geez.com/forum/showthread.php?t=63806 . i wont repost the pics in this thread just due to laziness.

heres some random cell pics i have that were taken that just happen to have my car in it to get the ball rolling

My GF's civic and my accord (yes i work on D engines :( )
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y126/labeledsk8r/accordandcivic1.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y126/labeledsk8r/accordandcivic3.jpg

a random pic of danceing shoping carts with my car in the background
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y126/labeledsk8r/accordandcarts.jpg

So theres how I will start this off... I have updates already but I will save them for new posts and will get them posted asap

[Civic Accord Honda]

LOL at the danceing shoping carts!

[forrest89sei]

Looking Good :D you need a oem spoiler

[labeledsk8r]

thanks guys lol

i decided a few days ago i needed to do a coolent flush so i went and bought some things like:
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y126/labeledsk8r/fluids.jpg
and
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y126/labeledsk8r/radcap.jpg


so i start to drain it
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y126/labeledsk8r/accordfluiddrain.jpg


and end up getting this crap out of it
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y126/labeledsk8r/fluids2.jpg

it was some nasty crap... must not have been flushed in a long long time.... thats the problem of buying a used car...

heres a shot of the engine now after all that

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y126/labeledsk8r/engine2.jpg

[Civic Accord Honda]

yay ur car is peeing w00t
mine shoots dierria out the muffer :D

[Vanilla Sky]

MAN, you've gotta get that thing clean! If you can make it, I have one of those steamers, and they work wonders without soaking your engine bay.

And I still have those fog covers, if you haven't found any yet.

[Pico]

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y126/labeledsk8r/accordfluiddrain.jpg


Looking Sweet...and like CAH said your car is peeing

[blackcougar141]

I think I have a set of fog covers as well bro....if you need them, just cover shipping and their yours.

[labeledsk8r]

MAN, you've gotta get that thing clean! If you can make it, I have one of those steamers, and they work wonders without soaking your engine bay.

And I still have those fog covers, if you haven't found any yet.

oh i know... if you remember pics of my LX's engine bay you will know what i do to the bay.. i have so many leaks right now that it gets dirty within a day... so im doing one step at a time... infact engine bay will be worked on tomarrow along with the valve cover sitting next to me...

and no i still havent gotten covers i need to swing out there one day i just never get a damn day off work till today...

thanks for the comments guys

[MessyHonda]

cool now your motor will run cooler....

[labeledsk8r]

cool now your motor will run cooler....

indeed it kinda worried me as my buddie/roomate with the se-i (you can see it in the pic of my car pissing on the side) had his radiator blow up on him causeing some large parblems for him... so it scared me....

todays update is small...

i had a problem were my muffler would swing in the breeze or corner so i had a look

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y126/labeledsk8r/exhausthanger14-29-08.jpg

was missing the rubber hangers.. come to find out when the old owner had it painted they took them off and never replaced them lol

so forrest sold me some of these babys (thanks man)
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y126/labeledsk8r/exhausthanger24-29-08.jpg

and then put them on and all better
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y126/labeledsk8r/exhausthanger34-29-08.jpg

[Civic Accord Honda]

i have thos same ones from forrest :)

[labeledsk8r]

update time, my calipers were locking up so i figured it would be good to redo my front brakes, sadly i went with blanks for rotors but will go drilled next time. i used cheepo blanks with organic pads, reman calipers and Braided SS brake lines, heres some pics

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y126/labeledsk8r/brakes15-19-08.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y126/labeledsk8r/brakes25-19-08.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y126/labeledsk8r/brakes35-19-08.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y126/labeledsk8r/brakes45-19-08.jpg

it feels so nice to be on new brakes and have no problems :D feels much safer..


i allso ordered some i <3 my honda stickers for my accord and my girls civic (thanks monky!) so we went and washed the cars and took some pics here they are

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y126/labeledsk8r/accordsticker5-19-08.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y126/labeledsk8r/accordandcivic15-19-08.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y126/labeledsk8r/accordandcivic25-19-08.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y126/labeledsk8r/accord5-19-08.jpg


well there it is for now... and sorry for all the cell pics

[forrest89sei]

OMFG!!!! those lines are on a car!!!

From Sabz, to bitesize, to me, now to you on a car W00T!

New brakes look good, and pics are fine, there better then what most people post with a digi cam lol

:thumbup:

[86AccordLxi]

Don't get drilled. They just crack.

Blanks are fine! And car looks good.

Alex

[MessyHonda]

i have the EBC rotors and they are good....i even resurfaced them when i changed my pads again...plus they are zinc coated so they never rust
http://www.potn.co.uk/watermark1~POTN~images/ebc/turbogroove-425x425.jpg

[Vanilla Sky]

Wow. All you need is that set of foglight covers. One of these days...

If you're off this weekend, we have a pretty big thing going on here for Memorial Day. Lasts all weekend, good bands play throughout the whole fest. Might be cool to get you guys up here.

[Civic Accord Honda]

sweet! looks good and stoping FTW

[labeledsk8r]

Don't get drilled. They just crack.

Blanks are fine! And car looks good.

Alex

thanks. i have never seen anyone have problems , my buddy ran them for over a year on his se-i... i dunno its gonna be a while before i need to do brakes again. i dunno i just like the look of the drilleds... i know its rong to get parts for looks but meh lol


i have the EBC rotors and they are good....i even resurfaced them when i changed my pads again...plus they are zinc coated so they never rust
http://www.potn.co.uk/watermark1~POTN~images/ebc/turbogroove-425x425.jpg

do they have a plain drilled? not a fan of slots


Wow. All you need is that set of foglight covers. One of these days...

If you're off this weekend, we have a pretty big thing going on here for Memorial Day. Lasts all weekend, good bands play throughout the whole fest. Might be cool to get you guys up here.

yeah i work this weekend but i do want to swing out for those.. im off thurs and fri.. and then working again ... i hate my job lol


and just for the record the pic of the parts on the hood of an accord is not my accord lol thanks for the comments

[AccordB20A]

cool. coming along nicely :)

[A18A]

cool brakes :)

[2oodoor]

Don't get drilled. They just crack.

Blanks are fine! And car looks good.

Alex

I run them on crown vics and impalas at work and never had one crack, and believe me they take a beating. These cars are hot seated 24/7 . The CD rotors make the pads last a lot longer and resist warpage.

I suppose different manufacterers and vehicle specifi applications could play into the likelyhood of troubles.

Labeledsk8r you car is looking good

A18a and AccordB20a I was wondering what the... the other day I was going to reply to something one of you said but it was the other one.. the dam sigs mind fuck trick.. lol I just realized it when you posted side by side..im kinda slow huh

[markmdz89hatch]

Brakes look good. Props on the SS lines, they were definitely an improvement over stock.

As for rotors, I might as well add my 2¢ to this too. I have Brembo c/d rotors front and rear, and under normal to heavy street use, I highly doubt any decent quality c/d rotor will crack. That being said, don't just go buy blanks, drill some holes in them and expect them not to crack. They will.

The only time I've seen decent c/d rotors crack is under heavy track use. They dissipate heat better, but the drillings to weaken the structure a little. After a heavy track day, it's best to do some 'cool down' driving, where you allow the rotors to be heated down, instead of driving hard and heating the snot out of the rotor, then just parking it when you're done with your race. They will most likely fail prematurely.

If you like the look of c/d, but don't do much more then aggressive daily driving, I would consider going with dimpled and/or slotted rotors. Aggressive looks, and solid, but the dimplings and slots do still allow the gases and heat to escape effectively. (Of course there are plenty of arguments about the dimples actually causing gases to get trapped on the surface between the pad and reduce friction, thus reducing stopping power, but I have yet to see anyone prove that.)

[2ndGenGuy]

Man the white LXi coupe is looking nice! And +1 to Mark's comment about the brakes, I agree whole heartedly. Mark, are your Brembo rotors the OE blanks that are drilled or do you have an upgraded set? I have some Brembo OE blanks that are drilled and slotted after the fact, and they have yet to crack on me, but I don't put them through anything more hardcore than an autocross every now and then.

[labeledsk8r]

thanks everyone for the comments, sadly it doesnt look as well in person the pics really blend out its problems.

and yeah mike thats what i have allways known on rotors. extreme heat up and cool down is what creates stress cracks etc. and i would NEVER try to drill my own rotors only takes 1 hole to be off 1/10th of a mm to throw the rotors out of balance. i was looking at brembos but just dont have the money for them so i figured id wait till next time.

my next project comeing up is the damn steering rack... looks like a fun job :(

[Civic Accord Honda]

A18a and AccordB20a I was wondering what the... the other day I was going to reply to something one of you said but it was the other one.. the dam sigs mind fuck trick.. lol I just realized it when you posted side by side..im kinda slow huh
haha yeah i noticed that a few days ago and made this but never used it XD
http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff103/Dark_Accord/LOL.jpg

[Vanilla Sky]

Hey, the party does start Friday night if you wanted to make it up. There's not a whole lot going on, but hey, I'm always down for a street party.

[labeledsk8r]

Hey, the party does start Friday night if you wanted to make it up. There's not a whole lot going on, but hey, I'm always down for a street party.

well i just got this message and its 4:40 on friday :( i want to set up a day to drive out there but my accord cant make the far trip might have ot take my girls civic

[Vanilla Sky]

That's cool, I know how it is to do stuff on short notice. Usually is something you want to do, but can't get everything in line to be able.

[ghettogeddy]

looking good my friend looking good

[SZfiftyfour]

Very nice. Where you get the steel lines?

[forrest89sei]

Very nice. Where you get the steel lines?

