"JohnDriver -1987 accord stretch limo - Project In Motion"

[JohnDriver]

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d156/driverlogistics/Honda%20Accord%20stretch%20limo/oldfrontside.jpg

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d156/driverlogistics/Honda%20Accord%20stretch%20limo/oldside.jpg

[A18A]

classy :cool:

[forrest89sei]

Nice!

Post some interior pics!!

Does it have the Stock LX Drive Train?

[MessyHonda]

its going to need alot of TLC

[AccordB20A]

needs a bit of work here and there but cool project!

[Tdurr]

wut???? more info plz!

[JohnDriver]

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d156/driverlogistics/Honda%20Accord%20stretch%20limo/0201081214.jpg
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[87roach]

Neat project you got yourself!

[JohnDriver]

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d156/driverlogistics/Honda%20Accord%20stretch%20limo/0202081550b.jpg
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rollin on 18" yo
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d156/driverlogistics/Honda%20Accord%20stretch%20limo/0201081217a.jpg
hey just for fun,do the math,if this car weighs 3330 KG wait till you see the lbs

[JohnDriver]

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d156/driverlogistics/Honda%20Accord%20stretch%20limo/DSCI0053.jpg
and yes this car is carbed and a FIVE SPEED
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d156/driverlogistics/Honda%20Accord%20stretch%20limo/DSCI0055.jpg
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[lostforawhile]

you are going to need a FI swap to be able to effectively move all that weight

[JohnDriver]

you are going to need a FI swap to be able to effectively move all that weight
even with a new hd clutch i can make the clutch slip just by flooring it(under 20 mph)

[JohnDriver]

1987 honda accord LX limousine white, burgandy int,carb.4 cyl. 5spd best gas mileage of any limo I have ever owned/driven seats 4 in back 5 if everyone is friendly 7 total,w/driver
barely runs ,but drives well needs a tune up and carb adjustment also.
paint is getting old(its on its second paintjob) but I was going to do a color change stripping the whole car (they make carbonfiber hood and decklid) so I thought darker would be better
nice tires.its a great starting point for a show stopper, needs paint, body, interior,drivetrain work.lol its a 23 year old livery vehicle.you can only expect so much from it.
I am not happy with the springs(the guy I got it from replaced the stock"heavy duty"springs with aftermarket shorty adjustables) I installed full lowering springs(dropped it another couple inches)looks good rides better but I want to build a set using the long multi-rate springs with the adjusters to give ride as well as ride height
I would really like to find a set of air ride struts for this car.
I bought a set of 1989 accord SEI 4 wheel disc brakes and wanted to do all the suspension at once.the wheels are either the chrome 18" or the 2000 civic si 15" that it has now.
to be honest I drove this car EVERYWHERE for 2 years.70 miles a day to work and back. you can not go anywhere without at least one person taking a pic or asking about the car or about renting it.
has an identical 1987 parts car (non stretch)with bad motor. I have the divider(i removed it) it has no ac but the parts car has all the ac stuff.
I did some simple cleanup/detail work when I got it,but it needs to be done right,I tinted the windows,coated the roof with bedliner(looks like vinyl)I was going to redo it with carbon fiber vinyl.
new rotors w/ceramic pads(stops great), replaced the coach lamp housings(still need wiring) hand formed aluminum diamond plate inset panels for the stretch section. replaced the rear ac vents and hoses(also have a secondary ac for the rear needs install)replaced the rear facing bench with stock matching accord bucket seats(I still have all stock parts I removed)

they made very few of these,this car had 14 miles when the company stretched it,a place up in canada(it is very heavy duty)good workmanship.not a backyard hackjob

it has been suggested I swap it over to fuel inj. I think thats a grand idea, but why go stock? Im going to do more research on my choices for a total eng.possibly trans also swap but I really want to keep the standard shift.
just so yall know I am a fabricator,and have spent many years at various body shops and custom vehicle builders.I have a pretty well equiped shop.
bear in mind along with all the honeydoos that come with the wife. I have many irons in the fire ,12 I think."project vehicles". :wtf:

