Teh AccordB20A Engine Rebuild Thread.

[AccordB20A]

Here you will see progress of my engine being rebuilt.
Ill upload some pics soon.

Currently i have the following parts ready to assemble:
P30 B16A2 Pistons Arrived Yesterday
Stock PK2 Rods from Accord Blacktop B20A
Rod and crank bearings are paid for and on their way from Japan. All OEM honda matched to crank/rods
block has been plained


I plan to send the block into the engine re-builders for them to assemble, they can hone the bores and change the wrist pin size so the b16 pistons can fit my rods.

The head is stock for now, Im thinking i may get new valve guides and stem seals and do a good valve grind and clean it and that should do. Gold top head of course for Moar Power!

More Later...

[Civic Accord Honda]

w00t

[A18A]

Pics!1!1!

[86ccord]

Pics!1!1!

what they said

[1ajs]

what they said
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[AccordB20A]

ollowing is pricing for short block assembly, replacing guides etc to give you an idea. All prices are plus gst.
RVG16 REPLACE VALVE GUIDES 16 $116.38

MHP4 MACHINE HEAD FACE 4 CYL $ 50.95

HSOHCP4 HEAD SERVICE OHC 16V PET 4 CYL $383.53
* Head service includes, dismantle, cold tank head & parts, cut valves, cut valve seats, machine head face, final wash & reassemble

BHBP4 BORE & HONE 4 CYL PET $129.49

CRAP4 CHECK ROD ALIGNMENT 4 $ 37.03

FPRP4 FIT PISTONS TO RODS 4 $ 64.06

ASBP4 ASSEMBLE SHORT BLOCK 4 CYL $268.04


thats not counting boring the writ pins out

[carotman]

nice!

[fogged]

How much did they tell you for the wrist pins?

[2ndGenGuy]

Yes do want pics! And a dyno when you're done!!! Gonna be a mean B20A!

[AccordB20A]

Should be a beast, Ill have to get some pics at some stage, I need to sell my other accord to fund it but no ones buying :O

[MessyHonda]

wonder how much hp you will make.

[AccordB20A]

im guessing only another 15hp over stock but a dyno will tell when its all running right and theres a dyno day local.

i atill have not got any picsssss

[AccordB20A]

B16 Pistons
http://imagehost.wohdog.sytes.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10001/PC260820.JPG
More B16 Pistons
http://imagehost.wohdog.sytes.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10001/PC260821.JPG
Cleaned engine parts hanging on wall for install
http://imagehost.wohdog.sytes.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10001/PC260823.JPG
Head Before being rebuilt
http://imagehost.wohdog.sytes.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10001/PC260824.JPG
B16 Intake
http://imagehost.wohdog.sytes.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10001/PC260825.JPG
B20A Block plained before build
http://imagehost.wohdog.sytes.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10001/PC260828.JPG
B20A 1553506. No 1 86
http://imagehost.wohdog.sytes.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10001/PC260835.JPG

[A18A]

yay for pics! them pissed ins & rods look good

[AccordB20A]

Nah tghe rods suck as they are from a b16a and have not been removed from the pistons yet.

[A18A]

okay then

[2oodoor]

are you going to do any balancing on the crank assembly?

[Hauntd ca3]

those db cans full or empty( new or used )
that block is lookin clean, just hope it stays that way eh guv instead of lookin like mine

[AccordB20A]

are you going to do any balancing on the crank assembly?
nope that costs too much, Stock bottom end is fine to 7k rpm anyways and i dont see it making any power past there anyway

okay then
i know

those db cans full or empty( new or used )
that block is lookin clean, just hope it stays that way eh guv instead of lookin like mine
what db cans where??!?!?
i plan on cleaning the block more than that too its still oily even tho its been cleaned by the guys that plained it.


still trying to sell my other accord so i can actually get this damn swap on the road

[Hauntd ca3]

what db cans where??!?!?
[/QUOTE]

db cans / piss tins , geddit or is it just my awesome SI sense of humour

[AccordB20A]

oh okay lol nah didnt get it. fail
but they are used, but in good condition i cleaned the fuck out of them cause they were black when i got them, Still need to locate some rings for them but ill get one of my contacts from the USA to obtain me some when i get paid

[MessyHonda]

not bad..does anyone know how much compression you will get with the b16 pistons

[AccordB20A]

maybe 10.5 or 11:1

got that bellhousing yet?!?!

[MessyHonda]

not yet...soon tho

[thegreatdane]

Cool build! Did you get the stock dizzy working yet?

