seat belt & door alarm

[fogged]

Okay for the last week my seat belt and door alarm have been going nuts. They go off at random times. Door closed, it thinks its open. Seat belt on, it thinks its off. If anyone has any clue as haw I should go about fixing the issue id be happy as hell.

[2JES280]

i also have a question about this. i have the seatbelt buckles unplugged so they dont harass me anymore when i drive unbuckled (like 1/4 mile down my driveway to the mailbox) and all is good. but i took the door apart today to fix a roller issue and noticed that both belt retractors are plugged into some wiring as well. whats this for? can i unplug them?

[charliekuney]

Okay for the last week my seat belt and door alarm have been going nuts. They go off at random times. Door closed, it thinks its open. Seat belt on, it thinks its off. If anyone has any clue as haw I should go about fixing the issue id be happy as hell.

Check the tabs inside of the door (just beneath the latch, where the paint and tire codes would be). These tend to go bad on these cars, or just may be loose.


i also have a question about this. i have the seatbelt buckles unplugged so they dont harass me anymore when i drive unbuckled (like 1/4 mile down my driveway to the mailbox) and all is good. but i took the door apart today to fix a roller issue and noticed that both belt retractors are plugged into some wiring as well. whats this for? can i unplug them?

Those wires signal whether the seatbelt is buckled or not when the car is on, the ones under the seat tell the car whether someone is in the seat or not (I believe). If they don't signal now, I don't think unplugging them will do anything except stop the warning lights from...warning you.

[LX-incredible]

The door sensor for the belts is in the actual door latch, on the door. I haven't found a way to fix this without replacing the latch. The locking mechanism on the seatbelts unlatches when the door "opens", so fix it properly.

There is no sensor in the seat. Belts were designed to stay buckled at all times on the coupes and hatches. You're supposed to lift the belt and step out. :rolleyes: Note the "EMERGENCY RELEASE" on the belts and center console. As I recall, unplugging the sensor at the seatbelt latch only disables the light.

[fogged]

Okay... As for the door latch. Would that be the one inside the door its self or the one on the body of the car?

[LX-incredible]

Inside the door.

[2oodoor]

The door sensor for the belts is in the actual door latch, on the door. I haven't found a way to fix this without replacing the latch. The locking mechanism on the seatbelts unlatches when the door "opens", so fix it properly.

There is no sensor in the seat. Belts were designed to stay buckled at all times on the coupes and hatches. You're supposed to lift the belt and step out. :rolleyes: Note the "EMERGENCY RELEASE" on the belts and center console. As I recall, unplugging the sensor at the seatbelt latch only disables the light.

really? I wondered why there was a commercial grade warning plaque on the dam console.. and the belts always get caught in the door when closing it. I have to go out and try this now...

[charliekuney]

I wondered why there was a commercial grade warning plaque on the dam console

What is this? I don't have one...

[rc00netzero]

I believe it is only for the cars equipped with the "automatic" or "passive" shoulder/lap belt combo. Not sure when those first appeared, but my 87 lxi doesn't have them. I think 89's do, but not sure about 88's. Might depend on manufacture date in 88.

I never liked those - just a pointless over-complex nuisance to me, since I always belt in. :D

[charliekuney]

None of these cars ever had automatic seat belts, and I believe the '86 hatch was the only one that differed from the other hatches and the coupes.

[fogged]

Okay that's not that easy of a fix. It only took ten minutes to get the latch of the junk yard car. Then about an hour to get it into my car. I had to take my time and not mess up my door panel. Over all it wasn't that hard to do it. It just took more time than I would have liked to do it.

[2JES280]

well, ive got a dx hatch and the belts are in the door. there are wires going to the belt recoilers and i dont know why or what they are for. all i can think of is that they are to lock the belts in case of a crash.

[fogged]

Okay. I drove the honda today for the first time. I went through all that work of replacing the latches on both doors and the alarm is still messing up. Is there anyway of looking at them to tell if they are messed up?

[LX-incredible]

Not really, they're sealed. It's pretty common for these to go bad. I've replaced at least 3 on my accords. Dealer is the only sure way, unfortunately.

[mykwikcoupe]

The door sensor for the belts is in the actual door latch, on the door. I haven't found a way to fix this without replacing the latch. The locking mechanism on the seatbelts unlatches when the door "opens", so fix it properly.

