Mean Lawnmower?

[Nio]

Found out the car is camera shy, She didn't want to turn over when I had the camera running, >.< really odd....

But This is how she sounds right now.... Anyone got any good ideas what causing it. like bad cylinder, sparkplugs, or just that stupid fuel pump.

http://i776.photobucket.com/albums/yy41/nionai/My%2089%20Honda%20Accord/th_January5th2010ExhaustTest.jpg (http://s776.photobucket.com/albums/yy41/nionai/My%2089%20Honda%20Accord/?action=view&current=January5th2010ExhaustTest.flv)

[jg09]

sounds like you're not running on all 4 cylinders. Check the plugs and plug wires first. that's an easy fix

[Nio]

sounds like you're not running on all 4 cylinders. Check the plugs and plug wires first. that's an easy fix

Well I checked my plug wires last night they seem to be fine. But I'll give them another look over once she cools down.

I was thinking it could be the spark plugs. ^.^ since when I bought the car the last owner handed me a rag with 8 new spark plugs. >:O but my buddys who towed me home left them in there truck and that's sitting 40 miles away. so I currently don't have a way to check.

[jg09]

pull your plugs out and inspect the end to see if there's any coolant, oil, or gas on the end

[Nio]

Well, Went to go pull the plugs..........

And this happened. :O

http://i776.photobucket.com/albums/yy41/nionai/My%2089%20Honda%20Accord/SSPX0084.jpg

http://i776.photobucket.com/albums/yy41/nionai/My%2089%20Honda%20Accord/SSPX0085.jpg

[ShyBoyCA6]

What the hell happen?

[2ndGenGuy]

Well good chance those wires were fucked anyways. I'd buy a new set and new plugs. New plugs are only about a buck a piece for the proper NGKs.

[Nio]

sad part is she sounds the same without it. so i guess i found my problem.

[Rendon LX-i]

LOL...wires tend to look good but yet have a bad core.

[Civic Accord Honda]

yeah defiantly running on 3 cylinders or 2... thats how my 3g sounded for ages LOL

Get some NGK Vpower plugs and some NGK wires and you should be set!

[lostforawhile]

when do you need the wires? i have a set in good shape I pulled off my car, with the new wire holders they weren't long enough. They are the expensive belkin set from nappa, they fit and look like factory.

[Nio]

i dont need em yet. she still gets to 60, but next check i will along with a new tank.

[A20A1]

If it turns out it's not your plugs, wires, or cap, I would say check the cam timing and valve lash next, since those things when off can cause the car to run weird.

[-DWM-]

OP: Haven't you made a couple thrads about this same thing already?

[Nio]

OP: Haven't you made a couple thrads about this same thing already?


Actually I've Made a couple threads about different things. But the only other one this could possibly even fit in would be the one that's with 4th and 5th having no power. But at the same Time, I have found out there was more wrong with this car in this thread.

:P seeing as how much stuff is wrong with this.

[lostforawhile]

i dont need em yet. she still gets to 60, but next check i will along with a new tank.

so you are driving this car at 60 with a cylinder not firing? have you checked to see how many gallons of gas are mixed with your oil now?

[Nio]

so you are driving this car at 60 with a cylinder not firing? have you checked to see how many gallons of gas are mixed with your oil now?

You do know, This car has been completely screwed up since I bought it.

I'm not made of money, I have to work, and that means I have to drive this car. I can only replace so much at any given time.

Not like I have much of a choice.

Anyways. I can't pick anything up till next check. So yea. Doesn't make much difference now.

:P Thanks for the help and...........I better check that now as well.

*actually Maybe I could hit up one of the junk yards. They may have a couple parts I can "scavenge."*

[lostforawhile]

You do know, This car has been completely screwed up since I bought it.

I'm not made of money, I have to work, and that means I have to drive this car. I can only replace so much at any given time.

Not like I have much of a choice.

Anyways. I can't pick anything up till next check. So yea. Doesn't make much difference now.

:P Thanks for the help and...........I better check that now as well.

it's probably your plug wires, if they are coming apart of course they aren't firing. I would just send you this set but I don't even have enough for shipping.

