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bullard123
07-08-2008, 07:08 PM
I finally got around to taking some more pics of my hatch. You guys enjoy! Updated mod list

1988 Honda Accord Si

B20A engine swap (Blacktop w/ goldtop cams)
Custom two tone gunmetal/silver paint job
90-93 integra Full Bodykit
Shaved rear emblems
05 Civic Si Badge
17 X7 Drag DDR Gunmetal rims w/ polished lip
Custom clear/red tails
Custom clear 3rd brake light
Shaved side mouldings
Custom Toyota Scion Tc Hood scoop
H4 Headlights w/ Housings
Jdm sidemarkers
Sprint 2.25 inch lowering Springs
Tokico Struts
Koyo Hi flow Radiator
Custom Dual exhaust with Dual tip Muffers
205/40/17 Wanli Tires
Redone gunmetal/ Gray interior
Sei cupholders w/center console
Jdm style hood grille
Colormatched mirrors
Carbon fiber windshield wipers
Carbonfiber floor mats
Grey seat belt swap
New windshield

Mods to come

Shaved licsense plate area
Fog lights
Blue underbody Neons
1.5 inch lowering Springs in rear

http://img510.imageshack.us/img510/7302/775704r10618hf1.jpg
http://img510.imageshack.us/img510/9408/775704r10420bt9.jpg
http://img234.imageshack.us/img234/8701/775704r10519yb0.jpg
http://img510.imageshack.us/img510/4753/775704r10321dx7.jpg
http://img510.imageshack.us/img510/531/775704r10915kg5.jpg
http://img510.imageshack.us/img510/9215/775704r10717fx8.jpg
http://img510.imageshack.us/img510/5414/775704r10816rv9.jpg

russiankid
07-08-2008, 07:17 PM
Damn your rear wheel is totally...not straight. Anyways, looking good, both the car and the model:D.

ghettogeddy
07-08-2008, 07:19 PM
foot off the paint lol


anyways looking good did you get a new camera the pics look 10x better then the last ones

84Accord
07-08-2008, 07:23 PM
looks really good! great work!

and i like the hood prop on pic 5 haha

EX-ileAccord
07-08-2008, 07:28 PM
Looks good man.

Pico
07-08-2008, 07:30 PM
Sweet.
You got her done :rockon:

A18A
07-08-2008, 07:32 PM
looks awesome :D and yeah wheel alignment very ftw unless you can easily afford new tyres lol. do the lights ever go down? i noticed in every pic ive seen of that car since you painted it, the lights where always up

cubert
07-08-2008, 07:48 PM
not my particular style in cars....but i give you 100% props on your car...it looks outstanding...as does the model :thumbup:

bullard123
07-08-2008, 07:50 PM
foot off the paint lol


anyways looking good did you get a new camera the pics look 10x better then the last ones
Yeah I bought it about a year ago. Its a Canon Eos Rebel. Yep keep the foot off of the paint:)

bullard123
07-08-2008, 07:57 PM
looks awesome :D and yeah wheel alignment very ftw unless you can easily afford new tyres lol. do the lights ever go down? i noticed in every pic ive seen of that car since you painted it, the lights where always up

Nope the lights don't go down. They could but I would have to cut into the bodykit and I didn't want to do that:lol: I actually took the motors out of my headlights when I first got it done because I was so use to using them lol

bullard123
07-08-2008, 08:00 PM
Damn your rear wheel is totally...not straight. Anyways, looking good, both the car and the model:D.

Yeah freaking tow truck drivers:burn: I gotta get a new rear upper control arm and another alignment. I just realized this happened or I would have made the tow company pay for it

import racer
07-09-2008, 09:07 AM
looking good man,i always liked the hatchbacks.i had an 87 about 7 years ago but needed too much work.

