LSD for 3rd gen Accord ............YES???

[guaynabo89]

Well guys a long time ago I sent out a differential to Quaife LSD's to see if anything they made was the same as the Accord diff. Well the person I had sent it too shortly after got terminated and I never recieved a response from them. About a week ago I received a call from someone at quaife asking if I still was looking because it had been sitting at this persons desk for over a year with all my info still attached. I said sure why not. They told me they had a new model called the wavetrac lsd and they were going to check that one. Well the next day they called me and said they had verified that it was the same size as the B16 diff. Same bearing size, same spline axles, but the only thing different was the speedo gear so that would need to be swapped out.

Now understand they i cannot verify this as my transmission was put back together long ago. If the people over there are as skilled as they should be then it should be ok.

The company that owns Quaife LSD is here:

http://www.autotech.com/index.htm

The diff site can be found here:

http://www.wavetrac.net/index.htm



The part number you are looking for is:

60.309.160.wk

and thats for the B16.





If anyone chooses to go this route ask for Ryan at the autotech contact numbers site. Tell them Dennis with the old 87 Accord had sent in a diff to be compared and they they said it would bolt up and only a swap of the ring gear is needed.




Another thing is that this might mean that any B16 lsd from any company would fit, not just theirs. Again I cannot verify this so please plan accordingly. I know not many people on this site would need or spend the money on this thing but like always.... I pass around the good info.:thumbup:

[88LXi68]

good job dennis! is there a difference between the hydro and cable b16s? if not then you should be able to use an OEM type-R diff as well

[MessyHonda]

hope it works for the integera hybrid tranny also

[guaynabo89]

It is the same diferential in the 86-89 tegs so yeah it should be good.

I dont know much about the b16 trannies but being there not listed as hydro or cable on their site they are probably the same.

[88LXi68]

time for you to pick up a LSD! I guess I shouldn't be too surprised because rob is using a b16 lsd in his b20 trans

[Vanilla Sky]

When I build my teg hybrid, I'll be getting one.

[guaynabo89]

time for you to pick up a LSD! I guess I shouldn't be too surprised because rob is using a b16 lsd in his b20 trans


It would have been nice if I would have had that info a year and a half agon when the tranny was apart and out of the car. Unless something breaks or I feel like getting my brother in law to drop it again I probably wont be using one.

[MessyHonda]

how are the prices?.....im going to rebuild another trans for my b20

[guaynabo89]

they list on their site for like 790 but you could probably get it somewhere else cheaper.

Only nice thing is that its off the shelf. No waiting while you send in a diff to get modded.

[Rendon LX-i]

I need one for my new tranny build...my stock on taking a poo...main bearing making sounds again lol after a year of replacing it.

[AccordB20A]

so this means the a20 diff is the same as the b20 one sicne the b16 LSD also fits the b20a, No wonder b20a boxes blow diffs all the time...

[RobT5580]

I have had the Quaife LSD in my accord B20A since 2005 and its from a 99+ B16A just for clarification for the B20A guys that posted here.

And all i did was put my new JDM B20A bearings on it and the speed sensor gear and dropped it right in with no issues!

[Tdurr]

I vote sticky! if i ever pull my tranny apart again ill be putting a lsd in!

[bobafett]

just posting so i am subscribed. this is a great idea. if this works we will all have obx diff's! heheh

[fogged]

An LSD for the 3g.... Hell yeah.

[Ichiban]

I have had the Quaife LSD in my accord B20A since 2005 and its from a 99+ B16A just for clarification for the B20A guys that posted here.

And all i did was put my new JDM B20A bearings on it and the speed sensor gear and dropped it right in with no issues!

I always new there was something out there that interchanged. How is the speedo gear attached, just pressed on?

[AccordB20A]

Yeah if only they were easy to find!.. And cheap

[Strugglebucket]

I always new there was something out there that interchanged. How is the speedo gear attached, just pressed on?

it's just held in with a clip ring, but i think you might have to pull the bearing first to get to it.

[Strugglebucket]

It is the same diferential in the 86-89 tegs so yeah it should be good.

I dont know much about the b16 trannies but being there not listed as hydro or cable on their site they are probably the same.

Are you saying the teg diff is the same as the b16, or the accord?

I never compared the teg diff with the accord...

[MessyHonda]

Are you saying the teg diff is the same as the b16, or the accord?

I never compared the teg diff with the accord...



they should be the same cuz i used the outer final gear on my accord diff

[RobT5580]

I always new there was something out there that interchanged. How is the speedo gear attached, just pressed on?

Its just pressed on and it was an easy swap out with the right tools of course. I would not recommend doing it for less experienced people but overall the hardest part is getting the clip that hold the bell housing in place off and back on again.