[AccordB20A]

Cool build! Did you get the stock dizzy working yet?

I havent got a car to try the dizzy out on. when i finish this motor build, now the shops are all open again i might get some progress but i need to get rings badly. thats what im going to use the rest of the money messy sends me for when he eventually gets the bellhousing. i guess delayed shipping is just something you have to deal with when you post stuff around new years lol

[Hauntd ca3]

would think b16 rings would be piece o piss to find.
b18c are the same bore.
at this rate i might have to build a quad throttle motor to be the gruntiest 3g down under lol

[2ndGenGuy]

Are you going to get those gapless rings?

[AccordB20A]

Nah ive heard some bad things about those gapless rings, ill stick with OEM honda

and yes b16 rings are easy to find but fuck paying $360NZ for the set thats HEAPS from honda and thats with a discount aparently.

thats why ill get one of my friends in the USA to track some down cheaper when messy gets me this monwey....

[MessyHonda]

Nah ive heard some bad things about those gapless rings, ill stick with OEM honda

and yes b16 rings are easy to find but fuck paying $360NZ for the set thats HEAPS from honda and thats with a discount aparently.

thats why ill get one of my friends in the USA to track some down cheaper when messy gets me this monwey....

did you get a tracking number cuz its yet to show up...its keeping my b20 from going in

[AccordB20A]

they gave me a tracking number but it fails to show up on their website

[AccordB20A]

Also:: my package from japan arrived today, it contains the crank bearings and rod bearings for my engine, all OEM honda.
Also in the package are cam seals front and rear main crank seals too

cant post pics as my servers failing to operate due to a new adsl modem being in stalled.

[AccordB20A]

found epic fail when my bearing arrived, they are be msising. i got 9 main bearings and 8 rod bearings and no thrust washers, fail i need one extra bearing lol!!!

[2ndGenGuy]

Found that out today? Didn't you tell me bout this a few days ago?

[Hauntd ca3]

found epic fail when my bearing arrived, they are be msising. i got 9 main bearings and 8 rod bearings and no thrust washers, fail i need one extra bearing lol!!!

i think i'd be fairly pissed there man

[AccordB20A]

Found that out today? Didn't you tell me bout this a few days ago?
i didnt say i found out today. but yes i updated the thread today. found the fail a while ago


i think i'd be fairly pissed there man

Yeah well honda failed so they are going to have to re order one more green bearing and the thrust washers

[Hauntd ca3]

i think i'd have just let the shop doing the machine work worry bout the bearings.
the last engine i built, i got acl bearings and they lasted well eh.
have used clevite? aswell with out probs.
only seen bearings killed from poor maintainence( infrequent oil changes, low oil level )or extreme over revving which causes flaking.
hope i see neither outta you eh.

[AccordB20A]

engine re builders are going to assemble my engine so its guaranteed to work.
I dont plan on fucking my $1200 newly rebuit engine lol

[87roach]

Im really quite glad to see your are spending some money on a nice power plant. You kiwi's sure like to swap like girls change shoes.

[2ndGenGuy]

engine re builders are going to assemble my engine so its guaranteed to work.
I dont plan on fucking my $1200 newly rebuit engine lol


Bbbbbbbbbooooooooo!!! Do it yourself, there are only like 20 nuts to tighten and all you have to to is tighten them to spec. It's not that hard!! Building the bottom end is the easiest thing to do ever.

Hang on, hang on. There are two nuts per rod to tighten... so that's 8.

And there are two (can't remember if they're bolts or studded) per main bearing. That's 10.

Can you handle tightening 18 nuts using a torque wrench? If you can swap out an engine, the entire suspension, interior and the whole wiring harness in 3 hours like you always do, I think you can build the bottom end of your engine. :)

[AccordB20A]

i not going to risk it im afraid ill do it wrong and the engine will run a bearing as soon as i start it up. lol

I won an action for a DP740 B20A head set so thats one less thing i have to buy

[b20a86lude]

Damn Araon Lookin Good U Gotts Ny New Updates Also I Think U Ahould Clean The Outside Block

[AccordB20A]

the dp740 head gasket set that i won for $20 was all good apart from the damn head gasket was already used!!! fail, the guy refunded my $20 tho and i went and ordered a new head gasket, $58 for that

sad news is i only have $1100NZD saved to do the whole shebang, so if i cheap out here and there dont be suprised

[Hauntd ca3]

if you have all the bits, $1100 should be heaps

[2oodoor]

the dp740 head gasket set that i won for $20 was all good apart from the damn head gasket was already used!!!

that would be fucking the dog = F a i l

[AccordB20A]

ok if i was to assemble the bottom end myself what would i need, all the bearings are the right spec cause they are coded for my motor im thinking about building it myself....

