HOW TO: DIY catch can

[89T]

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*****If you are going to add a second fitting to the valve cover, page 1 is a must read.
http://www.3geez.com/forum/showthread.php?t=69021 (http://www.3geez.com/forum/showthread.php?t=69021) *****
these are the tools you will need to build your own catch can.
there is one tool that i used that is not easily available.
the tool to the far right is called a 1" copper flare tool.I went to home depot to price one and it seems they do not carry it. So you will have to use a hole saw or a step bit and debur the hole with a file... not a big deal. It will change some steps in the making of the can .

First of all please use a empty can. double check that it is empty. If it is not empty burn off all the fuel with a camping oven or torch.
build the catch can at you're own risk. By attempting to build this catch can you are agreeing to take full responsibility if harm comes to you ,your home or any by standers. This is only meant to be a guide.
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after and only after you fully empty the can get a small pair of needle nose pliers and slowly remove the valve stem needle. If you start to hear a hissing sound tighten the needle back up put the tank back on the torch or oven and burn the fuel off.
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this is what the needle looks like when removed.
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remove the fill needle in the same manner as the first.

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needle removed.

IMPORTANT:now fill the tank with water. this will expel any lingering fumes inside the bottle.

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leave the needles out of the bottle and use a hacksaw or saws-all to remove the center threaded section.

[89T]

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This is the back side of the threaded section.
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I trimmed the rubber section of the filter with a razor knife.I did this so i could easily slide the filter on and off to drain the tank.

if you do not have a 1" copper flaring tool.
you will need to purchase a filter and measure the opening in the groove.
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after filter is measured take a step bit or hole saw and drill through the center hole of the can. Debur the opening with a file.
the filter section is done.
Using the flaring tool:
now tap the flaring tool until its fully seated.

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as you can see the flaring tool leaves a nice smooth rounded opening.

[89T]

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filter test fitted.
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catch can sitting to a brother can with a torch attached.
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Clamp the catch can in a vise and measure 2" from the vice jaw and make a couple of marks then using a straight edge connect the marks with a line. this will be the center line for the fittings.
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mark the fittings center 1" apart. when the fittings are installed they will be 1/2" apart from each other.
take a center punch and dimple the marks to keep the drill bit from wandering.
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Your going to use 1/2" coolant fittings. Drill a 1/2" hole in each of the dimples.
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debur the openings lightly. you want the holes to fit tight to the fittings.
use a pair of larger needle nose to slightly bend one spot of the opening.
The arrow shows a slight bend on the edge of the hole.
The reason you do this is to give the fitting somewhere to bite in and Begin to thread.

[89T]

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Get the fitting to start by hand until it wont move.
The fittings i used do not have provisions for a wrench or socket.They have slits on the end of the fitting. i used a chisel. While pushing down as you turn the fitting it will Begin to thread it's self on.

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the proper way to use thread tape. Its in the vise so i could snap a pic.
hold the fitting in your left hand and roll the tape away from you 5 to 7 wraps.
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I included this pic to show you what you would do for a drain back system.
Drain back systems can/will contaminate you're oil.

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finished .

[Civic Accord Honda]

sweet!, how much total did it cost to make? i gotta install one on my civic

[89T]

prices and parts list. tomorrow. it's getting late and i am tired.
I need to proof read it one more time with rested eyes.

[Rendon LX-i]

bump

[89T]

bump
i see you'r bump and raise you a bump. lol

[Pico]

i see you'r bump and raise you a bump. lol

off topic:
when did you shorten your name to 89t

[Rendon LX-i]

lol...awesome...i just got done cutting the top...whats up with the list you where going to put down...of where you got the fittings and breaher/filter. ill prolly just use brass fitting if the fittings you got are hard to come by

[89T]

off topic:
when did you shorten your name to 89t

I asked for it to be changed last Sunday when i started my new build thread. I believe it was officially changed on Monday.
http://www.3geez.com/forum/showthread.php?t=69021


lol...awesome...i just got done cutting the top...whats up with the list you where going to put down...of where you got the fittings and breather/filter. ill prolly just use brass fitting if the fittings you got are hard to come by
advanced auto parts. like $13 for the breather filter and $4.09 each for the fittings.
$.91 per foot for the hose at Lowe's. i used 6 or 7 ft.
i need to measure

[Rendon LX-i]

good to know ill write this shit down and get it tommorow...your the man bro...it should be done by tommorow

[BITESIZE]

what is a catch can used for?

[Rendon LX-i]

its elimanates the pcv system...run two tubes from your valve cover to the catch can and your set

[import racer]

What about the part on the back that's on the oil pan,does that stay the way it is.I thught one of the hoses went to there.

[Tdurr]

What about the part on the back that's on the oil pan,does that stay the way it is.I thught one of the hoses went to there.

x2.

[89T]

what is a catch can used for?
read this post then go to the link.
http://www.3geez.com/forum/showpost.php?p=953410&postcount=4


What about the part on the back that's on the oil pan,does that stay the way it is.I thought one of the hoses went to there.


x2.

the way i have it now you could use the stock valve cover vent to one of the fittings on the catch can and the other to the oil separator on the back of the engine.
You could add another 1 or 2 fittings and run 1-2 vents from the valve cover and 1-2 vents on the oil separator.

I am going to make another sealed can with 1 line in and 1 line out using cold air tube pre-turbo for vacuum.
this can will evacuate the crank case pressure and take the place of the oil separator.

[Rendon LX-i]

yeah im going to keep my pcv catch can in still...which in is inline

[Tdurr]

read this post then go to the link.
http://www.3geez.com/forum/showpost.php?p=953410&postcount=4





the way i have it now you could use the stock valve cover vent to one of the fittings on the catch can and the other to the oil separator on the back of the engine.
You could add another 1 or 2 fittings and run 1-2 vents from the valve cover and 1-2 vents on the oil separator.

I am going to make another sealed can with 1 line in and 1 line out using cold air tube pre-turbo for vacuum.
this can will evacuate the crank case pressure and take the place of the oil separator.

where is the oil separator located?

[89T]

where is the oil separator located?

black box on the back of the block.

hold on!
mmmmmhammm.
there you go! lol!

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[Rendon LX-i]

Little tip for you tdurr...REDO YOUR PCV before you boost LOL...take that bastard out and gut the valve..and run a tube from the PCV to the catch can then from catch can to turbo intake like 3 inches from the compresser...just drill a hole big enough to screw a 3/8 brass/flared fitting. and thats it...well youll have fun installing the kit...its a bolt on but you have to make your own charge pipes which is not shit.

[Tdurr]

black box on the back of the block.

hold on!
mmmmmhammm.
there you go! lol!

http://img30.imageshack.us/img30/9105/may220004.jpg (http://img30.imageshack.us/my.php?image=may220004.jpg)


lol thanks.


Little tip for you tdurr...REDO YOUR PCV before you boost LOL...take that *** out and gut the valve..and run a tube from the PCV to the catch can then from catch can to turbo intake like 3 inches from the compresser...just drill a hole big enough to screw a 3/8 brass/flared fitting. and thats it...well youll have fun installing the kit...its a bolt on but you have to make your own charge pipes which is not ***.

planned on redoing the whole thing. I think its messed up atm anyways. thanks for telling me wut to do tho lol. :)

edit: could i just run that hose from the oil pan to the catch can and get rid of the box all together?