He got them from me :D

but they sell them on ebay

[labeledsk8r]

That's cool, I know how it is to do stuff on short notice. Usually is something you want to do, but can't get everything in line to be able.
yeah lol


looking good my friend looking good

thanks

Very nice. Where you get the steel lines?

thanks and i got them from forrest lol

[labeledsk8r]

well a little update...

the car has been giveing me full hell... i have a large list of things to fix that included all new suspention bushings, oil leaks, power stearing, new rims/ tires (old rims are bent and tires are messed up from no alignment) but some more things went rong that im rushing to fix..

the driver side power window for some reason went screwy and keeps trying to role down when allready down... i ended up putting another old set in there to keep the window up. also after haveing a starting problem (wich ended up being the battery) i found out my injectors are leaking like crazy, so i orderd some injector seal kits from napa. and lastly i had a bad rattle from doing the brakes figured out my brake caliper holder was worn out and causeing the rattle so i replaced it today and allso threw some new terminals on the batt

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y126/labeledsk8r/newcaliperholder.jpg

[Civic Accord Honda]

cool sounds like ur bringing the coupe back up to a good car :)

[labeledsk8r]

i did the injector seals yesterday since they were leaking like hell
the injectors look old but i just cleaned them since i cant afford injectors right now
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y126/labeledsk8r/injectors2.jpg

also got some carbon build up out of the intake mani...
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y126/labeledsk8r/injectors.jpg

next on my list is going to be to start fixing oil leaks, full suspention bushings, alignment, new rims/tires

[forrest89sei]

Yay

[mushroom_toy]

Looking good man. :)

[labeledsk8r]

Looking good man. :)

thanks

well i have yet another problem the car seems to kill its batt in under a day if the car is not ran. i dont even know were ot start to look for the problem... i might install a killswitch just as a cheep temp fix but dunno... anyone have any ideas on what could be draining the battery

[markmdz89hatch]

my first guess for excessive draw on a battery is always the radio. yank the fuse for the radio one night and see if the battery level is any better.

Don't forget though, if the alternator is dead, or even just terribly weak, your battery will not 'hold' a charge. Bust out the volt-meter, and make sure you're somewhere between 11.5 and 13 with the car off. Then turn it on and hold the rpm's over 2000-2500 and you should be reading above 13.8 (ideally more like 14.1+). If you're not seeing a change in volts, replace that alternator.

[2oodoor]

thanks

well i have yet another problem the car seems to kill its batt in under a day if the car is not ran. i dont even know were ot start to look for the problem... i might install a killswitch just as a cheep temp fix but dunno... anyone have any ideas on what could be draining the battery
for drains...
check brake lights sticking, trunk light, and glove box light,
I had the brake lights stick for one reason or another on both my 3gens

[mushroom_toy]

Ditto what roodoo said, when I got my 3gee, the brake lights stuck as well. But yeah definitely check the alternator, because in some cases even if it isnt weak or dead it can drain the battery instead of charge it.

[mykwikcoupe]

Looking Sweet...and like CAH said your car is peeing

it must be a chick car. it pisses like a chick

[labeledsk8r]

well i woulda updated yesterday but 3geez was down..... i got the batt charged and took it down to autozone to get the alt tested... it came back good as well as the batt.. there dignostic tool said that there was a batt pull with the key off.. so i went back and put a test light between the positive cable and the pos terminal... watching for the light to dim with a fuse pulled... well it went dim when i pulled fuse #4 from the underhood fusebox wich is horn and setbelt motors.... i havent tried anything under the dash yet though...

and on the taillight thing i just redid the brake light switch becuse they used ot stay on at all times but that was fixed

[labeledsk8r]

no ideas on fuse #4? or the power drain?? havent tried the radio yet im trying the #4 first

[markmdz89hatch]

what the hell does #4 operate? I don't have my service manual in front of me right now. ...anyone?

[labeledsk8r]

when i unpluged the fuse before heading to bed tonight i noticed that i can hear a click in the door like a relay or something... i know theres motors on the seatbelts could they be messing up (and what the hell are the motors on the belts for anyways i know the sedan didnt have it)

[Vanilla Sky]

Lockup, that's what the motors are for.

The power window controller is also in there.

[labeledsk8r]

Lockup, that's what the motors are for.

The power window controller is also in there.

true well the window controler is on a difrent cuircut so its sometihng ot do with the lock up motor i think

[labeledsk8r]

ok well still no idea on fuse #4 so i just pull it nightly...

heres a positive update
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y126/labeledsk8r/engine62908.jpg
painted my valve cover (didnt feel like sanding the raised parts, and its a red color the flash made it look orange) also changed my valve cover seal valve cover gromets, cam shaft seal, and dizzy o-ring... so that should help some of the engines leaks

now for a bad update.... the car wouldnt start for a while today... hapend twice... engine light came on and it wouldnt start... 30 minutes later it started but it keeps haveing this problem.. the check engine light buzzes when it comes on or off...i will check the code next time it happens

[lostforawhile]

no ideas on fuse #4? or the power drain?? havent tried the radio yet im trying the #4 first
i've heard lots of people complaining about those seatbelt lockers draining the battery. is there some sort of g sensor that activates them? i am glad i have the old fashiond simple seatbelts.

[2oodoor]

Don"t all coupes have the grab ya seatbelts? do they wrap around you with the key off? I would say a sensor in the seat, years of a lot of humidity would kill the reliablity of those I would think.
Sounds like the coil is going out too, you may want to check to see if the coil primary is geting juice with the key off, not supposed to.

[labeledsk8r]

Don"t all coupes have the grab ya seatbelts? do they wrap around you with the key off? I would say a sensor in the seat, years of a lot of humidity would kill the reliablity of those I would think.
Sounds like the coil is going out too, you may want to check to see if the coil primary is geting juice with the key off, not supposed to.

naa these dont have the moveing seat belt track. just has lock up motors in the door panel.

i actully checked the coil last night everything checked out except the primary resitence between terminal A and D, sadly i think it mihgt be the ignitor

[Vanilla Sky]

I have an ignitor sitting here. Tested good last time I tested it.

[rustlude87]

The starting problem is the main relay, they both went out on my civic and lude. My car had been doing this for a while, so I asked my local honda mechanic and showed me how to replace it.

Also it should be located under the drivers side dash

[labeledsk8r]

The starting problem is the main relay, they both went out on my civic and lude. My car had been doing this for a while, so I asked my local honda mechanic and showed me how to replace it.

Also it should be located under the drivers side dash

lol that would explain why i get a buzz with the damn engine light... lol duh

[labeledsk8r]

well heres an update, just got some sawblades from a 91 prelude, there really dirty in these pics and i put the front ones on backwards ( will switch them around tomarrow i was in a rush today)

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y126/labeledsk8r/accordnewrims2.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y126/labeledsk8r/accordnewrims1.jpg

i need to go out and get some real photos on a real camera not my damn cell lol

[Civic Accord Honda]

well heres an update, just got some sawblades from a 91 prelude, there really dirty in these pics and i put the front ones on backwards ( will switch them around tomarrow i was in a rush today)

[IM G]http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y126/labeledsk8r/accordnewrims2.jpg[/IMG]

[IM G]http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y126/labeledsk8r/accordnewrims1.jpg[/IMG]

i need to go out and get some real photos on a real camra not my damn cell lol
looks much better man!

[A18A]

yeah very nice, new wheels ftw :D

[AccordB20A]

Cool. Not bad OEM wheels

[84Accord]

BUMP!

:redx:


oh and im liking the rims!

[nomocars23]

are you thinking about lowering your car???

[Vanilla Sky]

I'd say it were the rears that were on backwards. To me, sawblade wheels look better running "backwards"

[SZfiftyfour]

^ agreed. lookin good Sk8r.

[labeledsk8r]

are you thinking about lowering your car???

yeah at some point... its kinda far down on my to do list.. im trying to get it back to full runing order


I'd say it were the rears that were on backwards. To me, sawblade wheels look better running "backwards"

no the fronts were on backwards, i turned them around and it looks good... just havent taken any pics



^ agreed. lookin good Sk8r.

thanks man


i just bought a new tire for one of the rims the sidewall was spliting away from the tread really bad

[Vanilla Sky]

I know, I was just saying that to me, they look better turning the other way.

[Civic Accord Honda]

I know, I was just saying that to me, they look better turning the other way.
werd

[SZfiftyfour]

i need to go out and get some real photos on a real camera not my damn cell lol

I've got cameras. Got any good photo-opp places in mind?

[labeledsk8r]

I've got cameras. Got any good photo-opp places in mind?

i have a few actully, but havent been able to actully take the time to check out how good the spots are, even a basic parking lot shoot or the parking garge in down town would be better then what pics i have lol.. i need to dust off my digi cam aswell

[labeledsk8r]

well i was bored on my lunch break yesterday so i snaped a few pics on my cell lol they suck but ohs well

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y126/labeledsk8r/accord17-12-08.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y126/labeledsk8r/accord27-12-08.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y126/labeledsk8r/accord37-12-08.jpg


on a side note, on the starting problem.. if it is the main relay would the check engine light stay on but throw no code on the ecu?? if so does anyone have a spair working one they would like to sell

[Civic Accord Honda]

looking good
and about the relay i might be parting my car out ill let ya know in a few days

[lostforawhile]

looking good
and about the relay i might be parting my car out ill let ya know in a few daysdon't you get more by scrapping it? there aren't that many good parts on it.

[Civic Accord Honda]

don't you get more by scrapping it? there aren't that many good parts on it.
no scrap yard out here and none will come pick up a car this old called them allready lol so its ether try sell it whole as is or part it lol and now it dont have a EGR so selling it whole might be a pia and sorry sk8r for going off topic

[labeledsk8r]

well i went to the junk yard to get a main relay to throw in the car to get it to start on hot days... well my normal yard has NO 3geez... this is very odd to me there normaly atleast 7 3geez sitting in there... now im kinda screwd i have to get a new one in there before the weekend

[SZfiftyfour]

yea i seen a couple weeks ago they got rid of them. I was like :wtf: not a single one there. But that prelude is still there, you should check it for one.

[labeledsk8r]

yea i seen a couple weeks ago they got rid of them. I was like :wtf: not a single one there. But that prelude is still there, you should check it for one.

yeah i was shocked... there good about haveing 3geez... but i looked at the prelude one and it looked really old and it had water on it (open windows) so i kinda didnt want to chance it... oh and i noticed you grabed the combo switch from the red 2gee lol... also dunno if it helps or if you have seen it but theres a 2gee hatch now.. i didnt check year though its light blue

[SZfiftyfour]

yep seen it. I almost took the front bumper off it, but i didn't wanna pay 40 buck at the time. I did however, get the valve cover hehe. its one like bitesize had on his black car.

[Vanilla Sky]

I got your PM and have the relay sitting in front of me.