2oodoor
07-09-2008, 10:21 AM
congrats! it is coming right along
got a hotty all over it already too...good man !
It must the the angle of the picture, but the motor looks like it is low on the drivers' side. More engine compt pics?
http://img510.imageshack.us/img510/531/775704r10915kg5.jpg

TWOLOUDNPROUD
07-09-2008, 10:32 AM
Sweet

TWOLOUDNPROUD
07-09-2008, 10:39 AM
bullard123 Go here> http://3geez.com/forum/showthread.php?t=65420

bullard123
07-09-2008, 12:40 PM
congrats! it is coming right along
got a hotty all over it already too...good man !
It must the the angle of the picture, but the motor looks like it is low on the drivers' side. More engine compt pics?
http://img510.imageshack.us/img510/531/775704r10915kg5.jpg
Yep it does from that picture. You made me go outside to make sure all of the motor mounts were bolted down lol. Yeah I think its just the angle

bullard123
07-09-2008, 12:41 PM
bullard123 Go here> http://3geez.com/forum/showthread.php?t=65420

:cheers:

TWOLOUDNPROUD
07-09-2008, 04:19 PM
Yep it does from that picture. You made me go outside to make sure all of the motor mounts were bolted down lol. Yeah I think its just the angle

My B20a sit's the same way and i have on idea why:uh:

http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n80/TwoLoudNproud/PICT0009001_0001.jpg

mushroom_toy
07-09-2008, 09:13 PM
Koyo?

labeledsk8r
07-09-2008, 09:15 PM
looks really nice man, congrats on getting the b20 in and running, i bet it feels good to have it driveable again

chowder
07-09-2008, 09:34 PM
im gonna get my B20a swap someday hah i think ill have to get all my body worl custom to reduce weight (i.e. custom kit). + carb to efi swap, but i gotta keep the phoenix red paint in the spirit of the rare trim of the 88 dx

AccordB20A
07-09-2008, 10:28 PM
mine doesnt

http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/ff295/88vigor/100_7404Large.jpg

A18A
07-09-2008, 10:34 PM
neither does mine
http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/ff295/88vigor/100_7403Large.jpg
har har

AccordB20A
07-09-2008, 10:38 PM
must be a CA5 thing. mind you my car used to have a carbed a18 engine in it. but its a CA1 not CA5. Must be a USDM factory thing

Civic Accord Honda
07-09-2008, 11:09 PM
pure sex mayne

MessyHonda
07-09-2008, 11:21 PM
looks good.....yeah get that rear fixed.

knarg
07-09-2008, 11:22 PM
yeah the engine tilted over like that does look odd... hmm

is it really that noticeable in person?

hatch is looking good by the way. i envy your b20a

bullard123
07-10-2008, 10:00 AM
Thanks for the comments. I think it might be the bent control arm that is making it not sit even. Its not noticable at all in person. That is getting fixed today so I'll take some pics then. My ecu is on the way from Wohdog as well. Can't wait o see how it runs without the check engine light on

2oodoor
07-10-2008, 11:39 AM
That is a good preview of things to come, looks just like mine except mine will have a howling weber on it owwwwwww
http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/ff295/88vigor/100_7403Large.jpg

thegreatdane
07-10-2008, 02:59 PM
My B20a sit's the same way and i have on idea why:uh:

http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n80/TwoLoudNproud/PICT0009001_0001.jpg


I dont know about yours, but maybe bullard is using 86-87 front engine mount bracket and 88-89 front mount (or the other way around)?

86ccord
07-10-2008, 05:23 PM
looks good bro!

AccordB20A
07-10-2008, 06:44 PM
on mine i am using two rear mounts. did away with that gay round one at the front cause i wanted something that was easy to fill with urethane

dont the 88-89 front mounts have longer bolts to fit thru the thicker cast iron mount bracket on the block

it actually allmost looks like its the dog bone holding it up lol

Cheeseburger
07-11-2008, 08:44 AM
looks good bullard, i wouldn't drive the car with the rear tire like that lol.

bullard123
07-11-2008, 11:46 AM
looks good bullard, i wouldn't drive the car with the rear tire like that lol.

Its actually not too bad,Its gonna be parked over the weekend though cause I gotta get a alignment Monday. Im staying away from tow trucks for a while though lol. ;)

carotman
07-12-2008, 06:56 AM
Mine used to sit that way too. Ever since I replaced the front mount with a custom one it's fixed now.

