Turbo'ed A20A3- A few questions.

[Josh89accord]

I'm thinking about turbo'ing my Honda, its got a A20a3 engine with less than 100,000 on it, brand new rod bearins, and regular maintenance ( oil change ECT.) every 3000 miles. Its been taken care of. Now, as for a turbo, Where could I get a manifold for it? I know I'll need a waste gate, BOV, piping, intercooler, ECT. But I was wondering if a T3/T4 for a B-series honda would work decent on the A-series motor? Also, whats a good brand turbo, and something thats half way cheap. If I do this, I want to boost it 6-8 PSI, and around 200 WHP. Is this possible for under a grand? I'll have more questions later, thanks!

[LiTtLe xOx BitT]

First off are you manual or auto? If your auto i dont think it will handel boost without being rebuilt well. If you are manual, you will need a good clutch setup which is going to be around $200-$350 depending on what brand you get. A turbo manifold will have to be custom made, so if you cant do it you will probably spend like $300-$500 to have one made at a shop. You can use a T3/T4 that will be fine. The basic turbo stuff like turbo, wastegate, intercooler, injectors, fuel pump you can probably get at junkyards so the cost of that can vary. then you need to tune it so the cheapest and easiest thing would be to use a BTM and a SAFC controller which will be like $200 for used ones. The price your going to spend on your setup all depends on how cheap you can find things for and if you can do the work yourself. Also if your not building up the internals of the engine do a compression test and make sure everything is working and be careful on how much boost you run 6-8psi shuld be ok if the motor is in good condition.

[Josh89accord]

First off are you manual or auto? If your auto i dont think it will handel boost without being rebuilt well. If you are manual, you will need a good clutch setup which is going to be around $200-$350 depending on what brand you get. A turbo manifold will have to be custom made, so if you cant do it you will probably spend like $300-$500 to have one made at a shop. You can use a T3/T4 that will be fine. The basic turbo stuff like turbo, wastegate, intercooler, injectors, fuel pump you can probably get at junkyards so the cost of that can vary. then you need to tune it so the cheapest and easiest thing would be to use a BTM and a SAFC controller which will be like $200 for used ones. The price your going to spend on your setup all depends on how cheap you can find things for and if you can do the work yourself. Also if your not building up the internals of the engine do a compression test and make sure everything is working and be careful on how much boost you run 6-8psi shuld be ok if the motor is in good condition.

5 speed on the floor. The motor's compression test ran out good whenever I put it in, I've got it around here somewhere. As for a manifold, there is no manifold already made? Hmm, thats going to be expensive..

[codyJDM]

5 speed on the floor. The motor's compression test ran out good whenever I put it in, I've got it around here somewhere. As for a manifold, there is no manifold already made? Hmm, thats going to be expensive..

Someone on the board has been trying to sell a manifold for ages. Totally blanked on his name though, I'm sure someone knows.

[Josh89accord]

Someone on the board has been trying to sell a manifold for ages. Totally blanked on his name though, I'm sure someone knows.

That would be sweet. I know this is going to be expensive, but do you think I can get everything I need to do this for under 1,000 dollars?

[codyJDM]

That would be sweet. I know this is going to be expensive, but do you think I can get everything I need to do this for under 1,000 dollars?

Not to be negative but it probably will be slightly over 1,000 to do it properly, reliably, and safely. You don't want to fuck up your car I'm sure lol

[Josh89accord]

Ok, Well i'll have to save more then, but I appreciate the help. What I'm aiming for with this car is a total sleeper. I mean really, whos going to think an 89 accord is pushing 300+ HP?:D

[gfrg88]

good luck with 300+hp...

[bobafett]

yep should be able to have a reliable and robust setup for under grand easy...