[Rendon LX-i]

I wouldnt...The black box Separates the the oil and water = Condisation or w/e..sorry my spelling HELLA BAD LOL. but if you just ran a hose from the pan you prolly lose oil bro.

[Tdurr]

I wouldnt...The black box Separates the the oil and water = Condisation or w/e..sorry my spelling HELLA BAD LOL. but if you just ran a hose from the pan you prolly lose oil bro.

lol okay didnt know that. will just do what you said then.

[Rendon LX-i]

WOOT...can is almost done...just need to drill a hole on top and the v/c and done. I used H/D shit...you get shit load of hose for 12bucks...fittings are 3.50 and the drain fitting was 2.50 so rather cheap. the filter was nice at auto zone. was 14. had a Rubber groment so ill drill a hole bit enought to put that in and i can just pop in and out the filter SWEET.

['A20A3']

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i connected my line to the can from the pipe on the oil pan. i completely eliminated the black box. up top the valve cover goes to the can as well.

PS - PCV systems kill piston rings at high rpms. thats why catch cans are always a good idea to protect against oil burning from murdered piston rings from crankcase pressure. especially on boosted engines.

[Rendon LX-i]

thats true...i pm'd your ass bout that and you never REPLIED FOO lol

['A20A3']

i dont lose any oil. my can is mounted up high on the firewall. and i run amsoil. this A20 is fresh.

you dont need that stupid black box for real. thats what the can is for. besides the black box just separates the fumes from the sludge and only lets the fumes out. eliminating it allows no sludge to build up, except in the can. and if you do it correctly, you got a drain valve on the bottom of the can, and you drain it periodically. instead of letting the black box recirculate that shit back in with your oil.

['A20A3']

thats true...i pm'd your ass bout that and you never REPLIED FOO lol


my bad dude i f'ed up mang im sorry

:bandance:

haha

[Rendon LX-i]

how did you plug the hole on the block from the black box?

['A20A3']

to be honest i left the box on, and removed the hose from it. it doesnt leak on anything. i cleaned it out with gumcutter. love that stuff. i imagine a freeze plug would work fine as a blockoff plate though.

[Civic Accord Honda]

ill probably connect mine like this
http://img46.imageshack.us/img46/3186/catchcan.jpg

[Rendon LX-i]

and when your boosted. you take the green off the intake,cap it, then you run that to the intake turbo...so at idle its still have slight suction and at boost its sucking all the pressure out. i wouldnt tap into the v/c just put a breather on it.

[89T]

ill probably connect mine like this
http://img46.imageshack.us/img46/3186/catchcan.jpg
hey CAH, if you do it the way you are sowing in the pic you will need to put a pcv valve on the green line. If you don't the car will idle high. You are introducing a vacuum leak to the intake manifold.
If you get vacuum from the cai before the throttle body you wont need the valve.

Also if you want to use a vacuum assist you need a sealed can No breather filter and you'll need to use a brass valve to drain it.

One more thing spend an extra $3-$4 for a 3rd fitting and don't splice the lines together.

[89T]

i connected my line to the can from the pipe on the oil pan. i completely eliminated the black box. up top the valve cover goes to the can as well.
the tube on the oil pan is meant for drain back from the separator.
I wounder, on a hard launch would the oil slosh up in to the opening and force oil in to the line?
I think I'll run 1 tube from the tube and one from the block completely removing the separator.


PS - PCV systems kill piston rings at high rpms. thats why catch cans are always a good idea to protect against oil burning from murdered piston rings from crankcase pressure. especially on boosted engines.
also re-burning the oil and vapors increases the risk of detonation.

[89T]

sorry my spelling HELLA BAD LOL.
www.iespell.com (http://www.iespell.com) LOL!

[OldSchool86]

I wouldnt...The black box Separates the the oil and water = Condisation or w/e..sorry my spelling HELLA BAD LOL. but if you just ran a hose from the pan you prolly lose oil bro.

The black box is just a filter. You have a PCV Valve(Positive Crankcase Ventilation Valve) witch is a filter in the top of the manifold. and the black box is also a type of filter for the oil pan. a hose runs from the black box to the manifold to relieve pressure.

vacuum pulls the pressure that builds up from the crankcase and from the oil pan so that the engine does not try and blow up, bust a seal, slide a gasket, etc...and the PCV Valve and black box keep oil from getting sucked into the manifold. It has nothing to do with water. and if there "was" going to be an oil water separator it would be in the Oil Pickup Tube. not on the vent tube

[OldSchool86]

i connected my line to the can from the pipe on the oil pan. i completely eliminated the black box. up top the valve cover goes to the can as well.

PS - PCV systems kill piston rings at high rpms. thats why catch cans are always a good idea to protect against oil burning from murdered piston rings from crankcase pressure. especially on boosted engines.

Not trying to be rude or anything. but you guys are very wrong. A PCV Valve is a "Catch Can" its just a really small one with a very low oil holding capacity.
a Catch Can separates and holds more oil than a PCV valve. thats all. the black box is a catch can as well.

and you are backwards, a PCV valve can not hurt your piston rings. what hurts is when you let the filter go bad and then you don't have a proper source to vent the pressure and separate the oil. I.E stay on top of your maintenance(every 10,000 miles) and you will not have a problem.

Just remember this. The most bad ass "FACTORY" turbo and twin turbo cars in the world have PCV Valves.

[89T]

Not trying to be rude or anything. but you guys are very wrong. A PCV Valve is a "Catch Can" its just a really small one with a very low oil holding capacity.
a Catch Can separates and holds more oil than a PCV valve. thats all. the black box is a catch can as well.

and you are back wards, a PCV valve can not hurt your piston rings. what hurts is when you let the filter go bad and then you don't have a proper source to vent the pressure and separate the oil. I.E stay on top of your maintenance(every 10,000 miles) and you will not have a problem.

Just remember this. The most bad ass "FACTORY" turbo and twin turbo cars in the world have PCV Valves.
so if i read right there is a filter in the black box? If not where is it? how do i change it out? The box is sealed.
The pcv valve is just that "a valve". no filter.no catch can.
the black box is however a "catch can". this is agreeable.
It is a recirculating can witch dumps oil and vapors back in to the oil pan, but there are vapors that make it past the can and end up in the intake tract causing build up and cause a leaning effect on fuel mixture.


The only reason the most bad ass twin turbo cars have a pcv valves is because of the emission stand point.

Someone should go to HT and tell the 8-9 sec drag cars that they are doing it all wrong. LOL!J/K


although keeping a slight vacuum in the crank case will increase performance and sealing in the engine you don't want to recirculate blow by especially with bigger injectors on a boosted engine because of the contamination of fuel mixing with oil.

If you read the post i wrote for cah, i explained to him that he still needed the pcv valve and no external breather, basically a sealed system.

If he wanted a vent to atmosphere system he would need no vacuum source.

the whole point of this is to:
1)keep the contaminated oil from re-entering the oil pan
2)keep the contaminated oil/fuel vapor from re-entering the intake
3)Aide in increased ventilation.
not a point but an up side
you're oiling system will stay cleaner longer, and will not sludge up as a factory system will.