It could be related to the timing belt side mount tough.

Toneloc5145
07-13-2008, 08:39 PM
The car looks great Bullard. Good job getting the B20 rollin. Def get that wheel fixed, might cause a disaster. It almost makes it look like it has 4ws.

TheAsianInside
07-13-2008, 08:46 PM
How Charles...The Hatch is looking great...I'm trying to sell mine now because I'm getting a 240sx...We'll have to take our cars to the track someday and see how they run...Where did you do the engine swap at? I'm not too sure if you knew but I did a swap in my Sentra...I put in a NEO VVL which is Nissan's version of VTEC...Anyways if you know anyone who might be interested in my 3G please let me know...I'm trying to get around 2300 for it...Anyways nice job again on the 3G...Later...Justin

bullard123
07-14-2008, 03:45 PM
Mine used to sit that way too. Ever since I replaced the front mount with a custom one it's fixed now.

It could be related to the timing belt side mount tough.
The timing belt mount is the same as the U.S. one right?

bullard123
07-14-2008, 03:47 PM
The car looks great Bullard. Good job getting the B20 rollin. Def get that wheel fixed, might cause a disaster. It almost makes it look like it has 4ws.

Yeah its definately causing camber issues as well.

bullard123
07-14-2008, 03:51 PM
How Charles...The Hatch is looking great...I'm trying to sell mine now because I'm getting a 240sx...We'll have to take our cars to the track someday and see how they run...Where did you do the engine swap at? I'm not too sure if you knew but I did a swap in my Sentra...I put in a NEO VVL which is Nissan's version of VTEC...Anyways if you know anyone who might be interested in my 3G please let me know...I'm trying to get around 2300 for it...Anyways nice job again on the 3G...Later...Justin

What up Justin. I gotta see your Nissan, it sounds pretty dope. You can put your accord on ebay. Im sure it will sell. I got the engine from Wohdog here on 3geez. It took me almost a year to get all of the parts for it

bullard123
07-26-2008, 04:58 PM
Well I was right. It was a bent lower control arm. I had the tow company come out and verify the damage and filed a claim. Here is a pic of the control arm
http://img154.imageshack.us/img154/5695/img0024cg4.jpg
http://img154.imageshack.us/img154/4979/img0025rh4.jpg

AccordB20A
07-26-2008, 05:02 PM
Damn thats bent!!!!!!!!! I thought it would have had more toe on the wheel than that with that large bend lol

knarg
07-26-2008, 05:12 PM
wow, that is a serious bend!

guaynabo89
07-29-2008, 07:01 AM
Looks good man.

I havent kept up with your engine thread but glad to see after all those issues you had that the b20 is finally in and runnig.

bullard123
07-29-2008, 07:13 AM
Looks good man.

I havent kept up with your engine thread but glad to see after all those issues you had that the b20 is finally in and runnig.
Thanks. Yeah Im glad its finally up and running. I still have to get the check engine light taken care of but other than that she runns good!

A18A
08-01-2008, 10:58 AM
congrats on winning aom, that was a really close one haha

MessyHonda
08-14-2008, 10:55 AM
nice man

AccordB20A
08-14-2008, 01:45 PM
engine runs mint now? doesnt missfire or anything any vids of it boomin on full throttle yet

bullard123
08-14-2008, 02:43 PM
engine runs mint now? doesnt missfire or anything any vids of it boomin on full throttle yet

It runs good but I think it lacks power because of the O2 sensor. I can't wait to see how it runs with the check engine light off. When I give it full throttle it almost dies....The new ecu should fix that though

bullard123
08-14-2008, 02:45 PM
nice man Messy where have you been? Haven't seen you on lately

A18A
08-14-2008, 03:40 PM
cool and get vids when it's running mint :) :) :)

TWOLOUDNPROUD
08-18-2008, 11:21 AM
SWEET:thumbup:

AccordB20A
08-18-2008, 01:38 PM
the gold top ecu will make redundant any EGR, IACV and some other sensor. Have you got an O2 sensor?