[bobafett]

oh wait, an accord, and not a civic? sorry yeah that will run like 3k-10k if you do it right. lmao. :( sorry drunk post

[labeledsk8r]

you can get it under a grand IF 1 you have alot of good friends willing to sell you parts fir cheep, 2 can find crazy good deals, 3 are good at building and welding yourself..

good luck hitting 300+whp on 8 psi lol i think you need to do some reading in on this before you start jumping on things

[turabaka]

He probably meant 200hp since that's what his first post said.

[Josh89accord]

Yes, I ment 200 HP... lol. And I'm thinking this is going to get expensive. My dad can weld, and I can build it , thats no problem... Just finding good, cheap parts is going to be the thing...

[LiTtLe xOx BitT]

I have some of the parts cheap if you want them, and other then that just go junkyard hopping and look in ebay and craigslist. If you can build it all and you have someone that can weld the mani and all then you should be fine for about $1000 give or take depending on what you find.

[bobafett]

I think a member on here Justin86 may still have most of a custom 3g turbo kit laying around, pm him and see if he will hook you up.

Also, read up at homemadeturbo.com for a while, there are tons of successful, and tons of not so successful turbo builds done over there. many of them are done on the cheap.

just remember the limitations of basic setup and you will be okay (but probably will have a hell of a time doing it for under 1000 bucks unless you have half the shit laying around already).

[Josh89accord]

I have absolutely nothing for a turbo as of yet. I can get everything on ebay as a kit for it looks to be around 700 dollars. I would still need a better clutch, tuning chip, manifold and all that stuff... Plus time to do it. Heres a link to the ebay t3/t4 turbo. any good?
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/B16-B18-T3-T4-B-Series-Turbo-Kit-Honda-SOHC-EG-EK-Civic_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trkparmsZ72Q3a543Q7c39Q3a 1Q7c66Q3a2Q7c65Q3a12Q7c240Q3a1318QQ_trksidZp3286Q2 ec0Q2em14QQhashZitem120317902046QQitemZ12031790204 6

[gfrg88]

I have absolutely nothing for a turbo as of yet. I can get everything on ebay as a kit for it looks to be around 700 dollars. I would still need a better clutch, tuning chip, manifold and all that stuff... Plus time to do it. Heres a link to the ebay t3/t4 turbo. any good?
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/B16-B18-T3-T4-B-Series-Turbo-Kit-Honda-SOHC-EG-EK-Civic_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trkparmsZ72Q3a543Q7c39Q3a 1Q7c66Q3a2Q7c65Q3a12Q7c240Q3a1318QQ_trksidZp3286Q2 ec0Q2em14QQhashZitem120317902046QQitemZ12031790204 6

that turbo will most likely literally fall apart... prolly will be okay for awhile on really low boost..

[Josh89accord]

that turbo will most likely literally fall apart... prolly will be okay for awhile on really low boost..

Well see, this is why I ask questions. haha. I've never turbo'ed a car, so what would be a good, but yet cheap turbo?

[MessyHonda]

yeah most of the kit can be used but thoes turbos are like the made in china stuff...it works till it breaks...i know garret turbos are good but they cost money

[Rendon LX-i]

im doing mine now and justin made my manifold. yeah like everyone saying its make sure your engine is in good shape and Your going to spend over a grand easy...i wanted the cheap way at ONE POINT when i first started doing it lol i was kiding myself lol.... using decent tune and the manifold,turbo and so on atleast 1,500 Easy lol.....and one thing i said i was going to turbo 3 to 4 time since 2000 man and now im doing. the only way you going to get it done is just start doing it....thats my o2 cents bro

Rendon lxi

[LiTtLe xOx BitT]

I have absolutely nothing for a turbo as of yet. I can get everything on ebay as a kit for it looks to be around 700 dollars. I would still need a better clutch, tuning chip, manifold and all that stuff... Plus time to do it. Heres a link to the ebay t3/t4 turbo. any good?
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/B16-B18-T3-T4-B-Series-Turbo-Kit-Honda-SOHC-EG-EK-Civic_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trkparmsZ72Q3a543Q7c39Q3a 1Q7c66Q3a2Q7c65Q3a12Q7c240Q3a1318QQ_trksidZp3286Q2 ec0Q2em14QQhashZitem120317902046QQitemZ12031790204 6

a buddy of mine ran that kit in his civic and never had any problems.