There is no sensor in the seat. Belts were designed to stay buckled at all times on the coupes and hatches. You're supposed to lift the belt and step out. :rolleyes: Note the "EMERGENCY RELEASE" on the belts and center console. As I recall, unplugging the sensor at the seatbelt latch only disables the light.

so if im reading correctly the way the seatbelt is supposed to work, you open the door, the seat side latch releases and you dont have to push the red unlock piece? That is only in case of an emergency? That would be super pimp but mine dont work that way?

[Civic Accord Honda]

you leave them strapped open door out of way and try to get out without choking the shit out of your self

[Jajle]

you leave them strapped open door out of way and try to get out without choking the shit out of your self

^ I tried that, not easy nor is it comfortable. It's much easier to hit the red button like a normal person would, plus you'd look kinda weird struggling your neck to get out of your car without getting choked.

[itzdave]

haha! i always wondered what that meant!

[Civic Accord Honda]

^ I tried that, not easy nor is it comfortable. It's much easier to hit the red button like a normal person would, plus you'd look kinda weird struggling your neck to get out of your car without getting choked.

i know the feeling of sturggleing to get out of your car.... my 91 has automatic seat belts that slide.... when i had them hooked up they would start to slide forward then slide back in to locking position as u were getting out warping around your neck and choking you really bad... im so glad i unpluged them... but now i have to flip them around my back when i get out and have an annoying blinking seat belt led

[charliekuney]

^ Which is why I'll never by a '90-91 Accord.

[Civic Accord Honda]

or a 88-90 ford escort?

[kentwat]

My 90 Integra ls has these annoying automatic belts too.

[Dr_Snooz]

so if im reading correctly the way the seatbelt is supposed to work, you open the door, the seat side latch releases and you dont have to push the red unlock piece? That is only in case of an emergency? That would be super pimp but mine dont work that way?

The belts are supposed to stay latched all the time. There was a federal mandate to install passive safety restraints in cars at that time. If I'm remembering correctly, most manufacturers were going with air bags, but Honda went with a seat belt design that mounted all the seat belt hardware to the end of the door and put a big red sign next to the belt release saying only to use it in emergencies (ie: never unlatch it). The idea was for the belt to swing outward with the door and provide enough space for you to get in without getting caught in the belt. I applaud them for not using air bags because it kept the car's weight down and MPG up. (I also dislike air bags because if you are in the wrong spot when they deploy, you'll need reconstructive surgery to put you back together). Unfortunately, the seat belt design didn't quite work out as planned. You couldn't get into the car without getting tangled in the belt and no one left the belts buckled. The doors were insanely heavy and the panels got all chopped up from the buckle getting slammed in the door all the time.

[gtmst3]

The belts are supposed to stay latched all the time. There was a federal mandate to install passive safety restraints in cars at that time. If I'm remembering correctly, most manufacturers were going with air bags, but Honda went with a seat belt design that mounted all the seat belt hardware to the end of the door and put a big red sign next to the belt release saying only to use it in emergencies (ie: never unlatch it). The idea was for the belt to swing outward with the door and provide enough space for you to get in without getting caught in the belt. I applaud them for not using air bags because it kept the car's weight down and MPG up. (I also dislike air bags because if you are in the wrong spot when they deploy, you'll need reconstructive surgery to put you back together). Unfortunately, the seat belt design didn't quite work out as planned. You couldn't get into the car without getting tangled in the belt and no one left the belts buckled. The doors were insanely heavy and the panels got all chopped up from the buckle getting slammed in the door all the time.

there is no way to modify the things to make it reel faster ?

[charliekuney]

and no one left the belts buckled.

Same thing goes with automatic belts: people never buckle the bottom half, and I guess you can be pulled over and written a ticket for "not wearing [half of] your seat belt".

[mykwikcoupe]

Same thing goes with automatic belts: people never buckle the bottom half, and I guess you can be pulled over and written a ticket for "not wearing [half of] your seat belt".

Ive gotten this for not being fast enough to buckle the bottom half before the cop got got to the window. Im so fail some times

[charliekuney]

So, I tried Snooz's idea of leaving them latched. T'was a bitch to get in and out, and looked ridiculous.

