carburetor

[badbobb]

everything is done on the car now. car starts but doesnt run long. i try to hit the footfeed (lol i said footfeed:kekeke:) and it just dies. i thought it was vaccume, but wasnt. well i had my buddy pour a lil gas into it when i start it up, and it stayed running, it even reved durring this process. well after pouring gas it dies a few secs afterwards. what is the prob.

[2oodoor]

out of gas?


or things that mimick being out of gas such as float needle stuck closed, fuel filter, fuel pump, fuel screen in tank, or water

[2ndGenGuy]

:werd: Sounds like roodoo is on top of it, as usual. :)

[badbobb]

its not out of gas, but for some information, i did do a head gasket and while the carb was off, i carb cleaned the hell out of it.

[2oodoor]

did you have it upside down, please say NO

[badbobb]

yeah, what did i do

[Civic Accord Honda]

uh oh.... time to rebuild it....

[badbobb]

why? tell me what happened as i turned it upside down. im not happy. i was at the junk yard today, and found a hatchback with a carb in it. i know the top is a circle, but can i make this happen with the other cars breather at the yard? well heres the pic http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc10/firebadbobb/03161647b.jpg

[badbobb]

ok, here is the update. i just got back in from the garage and now me car only turns over?!? wtf? its only been like 1hr since it was trying to run. btw, what is the fuel pressure on it?

[Civic Accord Honda]

http://www.3geez.com/forum/showthread.php?t=5350
read read read and then read some more is all i can recommend since the last time i worked on early 2g carb was 4 years ago

[badbobb]

do you think its cheaper to just buy a carb? or just rebuild? and what about that carb i found at the yard? where are you rooboo

[SZfiftyfour]

that must be an 84-85 (ES1?)carb. It's not the same motor as whats in yours (EK1)so i'm pretty sure it won't work. A rebuilt carb is going to be over $400, A weber is only slightly less. I've never seen a rebuild kit for a stock carb, not to say they arent out there. If you turned it upside down, you may need new floats.

[lostforawhile]

try importcarbs.com you can get one cheaper then that. or he can rebuild yours.

[Civic Accord Honda]

a weber will make your engine bay look the sexy like CcordLevel2 sig

[badbobb]

yeah, i know. i nut everytime i see his weber. but the way i see it, why drop mad cash in a car that isnt mine. remember guys, this me wifes. but, i found this rebuild. it says its for me but what you think? http://www.autozone.com/autozone/catalog/parts/partsShelf.jsp?displayName=Carburetor+Kit&currentPage=1&categoryDisplayName=Fuel+Delivery&navValue=14900183&itemId=prod10873&parentId=cat10007

i found what im trading my rex for, check it: http://hondaswap.com/attachments/8281d1218943720-picture-002.jpg

also look at this pimp redo of my new project:
http://www.honda-tech.com/showthread.php?t=2082412

its the white one towards the bottom after the rexes.

why do the floats screw up when turned upside down? also i checked the fuel pump. its ok too. time to reply

[Civic Accord Honda]

is that shoe a STD or DX? your def going to want to do a MPFI swap on it if u plan on making any power for it. i have a 91 DX

[2ndGenGuy]

Rebuild the carb? Because you turned it upside down? Maybe your float needle fell out or something. I would take the top off of it and look inside the float bowl and make sure the float moves freely and that the valve is operating properly before you go doing a whole full on rebuild of it.

[badbobb]

can you give me a pic of what a float looks like. im new to carbs so i dont know what im looking for. also on that note, you talkin about the model? of mine or in pic. if its the pics then its an si. what im getting is a dx. and yes. i found a zc in a yard. if the zc is a lil too much to do (i dont have much money) ill do the b16. def no more carbs for me.

[Ichiban]

I call bullshit on a bunch of this.

1. Pull off your fuel line, and have your buddy crank over the engine, verify you get fuel to the carb. If not, investigate and repair.

2. If you have fuel, car should start. Since it doesn't, try manually filling the float bowl via the vent tube in the carb throat. It's the one to the left of the secondary barrel that's cut off on an angle. A small funnel or a can of carb cleaner works good for this. Fill it until it spills out of the secondary jet, or the top of the vent tube. The car should run for a minute or two until the fuel in the float bowl is consumed.