[labeledsk8r]

thanks sky for the relay.. i got the realy in but i bolted it lower down becuse i was in a rush and couldnt bolt it into its normal spot.... sky also gave me some fog light covers thanks man...

heres my list of problems to fix in no order what so ever that will make the car more driveable this doesnt count many cosmetic items the car needs

1.all suspention bushings
2.fix driver side window regulator/motor
3.flush trans and add some syncromesh
4.finish fixing all oil leaks
5.fix the blown stearing rack
6.normal tune-up items

[Civic Accord Honda]

sweet!

[A18A]

hey this is deffinately better than that old american car of yours :)

[labeledsk8r]

the car is dead... done, stuck......im fed up aswell at this moment... it seems i blew the transmition.... heres what happend mayby someone can figure it out..

i drove a long distance today(if it matters), was driveing along with my buddy takeing him home and i get a brake light warning on the guages so i ask him if he will check my tails for me if i pull over.. he agrees.. i pull over and he gets out of the car.. i put the car in nutral and let off the clutch... car dies out with a thud... i crank it back up make sure its in nutral and let out the clutch again... dies with a clunk...i figure allright i just drove here i will just see what it does, i put it in gear and try to take off and it clinks out, dies...crank the car up again rev it up to almost 5k and slowly let of the clutch again the car starts moveing forward then slams and dies...i try putting it back in gear and the shifter is fully stuck and wont move, we pushed it into a parking space and left it... a buddy drove me back for me to try it again the shifter moves again but it still just clunks out dead...

sadly i cant afford this car anymore... i have put 200 into it alone since last payday... thats less then 2 weeks.. i could be makeing payments on a 2000+ year car for that... i love the accord and im not tradeing it in... but i might have ot set the project aside becuse its just screwing things up for me... im almost 20 and im trying to make it on my own... and this car is not letting me save any money at all im suposed ot be into work in less then 4 and a half hours and i dont know what to do... i havent even been asleep, and the car is still suck in this parking lot..i cant even afford to get it towed right now.... im just i dont even know anymore...

[Civic Accord Honda]

dude that hella fucking sucks.... we had a trecel that did something simuler to that and it was just the shift linkage ...

[MessyHonda]

sounds like something like the thorow out bearing or the clutch. i say take it apart to see whats up with it

[ghettogeddy]

dude that hella fucking sucks.... we had a trecel that did something simuler to that and it was just the shift linkage ...

x2 try the linkage if its getting stuck it will do that

[forrest89sei]

That Fucking Sucks Man!

I'd check the shift linkage, I hope it's nothing major it sucks you've had such bad luck with this car....

[labeledsk8r]

sounds like something like the thorow out bearing or the clutch. i say take it apart to see whats up with it

i cant just get my car home and rip it apart... i have no place to really put it for a job like that... i cant even find a way to get the car home yet..... i really hope its the linkage

[SZfiftyfour]

I feel for you dude. I know exactly what thats like.
Timing sucks, i had my bros truck for the past week. He took it back friday, but i woulda helped you tow that sucker. Not that this helps you now though.

[Vanilla Sky]

I wish I had a truck that was street legal, I'd at least help you get it home.

It really does seem like a bad trans. Again, if I had a truck, I have a trans I'd let you pay me later for. The last time I put a trans in the Camaro, I screwed up the rear trunk lining pretty bad.

When you get the car home, drain the trans fluid and see if there's any metal floating around in there. If there is, then you'd know it's the trans.

[lostforawhile]

the fact that it did that when you let off of the clutch is telling me it's probably a clutch io throwout bearing, have you checked the cv axles too? if one has gone bad it could be locking up. i've seen them do that, if you had someone with a truck could bring it up here,i would help you,i'm off all next week. any members able to do that or tow it? f you can get it here i will help you tear out the tranny and we can see if it's a clutch,i'm sure someone on here has a decent used clutch or tranny. you could probably work something out. dammit if the bank hadn't screwed me out of that money i would have gas to come down and help you. also that little clip that moves the throwout bearing,if it breaks it will do this. had the same thing happen to me.

[GraniteLXI]

Wow, im sorry to hear the bad luck. I hope it isn't something serious...

[labeledsk8r]

thanks guys.. i think ima step away from the accord for a while ima go buy sometihng and make payments on it... im startign to wonder if i should get a difrent project... i allready built a 3gee and it died.. i had my fun with it... i just dont know what to do... lol the car is still stuck at the place it broke... all my buddys have small cars except my one friend with his v8 stang but he is really bussy

[ghettogeddy]

thanks guys.. i think ima step away from the accord for a while ima go buy sometihng and make payments on it... im startign to wonder if i should get a difrent project... i allready built a 3gee and it died.. i had my fun with it... i just dont know what to do... lol the car is still stuck at the place it broke... all my buddys have small cars except my one friend with his v8 stang but he is really bussy

my 88lx did the same thing sept it stop as i was driving locking up both tires lol i somehow got it to drive you just have to hold the gear shifter in place as you drive you might want to try that

[labeledsk8r]

naa i tried that the linkage is still conected and i can feel it going into the gears...

i got it pushed home yesterday via my buddys 5.0.. and yes i said pushed.. my entire back bumper is coverd in black paint from his car... his mustangs bumper is even scratched lol

looks like ima be parking this prject and getting a DD... problem is i cant keep the accord were im at now so i MUST find a place to park it if not it has to be sold...

[lostforawhile]

naa i tried that the linkage is still conected and i can feel it going into the gears...

i got it pushed home yesterday via my buddys 5.0.. and yes i said pushed.. my entire back bumper is coverd in black paint from his car... his mustangs bumper is even scratched lol

looks like ima be parking this prject and getting a DD... problem is i cant keep the accord were im at now so i MUST find a place to park it if not it has to be sold...did you check the cv axles? if you had a way to get it here and covered with a car cover you could keep it here for a while,what about at vanilla skys place? have you asked him?

[labeledsk8r]

i really dont think its cv's due to the fact that if i push the car (while off) while its in nutral the trans crands and catches if i push the clutch in all the noise goes away and it roles fine... thus i can tell its sometihng in the trans, cv would make clunking noises even with the clutch pushed in

[lostforawhile]

i really dont think its cv's due to the fact that if i push the car (while off) while its in nutral the trans crands and catches if i push the clutch in all the noise goes away and it roles fine... thus i can tell its sometihng in the trans, cv would make clunking noises even with the clutch pushed inif one of them is blown out internally, it can catch enough to turn the tranny but will slip under torque, if the tranny was locked it wouldn't turn at all.

[russiankid]

Drain the fluid and check for metal shavings. If the fluid is fine, my guess would be the clutch.

[labeledsk8r]

Drain the fluid and check for metal shavings. If the fluid is fine, my guess would be the clutch.



the clutch is a brand new exedy. I really dont have a place to drain the trans right now..

[A18A]

aw man that's nasty news :thumbdn:

[russiankid]

the clutch is a brand new exedy. I really dont have a place to drain the trans right now..

How many miles on the clutch? Its possible the throw out bearing was installed incorrectly or the spring broke.

[lostforawhile]

the clutch is a brand new exedy. I really dont have a place to drain the trans right now..
if the clutch is brand new good chance the spring broke in there. loosen the tension on the clutch cable,pull it off of the bell housing, then try to move the clutch arm back and forth. if it feels strange it's probably the retaining spring.

[Vanilla Sky]

Do you know anyone with the premium AAA? I do have a place we can work on it, and I'm more than willing to offer my assistance with the labor and parts. The only catch is that it would have to be over a weekend, and I know you work weekends. You're even welcome to stay overnight if we can't get the car going in one day.

[labeledsk8r]

the clutch has over 4,000 miles on it by now...but there were some problems when putting it in but it had to do with the flywheel..

and i dunno about the AAA my GF has AAA but i dunno if its a premium package.. theres alot of problems with takeing it out there... 1 i have no way to get to your place becuse my GF is normaly working when im off thus i cant take her civic.. 2 i never get 2 days off in a row... 3 i have no money to spend at all on it...and i mean none

the thing is im not motivated to work on this car anymore...the list of things it needs just to make it somewhat safe is just to much

and lost i have no place to even check anything cant even jack the car up really...

I REALLY REALLY want to just park the damn thing and get another car and mayby come back to the accord in a month or 2 i have to much else going on in my life to deal with this car

[Civic Accord Honda]

I REALLY REALLY want to just park the damn thing and get another car and mayby come back to the accord in a month or 2 i have to much else going on in my life to deal with this car
then thats what you gotta do mayne! good luck :cheers:

[Vanilla Sky]

I wish I could offer to store it. I have the limit of inoperable cars both here and at my parents' house.

Have you given any thought to buying something so cheap that you don't care if it breaks down? I drove my last 3gee like 15,000 miles and only payed $500 for it. Very few repairs, but I kept track of what was about to fall apart. Right now, it needs a lot of work to be road worthy again, but hey, $500 bought me a lot of miles.

[labeledsk8r]

I wish I could offer to store it. I have the limit of inoperable cars both here and at my parents' house.

Have you given any thought to buying something so cheap that you don't care if it breaks down? I drove my last 3gee like 15,000 miles and only payed $500 for it. Very few repairs, but I kept track of what was about to fall apart. Right now, it needs a lot of work to be road worthy again, but hey, $500 bought me a lot of miles.

im working on a place to store it... im just scared of mice or rats getting in while its parked...

i really dont want to get a car that might break down at any time... i need something reliable.. not to mention i dont even have 500 to dump on a car

[labeledsk8r]

well i have had no luck today getting into another car with payments... problem im haveing is this happend out of the blue so i have no money down and need low payments... blah

in need of money i most likely will be listing my NEW GE adjusable cam gear, it was bought durring the last group buy, its black... dunno on a price yet but its gonna be listed since i need some spair cash so keep a look out if your needing one

[SZfiftyfour]

If your credit is ok try to get a loan at Florida credit union. There APR's are lower than the vast majority of banks. One time i got a $3000 loan for $144/mo with nothing as collateral. It's also easier to get a loan there if your credit isn't great.

