82 Accord EX Hatchback (European version)

[eduardoflor]

Hey there, my name is Eduardo and im form Portugal.
Recently i have bought a Accord Hatchback made in 1982, sold in Belgium and imported to Portugal in 1984.
This car was wrecked and rusted, the previous owner didnt care to much about him, so i made a ridiculus lower offer and he acepted. The same day the Accord came to the garage to make company to my Audi 80 GL from 1983
The car on the first trip to the countryside:
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[eduardoflor]

Now im starting to fix basic things.
One of the lower arms must be changed, but i cant seem to find the exact part that will fit in this model.
The brakes must be revised
Need A LOT of bodywork
Needs new shock absorbers
Nees a lot of love and attention :D

[2ndGenGuy]

Nice car! Great pics too! :welcome: Can't wait to see progress pics! Sounds like it has gone into some good hands!

[Civic Accord Honda]

Very nice car! i had a 82 accord hatch in same color as my first car!

[Hazwan]

:welcome: and nice car you got there!

[eduardoflor]

Thanks for all the welcomes!
I have a question
The Control Arm for my accord is OEM number 51350-SA5-013, but in Honda they tell me that need to be replaced by 51350-SA5-505, because they dont know if the original part will fit! that just stupid.
What do you think?

[2ndGenGuy]

Well maybe it's a parts difference between US and European cars... Because what I see here is that part number 505 has no vehicle application:

http://www.hondapartsnow.com/genuine/honda~arm~51350-SA5-505.html

But part 013 fits the 82 Accord.

http://www.hondapartsnow.com/genuine/honda~arm~51350-SA5-013.html

I would go with what the dealer suggests. I'm amazed they can actually get them to be honest. Worst case, just go aftermarket, since they're sold with new balljoints. You can probably get some high-quality aftermarket parts from a local parts store...

[eduardoflor]

The problem is at the dealer " THIS PART IS NO LONGER AVAILABLE".
I am going for this one on ebay, it must fit on the accord, since on the Honda supliers programs stated that the part was the same. Its no OEM, but the real one would cost me 4 times more.

http://images2.carpartsdiscount.com/auto/archive/pictures/46242/300/1/P/28AC8DD/control_arm_front_lower_right.jpg

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=270407632255&ssPageName=ADME:X:AAQ:MOTORS:1123

[accord83]

Eduardo ,this one appears to claim to fit either side, is a JDM Euro spec suspension the same as USA?

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/TRACK-CONTROL-TRAILING-ARM-LOWER-WISHBONE-ACCORD-78-83_W0QQitemZ270402591756QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Cars Parts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM?hash=item3ef5401c0c&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=65%3A10%7C66%3A2%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318%7 C301%3A1%7C293%3A1%7C294%3A50

John.

[2ndGenGuy]

Be careful buying these online. The fitment issues that I've run into with control arms have forced me to return at least one set which was supposed to fit, but was either mis-labeled or was such poor quality, I couldn't put them on my car. I'd hate to see you buy one off e-bay and have to eat the cost of returning it..

[2ndGenGuy]

Eduardo ,this one appears to claim to fit either side, is a JDM Euro spec suspension the same as USA?

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/TRACK-CONTROL-TRAILING-ARM-LOWER-WISHBONE-ACCORD-78-83_W0QQitemZ270402591756QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Cars Parts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM?hash=item3ef5401c0c&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=65%3A10%7C66%3A2%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318%7 C301%3A1%7C293%3A1%7C294%3A50

John.

I am going to say that is not the right control arm. I don't think that the arm is the same from 78-82. Maybe similar, but not the same. The picture on that item doesn't look right either. I would stay away for sure. There are no provisions to bolt your sway bars to. That might fit either side on the 78-81 Accords (maybe there are some 1g Accords sold as 82's in the UK), because the sway bars are bolted to the radius rod on the 1g instead of the control arm like on the 2g.

[eduardoflor]

Eduardo ,this one appears to claim to fit either side, is a JDM Euro spec suspension the same as USA?

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/TRACK-CONTROL-TRAILING-ARM-LOWER-WISHBONE-ACCORD-78-83_W0QQitemZ270402591756QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Cars Parts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM?hash=item3ef5401c0c&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=65%3A10%7C66%3A2%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318%7 C301%3A1%7C293%3A1%7C294%3A50

John.

Thanks for the help, but that one seems so diferent from the one i have on the accord

[eduardoflor]

Be careful buying these online. The fitment issues that I've run into with control arms have forced me to return at least one set which was supposed to fit, but was either mis-labeled or was such poor quality, I couldn't put them on my car. I'd hate to see you buy one off e-bay and have to eat the cost of returning it..