when u has the ecu i would love to see a dyno result to see how close to a goldtop you can get a blacktop just by using goldtop parts

bullard123
08-19-2008, 11:21 AM
the gold top ecu will make redundant any EGR, IACV and some other sensor. Have you got an O2 sensor?

when u has the ecu i would love to see a dyno result to see how close to a goldtop you can get a blacktop just by using goldtop parts
Yes I have the one O2 sensor. Im getting the check engine light because the Pk2 Ecu requires 2 02 sensors. The only thing I have to figure out is will I have to change the crank sensor/tdc and igniter wires that I ran to make the Pk2 ecu work. I know Carotman said that the ecu's were very similar. And yes I can't wait to get it dynoed to see what kind of numbers she puts down mostly stock:). I heard the altitude here in Colorado kills horsepower also so I'll keep that in mind also when it gets dynoed

A18A
08-19-2008, 05:01 PM
i would think they are the same. you should try adding that missing diode in your pk2 and see if that would stop the 2nd O2 sensor error code :o

chino4u
08-25-2008, 08:01 PM
:crying:nice...man i miss my hatch...

AccordB20A
08-25-2008, 08:34 PM
Your Gold Top Ecu is sent airmail. arent you lucky. should be there in 4-10 days
i can help hook it up if you have any problems.

bullard123
08-26-2008, 01:51 PM
Cool :rockon: . I'll let you know if I have any problems

AccordB20A
08-26-2008, 03:03 PM
i didnt know u needed a water pump. should have told me before i shipped the ecu as i have a near new one thats done like 20,000kms on my old motor running coolant all its life

bullard123
08-26-2008, 06:05 PM
i didnt know u needed a water pump. should have told me before i shipped the ecu as i have a near new one thats done like 20,000kms on my old motor running coolant all its life
I sold a spare one that I had to Roodoo after he checked his B20A . I replaced the one on the B20A you sent me before I dropped it in. Can't wait to get it dynoed when the ecu gets here to solve this Goldtop/Blacktop mystery :)

AccordB20A
08-26-2008, 10:43 PM
indeed i musked that up hahA

bullard123
09-05-2008, 03:37 PM
Got some New Zealand mail today
http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/4646/img0035ls3.jpg
http://img356.imageshack.us/img356/1479/img0036mx5.jpg

TWOLOUDNPROUD
09-05-2008, 05:53 PM
The penout is not the same as the PK2 so don't just plug it in talk to carotman on the wiring.

AccordB20A
09-05-2008, 06:07 PM
yes i have advised him that it wont plug right in. removing pin B15 and 17 and putting them into A8

bullard123
09-05-2008, 07:51 PM
yes i have advised him that it wont plug right in. removing pin B15 and 17 and putting them into A8

Ok cool. I was wondering how it went. Is there a diagraham for the Ph3 Ecu on here?

AccordB20A
09-05-2008, 07:58 PM
http://www.3geez.com/forum/showthread.php?t=185

AccordB20A
09-05-2008, 07:58 PM
since the search doesnt work

bullard123
09-05-2008, 08:05 PM
Thanks for locating that. I was looking for it for about a hour lol. So Im taking the wires from B15 and B17 and splicing them into the A8 igniter wire?

AccordB20A
09-06-2008, 01:04 AM
if you follow the wires b15 and b17 back in the loom you will see they will both join back into one wire. dont ask me why the ecu needs the same wire to enter twice but yeah. any one of the two will work i belive

TWOLOUDNPROUD
09-06-2008, 12:28 PM
If it the 88-89 PH3 ecu you can plug it in the wiring harness i made you for the PK2 Ecu and it wil work.