[Nio]

it's probably your plug wires, if they are coming apart of course they aren't firing. I would just send you this set but I don't even have enough for shipping.

Lol don't worry about it. :D

I'm glad your willing to help and I am very thankful. But like I said I'll just swing by one of my local junk yards and get the parts. Its not like they have to last, just till next check.

[jg09]

wow, my car is complete shit, too, and i wouldn't run it on 3 cylinders for anything longer than say, oh... half an hour. spark plugs are cheap, dude, spend $5, get 4 cheap ones, and get the cheapest plug wires you can find.

[Civic Accord Honda]

IF you have to drive it without that cylinder fireing unplug the fuel injector to that cylinder, Thats what i did when i drove mine around as a 2cylinder for a month lol

[Nio]

wow, my car is complete shit, too, and i wouldn't run it on 3 cylinders for anything longer than say, oh... half an hour. spark plugs are cheap, dude, spend $5, get 4 cheap ones, and get the cheapest plug wires you can find.

I don't drive it more then 15 miles a day *like 10 minutes both way with 3+ hours in between both runs*.

I will attempt to get what I can tomorrow.

Its more then likely to late. This issue has been going on for what....a week now. Its just none of use really knew what the issue was until tonight.

So like I said it makes no difference now. But At least if I get the stuff tomorrow I can stop any thing else from going wrong.

[jg09]

if you can't get the parts tomorrow, at least unplug the fuel injector. that keeps one less problem from getting worse. keep in mind that your accord's motor was set up and balanced for 4 cylinders firing, not 3 cylinders and a dead weight.

[Nio]

if you can't get the parts tomorrow, at least unplug the fuel injector. that keeps one less problem from getting worse. keep in mind that your accord's motor was set up and balanced for 4 cylinders firing, not 3 cylinders and a dead weight.

Yea, Its more then likely for the best though. I'll take care of that tomorrow morning.

[Bluntman]

I had a bad wire end do that to me. The car felt like it was shifting a bit off ( automatic). Checked things out. found that bad wire. So got a new Bosch set (they are what I prefer on this car), and all was great again. I was glad it wasn't the tranny. You get a set of wires when you can, and you should get good results. I know you are tight right now, but ideally, get new cap, rotor, plugs and wires. When you can afford to, you will be glad you did.:cheers:

[Bluntman]

And when you pull your plugs, that can tell you alot in this situation. They should all be a nice cocoa brown. The one or ones that may be misfiring may be a bit black and or carbonned up a bit badly. And that can isolate what cylinder or cylinders are having the problem.:cheers:

[2oodoor]

take some wire cutters and take the end off the old wire and spice it back on the wire end until you get new ones!!! geez

[Nio]

Well I went outside to do a quick test.

Not really the smartest thing...;)

But found out that Cylinder 4. *driver side* has been the one that was dead the whole time.

I'm going to replace the cables and get new plugs today If I can.

[labeledsk8r]

check junkyards if your tight on cash, just the other day i found a 2nd gen prelude (with the A20 motor in it) with a BRAND NEW set of wires, plugs and cap and rotor. coulda walked outa there with all of it for 5 bucks but i dont have a A motor to put them on lol

[Nio]

just got back from one of our junk yards. :O little bastards aren't cheap here.

Got 2 sets for 8 bucks all together.....But I only need 2 of them to work, and just untill next Thursday.

so, I'm off to clean em up a bit and then putting them in to test em.

[Bluntman]

just got back from one of our junk yards. :O little bastards aren't cheap here.

Got 2 sets for 8 bucks all together.....But I only need 2 of them to work, and just untill next Thursday.

so, I'm off to clean em up a bit and then putting them in to test em.

Did you pull your plugs to see what they looked like at all?

[Nio]

Did you pull your plugs to see what they looked like at all?

Yea I did. 2 where broken. And the others seems fine.

I just replaced them. I'm going to go give her a run and see if anythings different.

[Nio]

:O I just got pulled over. Man I was scared to hell. >.> especially since I haven't completely finished all my tag and registration crap yet.

I opened the door, He asked me for insurance, Told him I didn't have any with me at the moment.