I googled pcv valve.


The PCV valve is a spring-loaded valve with a specific orifice size designed to restrict the amount of air that's siphoned from the crankcase into the intake manifold. This is necessary because air drawn through the valve from the crankcase has a leaning effect on the fuel mixture much the same as a vacuum leak. So air flow through the valve must be controlled within certain limits. At idle, air flow is reduced because little blow-by is produced. When the engine is cruising and vacuum is high, airflow through the PCV valve is at a maximum to purge the blowby vapors from the crankcase.


As an engine runs, high-pressure gases are contained within the combustion chamber and prevented from passing into the crankcase (http://www.3geez.com/wiki/Crankcase) (containing the crankshaft (http://www.3geez.com/wiki/Crankshaft) and other parts) between the side of the piston and the cylinder (http://www.3geez.com/wiki/Cylinder_(engine)) bore by piston rings (http://www.3geez.com/wiki/Piston_ring) which seal against the cylinder. However, some amount of gas always leaks past the piston rings into the crankcase. This amount is very small in a new or properly rebuilt engine, provided that the piston rings and cylinder walls are correctly "broken in", and increases as the engine wears. Scratches on the cylinder walls or piston rings, such as those caused by foreign objects entering the engine, can cause large amounts of leakage. This leaked gas is known as blow-by (http://www.3geez.com/wiki/Blow-by) because the pressure within the cylinders blows it by the piston rings. If this blow-by (http://www.3geez.com/wiki/Blow-by) gas could not escape then pressure would build up within the crankcase.
Before the invention of Crankcase Ventilation in 1928 the engine oil seals were designed to withstand this pressure, oil leaking to the ground was accepted and the dipstick was screwed in. The hydrocarbon rich gas would then diffuse through the oil in the seals into the atmosphere. It is therefore an emissions requirement as well as a functional necessity that the crankcase has a ventilation system. This must maintain the crankcase at slightly less than atmospheric pressure and recycle the blow-by gas back into the engine intake. However, due to the constant circulation of the oil within the engine, along with the high speed movement of the crankshaft, an oil mist is also passed through the PCV system and into the intake. The oil is then either burnt during combustion or settles along the intake tract, causing a gradual build-up of residue inside the inlet path. For this reason many engine tuners choose to replace the PCV system with an oil catch can and breather filter which vents the blow-by gases directly to atmosphere and retains the oil in a small tank (or returns it to the sump (http://www.3geez.com/wiki/Sump)), although this technically fails to meet most engine emission legislation.

So, to end thank you for you'r post to further educate us all on how a catch can and pcv system works.
I learned more about it searching the net to give an somewhat educated answer.

BTW you were not being rude. :)

[Rendon LX-i]

X2 the man said it all...couldnt said it any better myself. STOCK HONDA PCV is crap...doent work well. you rather have the can inline with it instead of that crap going back inside Gumming shit up.

1. Stock PCV system lets oil as well as vapours to get into the comb. chamber. becasue the vacuum from the intake manifold at idle is too strong. The oil there (which you can see if you unbolt the intake manifold and take a look inside) is the bad part, becasue it makes the explosion suitable for detonation (you find that out when you start advancing the timing). People recommend installing a catch can on non-turbo cars too, due to that same oil going into the comb.chambers, and making crappy explosion, which causes loss in power. Detonation - that's the harm when you start making more power out of an engine.

2. you can not just install an inline filter - it won't work. (Shall I explaing why? ). That's what the catch cans are for.

3. using the turbo inlet as a source of vacuum does not decrease the turbo life. The oil that's being sucked with the vapors even help for the lubrication of the compressor. If you're concerned with the temperature of the vapours causing compressor seals to go bad, then I'll remind you that all turbos work in the heat anyways. Also those vapours have almost no contact with the seals (take a turbo apart, and you'll see why). However, that bad part (again) is when that oil gets burned into the engine ...

4. Don't even start with the mith that the oil from the PCV could seal scratched cylinders inside the comb. chamber, and therefor provide better compression and rise the power a bit .... because that tecknique is used only when you do a compression test to check the condition of your pistons/rings/cylinder walls

SOrry not beenign a dick LOL..getting way into it. but you get the point bro.

[Civic Accord Honda]

hey CAH, if you do it the way you are sowing in the pic you will need to put a pcv valve on the green line. If you don't the car will idle high. You are introducing a vacuum leak to the intake manifold.
If you get vacuum from the cai before the throttle body you wont need the valve.

Also if you want to use a vacuum assist you need a sealed can No breather filter and you'll need to use a brass valve to drain it.

One more thing spend an extra $3-$4 for a 3rd fitting and don't splice the lines together.


hm so i can just connect that green line to the bung on my short ram?

[OldSchool86]

so if i read right there is a filter in the black box? If not where is it? how do i change it out? The box is sealed.
The pcv valve is just that "a valve". no filter.no catch can.
the black box is however a "catch can". this is agreeable.
It is a recirculating can witch dumps oil and vapors back in to the oil pan, but there are vapors that make it past the can and end up in the intake tract causing build up and cause a leaning effect on fuel mixture.


The only reason the most bad ass twin turbo cars have a pcv valves is because of the emission stand point.

Someone should go to HT and tell the 8-9 sec drag cars that they are doing it all wrong. LOL!J/K


although keeping a slight vacuum in the crank case will increase performance and sealing in the engine you don't want to recirculate blow by especially with bigger injectors on a boosted engine because of the contamination of fuel mixing with oil.

If you read the post i wrote for cah, i explained to him that he still needed the pcv valve and no external breather, basically a sealed system.

If he wanted a vent to atmosphere system he would need no vacuum source.

the whole point of this is to:
1)keep the contaminated oil from re-entering the oil pan
2)keep the contaminated oil/fuel vapor from re-entering the intake
3)Aide in increased ventilation.
not a point but an up side
you're oiling system will stay cleaner longer, and will not sludge up as a factory system will.

I googled pcv valve.




So, to end thank you for you'r post to further educate us all on how a catch can and pcv system works.
I learned more about it searching the net to give an somewhat educated answer.

BTW you were not being rude. :)

you should not lean to the internet to educate your self. anyone can post what ever they want on the internet weather its true or not. my education comes from years of hands on and ASE certifications.

a new pcv valve rattles when it is new and does not when it is bad. meaning it is clogged. IT WORKS THE SAME AS A FILTER. the manifold sucks from the black box it does not dump into it.

[OldSchool86]

look 89t i just want to say that i've got no beef with you. so please dont have any hard feelings. but im sure you got your info from wikipedia. sense its in there word for word. well go back to wikipedia do the same search and press the edit button. once you do that you can type in what ever you want and press save. you can put in there that you invented it and it will save it for all the world to see. and the black box is channeled if you cut one in half. keeping oil from being able to rise and be sucked. any way that you keep something being able to go through something is a process filtering.
so no it does not have a removable filter. BUT. it does filter.