[gfrg88]

Well see, this is why I ask questions. haha. I've never turbo'ed a car, so what would be a good, but yet cheap turbo?

local junkyard, look for T3 from turbo cars.. look around ebay, craigslist, homemadeturbo.com has some nice turbos once in a while.. i found a great turbonetics turbo on craigslist for $400, nice and HUGE!! ;)

[Accordtheory]

Someone on the board has been trying to sell a manifold for ages. Totally blanked on his name though, I'm sure someone knows.

Yep, that would be me. Not trying all that hard though, don't really care. I kinda like flossin it on my living room table. It's a quick way to tell if whoever just came over knows anything about cars or fabrication, at least..

I'm also going to make another manifold for my own car, as soon as I get enough time off from work. It'll either be something unusual or another bottom mount twinscroll, probably with dual wastegates.

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[Accordtheory]

That would be sweet. I know this is going to be expensive, but do you think I can get everything I need to do this for under 1,000 dollars?

Don't mean to piss on your parade, but the answer is an emphatic no. hondata S300 + obd1 ecu +wideband + injectors + walbro pump, you're already over a grand, and that's just for the electronics. (and that's without knock control, too.)

[Josh89accord]

Hmm, well I was just wondering how much this bad ass setup would cost... Guess I'll just gain parts little by little.

[86AccordLxi]

If you want a car that's easy to turbo, get a civic.

It will cost you a lot of money and time to do it to your accord.

If you're hell-bent on actually going through with it, buy another car to drive in the mean time.

Alex

[Rendon LX-i]

the only way u can make your shit from blowing up is just the safc and btm and your still at risk of blowing your shit up....Thats why im doing 6 maybe 8lbs and im getting wideband....Either way man like the saying says if u want to play you gonna pay lol....Just start getting shit together...the last thing u want is the fucker to blow when u at full boost lol....So no your not going to spend Under a grand unless you got someone that sold u the kit and you would still have to get managment ,and All i really doubt that would happen either.

Rendon

[Josh89accord]

Alright, well I got the answer, no turbo... Might just build up the engine and have a reliable NA engine.

[MessyHonda]

Alright, well I got the answer, no turbo... Might just build up the engine and have a reliable NA engine.



we didnt say you cant turbo...we are just saying that with 1 grand you wont be able to have a safe and reliable set up

[Josh89accord]

yeah, i understand that, just more than a grand, for what I'm looking to do, really isn't worth it.

[dba-one]

I wouldn't bother.

[jpetrovic]

i never really favored the turbo for our cars mainly because of our trans... if u could get better gear ratio ( longer gears ) then i wouldnt mind doing the turbo myself. the short gears on our car reallllllyyy get to me :( especialy with our high clutch. if u drive like me it almost lookes like your stomping your floor board b.c u have to lift your leg up sooo high

[AccordEpicenter]

you can run a btm and safc to 10-12psi but i wouldnt reccomend going over 10 ish psi with that setup, its just too sketchy. You could do it with mitsubishi 450cc injectors. I strongly reccomend an intercooler. 200whp is easy with even a junkyard T3 turbo, a t3 t4 would be out of its efficiency range for low boost on this motor anyway. My old .60/.63 was a nice unit. Id say you could do it for a grand ONLY if you have hookups for parts AND know how to weld/fab your own stuff. If not, its gonna cost many times more than that.

[Josh89accord]

If i do this, its going to have an intercooler.... got a link to the btm, safc, and the mits 450cc injectors? I wouldn 't mind still going threw with this, just finding the right stuff to do this. Like I said, never done this before.

[guaynabo89]

Another thing to remember is tuning. Depending on who you know, where you are it will run you another 300-450.