This scenario doesnt seem prety to me, i've been strugling with this problem for a week with the car stoped on the garage waiting for the arm.
The problem i have its with the ball joint, aperently it not detachable from the arm, and i have the new ball joint with me!

[accord83]

Just been out to the workshop to get my Honda parts book,
front lower arm complete
right, 51350-SA5-000
left, 51360-SA5-000

This is an original Honda book for the Gen JDM/euro spec printed 10.10.1981. But I think Honda changed part numbers later.
Most dealerships will probably be on the new system, not the original numbers

[2ndGenGuy]

This scenario doesnt seem prety to me, i've been strugling with this problem for a week with the car stoped on the garage waiting for the arm.
The problem i have its with the ball joint, aperently it not detachable from the arm, and i have the new ball joint with me!

Wow, not sure how you got a ball joint, but you are right it doesn't separate from the arm. When you buy the ball joint, it comes with the control arm. You probably got a balljoint for a 3gee Accord.

[eduardoflor]

Just been out to the workshop to get my Honda parts book,
front lower arm complete
right, 51350-SA5-000
left, 51360-SA5-000

This is an original Honda book for the Gen JDM/euro spec printed 10.10.1981. But I think Honda changed part numbers later.
Most dealerships will probably be on the new system, not the original numbers

Thanks for the info :flash:
ANy clue about the ball joint?

[2ndGenGuy]

Honda Part 51350-SA5-000
Genuine Honda ARM, R. FR. (LOWER)

Replaced By:
51350-SA5-013

----------------------------------------------------

Honda Part 51360-SA5-000
Genuine Honda ARM, L. FR. (LOWER)

Replaced By:
51360-SA5-505

----------------------------------------------------

Honda Part 51360-SA5-013
Genuine Honda ARM, L. FR. (LOWER)

Replaced By:
51360-SA5-505


Serious weirdness going on. Honda doesn't even know appropriate parts fitments, I don't think.

[eduardoflor]

Wow, not sure how you got a ball joint, but you are right it doesn't separate from the arm. When you buy the ball joint, it comes with the control arm. You probably got a balljoint for a 3gee Accord.

Yes, you are right, its for a 3gee accord.
This is messed up

[eduardoflor]

By the way, thanks to all for the help.
U guys rock around here!

[accord83]

Eduardo, ball joint and arm are all one component, Rubber boot (called 'seat suspension ball') is part no 51225-671-003, and the circlip is 53548-611-003

My epc shows both numbers for 1983

Right 51350-SA5-000
51350-SA5-013

Left 51360-SA5-000
51360-SA5- 013

Also it lists for 1984

Right 51350-SA5-020

Left 51360-SA5-020

Damned Honda's!!!
John.

[Ichiban]

I'm thinking that the picture below is the correct part. The early 2gens used an L-shaped bracket to mount the sway bar to the LCA, which is the 2 lower holes you see. The two upper holes are for the trailing/radius rod.

In American market, the 82-83 parts are common to each other, while the 84-85 parts differ from previous years. The track width grew 15mm, which slightly changed the angle of the radius rods mounting holes, and the system for attaching the sway bar was revised. 76-81 models clamped the sway bar from the front directly to the radius rods, and are completely different.

I have seen some LCA's advertised as fitting 82-85, which makes me question whether they enlarged the radius rod holes to accommodate both styles, or are simply incorrectly advertised.

[2ndGenGuy]

Good question as to whether they're mislabeled or not. But The 83 Accord I took apart had control arms that looked identical to my 84. I doubt the measurements were the same, but if you didn't see them side by side, you'd swear they were the same... Maybe they changed from 82 to 83. I would not be shocked.

[eduardoflor]

I ordered the arm, lets see how it goes.
Quite cheap, a final price of 60$ inclunding the shiping to Portugal.

[2ndGenGuy]

Damn good price! Good luck! :)

[eduardoflor]

Today its rust day.:chainsaw: Pics later

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aZ1eYeWFkO4

[eduardoflor]

Have in mind that im new at this things, it is not perfect but without trying, experience cant be achived. Im doing my best
The job isnt finished, tomorrow is another day
Cancer n1

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Cancer n2

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cancer n3

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cancer n4 and 5

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[2ndGenGuy]

Does that stuff you laid down have any anti-corrosion properties to it? You might want to spray down some etch primer or something before you bog over it...