[Tdurr]

good thread. lol

[Rendon LX-i]

WRONG.. Nothing against you...but just cause you have a BAGDE saying your ASE doesnt me your the shit bro im sorry. I learned form guys that have 400hp hondas. SO you telling me using the stock system works LOL. your crazy. i would say by by to your motor if you think so. I learned you have to COMPLETY REDO it for the fact that your ring/ring glads well OWN YOU....So just cause your ASE buddys think its right just keep doing what your doing lol. I have plenty of buddys running vented catch cars or by the kit for b series dont dont have the black box. Not to be a dick but you better go back to your ASE buddys and teach then how it is. Its. AND dont throw that to are faces. I know shit they dont know and i dont know shit that they know.

IM not beening rude but just stating bud.

RENDON

ps. Keeping the block box stock under boost wont work. na ya...but when it comes to boost no. N/A depending how much HP your laying.

[Rendon LX-i]

ill wont talk anymore....Ill just hand you this and READ

http://www.honda-tech.com/showthread.php?t=1199935

[89T]

you should not lean to the internet to educate your self. anyone can post what ever they want on the internet weather its true or not. my education comes from years of hands on and ASE certifications.

a new pcv valve rattles when it is new and does not when it is bad. meaning it is clogged. IT WORKS THE SAME AS A FILTER. the manifold sucks from the black box it does not dump into it.

i know the manifold sucks into the box and i also know that any oil or vapor that is separated in the box dumps/drains back into the oil pan via the tube on the bottom of the separator. I also want to point out the reason the pcv valve gets clogged is because of the contaminants that is being drawn through it into the manifold. a spot where the turbulence is greatest will tend to collect the most amount of contaminants.

So if i go with what you said about the pcv valve and you're explanation that it's a filter.
Would it be fair to say that the vacuum line from the box to the pcv valve is a filter also. I have seen them clogged before.


look 89t i just want to say that I've got no beef with you. so please don't have any hard feelings. but I'm sure you got your info from wikipedia. sense its in there word for word. well go back to wikipedia do the same search and press the edit button. once you do that you can type in what ever you want and press save. you can put in there that you invented it and it will save it for all the world to see. and the black box is channeled if you cut one in half. keeping oil from being able to rise and be sucked. any way that you keep something being able to go through something is a process filtering.
so no it does not have a removable filter. BUT. it does filter.

I read just about the same thing from a number of other sources, prior to cut and paste and quoting.
I don't get into the habit of reading one thing and thinking it is the gold standard.
so ya..
And you are right separator, filter = same thing.

I have no beef with you either and I don't get mad, I like a healthy debate weather i am right or wrong. If you are right all the time you don't learn anything.

[89T]

hm so i can just connect that green line to the bung on my short ram?
yea. unless you want a breather/filter. then you just hook the lines to the catch can and thats it. no vacuum line.

[Rendon LX-i]

X2 DING DING DING...we win LOL. just take it in bro. smell it breath it. Your just wrong and where right.

[Civic Accord Honda]

yea. unless you want a breather/filter. then you just hook the lines to the catch can and thats it. no vacuum line.

hmm so i can just hook it up like this and it will be fine? it doesn't need the vacuum?
http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff103/Dark_Accord/fc50f12f.jpg

[Rendon LX-i]

No no....run the green tube how it was but put a filter on the valve cover.....so just how you had it but just a filter on the valve...so its a sealed like stock...

SO just take out the blue line and just a filter the rest is good.

[Civic Accord Honda]

hmm but id rather run that to the catch can since i have a filter there now and its gets all oily if i drive it in the high rpms alot

[89T]

hmm so i can just hook it up like this and it will be fine? it doesn't need the vacuum?
http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff103/Dark_Accord/fc50f12f.jpgyup. no "Y" or "t" splice though. keep the lines separate all the way to the can.
no vacuum if you are using a filter on the can.
now the other way would use a vacuum line to the can and no filter(sealed) . does that make sense lol.

you know what my civic leaked oil from the black box, all i had to do was replace the o ring.

[Civic Accord Honda]

kk ill probably do that then :thumbup:

[OldSchool86]

WRONG.. Nothing against you...but just cause you have a BAGDE saying your ASE doesnt me your the shit bro im sorry. I learned form guys that have 400hp hondas. SO you telling me using the stock system works LOL. your crazy. i would say by by to your motor if you think so. I learned you have to COMPLETY REDO it for the fact that your ring/ring glads well OWN YOU....So just cause your ASE buddys think its right just keep doing what your doing lol. I have plenty of buddys running vented catch cars or by the kit for b series dont dont have the black box. Not to be a dick but you better go back to your ASE buddys and teach then how it is. Its. AND dont throw that to are faces. I know shit they dont know and i dont know shit that they know.

IM not beening rude but just stating bud.

RENDON

ps. Keeping the block box stock under boost wont work. na ya...but when it comes to boost no. N/A depending how much HP your laying.

i was not saying that the stock shit works as good or even better than the catch can. And i never said anything about the B series having a "Black Box" other than the B20A. i was just making a point that the pcv valve was a type of filter, and that the black box was not an "OIL WATER SEPARATOR" even made the point that it has a low oil holding capacity making it a really small catch can. i never said it would work better. and knowing people with 400hp hondas does not make you an expert. (Unless you built it that is) but i have CLIENTS with 400/600 and 800hp hondas too. 2 of witch were built by "Skunk2," and the other "Comp. Clutch" it doesn't mean i know everything. but i know this. i have a buddy here with a 432hp "single cam" d16z6 bosted with 26psi running the stock pcv valve(NO CATCH CAN)(mainly because he's cheap). again!!! i'm not saying its better than the catch can, i will always recommend the catch can. But its working for him, ...for now atleast

Now I think that we can all agree that other than regulating the pressure the pcv valve also blocks (or) tries to block the oil from getting into the manifold, Correct?

And the "Black box" is not a "Oil Water Separator". it also keeps oil from getting to the manifold. Correct?

And a catch can "IS" better than the stock PCV Valve. Correct?

Cool. now lets all get back to being lovers;) and post some really cool catch can ideas.:cheers:

[OldSchool86]

i know the manifold sucks into the box and i also know that any oil or vapor that is separated in the box dumps/drains back into the oil pan via the tube on the bottom of the separator. I also want to point out the reason the pcv valve gets clogged is because of the contaminants that is being drawn through it into the manifold. a spot where the turbulence is greatest will tend to collect the most amount of contaminants.

So if i go with what you said about the pcv valve and you're explanation that it's a filter.
Would it be fair to say that the vacuum line from the box to the pcv valve is a filter also. I have seen them clogged before.



I read just about the same thing from a number of other sources, prior to cut and paste and quoting.
I don't get into the habit of reading one thing and thinking it is the gold standard.
so ya..
And you are right separator, filter = same thing.

I have no beef with you either and I don't get mad, I like a healthy debate weather i am right or wrong. If you are right all the time you don't learn anything.

very true 89t. i like to debate to. and i dont ever get mad but, i have a habit of making other people mad:burn: i agree with every thing that you are saying. it would seem that we are on the same page. just lost in translation.:thumbup:

[OldSchool86]

this a air compressor inline water separator. it also works great as a catch can. and unlike the aluminum catch cans with this you can see the oil level so you know when to dump. pick it up from any hardware store for around 15 bucks.
http://www.tractorsupply.com/wcsstore/ConsumerDirectStorefrontAssetStore/images/products/600/3432654.jpg

[Rendon LX-i]

LOL.. Thats true you where pushing my buttons haha. i have buddys but i helped then install it. not like i was there the whole time but you know.