[labeledsk8r]

If your credit is ok try to get a loan at Florida credit union. There APR's are lower than the vast majority of banks. One time i got a $3000 loan for $144/mo with nothing as collateral. It's also easier to get a loan there if your credit isn't great.

thats actully my bank that i do my checking with... i have one problem with that.. i have NO credit history i allways pay cash for my items, i dont like oweing money on things os i make sure i have the money before i buy them... i have tried getting into a newer car but i need a co-signer... i even was looking at motorcycles but i would still need a co-signer

my options are now...

1. barrow 500 bucks and try to fix everytihng rong with the car with that and bum rides to work till its done...

2. find a co-signer and get into a newer car or a motorcycle and park the accord for a few months

3. get a moped and park the accord for a few months (LOL)

[Civic Accord Honda]

3

[84Accord]

2
get a motorcycle
great mileage and so much fun :)

[Vanilla Sky]

My opinion is that option 2 is best. Gives you transportation while the 3gee is down, and is cheaper to operate.

[labeledsk8r]

what if i did number 1? my only problem is finding a place to rebuild it... i dunno i dont think ima find a co-signer

[labeledsk8r]

i also forgot option 4. wich is to get a bike or car (if i can get a damn co-signer) and then sell the accord and look into a new project car that ISNT a 3gee.. i know it seems dumb but this is my second accord.. mayby i should try something else with more aftermarket...i like the accord for being difrent but its so damn hard to get them fast... a 240 or sometihng is nice cheep fun

[Civic Accord Honda]

honestly man i gotta tell you do what you feel is best

[labeledsk8r]

honestly man i gotta tell you do what you feel is best

thats the problem every way i look at it theres a catch... if i sell the accord and get the motorcycle i HAVE to have a co-signer... if i barrow the 500 from a buddy theres a chance it wont be enough to cover the problem and fix it... the reason i say bike is becuse its much cheeper to keep running then a car right now.. and saveing money is sometihng i really gotta do

[Vanilla Sky]

The cheapest thing you can do is keep the 3gee and fix what it needs as it needs it. Keep it off the highway as much as possible, trying to only keep it in town. Take a whole day, if needed, and write down EVERYTHING the car will need in the next 25,000 miles. Try to make an educated decision on whether it's worth putting that much money into, or if a newer (and honestly more reliable) car would be a better option.

I know you mention the 240SX. I can attest to the drivetrain in that car as being really reliable. I have the same engine and a variation of that transmission in my truck that's towed a trailer for about 50% of its miles. The only thing my truck needs is tune-up stuff from sitting, a timing chain (the tensioners go out and wear the chain; if you're buying a 240, make sure this has been done, or use that as negotiating room), and a bed.

If I had the cash laying around, I'd buy the 3gee from you so you could buy something else. I have no problem with fixing what it needs, and understand that it has problems. I just don't have more than a few bucks to spare right now with the wedding and all.

In the end, it's just a car. Don't let us talk you into keeping a car you don't think will last. It's your money, not ours.

[lostforawhile]

yea why don't you save enough money to get it transported over to vanilla skys place and he could help you get it roadworthy. if you look enough maby you could find a parts car with a blown engine or something and use it for the suspension parts and such. if you could get the bearings and ball joints, i would rebuild these spindles i've got for you . just swap them out for yours so i have spare wishbones. it's really easy to swap an entire wishbone out.

[labeledsk8r]

1 i dont think he really wants the car sitting there, 2 i dont exactly have the time to work on such problems 3, i dont have enough money to pay for the parts.. thus why im trying to get into payments on something... 4 im just sick of problems and want something to be reliable...i have had nothing but problems from this car since the day i got it i mean i would rather put 500 down on a bike and pay around 150 a month then try putting 500 into the car and hopeing it runs
im literly at wits end and am getitng truely pissed off becuse i cant get anything to work out

[lostforawhile]

1 i dont think he really wants the car sitting there, 2 i dont exactly have the time to work on such problems 3, i dont have enough money to pay for the parts.. thus why im trying to get into payments on something... 4 im just sick of problems and want something to be reliable...i have had nothing but problems from this car since the day i got it i mean i would rather put 500 down on a bike and pay around 150 a month then try putting 500 into the car and hopeing it runs
im literly at wits end and am getitng truely pissed off becuse i cant get anything to work outwell i hope something works out for you.

[Vanilla Sky]

Yeah, I can't really store the car, but I'll let you pay me back for the trans. You'd still have to buy any fluids and stuff, and I know consumables can hit $100 to change a trans, but I'd let you pay me back.

I do think that $500 down and $150-$200 a month is better than $150-$200 a month in repairs in your case. If you had a place to work on it, that's one thing. If you're working in the dirt with very limited tools, then payments are a better option.

If you don't need a back seat, I've gotta say that a Miata is a good option, too. A $1500 is easy to find in this area, and almost anyone can get a personal loan for $1500 if they are willing to use a car as collateral. Going with a Miata puts you with a larger aftermarket than with the 240, and fewer people drift (and crash) them, so it doesn't artificially inflate the value.

[labeledsk8r]

Yeah, I can't really store the car, but I'll let you pay me back for the trans. You'd still have to buy any fluids and stuff, and I know consumables can hit $100 to change a trans, but I'd let you pay me back.

I do think that $500 down and $150-$200 a month is better than $150-$200 a month in repairs in your case. If you had a place to work on it, that's one thing. If you're working in the dirt with very limited tools, then payments are a better option.

If you don't need a back seat, I've gotta say that a Miata is a good option, too. A $1500 is easy to find in this area, and almost anyone can get a personal loan for $1500 if they are willing to use a car as collateral. Going with a Miata puts you with a larger aftermarket than with the 240, and fewer people drift (and crash) them, so it doesn't artificially inflate the value.

my only problem is this every option of mine is flawed, if i keep the accord i have a list of parts that really all should be done, trans problem fixed, all suspention bushings and ball joints, window motor and actuator, seatbelt electrical problem worked out, oil leaks, power stearing rack replaced... that stuff can easly go over a grand right there..

getting the motorcycle means i have a smaller loan (but still have to find a damn co-signer) but i still need to get money for the rideing class and a down payment

getting a car is the same but i have to pay more for longer just wont need the money for the rideing class lol

and really i dunno about gettinga miata.. i dont really consider them manly cars lol.. no offence.. every option i have i can see failing

[Vanilla Sky]

lol

www.grassrootsmotorsports.com

or google for "spec miata"

[lostforawhile]

my only problem is this every option of mine is flawed, if i keep the accord i have a list of parts that really all should be done, trans problem fixed, all suspention bushings and ball joints, window motor and actuator, seatbelt electrical problem worked out, oil leaks, power stearing rack replaced... that stuff can easly go over a grand right there..

getting the motorcycle means i have a smaller loan (but still have to find a damn co-signer) but i still need to get money for the rideing class and a down payment

getting a car is the same but i have to pay more for longer just wont need the money for the rideing class lol

and really i dunno about gettinga miata.. i dont really consider them manly cars lol.. no offence.. every option i have i can see failingnot manley cars? they are one of the most road raced cars in the united states. check the scca stats. they are a modern version of the brittish roadster. if you think thewy are wimpy get one,then do the turbo or supercharger swap later, all parts are available aftermarket for it easy. they become a beast with the conversion.

[labeledsk8r]

i know they are fast... i never said they were weak cars... there just never going to girly look... the newest model is more agressive looking and is starting to step away from the girl car the older car was... im just not a fan of them.. i know there specs and i know what they can do i just dont care for them at all....

well im screwd... the motorcycle is a no go... my gf tried ot co-sign and they could only sell the bike if it was in her name fully... so there that goes...

now i guess im stuck rebuilding the accord... i am looking for a place to rebuild it and going to get a small loan from my bank i hope.... sigh

[labeledsk8r]

just listen my GE adjustable cam gear in the tradeing post :'( looks like i might be going moped.. it most likely will kill me but i have no choice

[Vanilla Sky]

How far is work from your house? Is a bicycle an option? A decent used road bike is cheaper than just about anything else, and is just as fast as most mopeds.

[labeledsk8r]

all the way across town sadly.. i need someting motorized.. im looking into 200CC motorcycles.. i feel unsafe on a 49 cc moped

[Civic Accord Honda]

i know they are fast... i never said they were weak cars... there just never going to girly look... the newest model is more agressive looking and is starting to step away from the girl car the older car was... im just not a fan of them.. i know there specs and i know what they can do i just dont care for them at all....

word imo they look girly as shit no offense to anyone that owns one :tongue:

[Vanilla Sky]

Yeah, you need a motorcycle. That is unless you want to bulk way up on the way to work. A good 20 mile commute on bike would suck the first 20 times or so. Would also make a 15 minute commute into a 45 minute or more commute.

[labeledsk8r]

yeah well i need money so so i will most likely sell my car.. if anyone s interested shoot me some offers on it... shell is good still starts and runs great

[redaztec]

Sorry to hear about all this man, that really sucks.

Just a quick thought though - my car's trans was doing exactly what you describe when I bought the car. After yanking on the shifter for a while trying to get it to work right, I noticed that while the car would die out any time i let out the clutch with the trans in gear, the car would actually go forward when the shifter in neutral. When I found that out I drove it for about a quarter mile. As I pulled away from a stop sign the trans unstuck itself and it's been fine since. Might be worth checking it out a bit more to see if it's something like that before you resort to selling the car or dropping in a new tranny.

[Vanilla Sky]

If I had any money to spend on a car, I'd buy it.

[labeledsk8r]

Sorry to hear about all this man, that really sucks.

Just a quick thought though - my car's trans was doing exactly what you describe when I bought the car. After yanking on the shifter for a while trying to get it to work right, I noticed that while the car would die out any time i let out the clutch with the trans in gear, the car would actually go forward when the shifter in neutral. When I found that out I drove it for about a quarter mile. As I pulled away from a stop sign the trans unstuck itself and it's been fine since. Might be worth checking it out a bit more to see if it's something like that before you resort to selling the car or dropping in a new tranny.



this sounds like a really really bad thing ot try lol

[Vanilla Sky]

Hey, if it's broke already, why not?

[redaztec]

this sounds like a really really bad thing ot try lol

No joke. I'm not claiming it was one of my brighter moments (one of my stupidest actually) but I was lucky. I guess I should have clarified that I'm not suggesting you fix it in the way I accidentally did, I just meant it could possibly be fixed without having to do anything too serious!