[JohnDriver]

for those of you to lazy to do the math this car weighs"supposedly"
7341 lbs per the mfg(I believe this to be its loaded weight.lol)
what the he!!,its a seven thousand pound HONDA..:huh:
I have to be careful when choosing tires some cant handle the weight.
after blowing 3 18"tires i pulled the rims and swaped for 15" 2000 civic SI wheels
havent lost one yet. and I found a guy on ebay selling the air ride springs for my struts $$$. I readjusted the carb(i have the factory manuals) runs better still barely idles and I figured out the carb is leaking fuel when I shut it off(down the butterfly,filling the throat to the top.wtf,im thinking either the float is sticking or the pressure regulator has failed.do they have a reg?
I think once I figure out this prob Ill start driving it again.

[A18A]

3300kg is a lot more than I thought it would weigh. that's like the weight of 2 accords. it must be reinforced pretty good lol. you should go with a honda motor that has torque. j-series or something?

[forrest89sei]

It looks like a good Project, If you don't want to do a EFI Swap, if your Area of Texas doesn't have emissions testing I think a Weber Kit Would a great Idea, You'd only have 3 Vacuum lines under the hood and gain some more power while still having good fuel Economy :D

[HON-DUH]

why?

[lostforawhile]

hope he restores it, this is a real 3geez limo by a real limo conversion company, very very rare, this isn't one of the hacked up ones you often see. the body needs to be restored first, to preserve it.

[lostforawhile]

I say you go FI and do a turbo setup, there is a ton of info on it here and you can make good power, another option in this case, is maby do a D series with the jackson racing supercharger kit, this will cut the weight of the engine and provide torque all across the power band which you desperately need, normally i'm not a fan of putting the smaller engine in this car, but with that setup you have the option of lots of torque

[Dr_Snooz]

LOL. That car is awesome! I think the poll is academic. You have the madman car already. Can't wait to see what you do with it. Takes lots of pics and keep your build thread updated!

[JohnDriver]

why?

I also have a set of texas personalized plates from 1987 the front one says
Y
the other says
Y NOT
Ill post the pics,when I think of where they are,Im gonna use them for shows.
it is the 3rd most popular question among
what is it? , can I take a pic? , WHY? , is that a civic?
oh and the ever popular PIMP MY RIDE,YO,PIMP MY RIDE
now the honest reason this car exists?
in 87 gas was getting higher ,people were looking for a better tool to do a job.
they needed a fuel efficient transport for 4,5,or 6 people to go see the sights
enter the tourist car,custom built in canada by a leading canadian coach builder. who mostly built custom ambulance/fire equip. and they also built limousines. there were several made. I have only seen pics of 3-4 others
and when I applied to a new limo company(im an ex-cab driver/chauffeur)
I told the owner about my unique ride,he replied.white/burgandy int,5-speed?
im like yeah,guess he had seen it before,nope he has one stashed in his personal collection(warehouses) so there are a few floating around,but they are all in private collections or behind crazy uncle soandsos barn rotting away
I want to drive mine ALOT

[MessyHonda]

i like it...got to say its pretty pimp

[JohnDriver]

3300kg is a lot more than I thought it would weigh. that's like the weight of 2 accords. it must be reinforced pretty good lol. you should go with a honda motor that has torque. j-series or something?

hey,since im a big ol noob, what years/model would have had the J-series?