Those air compressors work great. I was going to install one in my scion but never go to it.

['A20A3']

i've noticed ever since i put my moroso catch can on that my oil always looks clean on the dipstick. even right before i change it. it never gets really dirty. PCV systems are disgusting things.

[import racer]

So what is the easiest way to hook up a catch can to a n/a honda?

[mephi]

So in a N/A Accord, would you guys suggest venting the catch can with a filter, or running it to vacuum? Should the black box be removed to avoid letting it do its job or is it fine to just leave it there?

From what I understand, you have a line coming from the valve cover, a line coming from where the PCV valve would go, and either a filtered vent on top, or a line going to manifold vacuum. Am I correct there?

[89T]

i've noticed ever since i put my moroso catch can on that my oil always looks clean on the dipstick. even right before i change it. it never gets really dirty. PCV systems are disgusting things.
you hit the nail right on the head.
I am curious, did you'r fuel milage get better?


So in a N/A Accord, would you guys suggest venting the catch can with a filter, or running it to vacuum? Should the black box be removed to avoid letting it do its job or is it fine to just leave it there?

From what I understand, you have a line coming from the valve cover, a line coming from where the PCV valve would go, and either a filtered vent on top, or a line going to manifold vacuum. Am I correct there?

correct.
If you go with a vacume type system you want to pull vacume pre-throttle body.

[Civic Accord Honda]

i've noticed ever since i put my moroso catch can on that my oil always looks clean on the dipstick. even right before i change it. it never gets really dirty. PCV systems are disgusting things.

hows yours connected?

[89T]

very true 89t. i like to debate to. and i dont ever get mad but, i have a habit of making other people mad:burn: i agree with every thing that you are saying. it would seem that we are on the same page. just lost in translation.:thumbup:

It's all good.

:cool:

[89T]

to be honest i left the box on, and removed the hose from it. it doesnt leak on anything. i cleaned it out with gumcutter. love that stuff. i imagine a freeze plug would work fine as a blockoff plate though.


hows yours connected?

ask for pic's.lol

[Joay]

i've noticed ever since i put my moroso catch can on that my oil always looks clean on the dipstick. even right before i change it. it never gets really dirty. PCV systems are disgusting things.
This is true. Homeboy's oil is pristine (of course it's really nice oil).

[mephi]

If you go with a vacume type system you want to pull vacume pre-throttle body.

Carbed, so no pre-throttle vacuum. I'm just really interested in getting all of the nasties out of the oil. I'm kind of starting to suspect that the PCV system is contributing to my smoking issues.

Also, when I hook the hose up, I am hooking it up to where the PCV valve goes, and not the vacuum port that plugs onto the PCV valve, right? I would think that just running it to the PCV vacuum port would cause a major vacuum leak and a high idle, and in my case probably a no run issue.

[89T]

Carbed, so no pre-throttle vacuum. I'm just really interested in getting all of the nasties out of the oil. I'm kind of starting to suspect that the PCV system is contributing to my smoking issues.

Also, when I hook the hose up, I am hooking it up to where the PCV valve goes, and not the vacuum port that plugs onto the PCV valve, right? I would think that just running it to the PCV vacuum port would cause a major vacuum leak and a high idle, and in my case probably a no run issue.

you could run a vented can, or if you wanted to use the stock vacuum port you will need a pcv valve. If you don't use one you'll introduce a huge vacuum leak.

you're only other option would be a slash cut tube in the exhaust with a check valve. summitracing.com has a slash cut kit.

[Rendon LX-i]

Just wanted to show you i got er dONE BRO lol

http://i728.photobucket.com/albums/ww290/Rendonlxi/101_1920.jpg
http://i728.photobucket.com/albums/ww290/Rendonlxi/101_1921.jpg

[mephi]

Just wanted to show you i got er dONE BRO lol

So you just disconnected the PCV valve and left the black oil drain back box thing on the back of the engine on or plugged it?

[Rendon LX-i]

no i thats why i have the silver can still connected

[89T]

looks good. now take it off and paint it to match the car.
If you wanted to you could add another fitting for the crank case.

[89T]

rendon, how would you rate it to make? 1-5.... 1 easy 5 hard?

['A20A3']

89T - yes i did notice a increase in fuel mileage. but the oil staying cleaner longer made me more happy than the mpg haha

my can is vented, it's run from the metal hose line off the back of the oil pan(the one that used to have the little rubber hose on it that went to the black box) up to the catch can. i left the black box on the motor, but its been cleaned out with gumcutter as to prevent any of that nasty old sludge to come out all over the place. the only thing that really pisses me off, is that the fitting coming off the oil pan is at such a shitty angle for running a line. theres little clearance from the driver side axle. it took me 2 hose clamps(tightened to DEATH) and a bunch of "persuasion" to make it leak free.

i still need to drill a extra hole in it so i can run the line from my vlave cover to it as well. i don't want to recirculate any of this shit anymore. it's not beneficial to the motor. period.

['A20A3']

This is true. Homeboy's oil is pristine (of course it's really nice oil).


the witness! Amsoil +1 :thumbup:

[Tdurr]

89T - yes i did notice a increase in fuel mileage. but the oil staying cleaner longer made me more happy than the mpg haha

my can is vented, it's run from the metal hose line off the back of the oil pan(the one that used to have the little rubber hose on it that went to the black box) up to the catch can. i left the black box on the motor, but its been cleaned out with gumcutter as to prevent any of that nasty old sludge to come out all over the place. the only thing that really pisses me off, is that the fitting coming off the oil pan is at such a shitty angle for running a line. theres little clearance from the driver side axle. it took me 2 hose clamps(tightened to DEATH) and a bunch of "persuasion" to make it leak free.

i still need to drill a extra hole in it so i can run the line from my vlave cover to it as well. i don't want to recirculate any of this shit anymore. it's not beneficial to the motor. period.

all i needed to know. Ill be doing this soon.

[Pico]

I have a couple empty cylinders laying around. I need to get off my ass make one and do my Vac removal at the same time.
And than figure out how to hook up the catch can

['A20A3']

rendon, am i crazy or is your car missing the IACV on the intake manifold?

[russiankid]

I have clean oil with stock stuff.:flash:

['A20A3']

all i needed to know. Ill be doing this soon.

you don't have to worry about oil getting up to the can either. mount the can up high, and as far away as possible. mines on the firewall. and i've never had anything come out the drain when i open it.

[89T]

I have a couple empty cylinders laying around. I need to get off my ass make one and do my Vac removal at the same time.
And than figure out how to hook up the catch can

we will be here when you'r ready.:rockon:

[Tdurr]

^^ sweet. i prob wouldnt even put a drain. But i do plan on making something cool for it haha. p.s. u have a pic of urs on here?

['A20A3']

http://img268.imageshack.us/img268/1853/antipcv.jpg

it's the only pic i have right now. but you can see the crazy angle i had to run the line, just so i could not get in the way of the axle, and not kink the line going to the can. it kinda loops around and gently sits on top of the master cylinder cap.