[labeledsk8r]

ok i just tried it.. ended horibly i got it driveing and was driveing around my block and BAM trans locked at like 20 mphs and killed the engine and slid to a stop... sigh

[Vanilla Sky]

Who did the clutch install? Did you do it or did a shop? You might want to check to see that they filled the trans back up.

And I'm betting bent shift fork on this one.

[redaztec]

Does indeed sound like a more serious problem than with my car, sorry for steering you wrong... =(

[labeledsk8r]

its cool no worries...

if anyone is interested in this car let me know.. its got a great body and still runs fine...

also have a maroon armrest for sale if anyone wants it and i have the GE cam gear listed in the tradeing post i have 230 listed but im flexable

im trying to get around 800 bucks to pick up a damn moped

[russiankid]

Check the tranny fluid man. Just take the fill bolt out, if fluid leaks out, the tranny is full. If it doesn't, then you are low on fluid. If the fluid does leak out, see what condition the fluid is in. It won't leak out a lot, so a small catch pan will be just fine.

[labeledsk8r]

ive said it once i will say it again i have no place to check it... i can pull the fill hole but whats the point?? if its full or not i cant drain it and i cant open it up to see if the clutch is fucked... so it wouldnt matter

[A18A]

youve had some pretty bad luck lately :(

[86ccord]

wow sorry bro, that's got to be rough..

[markmdz89hatch]

hold up a sec. why do you say the motor is done now too? Did the timing belt snap too?

do you have any friends with a car dolly, or know someone that could tow you to a parking lot or something? When you say you have no place to check this, I'm assuming that means you have to park on the street right?

A new tranny (if that's all that's wrong) is the cheapest option compared to a bike or moped, and still keeps you dry when it rains, and affords you some passenger/cargo room as opposed to your 2-wheeled options.

If you're willing to do the work yourself, we'll all help you out as much as possible. I know there's a few members here that live in FL too, and someone's gotta be somewhat close to you. Maybe they can assist as well.

What's your take? Sell it as a junk or figure out a way to get this beast back up and running?

edit...
If you're interested in getting this thing up and running, either start up a thread in the mechanical section, or let me know and I'll hack up this thread and pull all the trouble explanations out and create a new thread with it for you.

[Andagail]

I really hope you can get this car back on the road. Maybe you can get somebody in or around Ocala to let you use their yard or garage to get the work done.

Anda

[labeledsk8r]

hold up a sec. why do you say the motor is done now too? Did the timing belt snap too?

do you have any friends with a car dolly, or know someone that could tow you to a parking lot or something? When you say you have no place to check this, I'm assuming that means you have to park on the street right?

A new tranny (if that's all that's wrong) is the cheapest option compared to a bike or moped, and still keeps you dry when it rains, and affords you some passenger/cargo room as opposed to your 2-wheeled options.

If you're willing to do the work yourself, we'll all help you out as much as possible. I know there's a few members here that live in FL too, and someone's gotta be somewhat close to you. Maybe they can assist as well.

What's your take? Sell it as a junk or figure out a way to get this beast back up and running?

edit...
If you're interested in getting this thing up and running, either start up a thread in the mechanical section, or let me know and I'll hack up this thread and pull all the trouble explanations out and create a new thread with it for you.


no no the engine still runs fine... my only problem with riping the trans out and fixing it is this.. say i can get it all fixed for around 400-500 depending whats broken.... the car itself still wouldnt be "road safe" the ball joints and other bushings are so far shot that i can get the wheel to move almost half a foot in any direction,,, also the windows dont work as i have a bad window regulator , i also still have to pull that fuse every night so the car doesnt die and plug it in whenever i want to drive it... i want to fix it i do.. but i really am sick of the car... another reason im going moped is that i can cancle my car insurence (theres an extra 130 a month easy) plus gas saveings (gets 70 mpgs compaired to the accords 28 city) my current livieng situation is only temp when i moved back down to florida i was given a small place to stay for cheep so i could save up money to split an apartment with someone... well the deadline is november and i have ot get saveing.. cutting as many bills out of my buget right now is what ima have to do... it sucks... and it will suck every day i have to drive the damn thing...

right now what i want to do is get a small loan for the moped and pay it off so i can keep the accord and fix it later but i dont see that happening.. mayby i should sell it and try to find a better conditioned car later

[2oodoor]

I stayed out of this thread because it was depressing months ago. Today I was curious what the bumping was and dam... sk8er this is aweful.


Stop and think about this, you are not exactly rich now, what are you going to do if you find another car in your budget range and it needs suspension work, ac, and some of the same things wrong with this one. Even a car ten years newer could need the same things.
sounds to me like you could fix the tranny if you could get it up to Vanilla's for a work meet, and stick with it.
I know this isn't helping, I wish you better luck on cars.

[markmdz89hatch]

ok, so knowing all else that's wrong still doesn't tell me this is a bad deal to fix. Moped will be old and useless the first time it rains. Although it's a great 'nice day' transportation option that gets insanely good gas mileage, it's not the best option in the world.

That estimate of 400-500 should cover not only the tranny and cheap clutch (if you do in fact need a new clutch), but should take care of the full front suspension ball-joint replacement.

Something like this (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/86-89-Accord-Control-arm-Bushing-Ball-joint-Tie-rod_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ42614QQihZ016QQitem Z260267035766QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWDVW) would suffice for a full front-end service. As for that damn fuse, now that I'm hearing about a bad window regulator, I might wager a guess that there may be a short in that which could be partial, if not all, cause of your fuse issue.

[2oodoor]

If you had a pull-a-part in Fla, it would cost you only $193.00 for a transmission with guarantee, A whole rack and pinioin with outer tie rods intact, and four control arm assy.. Sick ain't it?

[russiankid]

ive said it once i will say it again i have no place to check it... i can pull the fill hole but whats the point?? if its full or not i cant drain it and i cant open it up to see if the clutch is fucked... so it wouldnt matter
The point is to see if you have any fluid in the transmission. If you don't have fluid or are low on it, that doesn't help the issue. You aren't draining the transmission with the fill bolt you are simply checking the level of the fluid.

[ghettogeddy]

lol even on the street i have plenty of room to do a tranny swap lol (ive done it before x2)
hell i did a full car swap on the street lol

still even thin if its the room mates compliant about you working on your car thats kinda messed up bu ti see were your going with the money saving thing

but if you dont have insurance and you happen to get into an accident your liable for the full amount so i would not go as far as not having insurance

[labeledsk8r]

ok, so knowing all else that's wrong still doesn't tell me this is a bad deal to fix. Moped will be old and useless the first time it rains. Although it's a great 'nice day' transportation option that gets insanely good gas mileage, it's not the best option in the world.

That estimate of 400-500 should cover not only the tranny and cheap clutch (if you do in fact need a new clutch), but should take care of the full front suspension ball-joint replacement.

Something like this (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/86-89-Accord-Control-arm-Bushing-Ball-joint-Tie-rod_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ42614QQihZ016QQitem Z260267035766QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWDVW) would suffice for a full front-end service. As for that damn fuse, now that I'm hearing about a bad window regulator, I might wager a guess that there may be a short in that which could be partial, if not all, cause of your fuse issue.


they still work i nthe rain.. it will suck but it will work, i work outside so if it rains ima be in the rian anyways so getting wet going to work wont be much of a big deal...

its hard to explain the money problem im haveing.. if i keep the accord and get it running for say 5-600 then ima still be paying insurence and higher gas etc... or pay 600 and then cut some bills from my budget...i also forgot to list the blown stearing rack wich has very bad play in it.. and on the note of the window reg.. i have the entire window system unpluged from the car and i still get the power drain.. its something with the electrical system on the seatbelts... im haveing a hard time finding the layout for the wirieng on it and how to test them... theres other things rong with the car aswell that tick me off....

long story short... i work at walmart... i must have atleast a grand saved by the end of october for an apartment... as my current place will no longer be available.. i have nothing saved for that becuse i keep dumping money into the accord i dumped almost 300 into the accord less then a week before the trans messed up.. i really do want to fix the accord.. but i really think parking it is the best thing or even selling it and looking for another accord or another type of vehicle in better condition

**edit**

lol even on the street i have plenty of room to do a tranny swap lol (ive done it before x2)
hell i did a full car swap on the street lol

still even thin if its the room mates compliant about you working on your car thats kinda messed up bu ti see were your going with the money saving thing

but if you dont have insurance and you happen to get into an accident your liable for the full amount so i would not go as far as not having insurance

no insurence on a moped.. lol if anyone gets in a crash ima be the one hurt lol.. and its not just the street or my "roomates" its the owners of the house.. like i said its hard to explain my liveing conditions

[ghettogeddy]

they still work i nthe rain.. it will suck but it will work, i work outside so if it rains ima be in the rian anyways so getting wet going to work wont be much of a big deal...

its hard to explain the money problem im haveing.. if i keep the accord and get it running for say 5-600 then ima still be paying insurence and higher gas etc... or pay 600 and then cut some bills from my budget...i also forgot to list the blown stearing rack wich has very bad play in it.. and on the note of the window reg.. i have the entire window system unpluged from the car and i still get the power drain.. its something with the electrical system on the seatbelts... im haveing a hard time finding the layout for the wirieng on it and how to test them... theres other things rong with the car aswell that tick me off....

long story short... i work at walmart... i must have atleast a grand saved by the end of october for an apartment... as my current place will no longer be available.. i have nothing saved for that becuse i keep dumping money into the accord i dumped almost 300 into the accord less then a week before the trans messed up.. i really do want to fix the accord.. but i really think parking it is the best thing or even selling it and looking for another accord or another type of vehicle in better condition

**edit**


no insurence on a moped.. lol if anyone gets in a crash ima be the one hurt lol.. and its not just the street or my "roomates" its the owners of the house.. like i said its hard to explain my liveing conditions

but if its your fault no matter whos hurt your gona comeout the ass lol (and not in the sexual way lol )

[labeledsk8r]

but if its your fault no matter whos hurt your gona comeout the ass lol (and not in the sexual way lol )

this is a risk i have to take... the accord has done nothing but mess up my funds from the start.. also why i will only use it to go to and from work.. unless you know a way for me to save a grand in less then 3 months then ok

[Vanilla Sky]

My brother just turned 16 and has made probably $250 buying and selling stuff on ebay. He'd buy a lot of something, then sell it individually. He started out by selling something that he had gotten on clearance at Wal-mart, lol.

