What do you think I made at the Dyno?

[mushroom_toy]

Ok heres the deal Ill post it up later...but wanted to see who could guess the closest.

Specs are 86 Accord LX-i auto, 412k+ miles, low compression on 2 middle cylinders.

So everyone take a guess. :)

[carotman]

56 whp

[84Accord]

56 whp

^ hahahahah

um 130HP?

[codyJDM]

85ish WHP is my honest guess

[greentee76]

90 Whp

[2oodoor]

you have been doing some shtuff to it ... not sure what, taking a wild guess at what, I wont say what I think you did though. You woulda had to, to be kwazy nuff to dyno 412000 mile car you keep the roads hot with.


hrmmm 131

[2ndGenGuy]

86hp. What do we win?

[2oodoor]

somebody go troll at IA and see what he done did-erd to his ride. last time went there my laptop shut down , one of their advertisers threads did it.

[86AccordLxi]

Somewhere in the mid to high 80s.

Don't start in about you keep up with your friend's bullshitass cars on your 'touge' runs with only 80whp or whatever :rolleyes:

[Rendon LX-i]

96hp and 83tq...my wild guess....yay i win lol

[Dr_Snooz]

No guess, just tell me. ;)

[turabaka]

Over Nine Thousand!!!!!!

[VIPER1988]

around 95 ish

[redaztec]

85whp?

[mushroom_toy]

Somewhere in the mid to high 80s.

Don't start in about you keep up with your friend's bullshitass cars on your 'touge' runs with only 80whp or whatever :rolleyes:

Now theres no need for this talk in this thread. Gtfo. :) Bring your ass to Georgia and you can find out too.

[ghettogeddy]

Now theres no need for this talk in this thread. Gtfo. :) Bring your ass to Georgia and you can find out too.

he is a reg admin you know he was kidding lol i say 95

[mushroom_toy]

he is a reg admin you know he was kidding lol i say 95

I know this but somehow I dont think he is kidding. However if he was then I was just kidding as well. :)

[bobafett]

70whp? maybe 65?

[86AccordLxi]

Well if it actually spun the rollers I'd be impressed.

Did the dyno operator throw in some simulated curves so you could *really* show him your stuff ;)

[mushroom_toy]

Hahah youre funny.

On another note I put down a very respectable 90hp and 94 ft lbs. Low compression and 412k miles. Im proud of the accord. Makes for a good baseline as I was sure it would be less.

However Map sensors have absolutely nothing to do with our cars as changing them out wont help a bit at all period.

Of course I might have done a little better on the dyno as well with the map sensors, if I hadnt been running as rich as I was. Had to take pictures on my printout until they send me the graphs in email.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v28/JubeiMunchCurry/More%20Car/IMGP2762.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v28/JubeiMunchCurry/More%20Car/IMGP2765.jpg

[Rendon LX-i]

i was close damnit lol.....nice man

[Oldblueaccord]

What were your wideband readings if they ran one that be great !

NVM i see it on the bottom.

90 is spot on esp for that mileage.


wp

[Civic Accord Honda]

Hahah youre funny.

On another note I put down a very respectable 90hp and 94 ft lbs. Low compression and 412k miles. Im proud of the accord. Makes for a good baseline as I was sure it would be less.

However Map sensors have absolutely nothing to do with our cars as changing them out wont help a bit at all period.

Of course I might have done a little better on the dyno as well with the map sensors, if I hadnt been running as rich as I was. Had to take pictures on my printout until they send me the graphs in email.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v28/JubeiMunchCurry/More%20Car/IMGP2762.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v28/JubeiMunchCurry/More%20Car/IMGP2765.jpg
your car makes more WHP then my car does at the crank -_-

[redaztec]

Nice, especially for having two cylinders with low compression! Makes me want to dyno mine before I rebuild the motor.

BTW what elevation do you live at?

[MessyHonda]

not bad for an auto....

[mushroom_toy]

Nice, especially for having two cylinders with low compression! Makes me want to dyno mine before I rebuild the motor.

BTW what elevation do you live at?

About 1249 Feet.