[gtmst3]

So, I tried Snooz's idea of leaving them latched. T'was a bitch to get in and out, and looked ridiculous.

ive been messing with my friends with them buckled all the time its funny to watch them get in and out

[fogged]

Well guys honda has discontinued the latches as of last year. Ive called every dealer in two states that i can get a number for to find them with no luck. Looks as if im going to have to try and find good one out of a JY some place. All the yards in this area blow. Is there any way to mod them so that they dont trip the alarms or the lights on the dash?

[InAccordance]

remove alarm, remove bulb to dash light, get seatbelts out of a DX/LX... that's what i'd do :D

[gtmst3]

Well guys honda has discontinued the latches as of last year. Ive called every dealer in two states that i can get a number for to find them with no luck. Looks as if im going to have to try and find good one out of a JY some place. All the yards in this area blow. Is there any way to mod them so that they dont trip the alarms or the lights on the dash?

are you talking about the belt buckles?

[fogged]

remove alarm, remove bulb to dash light, get seatbelts out of a DX/LX... that's what i'd do :D

Was at the JY today and not a sigal dx/lx. ill just have to disconnect the alarm and take out the bulbs. :devil:

[LX-incredible]

Well guys honda has discontinued the latches as of last year. Ive called every dealer in two states that i can get a number for to find them with no luck. Looks as if im going to have to try and find good one out of a JY some place. All the yards in this area blow. Is there any way to mod them so that they dont trip the alarms or the lights on the dash?

72150-SE0-A12 LOCK ASSY., L. DOOR SWITCH

72110-SE0-A12 LOCK ASSY., R. DOOR SWITCH

The left side seems to no longer be available though.

[InAccordance]

there are 2 LX sedans and what i think is an LXi coupe at a local yard here, i'll see if any have belts.

[fogged]

72150-SE0-A12 LOCK ASSY., L. DOOR SWITCH

72110-SE0-A12 LOCK ASSY., R. DOOR SWITCH

The left side seems to no longer be available though.

Ill give it a try and see what I can come up with. Thanks for the help on the part #s

[Oldblueaccord]

Well guys honda has discontinued the latches as of last year. Ive called every dealer in two states that i can get a number for to find them with no luck. Looks as if im going to have to try and find good one out of a JY some place. All the yards in this area blow. Is there any way to mod them so that they dont trip the alarms or the lights on the dash?

Youll have to look at the schematic and jump them out. I 'd guess they need a ground signal completed to not go off.

I keep all mine latched in the rear and sometimes when I open my door the chime goes off and I have to shut the car off and restart. Sometimes and its rare I have to do it on the highway :eek: while its rolling.


wp

[fogged]

Youll have to look at the schematic and jump them out. I 'd guess they need a ground signal completed to not go off.


wp

Id love to do something like that? Now if I have to do it. Well thats just asking the Honda gods to shit on me. Im no where close to able. Me and wires dont mix well.

[mflo]

I have an 89 lxi coupe (261,000 miles). Been having problems with the seat belt/door alarm as well. First, I disconnected the "beeper/light" above the rearview mirror, but the blinking in my dash console has been like Chinese water torture. Today, I couldn't take it any more. After fussing with the latch I saw it had two positions; back and fully locked, in the locked position with the door open the door light went out - yippee. The "u" shaped bracket (dunno what it's officially called) on the body that the latch catches on was worn on the latch side and because of door sag it was no longer hitting the latch mechanism center. So I tried flipping it to the less worn side and adjusting its position. The door/seatbelt light finally went out, I took her for a spin and it worked for a bit – until I hit the brakes or a bump. I could hear a rattling from the latch which coincided with the blinking warning light. The latch itself was mechanically sound so I figured something was loose in the wiring/connection/switch/whatever and took the door panel off. Shined a flashlight in at the latch and realized getting to whatever was the problem was a lost cause. Instead, I followed the wiring from the latch to where it plugged into the door wiring harness and unplugged it. Taped-up both ends, put the door panel back on, took her for another spin and so far so good!!!! (even did a hard stop to make sure the seatbelt still worked – just in case)
Not exactly an easy fix (removing the door panel's a pain in the a**) but it was easier than trying to pull that latch out and find a replacement.
Uh, I'm somewhat mechanically inclined but working on cars is a bit new to me, if anyone sees any hazards with what I just did, I'd appreciate the heads-up. Thanks!

[fogged]

I saw the wire loom from the latch and thought of doing the same. I glad that it worked for you. How long have you had it unplugged?

[mflo]

since yesterday. drove to and from work today then ran a few errands. no problems so far.