I think even with tuning and lucking out on parts you could do it for 1800. Thats by not skimping on management. At the very least youd have to have alectronic timing control either and obd1 ecu thats chipable or Hondata and mitsu injectors and a walbro.

Then the turbo mani and and misc accesories get used(but in good working condition) and you should be alright.



If you blow your engine your screwed. if you blow a cheap turbo, not so much. Plus if this is your only means of transportation Id really consider making plans to ride the bus etc.

[Josh89accord]

I've got this, and I've got a Silverado... This just gets way bnetter gas, so if I do this, its going to be over the winter months.

[Josh89accord]

Alright guys, I'm back on it. I need a mani, or this isnt going to happen at all. so if anyone has one for a decent price let me know.

[bobafett]

i have a log manifold and downpipe (5-bolt t3 flanged) I can sell you for a reasonable price. pm me if you are interested. it is setup for external wastegate with a tial 35/38 flange on the log.

[SOHC]

5 speed on the floor. The motor's compression test ran out good whenever I put it in, I've got it around here somewhere. As for a manifold, there is no manifold already made? Hmm, thats going to be expensive..

Talk to JohnnyO He`s got a Mani for sale that will fit the A-series Block. I'll follow up on your post, I'm planning on doing the samething. T4 with 10-12 PSI of boost, good luck with your build.

[AccordEpicenter]

Talk to JohnnyO He`s got a Mani for sale that will fit the A-series Block. I'll follow up on your post, I'm planning on doing the samething. T4 with 10-12 PSI of boost, good luck with your build.

hahaha, t4 with 10-12 psi boost. Hahahahah. Man you guys are good. Rofl

[Rendon LX-i]

boi.......

[SOHC]

hahaha, t4 with 10-12 psi boost. Hahahahah. Man you guys are good. Rofl

Keyword there is " Planning" havent really done any research yet, Lookin into it. Thanks

[Rendon LX-i]

how bout a T25 for starters so you dont blow her up quick....thats my openion....the faqs tell you all bout it bro

[SOHC]

how bout a T25 for starters so you dont blow her up quick....thats my openion....the faqs tell you all bout it bro

Right on, Thanks Rendon

[Rendon LX-i]

no problem

[AccordEpicenter]

i like T3's like .42/.48 and .60/.48 or 60/63's because they are cheap and easy to find and you can easily upgrade to a t3/t4 if needed

[Johnny O]

I still have that manifold for sale, if you are interested

[stephensimmons]

Dose anyone know where i can get a turbo manifold for my 89 LX-I?

[bobafett]

i have a lot manifold and downpipe i can sell you. i think. (pretty sure I still have it). if you are serious just let me know and ill dig it up for you.

[Tdurr]

i have a log manifold and downpipe i can sell you. i think. (pretty sure I still have it). if you are serious just let me know and ill dig it up for you.

fixed.

[bobafett]

whoops thanks Tdurr. :)

[trage]

hey i plan on turbo ing my a20a1 accord hatch (manuel)
im converting it to pgm-fi from a 87 prelude (auto trans)
i am going to run 8-10 psi on a t3/ t4 turbo
i am going to use a 4-2-1 headers (custom attachment to the manifold) if wanted i can show a pre drawn pic of it

450cc jdm injectors, safc apexi controller, 255 walbro fuel pump.

the kit im getting comes with gauges, intercooler, piping, fuel press reg, wastegate, bov, voltage regulator, fan, oil cooler, oil catch tank, and turbo.

my question is : am i missing any thing for my build???

and what kind of wiring problems am i going to run into converting to pgm-fi from that car??

[TeamCynic702]

If you can find a Volvo T3/T4 turbo at the junkyard, its cheap.
my set up only costed me a whoole 400$ pluss 200$ for a spray kit.
i get 7psi boost with very little lag.
currently run;
-Volvo turbo injectors
-Volvo T3/T4 Turbo
-Volvo Intercooler
-Sandwich -3 AN lines
-Prelude ECU
all junk yard parts, and still my daily driver. the only problem i had was the air filter system sucks.
i rn it straight down from the header into the right front side of the shifter(yesinside my car) and theres the turbo. ill post some pics soon but you dont need any of these big brands to turbo it, just research and know what your doing. oh btw, 12.3 secs on the track :) all stock

[Tdurr]

vids of u on the track.