[Oldblueaccord]

Quaife LSD is one of the best. This in itself lends me to work with an A20 and not go B or H22 route. There expensive but well made.

wp

[rjudgey]

LSD i can confirm it works there was a Honda enthusiast who built a 3rd gen civic called Kakkbox for autocross custom everything the guy was a machining god!! He dropped a D16 from a teg into it like the JDM cars had and after some research he found that yes the 99-00 Civic SI B16 LSD does fit but depending on which brand LSD you may need to get your dremel out and file a bit of the inside of the casing down to clear the bolt heads on the LSD. This was done with out issue, he also noted not to go with the cheaper brand LSD's but spend the money and buy the more expensive Quaife or similar brands you pays for what you get kinda attitude as i think he had stuffed a cheaper one up quite easily. So yes will fit Teg box and Accord box plus late 2nd gen lude boxes early ones are maybe a no no.

[b20a86lude]

well this fit my b20 tranny also , how much was this aslo does the cusco lsd work as well

[2drSE-i]

Sorry to dig this thread up from the grave, but for clarification, this would mean that the final drive gears from B16A's, A20's, B20A's and B18B's should all go in without any problems?

[RobT5580]

I have yet to play with my gear ratio's but i am sure there are gears out there that will swap. My B20A gears are to short for a boosted car so i want to work on that.

[turabaka]

Not sure if I just missed it or what, but are those diffs a one-way or two-way limited slip?

On a side note. Any thoughts on who makes the best one-way clutch style limited slip? Nobody had better say Phantom Grip.

[Ichiban]

I'm interested in the Quaife, torsen, detroit truetrac etc.... diff for these cars. I do need to regear my box in the worst way though.

[MessyHonda]

i was also thinking that but also the output shaft would have to match up the final drive...and no output shaft is 19 spine count like ours with a 212mm disk because the b series disk are 220mm with 24 spine count

[2drSE-i]

Thanks for the input messy. I guess the optimum configuration (after about an hour playing with gear calculators and doing research) is 1-4 teg and 5th accord, with the teg final drive. Something we already knew lol. What a waste...

[MessyHonda]

Thanks for the input messy. I guess the optimum configuration (after about an hour playing with gear calculators and doing research) is 1-4 teg and 5th accord, with the teg final drive. Something we already knew lol. What a waste...

lsd would also help too...

[AccordB20A]

only reason i want a LSD is cause its a easy way to get rid of the diff pin that snaps and fucks your whole box issue haha

[Doward]

Yeah, yeah, just so we're clear -

A B series LSD will fit into an A20 series differential?

[ACE_14]

Will this work for an automatic as well?

OBX has LSDs, anybody know how good they are?

[AccordB20A]

auto diffs are completely different i think but theres bound to be one made for a auto b series that might fit?

[ACE_14]

What about the Phantom Grip ones? Will they work with my automatic?

[guaynabo89]

No

[ACE_14]

There's gotta be something out there I can use......

[MessyHonda]

There's gotta be something out there I can use......

yea only way is to convert to 5 speed

[ACE_14]

REALLY?.........

There's all sorts of Automatics out there with LSDs and your saying there's nothing for our Accords.

[AccordEpicenter]

why bother with an auto? I smoked mine running 17s in the 1/4... then i swapped to 5 speed and dropped over a second alone just by rocking the 5 speed. So a 5 speed swap is a must if your going for performance in this car

[1813mdw]

REALLY?.........

There's all sorts of Automatics out there with LSDs and your saying there's nothing for our Accords.

your best bet would be to contact a few lsd companies and ask them yourself. phantomgrip has put lsds in everything from vintage racecars to pt cruisers, so give them a call.

[AccordB20A]

its because no one bothers with an auto when it comes to racing, as AccordEpicenter said, he dropped 1 second off his 1/4 which quite a bit.

best bet after talking to some LSD companies would be to try a automatic b series diff in your auto accord box, if its fits, find a b series auto box thats LSD and swap the diff.

auto LSD b series cars do exist (from japan)

[ACE_14]

Well I'm waiting for a reply from Phantom Grip, so lets see what they say.

Everybody gives up on an Auto, I'm not going to. This isn't going to be an all out 10sec. racer. I'm keeping it as a DD, but I would love it to handle more power when I need it to.

I've already got my Raybestos Stage-1 Frictions and Steels, along with a complete overhaul kit that I bought from, What Ever It Takes. My mechanic's just waiting for me to drop it off. While everything is apart I'd like to take the chance and put in an LSD if possible.

It should handle what I have planned for my car with no problems.

[1813mdw]

Well I'm waiting for a reply from Phantom Grip, so lets see what they say.

Everybody gives up on an Auto, I'm not going to. This isn't going to be an all out 10sec. racer. I'm keeping it as a DD, but I would love it to handle more power when I need it to.

I've already got my Raybestos Stage-1 Frictions and Steels, along with a complete overhaul kit that I bought from, What Ever It Takes. My mechanic's just waiting for me to drop it off. While everything is apart I'd like to take the chance and put in an LSD if possible.

It should handle what I have planned for my car with no problems.

i personally would prefer a 5speed but props to you for not following everyones footsteps. if you want an auto go for it. you might have to blaze a couple trails; but in the end you'll have what YOU want. good luck, bud. keep us posted