Hell, you have an employee discount, right? Does that apply to clearance items? Buy items that are on clearance and then put them on ebay. Start small and work your way up. Supplement this with junkyarding, and you can have $1000 in your pocket pretty quickly.

[forrest89sei]

My brother just turned 16 and has made probably $250 buying and selling stuff on ebay. He'd buy a lot of something, then sell it individually. He started out by selling something that he had gotten on clearance at Wal-mart, lol.

Hell, you have an employee discount, right? Does that apply to clearance items? Buy items that are on clearance and then put them on ebay. Start small and work your way up. Supplement this with junkyarding, and you can have $1000 in your pocket pretty quickly.

As a fellow Walmart Employee:

The Discount Doesn't Apply To:
Computers
Rollbacks
Clearance Items
Food


Sadly

[labeledsk8r]

i was actully doing this up in idaho... selling skate parts... i even had a myspace i ran it threw

www.myspace.com/tonicskateshop

it worked in idaho but theres alot of shops were im at now... i dunno i could try but i still need a ride right now

[2oodoor]

you can wait tables for a couple of months, the tips add up real quick

It is pretty obivious you hate the car for it's little faults. You obviousley have plenty of support here for getting it squared away.
But you say your circumstances wont let you even look under neath the car like you are doing something to it ! You already regret putting a dime into it !
I guess you're right, just cut your "losses" and regroup again. Get a moped, a raincoat and go to wally world and get wet some more.
good luck to ya

[ghettogeddy]

how far is your commute the bus would cost less then a moped

no one to carpool with

[labeledsk8r]

how far is your commute the bus would cost less then a moped

no one to carpool with

sadly the bus cant work every day due to my fluxuateing week..an no not really anyone to carpool with becuse everyone i know never works the same times every day... i can get a ride like once a week from someone if im lucky

[labeledsk8r]

you can wait tables for a couple of months, the tips add up real quick

It is pretty obivious you hate the car for it's little faults. You obviousley have plenty of support here for getting it squared away.
But you say your circumstances wont let you even look under neath the car like you are doing something to it ! You already regret putting a dime into it !
I guess you're right, just cut your "losses" and regroup again. Get a moped, a raincoat and go to wally world and get wet some more.
good luck to ya

little faults?? a messed up trans, a blown stearing rack, bad electrical...its not its small faults its the fact that im sick of the car being broken.. yes i can spend the money to fix it.. but sadly the moped will allow me to recoop afterwards to resave money... this is my second accord and my old one never gave me this much hell...

and on the waiting tables thats a no go.. my gf works/worked 2 jobs and one was at benigains lol there goes that.. she is looking for a new 2nd job and no resteraunt is really wanting people due to people arnt eating out as much as they used to... a classic thing of supply and demand

[russiankid]

little faults?? a messed up trans, a blown stearing rack, bad electrical...its not its small faults its the fact that im sick of the car being broken.. yes i can spend the money to fix it.. but sadly the moped will allow me to recoop afterwards to resave money... this is my second accord and my old one never gave me this much hell...

and on the waiting tables thats a no go.. my gf works/worked 2 jobs and one was at benigains lol there goes that.. she is looking for a new 2nd job and no resteraunt is really wanting people due to people arnt eating out as much as they used to... a classic thing of supply and demand

I see how you feel man. I don't blame you, if I didn't have money to fix my newly acquired BMW I would give up. It needs front end work(tie rods, control arms, bushings), trans needs fluid and filter, other small gaskets and such, tires. Lots of parts,time and money, but its worth it in the end.

Park the Accord for now and get a Moped. If for some reason you still do not have enough cash at the end of the month, you have the Accord to sell. You may not get a lot for it, but its something.

[mushroom_toy]

If you make a trip up my way and bring your car, well go get you a tranny and whatever else you need from pullapart and we can swap the tranny in less than 5 hours. :)

[Vanilla Sky]

I already have a trans here. The trans isn't the main problem here.

Have you ever poured everything you make into a relationship just to find out that you're being used to buy him/her nice things? Same kind of deal here. He's been putting a great deal of money into a car that wasn't really all that it was cracked up to be. He doesn't have the money now to fix all of the issues the car has. His best option right now is to sell the car and buy a bike. He can honestly find a better car for the amount of money he's going to put into this one to make it even 80% again. He has to buy all of his parts, unlike some of us that have parts cars available. I've offered my help and even most of the parts needed to fix his car, but he doesn't feel safe in the car until it gets a LOT of suspension work done. You don't buy ball joints in a junkyard for a reason. But right now, I can say I've seen junkyard cars in better mechanical condition, going on his account of the suspension.

Personally, I've parked 2 running 3geez myself under the same circumstances. It happens. You buy a car that isn't as good as you thought, and you lose faith in your decision making for a while. That's what's happened here. He wants to go back to the basics.

I also understand the condition he works in. I did lawn care for a while with my dad. This is Florida. You're going to get wet if you go outside for most of the summer. He works outside, so if it's raining on the way to work, it's going to be raining when he gets there.

If I had the money, I would have bought the car from him when he offered it to me. I'm getting married this Friday, so I can't afford it. I have most of the parts needed to get the car back together, and I have the time, ability, tools, and space to do the work. He only has the ability part on his side right now. As I understand, tools are limited to him as well.

If I had a tow dolly, I would have towed the car up here. Hell, I wouldn't be against changing the trans in a parking lot, but I don't have the ability to tow, he obviously doesn't, most of the people we know lack the equipment to tow, and renting is out of our budgets.

The biggest thing that would help out right now would be for someone to buy his car so that he can move on.

[labeledsk8r]

sadly im now thinking of fixing it.. im so wishy washy on the damn thing... i still have to find a place to work on it and tow it... but so far i think i should be able to keep it under 500.. i dunno what ima do sadly...

[lostforawhile]

talk to vanilla he's already offered to help,sometimes having a buddy to help work on a car makes it a lot less frustrating. if you get the car back to where it's supposed to be,you might like it more,it probably seems really really slow because of the suspension and steering being so far out.that will tax a lot of your power,because you are wasting it pushing the tires in the wrong direction.

[labeledsk8r]

Sky has a wedding comeing up...this isnt exactly a good time to be towing a broken car there when he has such a large event comeing ... not to mention the price of towing it out there would blow...even renting a tow dolly wouldnt work due to no one haveing a truck that i know... a buddy at work is giveing me a $250 loan.. so that will help towards my 500 goal.. i dunno i have to see whats going on..

[Vanilla Sky]

Yeah, my schedule is booked for the next two weeks or so.

[labeledsk8r]

ok here we go, i have gotten a loan and some money together and will have 500 to fix this...

i also have gotten the people i rent from to let me use there carport BUT the car can only be in there for a week or less (wich is hard becuse i only get 2 days off a week)

soo i need to find some parts..

transmition (if thats the problem) if not then
clutch
flywheel
full suspention parts,
stearing rack and pinon
fluids
etc trying to keep it under 500

i will update in a few

[lostforawhile]

didn't vanilla sky say he had a tranny ?

[labeledsk8r]

didn't vanilla sky say he had a tranny ?

it needs to be pulled from a parts car.. he is going ot be really busy for the next few weeks... plus i think its from a carbed.. i might look into local parts i even think theres a si lude (87) at the junkyard with 5 speed but i need to find the cheepest way.. i will see

[russiankid]

ok here we go, i have gotten a loan and some money together and will have 500 to fix this...

i also have gotten the people i rent from to let me use there carport BUT the car can only be in there for a week or less (wich is hard becuse i only get 2 days off a week)

soo i need to find some parts..

transmition (if thats the problem) if not then
clutch
flywheel
full suspention parts,
stearing rack and pinon
fluids
etc trying to keep it under 500

i will update in a few

Don't forget you will need an alignment after the rack and pinion. So check how much that would be just incase.

[labeledsk8r]

Don't forget you will need an alignment after the rack and pinion. So check how much that would be just incase.

allready looked them up will be 69 for a good shop to do it

[lostforawhile]

Don't forget you will need an alignment after the rack and pinion. So check how much that would be just incase.
all that will be affected is your toe, there are ways you can set it close enough to get by for quite a while.

[Civic Accord Honda]

all that will be affected is your toe, there are ways you can set it close enough to get by for quite a while.
indeed!! i adjusted mine

[forrest89sei]

Yay

[Vanilla Sky]

The trans I have is from an EFI car.

[labeledsk8r]

The trans I have is from an EFI car.

sweet, what are you wanting for it man

[russiankid]

all that will be affected is your toe, there are ways you can set it close enough to get by for quite a while.

Mine was fairly close too, but it still ended up chewing the tires. :banghead:

[labeledsk8r]

ok well i dont have the entire 500 saved up yet BUT i figure i better get started on ordering parts.. so i went to order the front bushing kit that Mark listed.. well they kit ended and they have enother thats exaclty the same kit for 40 bucks more... lol damnit and such hopefully ima be able to get all the funds ready to go for this project ima be cutting it tight but i have no choice... ima grab some honda m/t fluid and a bottle of syncromesh for wich ever trans i use aswell

**edit** ok i just got done and the guy JUST relisted it so i orderd it.. now i need to find a deal on a rack and pinion... after that i will start the project and see if i need a new trans or if i blew the clutch or flywheel apart

[Civic Accord Honda]

awesome ^_^

[labeledsk8r]

i got the full front suspention rebuild kit in yesterday and i orderd some energy suspention shift bushings and those came in today... (to lazzy to take pics right now)

looking at starting to rip the trans open this tuesday anything i need to look out for

[russiankid]

i got the full front suspention rebuild kit in yesterday and i orderd some energy suspention shift bushings and those came in today... (to lazzy to take pics right now)

looking at starting to rip the trans open this tuesday anything i need to look out for

Don't lose the bolts. First time I did my transmission I lost a bolt for it, so I had to go get a matching bolt at Lowes. Also, make sure you loosen the oil fill plug before you drain the transmission. That way you know you can refill it and not drain it then find out your fill plug is stuck.:deal:

[87roach]

Don't lose the bolts. First time I did my transmission I lost a bolt for it, so I had to go get a matching bolt at Lowes. Also, make sure you loosen the oil fill plug before you drain the transmission. That way you know you can refill it and not drain it then find out your fill plug is stuck.:deal:


This is very true, I didn't do this and it fucked me hard... whoever last torqued it must of been He-Man.