[mushroom_toy]

Video of one run is up now still trying to get the other two.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Avew_RuT4mY

[Rendon LX-i]

damn dude thats a A20 for ya sounds mean as hell lol...How much it cost you to dyno?

[2oodoor]

auto affects a dyno? hrmmm

well Gainesville I gave you too much credit, thought you may have put in fat injectors and obd1.

[mushroom_toy]

auto affects a dyno? hrmmm

well Gainesville I gave you too much credit, thought you may have put in fat injectors and obd1.

No point yet. I still have all the parts....but its too early still. :)

[mushroom_toy]

damn dude thats a A20 for ya sounds mean as hell lol...How much it cost you to dyno?

$40 bucks for 3 pulls.

[mushroom_toy]

Heres the other two runs.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-JfABQd15Tk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LCVpfA4Qa4Q

[Oldblueaccord]

Hahah youre funny.

On another note I put down a very respectable 90hp and 94 ft lbs. Low compression and 412k miles. Im proud of the accord. Makes for a good baseline as I was sure it would be less.

However Map sensors have absolutely nothing to do with our cars as changing them out wont help a bit at all period.

Of course I might have done a little better on the dyno as well with the map sensors, if I hadnt been running as rich as I was. Had to take pictures on my printout until they send me the graphs in email.



ECU doesn't use the map at WOT unless the "experts" have some other data to disprove that.




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[greentee76]

90 Whp

So I was spot on, what do I win?

[2ndGenGuy]

1000000 Internets! Congratulations!

[86AccordLxi]

ECU doesn't use the map at WOT unless the "experts" have some other data to disprove that.




wp

the ecu should totally use the map @ WOT, at least in every other ecu i've seen. It doesn't use the o2 sensor (that's only for closed loop mode ie. lower load, cruising, idle, etc). But there's no other way for the ecu to know airflow/load without the map sensor.

[mushroom_toy]

the ecu should totally use the map @ WOT, at least in every other ecu i've seen. It doesn't use the o2 sensor (that's only for closed loop mode ie. lower load, cruising, idle, etc). But there's no other way for the ecu to know airflow/load without the map sensor.

This is true. :) It absolutely works on wot....and the only use for us for the 4th, and 5th gen maps sensors, is if something goes wrong with the one on your car, then you can use a 4th or 5th instead of the 3gee one, and it will work fine. However i really dont think there is any use in them now.

[mushroom_toy]

So I was spot on, what do I win?

Here ya go.

http://i299.photobucket.com/albums/mm281/hungry_bunny/cookie.jpg

[86AccordLxi]

This is true. :) It absolutely works on wot....and the only use for us for the 4th, and 5th gen maps sensors, is if something goes wrong with the one on your car, then you can use a 4th or 5th instead of the 3gee one, and it will work fine. However i really dont think there is any use in them now.

Of course there isn't.

Buttdyno means fuckall. All a bigger map sensor will do is allow you to see more pressure -- useless for n/a.

[2oodoor]

I disagree, again think about load.
try not to think about the one in that pan though,,, ugh i feel ill



Mushroom toy do you have the two stage intake manifold? I have one off the b20a if you want it, same as 89 lxi.
Why are you rich? coolant sensor? or did you gut the cat, you are not on the I-285 region list for checks are you?
Ever had the head off for work?

[Oldblueaccord]

the ecu should totally use the map @ WOT, at least in every other ecu i've seen. It doesn't use the o2 sensor (that's only for closed loop mode ie. lower load, cruising, idle, etc). But there's no other way for the ecu to know airflow/load without the map sensor.

TPS ? switch to WOT map when your foots to the floor?

I guess the dyno lies again. or its the wrong dyno or the operator does not no what hes doing or Mustang is better the who ever else was running.


wp

[Rendon LX-i]

You have to be using map under load..wtf lol...should be working under WOT or something wrong with your shit..My stock map made a code under boost...So i put the 4th gen one in and code gone...So like i said it SHOULD make a difference i know it did with mine...Idk maybe cause i had head work done and cam, msd and all that shit at once..

[86AccordLxi]

TPS ? switch to WOT map when your foots to the floor?

I guess the dyno lies again. or its the wrong dyno or the operator does not no what hes doing or Mustang is better the who ever else was running.


wp

It's still reading a voltage from the map, which translates to some sort of Theoretical Pulse value, which is then compared to RPM in an overall fuel map.