AccordB20A
09-06-2008, 02:03 PM
its an 85 b20a goldtop ecu without EGR IACV and other crap

bullard123
09-06-2008, 07:18 PM
If it the 88-89 PH3 ecu you can plug it in the wiring harness i made you for the PK2 Ecu and it wil work.
yeah its from a 85-87 goldtop


its an 85 b20a goldtop ecu without EGR IACV and other crap

Ok so that shouldn't affect anything on my blacktop when its hooked up right? I didn't get around to doing it today but I'll definately start on it next week

AccordB20A
09-06-2008, 08:41 PM
i cant remember what intake manifold you are runninbg

Tomisimo
09-07-2008, 02:47 AM
Do you have picks of your exhaust lineup? how you direct tubes?

thanks.

bullard123
09-07-2008, 06:49 AM
i cant remember what intake manifold you are runninbg

Im using the stock A20A3 intake manifold

A18A
09-07-2008, 07:00 AM
a 88-89 at that, same as the black top one. i dont think the engine will be too happy at high rpms without the dual runners working (using a gold top ecu), unless you just put the vacuum line coming off that straight into the manifold so they're always open. you can also get rid of the egr now too :)

bullard123
09-07-2008, 07:02 AM
Do you have picks of your exhaust lineup? how you direct tubes?

thanks.

Yes this is the only one I could find. The dual exhaust is from the cat back

http://img241.imageshack.us/img241/8593/img0146pw4.jpg

Tomisimo
09-07-2008, 10:17 AM
okei..

Because I wont to do the same on my 3gee, I was wondering how you directed tubes there.. well I'll figure that out..

thx

bullard123
09-07-2008, 02:24 PM
okei..

Because I wont to do the same on my 3gee, I was wondering how you directed tubes there.. well I'll figure that out..

thx

I had it done professionally at a exhaust shop

bullard123
09-07-2008, 02:26 PM
a 88-89 at that, same as the black top one. i dont think the engine will be too happy at high rpms without the dual runners working (using a gold top ecu), unless you just put the vacuum line coming off that straight into the manifold so they're always open. you can also get rid of the egr now too :)

Good valid points:)

EX-ileAccord
09-08-2008, 03:23 PM
so you just leave pin 15 and 17 blank, and run them at a8? but now by running the gold top ecu with the a20 intake manifold, Its not going to work properly at high rpms. So really theres no point in running the ph3, because its not going to work right. :banghead:

bullard123
09-08-2008, 04:14 PM
so you just leave pin 15 and 17 blank, and run them at a8? but now by running the gold top ecu with the a20 intake manifold, Its not going to work properly at high rpms. So really theres no point in running the ph3, because its not going to work right. :banghead:

I thought the A20 and B20 intake manifold's were the same?

TWOLOUDNPROUD
09-08-2008, 04:22 PM
bullard123 have you put the PH3 ecu in yet? If you haven't put it in yet i have a idea that will save you from rewiring your ecu again. I can pull the fuel and timing map's off the PH3 and burn to a new chip to use in the PK2.That up to you if you want to do that. Let me know also i have a extra PK2 ecu i can chip for you. All i would for you i the PH3 Ecu for i can get the maps off of it.

A18A
09-08-2008, 04:24 PM
they are, most gold top engines dont have egr thingies though, but other than that, they're the same (from my knowledge).

TWOLOUDNPROUD
09-08-2008, 04:26 PM
I thought the A20 and B20 intake manifold's were the same?

The PH3 ecu you got is set up for the older intake like the 86-87 FI you have the 88-89 FI intake on your b20a

AccordB20A
09-08-2008, 04:38 PM
USE A B16A INTAKE MANIFOLD

and all your problems will be solved bullard. My car actually goes very well. Remove the IACV bullshit valve off the back of it as the gold top ecu doesnt support it and your sweet. it has a fast idle valve under the TB you hook the water lines to for the cold start idle up. theres no EGR, no intake runner length changing butterflys and its clean, and theres LOTS of space behind the engine. i can reach all the lower intake bolts and oil filter and alternator and PCV so easily. you can fit your head down there lol

bullard123
09-08-2008, 05:48 PM
bullard123 have you put the PH3 ecu in yet? If you haven't put it in yet i have a idea that will save you from rewiring your ecu again. I can pull the fuel and timing map's off the PH3 and burn to a new chip to use in the PK2.That up to you if you want to do that. Let me know also i have a extra PK2 ecu i can chip for you. All i would for you i the PH3 Ecu for i can get the maps off of it.