[Civic Accord Honda]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xW58S1FNFts

[labeledsk8r]

sounds good guys

well looks like ima be moveing this till next week thanks to the huricane/tropical storm comeing threw... figures i get 2 days off i na row and its the days its suposed ot hit... sigh...

and cah wtf

[Civic Accord Honda]

that sucks and
that video is epic succed? :D :D

[A18A]

hope all goes well :)

[labeledsk8r]

tomarrow it goes into the carport for this to begin, just a update on list of things being done

front suspention bushings and controle arms
find out what happend to the trans and fix whatever happend
replace stearing rack
fill trans with new honda m/t oil and some syncromesh
prothane shift bushings
finish all oil leaks off
oil change lol

and mayby a few others i see need to be done

[AccordB20A]

lots of work lol. but it should be better after:)

[Civic Accord Honda]

tomarrow it goes into the carport for this to begin, just a update on list of things being done

front suspention bushings and controle arms
find out what happend to the trans and fix whatever happend
replace stearing rack
fill trans with new honda m/t oil and some syncromesh
prothane shift bushings
finish all oil leaks off
oil change lol

and mayby a few others i see need to be done
sweet!!

[MessyHonda]

one step at a time....i want a coupe now

[forrest89sei]

Yay! And happy birthday

[knarg]

lack of pics ITT

[nswst8]

I'm thinking that your clutch spring snapped. Did you replace the clutch spring when you had the clutch done.

I learned the hard way always put in another "NEW" spring when you do a clutch job.

[labeledsk8r]

I'm thinking that your clutch spring snapped. Did you replace the clutch spring when you had the clutch done.

I learned the hard way always put in another "NEW" spring when you do a clutch job.

to tell the truth i dont think a new spring was put in.... i had a shop put the new clutch in since it was right when i moved back to florida and i didnt have any tools at the time and he only installed what i had wich was clutch,throwout bearing, presure plate, and rear main seal..

anyways i got started yesterday and hit alot of snags, drained the oil from the trans and it was clean.. hit some snags on getting the axles off damn axle nut is mostly welded onto the axle end.. hammerd down so much, so i figured take the hub out since im doing the suspention anyways and now im haveing problems getting the suspention apart... i need a joint puller or a pickle fork lol..

pics will be comeing

[Vanilla Sky]

A pickle fork from Advance is like $12. I bought one a while back just to have laying around.

[nswst8]

Yeah Autozone has a loaner program, just put a deposit on the tool and they loan it to you.

At the price of the tool should forget to return it

[labeledsk8r]

i got one side sorta apart and the axle pulled fro mthe trans, im working on the driver side now... hitting more snags and deff need to go get some type of puller...

on another note i have NEVER done suspention am i going to need a spring compresor when i take this all apart? im getting down to almost nothing left on the hub and seeing that spring there kinda scares me lol

[Civic Accord Honda]

nah not unless ur replacing the shock since the spring is bolted to the shock so as long as u leave the spring attached to the shock u can remove the whole coil over
just remove the 3 bolts up top and the 1 big bolt on the bottom and pull it out
and ps to remove the upper control arms u need to remove the nuts in the engine bay or u will try for hours trying to get that long bolt out

u should get this tool for removeing ball joints and tie rod ends
http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff103/Dark_Accord/1987-Honda-Accord-DX/transmission-removel/394c82ff.jpg

and heres what the shocks look like out of the car
http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff103/Dark_Accord/1987-Honda-Accord-DX/transmission-removel/a66cc6fe.jpg

[nswst8]

Yeah the springs don't need to be pulled apart unless you are replacing the shocks.

Keep us posted, were here to help.

[labeledsk8r]

yeah i allready jumped ahead and bout that puller. i have all the axles and hubs out and all that still have the shocks and springs in there though.... so now im just about to pull the trans.. trying to find some blocks of wood to stack on my jack to hold the trans while i unbolt it..

[russiankid]

You didn't have to go through the trouble of taking the whole suspension apart. The way I do it when I pull the trans is I pop the tie rod and lower ball joint. I then pop the axles out of the transmission and pull the passenger axle with the whole knuckle and rest the axle on the radius arm. The drivers axle I take a jackstand, pull the whole knuckle away from the car and put it on the jackstand.

If my mind serves me right when you drop the transmission you will have to lower the fifth gear side first.

[russiankid]

Yeah Autozone has a loaner program, just put a deposit on the tool and they loan it to you.

At the price of the tool should forget to return it

Advance Auto has a better kit. I rented the kit when I did the suspension on my BMW, and my brother and I pounded the living shit out of the pickle forks and they didn't have any damage.:flash:

[labeledsk8r]

You didn't have to go through the trouble of taking the whole suspension apart. The way I do it when I pull the trans is I pop the tie rod and lower ball joint. I then pop the axles out of the transmission and pull the passenger axle with the whole knuckle and rest the axle on the radius arm. The drivers axle I take a jackstand, pull the whole knuckle away from the car and put it on the jackstand.

If my mind serves me right when you drop the transmission you will have to lower the fifth gear side first.

im also rebuilding the suspention at the same time so unbolting it all now saves me the trouble of doing it later

[russiankid]

im also rebuilding the suspention at the same time so unbolting it all now saves me the trouble of doing it later

I see, I was to lazy to read the previous posts. As far as suspension bushings, you will need to get them pressed in. My brother and I have tried pressing them in ourselves with no luck. So you're better off finding a shop that will do it for you along with the lower ball joints.

[mushroom_toy]

Good deal man. If you havent done a tranny before it sucks...but just take your time and look at and unbolt anything on the tranny. Once you do this one youll be able to do one a lot faster.

[labeledsk8r]

Good deal man. If you havent done a tranny before it sucks...but just take your time and look at and unbolt anything on the tranny. Once you do this one youll be able to do one a lot faster.

yeah this is my first trans and its not going as fast as i had hoped....

heres how the car sits as of right now.
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y126/labeledsk8r/transwork18-24-08.jpg

[lostforawhile]

nah not unless ur replacing the shock since the spring is bolted to the shock so as long as u leave the spring attached to the shock u can remove the whole coil over
just remove the 3 bolts up top and the 1 big bolt on the bottom and pull it out
and ps to remove the upper control arms u need to remove the nuts in the engine bay or u will try for hours trying to get that long bolt out

u should get this tool for removeing ball joints and tie rod ends
http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff103/Dark_Accord/1987-Honda-Accord-DX/transmission-removel/394c82ff.jpg


hmmm i wonder where you got that tool

[russiankid]

Looks like you're off to a good start. Just make sure to label, and label, and label some more.

[2oodoor]

I see, I was to lazy to read the previous posts. As far as suspension bushings, you will need to get them pressed in. My brother and I have tried pressing them in ourselves with no luck. So you're better off finding a shop that will do it for you along with the lower ball joints.

You can get the u-joint press kit and or the Cont arm bushing press kit (and ball joint press kit) from the rentals at autozone or advance as well. I mention the u joint kit because it may have the smaller sizes in it, they are very similar tools anyway. It is free rentals btw you just have to "pay for it" then take it back..nothing shady that is how they do it.

[ghettogeddy]

You can get the u-joint press kit and or the Cont arm bushing press kit (and ball joint press kit) from the rentals at autozone or advance as well. I mention the u joint kit because it may have the smaller sizes in it, they are very similar tools anyway. It is free rentals btw you just have to "pay for it" then take it back..nothing shady that is how they do it.

they just take your card here they dont run anything lol

[lostforawhile]

as far as the lower control arm bushings,they will never press out. just put them out somewhere safe, set fire to the rubber part with a propane torch, and when it's burned out, then chisel out the metal sleeve. when the bushing is installed at the factory,the metal is heated and the bushing is frozen,it's an interference fit. it slides right in,until the metal cools and the bushing warms up. you can push the new one in the standard way. actually get some heavy threaded rod,some big fender washers,and nuts to go with the threaded rod. put the rod through the bushing center and the control arm,put a washer or two over each end, and start tightning. the washers will force the bushing into the arm. if you don't want to do this have a suspension shop do it. it takes a couple of minutes with a press. and they probably won't charge much.

[nswst8]

One thing you really need to do is put the bolts back in the place you took them from.

They all won't work this way but most will. This way your not trying to bust your skull finding the right bolt.

I use a piece of cardboard as I unbolt the trans I put the bolt into a pattern on the cardboard.

[A18A]

^great idea. it's a real fuck of ass when you lose the important bolts you need

[nswst8]

Its why I always bring extra bolts back from the junk yard runs.

[russiankid]

as far as the lower control arm bushings,they will never press out. just put them out somewhere safe, set fire to the rubber part with a propane torch, and when it's burned out, then chisel out the metal sleeve. when the bushing is installed at the factory,the metal is heated and the bushing is frozen,it's an interference fit. it slides right in,until the metal cools and the bushing warms up. you can push the new one in the standard way. actually get some heavy threaded rod,some big fender washers,and nuts to go with the threaded rod. put the rod through the bushing center and the control arm,put a washer or two over each end, and start tightning. the washers will force the bushing into the arm. if you don't want to do this have a suspension shop do it. it takes a couple of minutes with a press. and they probably won't charge much.

Another way, which is how I did my bushings(rear ones, same principal). I drilled out the rubber and removed the inner metal sleeve. Then took a hack saw and cut a slit in the outer metal casing. Then using socket big enough I hammered out the older sleeve. The cut relieves the tension that holds it on.

[MessyHonda]

wow...good progress

[labeledsk8r]

thanks guys, little update.. after work today and baying bills and such i pulled the shocks and springs and took the rest of the upper controle arms out... the wheel wells are mostly empty now... havent messed with the bushings yet..

im waiting on a bigger jack to hold the trans while i unbolt it, the one i have is to small

[labeledsk8r]

well i have the big jack and have been working on the trans itself now.. im haveing trouble getting bolts i cant seem to find them with all the damn hoseing in the car... im afrade i might have to drain the coolent and remove the hoses... something i really dont want to do

[nswst8]

You don't have to drain the coolant. You can work around them. I've done this twice.