3. If you somehow have fuel and it's not getting into the carb, now take off the top hat. You need to dismantle the accelerator pump linkage and some other shit, but it's pretty easy. Get an impact screwdriver for undoing the top hat screws, as they're probably seized. Dismantle the float and needle, and blow out the passages with air or carb cleaner. I don't recommend you move the float seat, it's the big flat screw where the needle goes in the bottom, as it changes the float height and is nearly impossible to set back up again.

I'm sure that you have a problem with your fuel pump, not your carb. And, in my experience, turning the carb upsidedown does nothing but piss gasoline on your shoes.

[badbobb]

lol, nice advice guys. guy, i checked the pump and gas does come out when my buddy turns over the car for me. thanks again for taking time to help with this whole thing. ill be updating soon

[denhonda]

As you did the headgasket, did you install the timing belt correctly?

Your cars problems sound identical to mine & the only thing that was changed on my car before it went faulty was the timing belt.

I checked my carb & it made no difference.

BTW a 84-85 carb does fit & the car will run with it installed though there are differences & the barrell size is bigger. Better with the original or a Weber imo.

Doing more work on my poorly car today!

[badbobb]

timing belt is good. now this car is just turning over. i need ideas. car is still down. tired of getting rides off people. also my internet is shut off right now. im on my buddys pc right now. so dont expect fast replies. i dont think it needs to be rebuilt as well.

[88Accord-DX]

Phuck rebuilding the carb or even trying to get the thing to ever run right now & in the future. Once you have problems with them, it never stops. There is all sorts of vacuum devices that start to go with the added headaches of these OEM carbs. I know from experience, I rebuilt a few carbs for my car & never was happy with it. Finally decided enough was enough & installed a weber. So my advice is to quit messing with the carb., cause it's like pulling teeth. The quicker you pull it, the less pain you'll have. Weber is the only way with these cars.

[badbobb]

ok, i here ya with the weber thing, but what about this? i an get it to run then dies. now if i put my hand over it, and let off and so on and so on, it will run. when i stop, then it dies....

[2ndGenGuy]

Sounds like maybe the car is cold at first and needs some more choke. Is the choke plate closed when you're trying to cold start the motor? If it still dies after it warms up, maybe it just needs the idle adjustment turned up?

[2oodoor]

sorry bob I missed the update ..
turning those type carbs upside down causes junk settled in the bowl to be disturbed and gas plus debirs gets into crevices in the carb which can begin a "whole nubba lebel "a headaches. :)

You can beat the cost of a weber by lookn for used ones. Works for me.'

Carefull not to gas wash your cylinders working with a flooded engine, it will lose compression and lead to misdiagnosis.

[badbobb]

nm guys, figured out prob. i found a wire not plugged in. im dumb. runs now. more pics soon.

[2ndGenGuy]

Yay!! Good work man! More Piccies!

[badbobb]

ok, bad news bro. i think i need a new head. how much is a head or an ek1 engine. im pissed as fuck. we checked but i guess not that well.

[badbobb]

i finally started the car and the car runs. but..............it blows out alot of smoke, smoke in back you can taste antifreeze a little. and idles real high. it idles high in like the 3000's. i got alot of oil on the engine and gas from trial and errors. so i got smoke comming from the engine too. is this cause of that or the head thing? hmmmmm. i dont know what else to say. just get me running guys.

[2ndGenGuy]

Did you have the head checked for warpage before you put it on? I'd be willing to bet it's indeed warped, from the sounds of things. Oil and coolant can be burning off in the head if warped bad enough.

[Civic Accord Honda]

its probley because there is still coolant in your exhuast take it for a good 45 minute drive (stay around town though) to let it all burn out

[badbobb]

sorry, like i said, i dont have my net back yet so that is why its so long to reply. id love to give pics, but ill be giving nothing but sadness:( i thought about the whole coolant deal in exaust, but it keeps draining my radiator:( also my oilcap has milky oil on it:( i also changed the oil:( i am an idiot, i should have checked the head. i know i cant justify myself because my wife kept bothering me about the car so yeah i cant do that. someone needs to help me find a cheap head thats good. is my block bad as well? i know my block is not aluminum......i looked and i found a head for 500 bucks. they dont make crates for this and i cant afford 900 bucks for a rebuilt engine thatr has 1000 miles on it. ( i found that on this old honda) so should i buy a new head or get it fixed from a shop? again i dont have much money so i need your guys help thanx. im tired of seeing a pretty car with probs in my driveway.