That's how most ecu's work in my experience. TPS + MAP/MAF.

I'm guessing the Accord doesn't have a separate WOT map.

[mushroom_toy]

I disagree, again think about load.
try not to think about the one in that pan though,,, ugh i feel ill



Mushroom toy do you have the two stage intake manifold? I have one off the b20a if you want it, same as 89 lxi.
Why are you rich? coolant sensor? or did you gut the cat, you are not on the I-285 region list for checks are you?
Ever had the head off for work?


Nope no two stage manifold on it. I have one in the building but I dont wanna waste time to swap it on, im gonna be installing a b16 one eventually. Thanks anyway though.

Dont know why Im rich though, coolant sensor should be fine, cat is gutted though, and nope dont have emissions where I live. :) Hall county ftw. And never had the head off either, ive done some small work on the head while it was on the car, but never had it off.

[mushroom_toy]

TPS ? switch to WOT map when your foots to the floor?

I guess the dyno lies again. or its the wrong dyno or the operator does not no what hes doing or Mustang is better the who ever else was running.


wp


Operator is not to blame...I mean shit they tune cars for a living and are a very respectable shop around here. Its mainstream performance. But the Dyno could be a little off Im not sure, they mostly dyno 300whp up cars though.

[greentee76]

Here ya go.

http://i299.photobucket.com/albums/mm281/hungry_bunny/cookie.jpg

[cookie monster voice on] C is for cookie, it's good enough for me.[cookie monster voice off]

[mushroom_toy]

Lol...

[2oodoor]

Nope no two stage manifold on it. I have one in the building but I dont wanna waste time to swap it on, im gonna be installing a b16 one eventually. Thanks anyway though.

Dont know why Im rich though, coolant sensor should be fine, cat is gutted though, and nope dont have emissions where I live. :) Hall county ftw. And never had the head off either, ive done some small work on the head while it was on the car, but never had it off.

ever do an intake cleaning? The kind like BG or Mighty.. you connect a pressurized can of cleaner in the thottle body, put a small object like a business card under the throttle stop to rasie the rpm to around 1500-1800 and let the can slowy run in. You also put a can of professional cleane in the tank when you do those. It works, no doubt about it. You can feed those thru the pvc, use the pressurized kind though, wont work if your pvc is too far down... well it will but only the valves and not the whole plenum.
It helps the valves to possible go into their seats a little better on some cars.

Slow reading temp sensor makes em run rich, so does hollerd cats, O2 sensor thinks it is lean so it could try to tell it to go rich.

amazing you have not done much to that thing with all the riding you do, LOL

[frantik]

i was gonna say 90 w00t *takes bite of cookie*

[86AccordLxi]

Dynos really mean nothing when comparing other dynos. They're really only good when comparing multiple cars on the same dyno, or multiple runs from the same car on the same dyno.

[mushroom_toy]

ever do an intake cleaning? The kind like BG or Mighty.. you connect a pressurized can of cleaner in the thottle body, put a small object like a business card under the throttle stop to rasie the rpm to around 1500-1800 and let the can slowy run in. You also put a can of professional cleane in the tank when you do those. It works, no doubt about it. You can feed those thru the pvc, use the pressurized kind though, wont work if your pvc is too far down... well it will but only the valves and not the whole plenum.
It helps the valves to possible go into their seats a little better on some cars.

Slow reading temp sensor makes em run rich, so does hollerd cats, O2 sensor thinks it is lean so it could try to tell it to go rich.

amazing you have not done much to that thing with all the riding you do, LOL

Yeah i run top end cleaner (mazda oem brand is what i use) through the engine at least once a year. Last year I used seafoam insted of the mazda brand though. Have you not seen my thread, I know you have lol. Ive done enough to it, not much performance mods, but ive been saving parts up for a long time. I figure might as well spend the money when im ready to put out a decent amount of hp/tq, then just add stuff piece by piece. Im probably gonna end up buying another a20 to rebuild though, because hell i dont want to rebuild this engine yet. She has some life left in her. I want to see how many miles I can get out of it.