[eduardoflor]

Does that stuff you laid down have any anti-corrosion properties to it? You might want to spray down some etch primer or something before you bog over it...

I've puted a primer befores pasting it :)

[eduardoflor]

Cancer n1 is dead! :kekeke:

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[2ndGenGuy]

Good work! Looks like new! :D

[eduardoflor]

Good work! Looks like new! :D

Thanks! Motip Sprays rules! :thumbup:

[eduardoflor]

Today when i got back to the accord i didint like he results, so i do it all again, this time with better results.

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Cancer n2 its done but i can do better.

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4 and 5 are dead aswell

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[pax80a]

Hi Eduardo, I'm portuguese too and i'm looking for a front corner light for my honda accord ex sedan 85. maybe you could help me? you have a nice car there!

[chuck d]

I am so used to looking at my 2nd gen HB, that that hatch on yours looks euro cool. And those headlights are Sweet !!!

Nice ride, good luck !!!

[Tomisimo]

I have to worn you about your rust repairs.. I bout my car wit the same rust treatment un rear fenders and few other places, you know what? the rusting never stopped and it looks ugly now.. I recomend to do it properly with welding..
But overall your car looks good!!

[denhonda]

I have to worn you about your rust repairs.. I bout my car wit the same rust treatment un rear fenders and few other places, you know what? the rusting never stopped and it looks ugly now.. I recomend to do it properly with welding..
But overall your car looks good!!

Wise words... the rust never really stops once it's there!

I'm needing to redo bits of my '82 once it's back on the road... needin to sort a couple of areas of paint where the shade is off so it'll get done then.

There's a few products made by Hammerite... one called Kurust that acts as a rust killer/barrier and the rust struggles to get through once applied; another is Hammerite No 1 Rust Beater and it's an all in one rust killer & primer. I fiberglassed a hole in my '85 EX rear quarter over 10 years ago, used this special paint & the rust round the repair has never come back through! The car is spares only now & is stored in damp conditions which is saying something.

You get good weather in Portugal so whatever repairs you do will last longer, so maybe do a more permanent repair next time... otherwise nice Hatch & photos!

[eduardoflor]

Its been a while but i back.
As you guys said, the rain season started and its becoming rusted again :uh:
No surprises there, the areas getting rusted again are the ones i did not use fiber glass, i was an idiot. The others treated with the rust converter and with fibber glass are good and healthy.
Few days ago i found a pool in my trunck, reason? The hole to where the water should drain was closed, and im still trying to find out where did the water came from, for this i had to dismount all the trunk and the rear passengers seats and side panels, and im going to take the car to a friend garage and literally flood it :nuts:
The car MOT expired, since i was not able to fix the headlight and the brake problems ( brakes got stuck after heating). I got the new headlight, bought on ebay for 1 dollar :rofl: original headlight by bosch.
Also bought the rear cylinders, because it was breaking less 60% from one of the sides, and im waiting for the arrival of the brake master cylinder, bought in the US at Car parts Discount (GOTTA LOVE THIS FELLAS)

Another changes:
New exhaust and new mudflaps, since it was required to pass at the MOT.
More news soon.

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[2ndGenGuy]

Wow that is a nice looking Bosch unit. I didn't realize they made the housings. The pair I have are made my Stanley. I thought they were just the ones who made all Honda's OEM lighting. Pretty nice buy!

I also see the Concept Honda Accord hatchback picture on your desk there! :)

[JDM 3g Racer]

Wow great work on the rust repair , My 86 has some pretty bad rust on the rockers and rear panels that i need to fix before i repaint it

[eduardoflor]

Wow that is a nice looking Bosch unit. I didn't realize they made the housings. The pair I have are made my Stanley. I thought they were just the ones who made all Honda's OEM lighting. Pretty nice buy!

I also see the Concept Honda Accord hatchback picture on your desk there! :)

Thanks fellas, about the headlight, this was the answer i got from Honda in Portugal
"There are 2 brands which make the Accord headlight, Stanley and Bosch, the difference its that the Stanley glass of the headlight its sealed, so it can not be changed if brakes, the Bosch its detachable and changeable. For the Stanley the price its 250 dollars, for the Bosch glass part of the headlight its 80 dollars."

[eduardoflor]

its for sale, yesterday i was trying to find out a water leak that lead to the trunk, making a pool. Removed the trunk and side panels...find out that the B pillar from the right side its wroten and almost spliting in 2, ans both the A pillars are in very bad shape...very sad right now. I need a car to ride all days, a daily driver and in this condition its not safe...anyway, in this week i will take to the some garage or shop to see how much it will cost me to fix this...
Start of a sad Christmas :(

[2ndGenGuy]

:(

[eduardoflor]

500 dollars to fix pillar B, sorry...thats to much for me.