[Civic Accord Honda]

sucks i dont still live in ridgecrest there is an 83 at the junkyard there . im sure someone else on here can find one at a junkyard and get u the head though

[Placebo]

If you are up for a road trip you could get an se-i engine from ebay for $200.00. It's in Philli, about 7 hours from you according to googlemaps (the best, double true). If you're not working this weekend you could be installing it on Sunday. Just have to call those guys and get them to waive shipping. Oh and there are a few others on ebay, but they're in California. But also try searching craigslist posting in the area you're willing to drive to, you never know. Good luck.

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[2ndGenGuy]

The SEi engine would not quite be a bolt in for the 83 model. There are a few issues, some slightly different engine mounts, and no clearance for the exhaust by the front of the engine.

You probably don't need a new head man. Good chance that yours is still ok. It's probably just warped. Shops don't charge a whole lot to mill them. Maybe between $60 and $80. Have them check it out and make sure it's not cracked, it shouldn't cost you any more. And if you do find out it's cracked, they're usually cool about not reaming you for the whole price anyways. Especially if you find a good head and bring it in to get milled. At least in my experience, the machine guys are always cool about helping out.

[Placebo]

Didn't know it was an 83. Even if it isn't cracked they might need to mill too much to make it true. Make sure they have all the specs as to what the tolerance is. From what I remember there isn't much room to play with.

[SZfiftyfour]

Poor 2gee, I hope you get it squared away. Did the wife run it hot?
My wife probably wouldn't even know it if she ran her car hot. You gotta watch these women, the red end of the temp gauge might as well be a smiley face lol.

[badbobb]

cool. thx for the reply guys. my dads calling aorund. i figured it would be cheaper to go ahead and remill or weld instead of buy new. but im tired and sas about my dam car. (my bad her car, i love this car more than her)

[Dr_Snooz]

The SEi engine would not quite be a bolt in for the 83 model. There are a few issues, some slightly different engine mounts, and no clearance for the exhaust by the front of the engine.

You probably don't need a new head man. Good chance that yours is still ok. It's probably just warped. Shops don't charge a whole lot to mill them. Maybe between $60 and $80. Have them check it out and make sure it's not cracked, it shouldn't cost you any more. And if you do find out it's cracked, they're usually cool about not reaming you for the whole price anyways. Especially if you find a good head and bring it in to get milled. At least in my experience, the machine guys are always cool about helping out.

I have to agree. Don't give up on what you have. Did you torque the head bolts in proper sequence and by stages? When I rebuilt my '82 I torqued everything down and then found the one part I'd forgotten to put in. I pulled it all apart, put the part in and re-torqued. Didn't change the head gasket and I should have. The thing leaked coolant like crazy. Thankfully it was down the side of the block and not into the oil so I just drove it. The point is, it could be something real simple and cheap, like a head gasket...or loose head bolts. Look over your work and re-torque the head. Try over-torquing. If that doesn't do it, pull the head and take it to a machine shop. Have them look it over. A head rebuild is $150 or so. If yours ends up being toast, you can pull a head from the junkyard and have that rebuilt. Make friends with a good machine shop and they'll tell you how to choose a good one. Don't give up. All is not lost, especially if the car is otherwise in good shape.

If I had to do things over again, I would have kept my 2g. It was a wonderful car. Stick with it and don't beat yourself up. We've all been there.

[badbobb]

i know, im just like thayt when i have problem with me car. i did everything with sequence. like i said i found a guy that will do everything for 20 bucks. i just didnt check head. (remember i dont know much, just maintenance) soon will be great. in other post ijm drunk off wine. talk soon. dont forget meeeee.




BTW: i love spell check!!!!

[Ichiban]

the red end of the temp gauge might as well be a smiley face lol.

What it really is to these engines is a big fuck you. Funny, I just told someone else to make sure that their idle mixture solenoid was plugged in, in another thread.:flash:

[Ichiban]

If you wait a couple of months I have an entire Canadian EL 1602 with 2bbl carb and 5 speed (no CVCC!!!) coming out of my '82 to make room for a JDM B20A (that won't "quite" bolt in!)