Nope I haven't put it in yet. Will this solve the O2 sensor issue by taking parts off the Ph3 ecu and putting them on the Pk2? If so I'll just send it to you

bullard123
09-08-2008, 06:04 PM
USE A B16A INTAKE MANIFOLD

and all your problems will be solved bullard. My car actually goes very well. Remove the IACV bullshit valve off the back of it as the gold top ecu doesnt support it and your sweet. it has a fast idle valve under the TB you hook the water lines to for the cold start idle up. theres no EGR, no intake runner length changing butterflys and its clean, and theres LOTS of space behind the engine. i can reach all the lower intake bolts and oil filter and alternator and PCV so easily. you can fit your head down there lol

Im going to look into this as well. Are you using a oem B16A intake manifold or a aftermarket one?

AccordB20A
09-08-2008, 06:08 PM
OEM one from a b16a2. have ta do some cutting and chopping. but they look way better than the ugly b20a 88-89 one

HondaSi88
09-15-2008, 04:38 PM
I respect the work you put in!.....engine,paint,rims but the body kit isn't working for me...

bullard123
09-15-2008, 07:01 PM
I respect the work you put in!.....engine,paint,rims but the body kit isn't working for me...
Hey its all good bro....to each his own

HondaSi88
09-16-2008, 07:50 AM
its not a knock...........the paint is crazy!

bullard123
09-16-2008, 02:07 PM
its not a knock...........the paint is crazy!

Thanks. I wasn't upset or anything. I know different people have different tastes in cars. To me its kind of like art...you can express your ideas in your ride so that everyone can see:thumbup:

2oodoor
09-16-2008, 02:56 PM
USE A B16A INTAKE MANIFOLD

i can reach all the lower intake bolts and oil filter and alternator and PCV so easily. you can fit your head down there lol
this is DEFINATLEY a reason to go for it

EX-ileAccord
09-17-2008, 03:00 PM
I should have my b16 intake mani installed by the weekend bullard. I'll let you know how it turns out, hopefully better then the ecu.

bullard123
09-17-2008, 03:09 PM
Cool! Yes let me know. I'm planning on getting one too as we speak. Maybe you can do a how-to while you are at it?

bullard123
09-29-2008, 11:46 AM
Got my Ph3 Ecu back from Twoloudnproud today. Thanks Tommy for redoing the fuel and timing maps!

AccordB20A
09-29-2008, 01:08 PM
lets hope it doesnt give you error codes.

what did he do to it exactly?

bullard123
09-29-2008, 02:42 PM
lets hope it doesnt give you error codes.

what did he do to it exactly?

He pulled the fuel and timing map's off the PH3 and burned them to a new chip to use in the PK2

bullard123
09-29-2008, 05:30 PM
Here is a quick vid after I installed the goldtop ecu
http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&VideoID=43778304

AccordB20A
09-29-2008, 08:30 PM
hows she run any better?

bullard123
09-29-2008, 08:32 PM
hows she run any better?

Yes it runs better but the check engine light is still on. I gotta figure out something with that O2 sensor so I can get this thing dynoed

EX-ileAccord
09-29-2008, 09:14 PM
Are you running an egr tube?

AccordB20A
09-29-2008, 10:38 PM
Should have just used the whole ph3 ecu and changed the ignitor wire like isaid. would have fixed the pgmfi light right away.

bullard123
09-30-2008, 05:05 AM
Are you running an egr tube?
Nope, Just the egr valve. I was thinking about replacing that as well but I read somewhere that it could be taken off and cleaned

bullard123
10-01-2008, 11:13 AM
Should have just used the whole ph3 ecu and changed the ignitor wire like isaid. would have fixed the pgmfi light right away.