He looked at the car. And sait get my stuff fixed and get out of there.

Also I don't even know what I did wrong.


OMFG! I'm still shaking.

BTW the spark plug wires don't seem to be the issue.

Next I'll replace the spark plugs...Anyone else Have a Idea of what it could be.

Maybe my distributor is bad? Cause I'm really hoping its nothing to complex cause I'm no car guru.

[Bluntman]

:O I just got pulled over. Man I was scared to hell. >.> especially since I haven't completely finished all my tag and registration crap yet.

I opened the door, He asked me for insurance, Told him I didn't have any with me at the moment.

He looked at the car. And sait get my stuff fixed and get out of there.

Also I don't even know what I did wrong.


OMFG! I'm still shaking.

BTW the spark plug wires don't seem to be the issue.

Next I'll replace the spark plugs...Anyone else Have a Idea of what it could be.

Maybe my distributor is bad? Cause I'm really hoping its nothing to complex cause I'm no car guru.

Cap, rotor and plugs. Take them off and look at them. And replace them. The plugs can tell alot. See what they look like.

[Nio]

Cap, rotor and plugs. Take them off and look at them. And replace them. The plugs can tell alot. See what they look like.

I will do the plugs tonight when I get back from work, Its to late to start working on it now.

When I check the cap, Should I look for burn marks, And maybe some arch issues?

[nswst8]

:O I just got pulled over. Man I was scared to hell. >.> especially since I haven't completely finished all my tag and registration crap yet.

I opened the door, He asked me for insurance, Told him I didn't have any with me at the moment.

He looked at the car. And sait get my stuff fixed and get out of there.

Also I don't even know what I did wrong.


OMFG! I'm still shaking.

BTW the spark plug wires don't seem to be the issue.

Next I'll replace the spark plugs...Anyone else Have a Idea of what it could be.

Maybe my distributor is bad? Cause I'm really hoping its nothing to complex cause I'm no car guru.

Goto Youtube and type in "Flex your rights" and watch the video.

Were you stopped? Or just on the side of the road with a inoperable vehicle? If you really feel you were unjustly harassed, file a complaint.

[nswst8]

I will do the plugs tonight when I get back from work, Its to late to start working on it now.

When I check the cap, Should I look for burn marks, And maybe some arch issues?

in the center of the cap is a spring loaded button, make sure it is not pitted and or carbonized. Same with the side metal contacts. If they appear to be to pitted replace the cap. If they look good just clean them alittle with a piece of sandpaper, steelwool etc:

Loss of metal increases the distance that need to be traveled by the arc.

Max resisitance on your wires is 25,000 ohms, if the resistance is any higher replace them.

[Nio]

Goto Youtube and type in "Flex your rights" and watch the video.

Were you stopped? Or just on the side of the road with a inoperable vehicle? If you really feel you were unjustly harassed, file a complaint.

watched that video, But I still don't get why he let me go.

I had no insurance, tags and registration from 02, and I haven't even gotten the car completely signed in my name.


I wonder why he let me go so easily. Maybe something more important happened.

If so I feel damn lucky right now.


*back on topic*
Okay so check the cap for those issues. Okay Will do that.

[nswst8]

He didn't want the headache of fillig out the mountain of paperwork for having your car impounded. Yeah, consider yourself lucky.

[Nio]

He didn't want the headache of fillig out the mountain of paperwork for having your car impounded. Yeah, consider yourself lucky.

Well Then I probably burnt up all of my luck for the year.

[Civic Accord Honda]

on the cap u want nice smooth shiny contacts same with the rotor if there rusty or have white corrosion on them clean them up with fine grit sand paper or steel wool

[Civic Accord Honda]

also
start the car
unplug 1 wire at a time and see if u hear any diffrence

you should hear a noticeable difference or it should stall on the cylinders that are firing on the one that's not you will hear no difference at all

[w261w261]

You are one lucky MF. Either the cop got another call, or he was just too lazy, or he was near the end of his shift. That was like going into a casino with 50 bucks and coming out with $500. It happened, count your lucky stars, but it probably won't happen again. Don't lose your car over this, not to mention a mountain of fines, which will ban you from further registrations or suspend your drivers license, etc etc.