[Tdurr]

well damn thats a bitch. might just have the hose cut and re-welded when i tap the oil pan...

['A20A3']

ehh..it's not that bad.

but if you have the tools and resources and time, then remove the pan, baffle it, and re-do the line for the can, and then re-install it.

[Civic Accord Honda]

ah so u dont have teh return line and just capped the manifold right? thats the way ima hook mine up

[Rendon LX-i]

looks good. now take it off and paint it to match the car.
If you wanted to you could add another fitting for the crank case.ti

Yeah i have to do that...ill prolly do it black...i dont like mix match shit lol


rendon, how would you rate it to make? 1-5.... 1 easy 5 hard?

Well for me it was easy...as long you have a step bit which was 14 bucks and a the right tools...i had a boring bit and a vise....i didnt have a flaring to but i used the boring bit to smooth it out...i say a 2. maybe 3 but if you not skilled in making nothing maybe a 5...But i know for me and you it was a 1 lol

Thanks once again bro for making a such legit catch can. ANd now i dont have to worry as much lol...looks alot better the the nos status can.

[Rendon LX-i]

rendon, am i crazy or is your car missing the IACV on the intake manifold?

Took that shit off yo...didnt make a difference but a crap start up in the morning when its cold...but takes a couple of taps and shes at 2 at start up lol

[89T]

ti

Yeah i have to do that...ill prolly do it black...i don't like mix match shit lol



Well for me it was easy...as long you have a step bit which was 14 bucks and a the right tools...i had a boring bit and a vise....i didn't have a flaring to but i used the boring bit to smooth it out...i say a 2. maybe 3 but if you not skilled in making nothing maybe a 5...But i know for me and you it was a 1 lol

Thanks once again bro for making a such legit catch can. And now i don't have to worry as much lol...looks allot better the the nos status can.

:cheers:
let me know how it works for you, mine has been working fine so far.


This has turned out to be a pretty good Thread.

[Rendon LX-i]

I have a couple empty cylinders laying around. I need to get off my ass make one and do my Vac removal at the same time.
And than figure out how to hook up the catch can

I would do it pico...more legit setup. Isnt that hard at all

['A20A3']

this is a good thread. +1

[Tdurr]

^^
x2

[import racer]

So can I run one to the oil pan and one to valve cover or won't that work.

[Civic Accord Honda]

yay i just got done making one!!

[Rendon LX-i]

So can I run one to the oil pan and one to valve cover or won't that work.

No. LOL...you have to have a catch can if you want to do that

[89T]

what i think he meant was run one line from the catch can to vc and the other to the black box or tube.


the answer :yes you can.

[89T]

yay i just got done making one!!
pic?

[Rendon LX-i]

x2

[Civic Accord Honda]

just installed mine and have a question.. do i keep the pcv valve? or do i just remove it and run the line straight to the box.

and the epoxy did not get along with my paint and the paint chiped off the in aera.. but there are no leaks i vac tested the can lol ima put some jb weld around the bung anyway though when i add another one for the valve cover (currently have the valve cover ran in to the intake) and yes i do need a vaccum cap for the manifold will get one tomarrow

http://s242.photobucket.com/albums/ff103/Dark_Accord/1991-Honda-Civic-DX/catch-can-y0/


EDIT:
top 4 pics are the finished pics for the night

and i decided to run the line from the oil separator straight to the catch can without pcv valve... and im going to add another bung to the catch can and add the valve cover line to it, also going to get some vac caps since the hoses with the bolt in it are gay lol

[Rendon LX-i]

you can remove it bro....looks hella good.

I went for a drive and almost got high and why cuz my gurl wouldnt open her damn window...i hit full boost and i get some smoke not alot but some and im like fuck i started smelling it so after awhile im like shit...SO i open the window and no more smelly im like thank go...then she rolls the bitch back up lol...wtf.

Anywho it works...didnt catch much..you see some but not shit ....very affective for sure...alot better then my old setup.

[89T]

good job CAH.

[Civic Accord Honda]

Thanks :D

[LX-incredible]

just installed mine and have a question.. do i keep the pcv valve? or do i just remove it and run the line straight to the box.

and the epoxy did not get along with my paint and the paint chiped off the in aera.. but there are no leaks i vac tested the can lol ima put some jb weld around the bung anyway though when i add another one for the valve cover (currently have the valve cover ran in to the intake) and yes i do need a vaccum cap for the manifold will get one tomarrow

http://s242.photobucket.com/albums/ff103/Dark_Accord/1991-Honda-Civic-DX/catch-can-y0/


EDIT:
top 4 pics are the finished pics for the night

and i decided to run the line from the oil separator straight to the catch can without pcv valve... and im going to add another bung to the catch can and add the valve cover line to it, also going to get some vac caps since the hoses with the bolt in it are gay lol

Disappointing... I was expecting a pringles can.

[labeledsk8r]

Disappointing... I was expecting a pringles can.

:rofl::rofl:


almost bought everytihng to make a metal one today... but kinda have been feeling let down on my car so dunno, diy looks good though

[Civic Accord Honda]

Disappointing... I was expecting a pringles can.

oh believe me.. i thought about it.. but cardboard can + oil = phail maybe a lays stax can later on?

[Tdurr]

lulz im gonna be making one outta a seafoam can soon. Then upgrading to a crown royal bottle :D

[89T]

well in CAH's defense, I was kinda relived that he used that bottle.
I was afraid he was going to blow him self up with the propane bottle.

CAH when you up grade go with the large rockstar can,it already has a large opening for the larger filter.

[89T]

Rendon did you drill the hole just for the fitting or did you drill extra holes in the baffle too.

If you guy's are woundering what i am talking about go here.
http://www.3geez.com/forum/showthread.php?t=69021

[Rendon LX-i]

No....but i did some really hard boosting and lost like 1/2 quart...in 3 hours of driving lol....SHIT WORKED AWESOME thou. i prolly have some blow by issues...but o well...after the meet then its tear down time

[Civic Accord Honda]

well in CAH's defense, I was kinda relived that he used that bottle.
I was afraid he was going to blow him self up with the propane bottle.

CAH when you up grade go with the large rockstar can,it already has a large opening for the larger filter.

haha yeah i was to broke to buy anything and was kinda scared of the propane bottle haha..

and i have one of the big monster cans but there so thin and dent so easily, i think im going to use metal soap dispenser or something when i make another one

[89T]

haha yeah i was to broke to buy anything and was kinda scared of the propane bottle haha..

and i have one of the big monster cans but there so thin and dent so easily, i think im going to use metal soap dispenser or something when i make another one

haha, what ever works right.
maybe if you are really nice to Rendon, he might make you one.

No....but i did some really hard boosting and lost like 1/2 quart...in 3 hours of driving lol....SHIT WORKED AWESOME thou. i prolly have some blow by issues...but o well...after the meet then its tear down time

did it smell like fuel?
better to loose 1/2 a quart in the can than on or in you're engine.
edit: you put a baffel between those holes and the new fitting right?