[89T]

I'll bet it's an 1/8th mile track.

[TeamCynic702]

Haterr? Its called research, come to Vegas and see what else is sittin under thee hood :)

[89T]

I am not hatin at all.

You Just have to figure that your only 8 post's in to it and already pulling 12's.

You can post pics now(5 post min) , so amaze us with researched talent.

[guaynabo89]

Gonna have to agree on the pics "and" slips. I make more than enough to make 12 sec passes all day long, but putting it to the ground is a problem. I'd like to hear about your suspension setup and trap times/speed cause thats some good ass times.

Not hatin, this is the internet after all and anyone can say whatever they want behind a keyboard. ;)

[LX-incredible]

If you can find a Volvo T3/T4 turbo at the junkyard, its cheap.
my set up only costed me a whoole 400$ pluss 200$ for a spray kit.
i get 7psi boost with very little lag.
currently run;
-Volvo turbo injectors
-Volvo T3/T4 Turbo
-Volvo Intercooler
-Sandwich -3 AN lines
-Prelude ECU
all junk yard parts, and still my daily driver. the only problem i had was the air filter system sucks.
i rn it straight down from the header into the right front side of the shifter(yesinside my car) and theres the turbo. ill post some pics soon but you dont need any of these big brands to turbo it, just research and know what your doing. oh btw, 12.3 secs on the track :) all stock

Jesus, not again...

[Rendon LX-i]

Yeah.....umm no slips or vids or PICS.....No belive.

[stat1K]

bro i run 3s in my civic all day son. running a t7 turbo with 96psi... all stock d-series btw on hf injectors, if i upgraded to the si's i'd run 2.3's easy.

:rofl:

[TeamCynic702]

well ahh, i ttried annd it says cant post pics since im a newbie, but my only problem is my batt, keeps dying out from the prelude ecu i got, so once i have 4 threads itll let me post pics? :wtf:

[CzEcHy]

I run like 0.387 seconds, and when I hit 70 I go back in time.


Anyway to be helpful, photobucket will let you do videos or pictures and you can post the link.

[LX-incredible]

yea that's the problem with those lude ecus... batt killas well worth the power boost thou I got to get me one of thos t7 stat1k thats some boost ya willing to part with those hf injectors when u upgrade?

[guaynabo89]

if you need help send me ur pics and I'll post em for you. ;)


prelude ecu does not make your battt die. Look for a problem elsewhere.

[89T]

http://www.3geez.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1030365&postcount=57

seems you had 5 post's already.

[Civic Accord Honda]

psh i put a weedwater motor on my next bike with a t75 pushing 173PSI of boost, got 3" jets in the carb, mother fucker ran 1.2 seconds shits insane y0 was hitting like 850mph broke them motha fuckin sound barrier twice! , this guy in a stang thought he could beat me, but i totally sucked that guys dick

[turabaka]

psh i put a weedwater motor on my next bike with a t75 pushing 173PSI of boost, got 3" jets in the carb, mother fucker ran 1.2 seconds shits insane y0 was hitting like 850mph broke them motha fuckin sound barrier twice! , this guy in a stang thought he could beat me, but i totally sucked that guys dick

I nominate that CAH's title be changed from 3geez veteran to "best gay trash talker". lol

[guaynabo89]

but i totally sucked that guys dick


:inout:

[TeamCynic702]

if you need help send me ur pics and I'll post em for you. ;)


prelude ecu does not make your battt die. Look for a problem elsewhere.



thankss bro, i found out it was juss the cheap optima batt,
but next time i get on, ill fursure post some pics.