Yes I still have that in mind also. Tommy sent me the maps from the Ph3 also so I can just switch them back into the goldtop ecu if I wanted to

AccordB20A
10-01-2008, 12:09 PM
yeah, it still sounds like your engine bogs down really hard out when u give it throttle, mine doesnt sound like that it spools faster aswell. If you ever have any spare cash to upgrade to the b16a2 manifold its well worth it, no crap like egr on that one lol, i did away with the iacv since i was running the gold top ecu and for the fast idle i just used the fast idle valve under the TB, works like a charm, starts 1st crank every morning and doesnt miss a beat. even tho the motor is rooted and smokes like a whore

bullard123
10-01-2008, 12:16 PM
yeah, it still sounds like your engine bogs down really hard out when u give it throttle, mine doesnt sound like that it spools faster aswell. If you ever have any spare cash to upgrade to the b16a2 manifold its well worth it, no crap like egr on that one lol, i did away with the iacv since i was running the gold top ecu and for the fast idle i just used the fast idle valve under the TB, works like a charm, starts 1st crank every morning and doesnt miss a beat. even tho the motor is rooted and smokes like a whore

Yes Im planning on geting that one. I ve heard smoe good things about it. Exile Accord is going to send me his after he installls his aftermarket one. And yes the engine still boggs down. I can't wait to get it running like you had it in that vid you posted

AccordB20A
10-01-2008, 09:18 PM
Same will be good to see it having all its horsepowers back

TheAsianInside
10-09-2008, 08:53 AM
What's goin' on Charles? Sounds like the 3G is coming along nicely. We still need to go to the dyno when you get your car done. I've been tweeking my Nissan and it seems to get better gas mileage but the power seems to stay the same. I bought a Nissan NX2000 for my new project. Let me know when you get your car done...Talk to you later

bullard123
10-09-2008, 10:30 AM
What's goin' on Charles? Sounds like the 3G is coming along nicely. We still need to go to the dyno when you get your car done. I've been tweeking my Nissan and it seems to get better gas mileage but the power seems to stay the same. I bought a Nissan NX2000 for my new project. Let me know when you get your car done...Talk to you later

Yeah man I never knew your Nissan was that fast lol You need to get some vids of that thing up asap. So you bought a new one? I'll have to come up there and check it out:)

evil88accordLX
10-09-2008, 10:31 AM
have you considered tapping a second o2 sensor behind the cat to make the ecu happy? my friend had to do that on his AE86 corolla after installing a 20 valve blacktop for the same reason. cel went off afterwards.

and yes, the air in Denver is thinner due to altitude, so you will get screwed out of some power.

bullard123
10-09-2008, 10:34 AM
have you considered tapping a second o2 sensor behind the cat to make the ecu happy? my friend had to do that on his AE86 corolla after installing a 20 valve blacktop for the same reason. cel went off afterwards.

and yes, the air in Denver is thinner due to altitude, so you will get screwed out of some power.

No I never thought of that. Thats a great idea. Yeah the altitude here sucks..I can't wait to see what numbers she puts up on the dyno though. Do you stay in Denver?

rfiks
10-10-2008, 09:03 AM
Good Job

evil88accordLX
10-10-2008, 11:20 AM
No I never thought of that. Thats a great idea. Yeah the altitude here sucks..I can't wait to see what numbers she puts up on the dyno though. Do you stay in Denver?

no, i live in Arkansas. would like to go to Denver to go skiing sometime though.

bullard123
10-10-2008, 12:13 PM
no, i live in Arkansas. would like to go to Denver to go skiing sometime though.

Yeah we get a lot of tourists here for the ski season and mountain climbing. The slopes will probably open before this month is over

TheAsianInside
10-16-2008, 08:29 AM
I'd love to post some vids, but I have no camera yet...But I still need to get the thing dyno'd asap...Did you ever find out how much the dyno is up in Denver?

bullard123
10-16-2008, 09:16 PM
I'd love to post some vids, but I have no camera yet...But I still need to get the thing dyno'd asap...Did you ever find out how much the dyno is up in Denver?

It's here in the springs. Its $80 for a base run. Hit me up whenever you are ready to go by there. I'll bring my camera to take some vids

2oodoor
10-17-2008, 04:21 AM
I remember a while back someone was having this issue with a civic, and it was the Intake Air Temp sensor making the 02 code go off.

TheAsianInside
10-18-2008, 07:18 PM
$80 a run is a great deal...What's the place called? I might want to go this upcoming thursday...

bullard123
10-19-2008, 08:31 PM
$80 a run is a great deal...What's the place called? I might want to go this upcoming thursday...