[Rendon LX-i]

NO...lol...i was woundering how do you did you do that..it was more oil but you can smell the gas...motor runs good. i just put it back in it looked clean...K well im going to have to put a baffle...so how did you do it....Runs great otherwise..

Show me how you did it. Cause i jb welded my fitting in for a good seal...i dont want to take it out LOL.

Now that im thinking i shouldnt of put that oil in there...Well its my first time so ill wont do it next time.

[Rendon LX-i]

Also...My fitting is right next to the holes...so its not in like yours. IM assuming you put it where under the baffle...What a fool. I owell. I fucked up.

[89T]

so it does not look like this.
http://img32.imageshack.us/img32/6473/may240001.jpg (http://img32.imageshack.us/my.php?image=may240001.jpg)http://img32.imageshack.us/img32/4695/may240004.jpg (http://img32.imageshack.us/my.php?image=may240004.jpg)

[89T]

http://www.3geez.com/forum/showpost.php?p=953495&postcount=7

here is the post with the baffle.

I hope you have a spare v/c.

[89T]

page 1 post 1 has been updated to include a link that i feel is a must read, when adding a second fitting.

[Civic Accord Honda]

k i finished mine today.. found some hose and another fitting in a box and ran the valve cover to the can. got about 120 miles since i did the 1 line and there was no oil in it yet... but i also noticed that my exhuast tip was not black :D

http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff103/Dark_Accord/1991-Honda-Civic-DX/catch-can-y0/finished/finishedcatchcanandtrans011.jpg
http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff103/Dark_Accord/1991-Honda-Civic-DX/catch-can-y0/finished/finishedcatchcanandtrans012.jpg

[Rendon LX-i]

nice cah very nice.

YA i do but i i would have to polish it again and its alot of work....so idk. alot of v/c are just tap and theres no baffle...so wtf.

[Rendon LX-i]

So is this bad to have it this way.

[Rendon LX-i]

Well i was doing some researching. And doesnt say you have to tap it under the baffle...guys just put a fitting where ever....so i guess its fine...ill just have to put up with the oil

LOL...ill have to tap my other valve cover..GAYNESS. so can you give a close pic...So ill have to drill a hole where the slant on the valve cover...FUCK if i would of know i would of done it the first time...Thats why im loosing so much oil.

[89T]

Well i was doing some researching. And doesn't say you have to tap it under the baffle...guys just put a fitting where ever....so i guess its fine...ill just have to put up with the oil

LOL...ill have to tap my other valve cover..GAYNESS. so can you give a close pic...So ill have to drill a hole where the slant on the valve cover...FUCK if i would of know i would of done it the first time...Thats why I'm loosing so much oil.

rendon ,just because everybody else taps them wherever they want, it doesn't make them right.

what you are trying to catch is the mist and vapors and not the actual oil being slung around by the rockers.

I'll get you a pic in a few...

what do you need?(PIC)

[Tdurr]

hmm... think im gonna go grab some fitting from ace hardware tomorrow...

[89T]

hmm... think I'm gonna go grab some fitting from ace hardware tomorrow...

If you have any questions while you are making it feel free to ask.
I don't mind!

[89T]

here you go bro!
http://img188.imageshack.us/img188/8315/jun070003.jpg (http://img188.imageshack.us/my.php?image=jun070003.jpg)http://img188.imageshack.us/img188/165/jun070004.jpg (http://img188.imageshack.us/my.php?image=jun070004.jpg)http://img188.imageshack.us/img188/2240/jun070005.jpg (http://img188.imageshack.us/my.php?image=jun070005.jpg)

[Rendon LX-i]

Umm...k thats good enought...ill go buy one today.

[Tdurr]

If you have any questions while you are making it feel free to ask.
I don't mind!

dont think ill be scared! haha. but i might have some questions bout a safc soo yea... dono if ur any good with that stuff.

[Rendon LX-i]

here you go bro!
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Problem....i went to every fucking store even home depo and i couldnt find teh slip/threaded fitting...i went to autozone and some other places...they had some but in was a heater fitting...didnt have the 1/2 inch one...SO im pissed all i need is one so i can polish the other one and tap it again.

WHere did you get yours? did you ask in the counter? i asked they where like HUH:nuts: SO im pissed...the one i got has a 1/2 in barb which is way to big for...i need like a 3/8 barb.

[89T]

I am using the 1/2" coolant/heater fitting, slip by thread.
I got it at advanced auto parts. they are not over the counter.

[Rendon LX-i]

umm...so your using half inch barb...that big. wont fit the part where you drill in the baffle. so say i drill it on top of the baffle its to big of a hole

[89T]

what do you mean too big of a hole?

if you are worried you can test drill on the old v/c.
the drill bit will remove alittle bit of the material from the bottom of the v/c top section but not much at all.
what i did is center the drill bit onto the slanted section at 90 degrees. started the hole then rolled the drill to level with the top of the valve cover. use a smaller bit for a pilot.
drill in steps,so if there is an alignment issue you can address it.

[Rendon LX-i]

sounds good

[89T]

hey man don't drill anything till tomorrow evening.
ill see if i have another fitting,so i can post a pic of it.

[Rendon LX-i]

I bought the perfect fitting so who ever is doing this should get this

PART # NTH90540

male to female
Hose I.D. 1/2 HOST
Therea size 1/4

I got the fittign where the GOOD STUFF is lol

[89T]

lets see what you got.

[Rendon LX-i]

WELL my cam broke LOL..im gettiing a new one and better next week...a 10mp and all the goodies from bestbuy....

GOT the other valve cover polished and tapped the right way...i added some holes on the other side like you did....SO i have to jb weld the fitting just for a good seal. The fitting its threaded in but im doing this just to cover the edges.

Illl snap some pics guys lol...o i can with my phone LOL DUH...ill shot some crappy ones

[labeledsk8r]

**cough cough** not finished

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y126/labeledsk8r/testfited.jpg

[Rendon LX-i]

haha...thats sweet

here you got bro

http://i728.photobucket.com/albums/ww290/Rendonlxi/0609_205716.jpg
http://i728.photobucket.com/albums/ww290/Rendonlxi/0609_205738.jpg

[Tdurr]

rendon resize those please!!

and labeledsk8r, are those air fittings???? lol

[Rendon LX-i]

LOL....i cant

[labeledsk8r]

and labeledsk8r, are those air fittings???? lol

yes yes they are haahah there still the size needed for the hoseing and only cost 99 cents each compared to the barbed fittings for 4.99 each, cost of build so far

1/16th of an inch thick alum can free
3 air fittings 99 cents each 2.97
breather filter 9.99 minus 10.50 store credit basicly free
jb weld 4.58 with discount
black paint to paint fitings/jb 92 cents with discount

cost of build so far 8.47

still working on the bracketing but i still have alot of leftover aluminum stock from other projects

[A18A]

instead of having a filter on it, can i run a hose into the stock air intake box? or will that be fail? i wanna keep costs at around $0 which is why i ask lol :)

[Rendon LX-i]

if its a sealed catch can then yes

['A20A3']

doing performance modifications while trying to spend $0 usually equals fail hahah

[89T]

rendon did you get it going?

[Rendon LX-i]

^^^ yes sir...SOOOOOOOO much better thanks man your the best....I get alittle oil but damn not a half court lol

[89T]

**cough cough** not finished

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y126/labeledsk8r/testfited.jpg
now thats pretty cool.