[mushroom_toy]

I wouldnt put off buying plugs and wires, esp since those are in that shape. Dont skimp or wait around on maintenance or something else will screw up. Check the rotor button and make sure its not worn too bad, even if it isnt there like 2.50 so just get a new one. Check the dist. cap as well.

[lostforawhile]

make sure the firing order is right and you didn't switch a couple of plugs.

[Nio]

make sure the firing order is right and you didn't switch a couple of plugs.

Well unless the firing order was wrong before I even touched em it should eb right.

I had the car off, Unplug one wire, put the new one on, start it listen do a few revs to feel how quick it was. did this for each one.

Did em all like this, Everything went fine.

the only one I noticed had a issue was cylinder 4, Drivers side one. *US car*

when I had that one plugged in or unplugged, the car Sounded the same, and revved the same...So I think its that plug/cylinder, I can't really check it tonight like I planned, It completely froze over, and my driveway is a death trap right now because of it.

So I'll do this tomorrow morning.

Thanks again for the help guys.

[Bluntman]

Drivers side plug is #1, passenger side is #4. So from drivers side to passenger side is 1, 2, 3, 4. There are slash marks on the distributor cap where the wires plug into as to what cylinder that wire goes to. The marks look like this ( IIII, II, I, III ).

[Nio]

Drivers side plug is #1, passenger side is #4. So from drivers side to passenger side is 1, 2, 3, 4. There are slash marks on the distributor cap where the wires plug into as to what cylinder that wire goes to. The marks look like this ( IIII, II, I, III ).

didn't know that. :D guess I learned something. I'll be sure to check to make sure its right then.

[Bluntman]

didn't know that. :D guess I learned something. I'll be sure to check to make sure its right then.

Hard to see the slash marks in this pic, but you get the idea.
http://i19.servimg.com/u/f19/12/59/29/63/cap10.jpg (http://www.servimg.com/image_preview.php?i=694&u=12592963)

[charliekuney]

Haha, this thread is funny. My car sounds like a weedwacker at high rpm's because I have a loose exhaust mount.

[Civic Accord Honda]

Haha, this thread is funny. My car sounds like a weedwacker at high rpm's because I have a loose exhaust mount.

No, Your car sounds like a weed eater because it is a 4 cylinder Honda... :lol: :lol:

[charliekuney]

Pfft.

[ShyBoyCA6]

lol my car sputter cause i forgot to put the forth cable back in lol but no damage done to the engine thank god

[Bluntman]

Hard to see the slash marks in this pic, but you get the idea.
http://i19.servimg.com/u/f19/12/59/29/63/cap10.jpg (http://www.servimg.com/image_preview.php?i=694&u=12592963)

Bump. For Nio to see the cap pic. It tells you what wire goes to what cylinder.

[Nio]

Bump. For Nio to see the cap pic. It tells you what wire goes to what cylinder.

Thanks. :D


Just checked it, It was set up right....But damn is it cold outside.

[Nio]

As I posted in the build thread.

I replaced my Spark plugs today. as well have replaced the spark plug wires.

Still having the issue with cylinder 1 not firing, Plugged in or unplugged she runs the same...

The old plug for Cylinder 1 had burnt oil on it. So not so great news there.

http://i776.photobucket.com/albums/yy41/nionai/My%2089%20Honda%20Accord/SSPX0096.jpg

I'm going to continue with my distributor cap check. and I really hope its that. If not. :D she just got a whole lot more fun...

[ecogabriel]

I would unplug #1 spark plug wire, attach a piece of metal that protrudes outside of the rubber isolation and with it close to the engine I would start it; you should see the spark hitting the engine from the spark plug wire... you may have probably done that but just in case.

[Nio]

I would unplug #1 spark plug wire, attach a piece of metal that protrudes outside of the rubber isolation and with it close to the engine I would start it; you should see the spark hitting the engine from the spark plug wire... you may have probably done that but just in case.

>.< never thought of trying that.