[2ndGenGuy]

Understandable. Another 2gee in your future? :D

[eduardoflor]

Who knows! The gee its going to stay until someone buy it, if no one takes it, it will wait till im rich enough to fix it. I do love this ride. Deep inside i dont wanna sell it.
Im going to another continent now, gona buy a Audi 80 GTE from 86, 1800/115 cv to make company to the Audi 80 GL from 1983.

http://i431.photobucket.com/albums/qq32/Eimintasmotoras/Audi_80_GTE/Audi_80_GTE_2009_05_17_004.jpg

[2ndGenGuy]

That's a nice ride! It reminds me of the Audi 4000 that's been in the family since 1985, and will one day be mine. :)

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3138/2827166496_7f18b406d9.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/jgturk/2827166496/)

[eduardoflor]

That's a nice ride! It reminds me of the Audi 4000 that's been in the family since 1985, and will one day be mine. :)

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3138/2827166496_7f18b406d9.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/jgturk/2827166496/)

Yes, 4000 its the re-badge of the 80 on the US. Nicer would be a Coupe GT or a Quattro, or even a 4000 quattro.

[denhonda]

The 80 GT/E should be a great car... good choice!

I've just bought a 1990 90 20v Sport, to go with my daily Audi 80 V6. The Honda's are for dry day motoring! I think I'll be selling my '84 & '85 in the coming year though.

Here's my old 90 (4000) Quattro!

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[2ndGenGuy]

I love those cars! So much taillight in the back!

[Civic Accord Honda]

thoses are some damn fine looking cars!

[eduardoflor]

NEWS! Been reciving some proposal to exchang the Accord
Honda Civic from the late 90
Alfa romeo sprint
Toyota Crown
And one of the loves of my life
Rover SD1

So, probably the deal with the rover will end up dead, and in the next week the accord its gonna be fixed! :)
Back to the road :rockon:
BTW:what rims will fit in the Accord?

[eduardoflor]

DAMMIT!
Yesterday i took a day off from work to help in the mecanics fix the accord, brake master was changed, aswell as the rear cylinders, to see if the if the brakes works fine. No GO! the front calipers screwd it up!
Went off for a test drive and it was amazing until i pressed the brake pedal :devil: STUCK like hell!
Getting very frustated right now, since im not able to drive the Accord for 6 months because of these crap!
Btw, the headlight was changed by me at the shop because they were busy fixing by brakes and getting fix an mk2 prelude coupe....what a nice car.
More news at the begining of the week.

My other passion!

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you are all invited to join Portal dos Classicos and show us your rides.

http://www.portalclassicos.com/index.php?langid=4

[lostforawhile]

I hate to say it but I wouldn't waste the money trying to fix that kind of extensive structure rot, with the climate there it's probably a lot worse then you can even see, what you are looking at might be only part of the problem, I'm sure there's a lot more damage then that. We have members here who have restored severe rot and even it was wasn't that bad. it's a unibody and with that many structural points damaged it's probably pretty dangerous. If you had any hope of fixing that you would ned a non rusted doner car and a lot of time and metal working and welding skills, if you had a non rusted doner car you could just swap everything to it anyway. the bodno isn't going to fix the underlying damage and weakness in the body.

[eduardoflor]

I hate to say it but I wouldn't waste the money trying to fix that kind of extensive structure rot, with the climate there it's probably a lot worse then you can even see, what you are looking at might be only part of the problem, I'm sure there's a lot more damage then that. We have members here who have restored severe rot and even it was wasn't that bad. it's a unibody and with that many structural points damaged it's probably pretty dangerous. If you had any hope of fixing that you would ned a non rusted doner car and a lot of time and metal working and welding skills, if you had a non rusted doner car you could just swap everything to it anyway. the bodno isn't going to fix the underlying damage and weakness in the body.

Thanks for the advise. The first week i got the car it was all striped down and the major areas of rust are identified. The pillar is the only concern. The rest its ok.
Brake master cylynder was changed, aswel the 2 rear cylinders. Calipers off and cleaned. But no go...

[eduardoflor]

New front disks :D

What pads do you guys recomend?

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[2ndGenGuy]

If you're not tracking the car, I'd say any organic/non-metallic compound will probably be just fine. Less dust, noise and rotor wear.