^^^ yes sir...SOOOOOOOO much better thanks man your the best....I get alittle oil but damn not a half court lol
great, i am glad you got that done.

[Civic Accord Honda]

is smoke supposed to be coming out of the catch can from the pcv and valve cover lines? today i opened the hood with it running after a 100mile trip to find smoke coming out of it and when i took the cap off there was still no oil in the catch can after 1000+ miles of driving around with it on so just wanted to ask becuase im confused

[Civic Accord Honda]

nvm googled and turns out its normal w00t w000t

edit: erm maybe not im confused now.. some people are saying its normal others are saying its internal problems... it looks somewhat like exhuast smoke a greyish color


edit 2:
it looks like this when i rev her up
http://s105.photobucket.com/albums/m232/peasly23/?action=view&current=RunningEngine2.flv
but ALOT lighter at idle but still some... now whats werid is ive never noticed this before and my car lost some power today going up a big hill .. also im runing rich as a pig

[import racer]

So is it one hose to the black box and one to valve cover from catch can,or is it both hoses to the valve cover after adding another nipple?I want to run a vented catch can.And what do i do with the pcv valve.Thanks

[Rendon LX-i]

Cah its normal bro. dont worry

[import racer]

Can anyone answere me please on the right way to do this.

[Tdurr]

So is it one hose to the black box and one to valve cover from catch can,or is it both hoses to the valve cover after addubg another nipple?I want to run a vented catch can.And what do i do with the pcv valve.Thanks


you can take the valve outta the black box, or leave it.

But you run one line to the valve cover, one to the black box and both go to the vented catch can.

OR

you run one line to the vc, one to the black box, and one from the catch can to the intake with no vent filter.

[import racer]

Thank you,the valve is in the black box behind the motor with the hose attached to the oil pan .thats what your talking about right.

[import racer]

What do i do with the pcv opening and seperator hose connections ,do i have to plug them or can i just leave them alone.

[import racer]

bump!

[89T]

ttt

[import racer]

nevermind.

[Rendon LX-i]

Opp

[89T]

What do i do with the pcv opening and seperator hose connections ,do i have to plug them or can i just leave them alone.
ok from what i gather you are going with a vented catch can.
remove the hose from the valve cover and extend it to the vented catch can. plug the port on the other end.
do the same with the black box.....

sorry for not keeping up with this thread.

[Tdurr]

to be honest i left the box on, and removed the hose from it. it doesnt leak on anything. i cleaned it out with gumcutter. love that stuff. i imagine a freeze plug would work fine as a blockoff plate though.


mine leaks. its really annoying. I think all my pressure is spraying outta the bottom hose. So what im thinking is that the bottom is the oil return to the pan once it gets separated. i wanna plug where the black box goes. anyone know what size the hole on the block is? I need a freeze plug for it lol.

[89T]

you can remove it bro....looks hella good.

I went for a drive and almost got high and why cuz my gurl wouldnt open her damn window...i hit full boost and i get some smoke not alot but some and im like fuck i started smelling it so after awhile im like shit...SO i open the window and no more smelly im like thank go...then she rolls the bitch back up lol...wtf.

Anywho it works...didnt catch much..you see some but not shit ....very affective for sure...alot better then my old setup.

:lol:

[Rendon LX-i]

I think that was a blow by issue heheh

[import racer]

Can you ditch the black breather box and hook it to the oil pan or not.

[89T]

I did And it seems to be working well.

[import racer]

Did you weld on a smaller tube or did you use bigger hose.

[89T]

I think i used a 3/4' hose.(?)
It's been a minute and I have not put it back on yet.

[Tdurr]

cool no one answer my question... :(

[89T]

id say close to 1 inch.

[Civic Accord Honda]

i need to make cah catch can part 2! gonna go with a sealed one this time and run it to the intake manifold need one pretty bad on the accord getting a shit ton of oil in my intake and intake manifold

http://www.ej8squad.com/thread-9184.html
good idea of what my next one will be like :thumbup: except the pcv line will also be connected and the return line will be ran to intake manifold

[import racer]

Hey guys if i remove the breather box,what do you use to plug the hole in the block?

[89T]

freeze plug.

[import racer]

Anyone know what size.

[89T]

I'll let you know.

[gfrg88]

sticky please!

[89T]

I've tried.

[gfrg88]

Sticky damnit!!!! :rant:

[import racer]

So when I do mine I think I'm just gonna run hose from valve cover to catch can and hose from pcv valve to catch can with a breather on top.

[gfrg88]

Still confused on the black box Plumbing and shit...

[89T]

why?

[gfrg88]

Cause Ive never paid at5ntuon to it lol.. doesn't one line go back to oil pan?

[Tdurr]

Yea, one line goes to the oil pain, it's the drain back for the stock "catch-box" u can remove it and run a line from the block to an aftermarket catch can and plug off the return on the oil pan if u want.

Thats what I understood from looking this up when I was originally setting up my turbo stuff.

[vteckiller]

Why not just use a power steering resevore? or what ever its called... its already got a hole in the bottom. and two on the sides.. and a lid for the filter.. and its already got a built on bracket.. and.. its free.. comes with the car.. LOL? work yes or no?

[gfrg88]

Yea, one line goes to the oil pain, it's the drain back for the stock "catch-box" u can remove it and run a line from the block to an aftermarket catch can and plug off the return on the oil pan if u want.

Thats what I understood from looking this up when I was originally setting up my turbo stuff.

So plug the return line. gotcha. that's where I was lost. :thumbup:

[89T]

Sorry Gio. I havent felt like posting much lately. Tim got you lined out pretty good.

[89T]

Bump for a possible how to.

[Rendon LX-i]

Jerry i just redid my catch can setup using the same Designed(same one i had on my boosted a20). Only thing i did was took off the Bottom drain and added a 10AN fitting. but i cut it down alittle so oil can return to my pan. Look at my pic at my build thread. Ill have to post a pic of it redone.

[89T]

I'll take a look at it.

[89T]

Bump

[redneck]

this has to be one of the most simple but effective can iv seen. Great job!! there will be one of these on my hatch and just may make it to the sedan.

[CzEcHy]

Question.

Onn a can with 3 openings, can I run the two bottom openings to the valve cover and pcv valve.

Woth the top opening to the air intake tube for vacuum? With a filler in the can such as scotch padding to grab oil.


Seems like aan easy way to hook it up while still keeping oil out of the intake.

[89T]

Sure, that sounds like it will work. Although the pcv should see vacuum all the time. Anyone want to chime in on the pcv.

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[CzEcHy]

Well it was the intake or the existing pcv vac port for both. Either one should work.

[89T]

for some reason it seems like your response changed. Either way, I would take the vacuum off of the cai. There is no reason to pull a vacuum on the crank case at idle. Besides if you were to just pull vacuum off of the pcv port without a pcv in place it will act like a huge vacuum leak.

[CzEcHy]

Lol UIm going to make an ms paint view of what I mean.

Pcv valve would still be in place fyi, catch can is just a filter between pcv/crankcase and intake manifold. Everyything else stays the same