[Bluntman]

Here is a cheap helpful little tool to see if you are getting spark to a cylinder. You hook it up inline to the plug, and if the light flashes then you know you are getting spark to the cylinder. Little Harbor Freight cheapie, but effective for its purpose.http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/Displayitem.taf?itemnumber=97577

[Nio]

Well I had one of those tools hidden in my friends garage, *under his nova* I went out to test it today...and I can say that all the plugs work. >.> especially since 2 of them shocked me...

So I guess I move up the chain now, to the fuel injector?

What else could this be. since I have the next 2 days off, I want to get some work done.

[Nio]

Okay I just re-read the thread. I guess I should check my timing as well.

:P gawd she is a lot of work...

[Civic Accord Honda]

if all 4 spark and your petrol was nasty im betting 1 of the injectors got cloged up >< , try going to the junkyard and pocketing a set of injectors

[lostforawhile]

replace your cap, if one isn't firing you could have carbon tracking on from of the wire terminals to ground, they are cheap and you probably need one anyway.

[jg09]

if all 4 spark and your petrol was nasty im betting 1 of the injectors got cloged up >< , try going to the junkyard and pocketing a set of injectors

5 finger discount FTW!

[mykwikcoupe]

Didnt i tell you a week ago it was your injector. Your timings fine. It runs like shit becuiuase its missing 90 degrees of rotation in the cycle and its draging a piston around. Swap out the injector with a known good one and itll work just fine again.

[Nio]

Didnt i tell you a week ago it was your injector. Your timings fine. It runs like shit becuiuase its missing 90 degrees of rotation in the cycle and its draging a piston around. Swap out the injector with a known good one and itll work just fine again.

Yea you did. But I wanted to check everything else first.....at least I now have new plugs and plug wires.

since I know 2 of them were no good anyways.

[Oldblueaccord]

You might not have compression on that cylinder. You need to do a compression test on it and see what you got before you start buying more stuff for it.

If your feeling frisky(since your the cheap labor) change the injectors with one thats firing but I would do the compression test first. Buy a cheap one or rent one from an auto parts place.

wp

[Nio]

You might not have compression on that cylinder. You need to do a compression test on it and see what you got before you start buying more stuff for it.

If your feeling frisky(since your the cheap labor) change the injectors with one thats firing but I would do the compression test first. Buy a cheap one or rent one from an auto parts place.

wp

Well I was actually going to go over to a friends shop he has one and told me last night I could use it.

[Nio]

Got the compression tester. *thanks to a good friend* he also lent me a tool to test my wiring on the fuel injectors. :D I'll post my results soon.

[Nio]

I found this unbolted under the belts.

Its like the locking bolt for the alternator..*the one that holds it in place to make it swivel*

What is it for?

http://i776.photobucket.com/albums/yy41/nionai/My%2089%20Honda%20Accord/SSPX0109.jpg

http://i776.photobucket.com/albums/yy41/nionai/My%2089%20Honda%20Accord/SSPX0110.jpg

http://i776.photobucket.com/albums/yy41/nionai/My%2089%20Honda%20Accord/SSPX0111.jpg

http://i776.photobucket.com/albums/yy41/nionai/My%2089%20Honda%20Accord/SSPX0113.jpg

http://i776.photobucket.com/albums/yy41/nionai/My%2089%20Honda%20Accord/SSPX0114.jpg

http://i776.photobucket.com/albums/yy41/nionai/My%2089%20Honda%20Accord/SSPX0115.jpg
I'll be posting this in my build thread as well.

[jg09]

looks like it has something to do with adjusting the belts

[Nio]

Hey guys, I have tried the compression test. But no matter what I do *following all of the steps* all cylinders come up at zero....

Any ideas why it could be doing this?

[Nio]

NVM, I feel like a total dumbass, I figured out what I had done wrong. TT_TT

[Dr_Snooz]

The bolt is to hold the PS pump.

[Nio]

Thanks snooz


BTW I have my test in.


<---Presure--->
|---Cylinder 4---|---Cylinder 3---|---Cylinder 2---|---Cylinder 1---|-Cable-ft/Cranks-|
----115 pounds------115 pounds-----115 pounds------125 pounds---3ft cable/7 cranks
----100 pounds------102 pounds-----100 pounds------115 pounds---3ft cable/5 cranks
----175 pounds------175 pounds-----175 pounds------190 pounds---1ft cable/7 cranks

so it would seem that the 1 is higher in every occasion.