[russiankid]

You don't have to drain the coolant. You can work around them. I've done this twice.

Agreed, you just need a long extension.

[labeledsk8r]

i know it doesnt HAVE to be drained.. but i just dont know were the bolts are.. i know i didnt get them all but i cant seem to locate them.. i have 20 years of oil and dirt in there lol.. its dark so i had to stop for today ima get up early and work on it .. tomarrow i will have another go at finding the hidden little buggers

[russiankid]

There are two I believe under the lower rad hose. Just reach your hand in there and search for them. There's also two bolts that are removed from under the car. They are for the dogbone mount, not sure if you removed that already. If you haven't, get under the car and feel for the two bolts.

[nswst8]

i know it doesnt HAVE to be drained.. but i just dont know were the bolts are.. i know i didnt get them all but i cant seem to locate them.. i have 20 years of oil and dirt in there lol.. its dark so i had to stop for today ima get up early and work on it .. tomarrow i will have another go at finding the hidden little buggers

Remove the top dogbone mount 5 bolts total (two 12 x 1.25 / three 10 x 1.25

Remove the bottom damper bracket (under transmission) 3 bolts 8 x 1.25

Remove the front transmission mount (connects the transmission to the engine) 3 bolts 10 x 1.25

Remove the 3 bolts connecting the rear transmision mount to the engine 10 x 1.25

Remove the clutch dust cover bottom of the transmission, I believe there are 2 bolt

Remove the starter 2 bolts 10 x 1.25

Remove the last 3 bolts 10 x 1.25 transmission to engine, these are the on the clutch lever/cable side of the transmission.

Now the trans will slide away fron the engine.

Email me and I'll email the diagram from the book

[labeledsk8r]

**still have a few left on the dogbone **Remove the top dogbone mount 5 bolts total (two 12 x 1.25 / three 10 x 1.25

**done, but was missing 1 bolt from the start**Remove the bottom damper bracket (under transmission) 3 bolts 8 x 1.25

**not sure wich ones these are i might have allready taken them off way before hand**Remove the front transmission mount (connects the transmission to the engine) 3 bolts 10 x 1.25

**done**Remove the 3 bolts connecting the rear transmision mount to the engine 10 x 1.25

**done**Remove the clutch dust cover bottom of the transmission, I believe there are 2 bolt

**done**Remove the starter 2 bolts 10 x 1.25

**2 of the 3 done**Remove the last 3 bolts 10 x 1.25 transmission to engine, these are the on the clutch lever/cable side of the transmission.

Now the trans will slide away fron the engine.

Email me and I'll email the diagram from the book

10's are 14s correct and 8s are 10's? one thing i noticed was every damn bolt is a diffrent length... dunno if thats normal.. i should have this out before i go to work tomorrow... also one thing i noticed about me working on new projects like this is that i have to stop after a few hours becuse i will get fed up becuse i feel im not moveing fast enough.. i think thats why i keep getting worried that im not finding them... stoping after a bit then going back at it gives me fresh eyes

[labeledsk8r]

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y126/labeledsk8r/transwork28-28-08.jpg

quick pic before i leave for work.. i will update later

[nswst8]

Good to see. Now you are over the half way point.

Well after this there won't be anything you can't tackle,

[Civic Accord Honda]

Ftw

[labeledsk8r]

just got off work so i will update.. i didnt have enough time to take the clutch or presure plate off.. the trans itself looks fine the spring is fine everytihng in the bellhouseing looks fine just super greasy.. i will get up early tomarrow and inspect it all before i go to work again, also how do i check to see if the throwout bearing is bad? another thing i just had this clutch installed but its allready coated in black buildup is this normal

[russiankid]

You need to check for freeplay in the bearing. It shouldn't have any play, if it has play replace it along with the spring. As far as black buildup, I didn't have any type of buildup when I pulled my trans off after I replaced the clutch a year ago. I had some dust from the clutch but it still looked clean. Mark the pressure plate and flywheel with whiteout so you can reinstall it correctly later. It may not make a difference but its a good piece of mind.

[A18A]

i think you should be able to check the throw out bearing by just spinning it with your finger, if it doesnt feel 100% smooth then it probably is bad, though im sure if it was bad, every time you touch the clutch while the car is running you will hear it making some kinda brushing sound. that build up is probably either old clutch dust that whoever installed the new clutch didnt clean it, or the new clutch sucks, or it wasnt installed properly (ie, tq'd properly) apparently im told that contains asbestos, so dont breathe it in :) jm2cw

[nswst8]

Remove the throw out bearing and check it for excessive play. Alot of slop equals bad bearing. It should spin smoothly.

How long ago did you have the clutch done?

[labeledsk8r]

Remove the throw out bearing and check it for excessive play. Alot of slop equals bad bearing. It should spin smoothly.

How long ago did you have the clutch done?

allrighty, and it was done at the end of feb

[Vanilla Sky]

To reiterate what was said about the clutch dust, DON'T BREATHE IT IN!!! Use brake cleaner to wash it away.

Make sure you can shift in and out of every gear. It may be a bit tight, but you don't have the leverage you normally would. The shifts should feel pretty crisp. If you absolutely can't get it into any particular gear, then I'm betting you have a bent shift rod.

[MessyHonda]

best of luck....i need to remove mine and get it rebuilt again...since its still under warranty

[A18A]

i want your brake lines!

[labeledsk8r]

lol.. allright i messed with the trans a bit... spring is good and retracts the throwout all the way back.. the bearing spins just fine and doesnt stick.... now the shif lever i 1 do not know how to shift it lol i can pll it out and in thats it i dont know wich way to push it to shift to other gears.. i tried up down and side to side and couldnt get it in any other gear

i really dont know what else to check

[nswst8]

To reiterate what was said about the clutch dust, DON'T BREATHE IT IN!!! Use brake cleaner to wash it away.

Make sure you can shift in and out of every gear. It may be a bit tight, but you don't have the leverage you normally would. The shifts should feel pretty crisp. If you absolutely can't get it into any particular gear, then I'm betting you have a bent shift rod.

DO NOT USE AEROSOL. Just a few drops of dawn and water to clean it. Wet it down first, then wash it off.

[nswst8]

lol.. allright i messed with the trans a bit... spring is good and retracts the throwout all the way back.. the bearing spins just fine and doesnt stick.... now the shif lever i 1 do not know how to shift it lol i can pll it out and in thats it i dont know wich way to push it to shift to other gears.. i tried up down and side to side and couldnt get it in any other gear

i really dont know what else to check


Put one of your axles back in and spin the tranny. Pull and push the shifter arm.

[labeledsk8r]

DO NOT USE AEROSOL. Just a few drops of dawn and water to clean it. Wet it down first, then wash it off.

no aerosol?? i allready sprayed it down with almost a can of break cleaner lol .. whats the problem with useing aerosol's?

also i pulled it in and out and it clicked just like going into gear but thats only 2 gears ,, im kinda scared to think this is the trans if so i need to buy one form someone asap becuse im running out of time i was only given 2 weeks to do this and im allready a week down and still dont know the problem

[A18A]

to test the other gears shift it back to the middle and twist it side to side & up and down like you would as if you where using the shifter. you might need to use a skrewdriver or something for leverage though. also in each gear spin the input shaft and see if the axles move like the should (1 going foward, other going backwards)

[nswst8]

no aerosol?? i allready sprayed it down with almost a can of break cleaner lol .. whats the problem with useing aerosol's?

also i pulled it in and out and it clicked just like going into gear but thats only 2 gears ,, im kinda scared to think this is the trans if so i need to buy one form someone asap becuse im running out of time i was only given 2 weeks to do this and im allready a week down and still dont know the problem


If it is an asbestos clutch disk (which I doubt, too many lawsuits) the aerosol will put the finer particles in the air around you. And if you don't have the apropriate respirator, guess where the particles are going. Into the lungs.

Just like the brakes, wet them down first then wash them off. Brakes are exposed to the elements so a dawn water bath will do no harm, then you use the brake cleaner to remove heavier grease deposits,

[2oodoor]

[QUOTE=labeledsk8r;89638410's are 14s correct and 8s are 10's? one thing i noticed was every damn bolt is a diffrent length... dunno if thats normal.. i should have this out before i go to work tomorrow... also one thing i noticed about me working on new projects like this is that i have to stop after a few hours becuse i will get fed up becuse i feel im not moveing fast enough.. i think thats why i keep getting worried that im not finding them... stoping after a bit then going back at it gives me fresh eyes[/QUOTE]

make sure the correct length bolts go in their perpective holes !

I know what you mean about stopping and coming back to it later, that is naturally how it goes even with the pros. I hate it when something takes way longer than it was supposed to, ahhhhh im there right now.

[russiankid]

You don't move the rod up and down when you shift. It only goes side to side in and out. If I remember correctly, rod going to the left and out is first, to the left and in is 2nd, in the center and out is 3rd, in is 4th. 5th is to the right and out, and reverse is to the right and in.

This is if you are looking at the transmission from the back of it where the shifter connects, sitting upright of course the way it would be in the car.

[labeledsk8r]

You don't move the rod up and down when you shift. It only goes side to side in and out. If I remember correctly, rod going to the left and out is first, to the left and in is 2nd, in the center and out is 3rd, in is 4th. 5th is to the right and out, and reverse is to the right and in.

This is if you are looking at the transmission from the back of it where the shifter connects, sitting upright of course the way it would be in the car.

well thats what i tried.. i will try it agian i na few.. if thats the case i could not get it out of 2nd and 3rd... when the car broke i was in second... could the trans be locked in that gearset??

[nswst8]

I do hope you can get it fixed, trannys are not my favorite thing to work on wouldn't even know how to give you advice.

Good luck,
Phil

[russiankid]

well thats what i tried.. i will try it agian i na few.. if thats the case i could not get it out of 2nd and 3rd... when the car broke i was in second... could the trans be locked in that gearset??

There could be a chance. Give it another try, if you don't have luck then start hunting for a replacement trans.:violin:

I have had my transmission not shift at all on very hot days. I would shift out of fifth and go into 4th and it won't go in. I have to double clutch to make it go into 4th, my guess is a synchro acting up.