[A18A]

a torque wrench?

[AccordB20A]

obviously

[MessyHonda]

i would get the bottom end balanced tho...just save up some more....my rebuild wont be till next year.

[Hauntd ca3]

would think you might find a balance might be a waste of time these days.
but since he's changing pistons it could be an idea.
i remember years ago in production car racing, people were balancing and blueprinting nissan motors only to find they gained absolutely nothing cuase they were so good from the factory.
i suspect honda motors would be as good if not better

[AccordB20A]

need more people to buy JDM parts, but this is the wrong time of year to sell with this recession and all. stock balancing will be all good, dont wanna rev it past seven. if i can assemble the bottom end myself i may be able to shout out for some flash rod/head studs

[2ndGenGuy]

I'm tellin ya, you can do it. Just follow the FSM procedures to a T and you'll be good to go.

[AccordB20A]

and pray like hell the clearances all work out otherwise im fucked, i aint going to pay out for more bearings cause the ones i got are too small or whatver.

you give me the advice john and ill consider building the bottom end :)

[2ndGenGuy]

If your clearances are off, you will know when you Plastigauge the bearings. The book will give you a range of clearances. Then you take the Plastigauge and place it between the crank and bearings. You torque everything to spec, then take it apart and measure how much the Plastigauge squeezed out and that tells you the clearances.

To make you feel more comfortable, you can take the crank to a shop and they can also mic it out and make sure that the crank is within tolerance. Then bring it home and double-check it with the Plastigauge (you should double check their work whenever possible anyways).

[2drSE-i]

need more people to buy JDM parts, but this is the wrong time of year to sell with this recession and all. stock balancing will be all good, dont wanna rev it past seven. if i can assemble the bottom end myself i may be able to shout out for some flash rod/head studs

what else do you have for sale? I may buy some other stuff from ya, pm me!

[Rendon LX-i]

agreed. what you got...i want maplight lol

[SILENT]

need more people to buy JDM parts

I need two sets of jdm fogs!!! GOT ANY???

[AccordB20A]

not really that stocked up at the moment but i know what to look out for, i have lots of sets of power folding mirrors thou lol

[Hauntd ca3]

agreed. what you got...i want maplight lol

and i just threw one out
a nice locked one not a plain plastic one

[AccordB20A]

and i just threw one out
a nice locked one not a plain plastic one

i have heaps of those maplights that bolt into the rood of the car but you need to cut the head lining and install a bracket in there to use it, its the smaller most common maplight for the non sunroof cars.

[Hauntd ca3]

isnt this thread getting off track a bit?
from engine rebuild to map lights

[AccordB20A]

and not to mension i have a 86-87 JDM front lip for sale too

very off topic indeed. i must member to take my pistons and rods to town tomorrow

[Hauntd ca3]

will it fit my car or are the bumpers diff at the bottom

[A18A]

theyre different, but if you look in thegreatdanes aerodeck thread he made one fit a 88-89 bumper. lol off topic much

[AccordB20A]

Yea the front fits but the sides r too long or too short. its a three piece lip

[Nafs Asdf]

and not to mension i have a 86-87 JDM front lip for sale too

very off topic indeed. i must member to take my pistons and rods to town tomorrow

What's it look like? If getting the 88-89 bumper and fixed light bumper lights from you turns out too expensive or you can't find them, I could maybe buy the lip...

[AccordB20A]

i have a feeling that shipping the bumpers going to cost over 500euro, talked to my mate alex yesterday hes switched on with the shipping prices, sop unless you turn into a millionaire/get one from the USA i dont think i can ship you a bumper.
As for the lip ill PM you a pic of it.

[AccordB20A]

well i put my pistons and rods into the shop today finally, they reckon $300NZD to bore out wrist pins and install the b16 pistons on my b20a roads, WIN

now i need people to purchase my JDM parts

[Hauntd ca3]

thats not toooo bad, could be worse i spose
i got quoted 200 to make rb20 nissan rods fit a12 datsun crank
so maybe 300 is a bit much, but thats the ni for u

[AccordB20A]

haha as long as its done good and will exept what i give it!