What to do now?

[Nio]

NVM...

I just check it all, I guess my cylinders are fine. I'm going to check my fuel injectors now..

[A20A1]

Is the car still making the same noises?

I posted some suggestions a while back not sure if you tried it yet.

[Nio]

IDK right now...I should knowby tomorrow night...I'm going to finish replacing the timing belt. And then I'm going to replace cylinder 1's fuel injector. If its still happening I'll be completely stumped cause Then I would have ran threw everything everyone had said...I think.

[A20A1]

I should have read your bent valves thread first... :dunno:

[Nio]

well....shes still running bad. I haven't been able to get the fuel injectors like I wanted yet...

But I had another question.

okay while driving today..*to waste some time*. when I push hard on the throttle she goes, but has less power then when I push halfway on the throttle...and she sounds like she sputters a bit when I go full open.

As well I noticed even when I half throttle her. she kind jults a little bit every now and then while accelerating...

Any good Ideas of what can cause these issues? *besides my fuel injectors, which I already know I need to replace along with the fuel filter.*

[Civic Accord Honda]

fuel filter sounds like that problem mixed with the injectors lol, my civic had similer problems and it was fuel filter (except the lawn mower sound you have thats from the injector :p)


seriously man just go to the junkyard and throw some injectors in your pocket wont take more then 10 minutes of your time

[Nio]

fuel filter sounds like that problem mixed with the injectors lol, my civic had similer problems and it was fuel filter (except the lawn mower sound you have thats from the injector :p)


seriously man just go to the junkyard and throw some injectors in your pocket wont take more then 10 minutes of your time

Okay. how would I release the pressure if I don't have power to the car.

Or does that really even matter for one in the junkyard.

*BTW I just remove the fuel rail right?*

[Civic Accord Honda]

dont need to release pressure lol i never have , if it is pressurized a little bit of fuel leaks out doesent hurt anything unless the engine is hot lol, and yes just the 10mm nuts on the fuel rail

[Nio]

dont need to release pressure lol i never have , if it is pressurized a little bit of fuel leaks out doesent hurt anything unless the engine is hot lol, and yes just the 10mm nuts on the fuel rail

okay cool. I was going to pocket a fuel filter as well. But then I saw I can get em for like 15$, so not worth it, just get a new one when I get paid. :P

[Civic Accord Honda]

word used fuel filter FTL LOL

just make sure you get the LX-i / SE-i one as the DX LX ones are completely different

[Oldblueaccord]

well....shes still running bad. I haven't been able to get the fuel injectors like I wanted yet...

But I had another question.

okay while driving today..*to waste some time*. when I push hard on the throttle she goes, but has less power then when I push halfway on the throttle...and she sounds like she sputters a bit when I go full open.

As well I noticed even when I half throttle her. she kind jults a little bit every now and then while accelerating...

Any good Ideas of what can cause these issues? *besides my fuel injectors, which I already know I need to replace along with the fuel filter.*

Where is your timing set at? Have you tried advancing it any to see if it helps.

I would almost guarantee your timing belt is off a tooth or 2 still. Its very easy to do. If it is the compression of the motor will be lower and you'll loose power.

wp

[Nio]

Where is your timing set at? Have you tried advancing it any to see if it helps.

I would almost guarantee your timing belt is off a tooth or 2 still. Its very easy to do. If it is the compression of the motor will be lower and you'll loose power.

wp

shes been running bad for about a week after I got her. and I felt the car run better after the timing belt..so I think its set right.

But I'm picking up the fuel injectors when I go back to the junk yard today. so I'll see if that helps any.

[Nio]

got my fuel injectors :D you can check them out on my build thread.

http://www.3geez.com/forum/showthread.php?t=71344&page=8

I'll find out tonight if that was the biggest part of the problem.

[Nio]

Found the little demon.

May I introduce Fuel injector 1#.

http://i776.photobucket.com/albums/yy41/nionai/My%2089%20Honda%20Accord/SSPX0247.jpg