Its called Revoluitions Performance. Its located off of Wasatch and Vermijo. Let me know what time you are going if you go Thursday

MessyHonda
10-20-2008, 07:59 PM
i cant wait to see the dyno numbers....but do your secondaries open? since you are running a 86-87 style computer

bullard123
10-22-2008, 07:11 AM
Well finally got some good news. Me and an anonymous member of this site managed to get rid of all of the check engine codes from the ecu last night.
Here are the codes that we pulled

Code 8 - TDC SENSOR
Code 5- Manifold Absolute Pressure (MAP)
and on my way home lol
Code 12- EGR (probably because im using the goldtop ecu)

I finally got to open it up on the way home. She accelerates very nicely!

Dyno and vids will be coming as soon as I get some other issues worked out

AccordB20A
10-22-2008, 01:23 PM
gold top ecu i send you has no error code for EGR at all so its not that. did you fix the map sensor issue and the TDC sensor? I would like to see vids

bullard123
10-22-2008, 01:58 PM
gold top ecu i send you has no error code for EGR at all so its not that. did you fix the map sensor issue and the TDC sensor? I would like to see vids

Yes its fixed. It ran nicely for the brief time the check engine light was out. Don't know what caused the egr code though. I'll check it out this weekend along with get the timing adjusted right and some more spark plugs

89T
10-23-2008, 04:01 AM
gold top ecu i send you has no error code for EGR at all so its not that. did you fix the map sensor issue and the TDC sensor? I would like to see vids
i don't think it is the ecu, there are some wiring issues between the accord cabin harness and the prelude engine harness.
the car was throwing a code 4 initially and after some tracing and rewiring that issue was taken care of.

once we fixed that it threw a map code. that turned out to be a loose connection.

as for the egr i am guessing it will be a wiring issue as well. i may have to re-pin the prelude harness or hunt down a connection problem.

any one know the correct timming for the b20a? 15 deg +/-2

also is there anything special i need to do to set it? unplug green/white wire between engine/cabin harness.

bullard123
10-24-2008, 08:51 PM
We finally got the B20A running right. Holy smokes! It has some real nice power. I'll get vids posted asap. Thanks again 89 turbo'ed!

89T
10-25-2008, 05:07 AM
:thumbup:
we soldiered a few more connections and set the timing and she smoothed out abit more, but it still didn't seem right.

she sounded like a toned down scoobaru which led me to believe there was a cylinder misfire or a faulty injector.

we commenced to pull injector plugs to test the injectors and when we got to injector #2 the wires pulled right out of the plug.wtf....

the injectors tested at 2.8-2.7-2.8-2.8(ohms)

we repaired the plug hooked everything back up and fired her up...

the idle was smooth as silk!

we still need to do some research on the egr.

bullard did you get any codes on the way home?

bullard123
10-25-2008, 05:51 AM
Yep. Kept getting the check engine light for the egr. It was going on and off.

bullard123
10-26-2008, 07:23 AM
Vid is up!
http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.myvideos&ipstr=71.211.47.29

bullard123
10-29-2008, 02:20 PM
Cleaned the B20A up
http://img411.imageshack.us/img411/1992/img0084fi1.jpg
http://img511.imageshack.us/img511/227/img0085qn1.jpg
http://img253.imageshack.us/img253/3923/img0086ug9.jpg

2oodoor
10-29-2008, 02:35 PM
looking good!!
I posted up a schematic for that circuit on another thread last week. It shows the signal for the egr sensor going thru the coolant temp (ecu) sensor. So my question is, these ecu are pre obd, and use single wire O2 so how can it tell which one is at fault, AND it looks like the coolant sensor could be a type of diode or has a checked current flow and could be hooked up backwards? also note the intake air temp sensor in regards to the signal circuit EDIT, Thermistor may be what the ECT is , so it could possibly be polarity sensitive or damaged it if was crossed.
http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t280/roodoo2/1223995280.jpg

Civic Accord Honda
10-29-2008, 03:12 PM
looks good but you sir need a hood prop haha