[b20a86lude]

hey man do u think u can get me a new head gasket set i need one badly help me fund ur build ill do that if u can get that same one dnt need a headgasket

[AccordB20A]

i dont know lol head sets come complete with the head gasket, i can get aftermarket head sets and thats it, they are like $300 nz tops

[Rendon LX-i]

and i just threw one out
a nice locked one not a plain plastic one

WOW NOOOOOOOOOOOO.... lol i really want to get one. I have no light i have flip down an it has led lights for the back but for the front i dont got lights. If anyone has a maplight for sell. Pm me if you can. SOrry for thread jacking lol

[b20a86lude]

yea i said i need a head gasket set i dont mind the head gasket it self i just need the rebuild kit like valve cover gasket cam seals rear amin seal .and every seal on jsut the motor

[AccordB20A]

yea i said i need a head gasket set i dont mind the head gasket it self i just need the rebuild kit like valve cover gasket cam seals rear amin seal .and every seal on jsut the motor

Honda B18A, B20A DOHC 16 valve inj. 1985-88Head Set DP740

$200

[2ndGenGuy]

I'll be shipping your rings out tomorrow. Should take about 8 days to get there. :) I would have shipped them today, but USPS was closed due to dead politician's day. And UPS can't be fucked shipping to NZ for some reason.

[AccordB20A]

sweet, the pistons will be on the rods tomorrow then i can send the block in for a hone. its already been plained:)

get on MSN john

[MessyHonda]

I'll be shipping your rings out tomorrow. Should take about 8 days to get there. :) I would have shipped them today, but USPS was closed due to dead politician's day. And UPS can't be fucked shipping to NZ for some reason.



hey i love it i get paid not to go to work

[AccordB20A]

Cheers john!!
http://imagehost.wohdog.sytes.net/Uploads/2009-2-2419144P2231090.JPG

went into the shop today they have put my pistons on my rings now :) when i go up there next ill be getting the block honed and the head done depending on the price. i got my head gasket todqay also, Shes coming together slowly

[Hauntd ca3]

awesome aaron
good to see you are getting closer to a new motor

[AccordB20A]

and lets hope this motor lasts me.

my car clocked over 297100kms today, im hoping to have the motor ready and built to go in when i clock 300,000kms :)

[A18A]

any moar progress!??!

[AccordB20A]

no. lag

[AccordB20A]

Time for some rice, the engine rebuilt is on its way but i was bored today and decided to do the rocker cover.
http://imagehost.wohdog.sytes.net/Uploads/2009-3-8204529P3071160.JPG
http://imagehost.wohdog.sytes.net/Uploads/2009-3-820469P3071161.JPG
http://imagehost.wohdog.sytes.net/Uploads/2009-3-8204623P3071163.JPG
http://imagehost.wohdog.sytes.net/Uploads/2009-3-8204635P3071164.JPG

This is only the 1st coat, tomorrow in the sun ill give it the rest of the cans worth of coats then sand the honda motor co and clear coat it.

[MessyHonda]

lol blue cover is not bad...but i like glossy black

[Civic Accord Honda]

good shit au

[A18A]

!au shits good

[Tomisimo]

good shit au

!au shits good

^^LoL, souns like someone had a prop.. :rofl:

[Rendon LX-i]

very good shit. I just polished my vc also yesterday idk im digging the polish look. I might do it right. Nice progress man.

[bullard123]

Nice progress! Cant wait to see vids of this one when its finished

[AccordB20A]

yeah i will be good when i get this engine completed. Im hoping i have enough money, Not having a job and the mrs not having a job is taking a toll on my savings

[AccordB20A]

Fail. Progress on this hail ground to a halt lately due to epic lazyness

Until today, No pics as of yet BUT i took my block into them to be honed and i gave them the rings to put on my b16 pistons and they will gap the rings for me. THEN i can pay them and get it back.

[A18A]

yay! about time something happens

[AccordB20A]

indeed but since im unemployed my savings for the build are low and i dont know if i will have enough to get the cylinder head reconditioned.the temporary motor i have seems to do the job for now apart from leaking oil

[2ndGenGuy]

Yay. Pretty blue!

[AccordB20A]

indeed waiting for th call for them to say "its ready"

[AccordB20A]

well i got the call 2 years later lol They emailed me like 2 months ago and told me i can pick my shit up once i paid them. $599 for the bottom end, Now i have a job the last three weeks i have been saving and i can afford to pay it this week so ill get my bottom end back. awesome!

ill give them the head to plain/clean/grind/replace guides and seals too and pay for that when its done/save in the mean time

[AccordB20A]

Anyways ill end this thread here and continue it in my accords build thread kthx

http://www.3geez.com/forum/showthread.php?t=63487

[AccordB20A]

oh yeah its finally built!! pics in the above thread :p