I have logged many miles with the stock drivetrain,It does well,well as well as can be expected.consider your car,with a trailer hitch/flat towing a Honda civic ,all day, everyday. the guy I got it from went thru 3 clutches in as many months(IT IS NOT A RACECAR).now since i have had it( 3+years) its the same clutch he put in it. im a professional driver(on a closed course.lol) the launch takes a lot of forethought.I have to find a spot in traffic that a car/trailer would fit in(the car is the same length as my dads 2000 f250 excab long bed) but I plan well and then feather the throttle to modulate the clutch slip.holding the clutch at the limit of slip.man theres got to be a better way.lol
one of my buddys worked for a place in ft worth called AUTOMOTIVE MACHINE these guys are the most expert bunch,mainly air cooled vw,but also specializing in japanese .he said he remembered the car/previous owner and had a hell of a time finding a clutch to survive,because the guy thought it was the set of fast and the furious.lol I had the idea to swap a late model civic drivetrain. due to the fact my 3rd gen is about the size of the newer civic(why do cars constantly grow larger) it should keep the same track width and have TONS of aftermarket support.now im not opposed to gutting the bay and doing an efi swap,or the webber setup sounds pimp.(i like the simple old school nature of a carb and a standard trans. my home is in an emissions co. but I also have a house out in the country,so it may end up out there so I can have the freedom to mod the drivetrain.
as far as the center section,WOW these guys really went OVERBOARD.in the pics of the turnaround seat you can see the girders they built all the bracing from its unreal,like 1/16 in wall,WTF but im gonna put some holes in that for 12" subs. :D

[JohnDriver]

LOL. That car is awesome! I think the poll is academic. You have the madman car already. Can't wait to see what you do with it. Takes lots of pics and keep your build thread updated!
as far as the poll,to be quite honest,I have this theory that when it comes to very limited production/hard to find cars.I dont really own them.they belong to the ages.(yes I know i could torch it and dance in the ashes) but I rember as a kid goin to car shows/seeing something unusual in traffic. its inspiring.
so Im tapping into the crowd(thats you guys)that cares for cars long ago thought scrap. when this car passes from my hands I want to know it has a chance to survive.and to be honest,its close to rotting behind soandsos barn.
so I have to do something. being as rare as it is I thought about mostly bolt ons so it could be put back to stock some day.but im a fabricator,and I would like to show up at hot import nights and the only neg comments be WHY??
BECAUSE IT WAS THERE. :rice:

[2oodoor]

likes this...
Modernize this thing already, there are some things in these pictures could be lightened up a good bit with modern materials. That is pretty dang heavy.

those wheels look heavy too...

My first thought about FI swap was why, when you can put a weber 38 on there and unleash gobs and gobs of low rpm torque you wouldnt believe... however, the gas smells associated with webers may not be something you would want with customers if this thing is hired out.
When I installed the weber and intake cygnus cut out the dividers on, in the othewise completlyu stock A20a1 five speed DX I had, well it totaly changed the personality of the car. It was mind blowing. I could pull from 25-30 mph in fifth gear without any complaints from the motor or clutch. Not something I would do all the time but just an example of how much better the car ran without winding up the motor all the time just to get momemtum.

[JohnDriver]

I say you go FI and do a turbo setup, there is a ton of info on it here and you can make good power, another option in this case, is maby do a D series with the jackson racing supercharger kit, this will cut the weight of the engine and provide torque all across the power band which you desperately need, normally i'm not a fan of putting the smaller engine in this car, but with that setup you have the option of lots of torque

I have been tossing ideas around since day one.and Im a huge fan of turbos.also I believe the turbo lag might prevent some of the clutch slip and keep the axles in one piece,but the sheer mass of this ride.:(
i have also thought V6? im still a little dumb when it comes to the underhood antics.V8,im your man.I gotta learn the honda lingo for what the engines are,also the various bellhousing bolt pattern.
how many are there for honda/ acura. and what years/models?
THANKS guys for inspiring me.lol :werd:

[JohnDriver]

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d156/driverlogistics/Honda%20Accord%20stretch%20limo/0909081325.jpg
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[jesus_charger]

3geez Limo!! Wat!... i voted go mad man.

[lostforawhile]

better call the pimp my ride crew lol http://desktop.freewallpaper4.me/preview/7324-pimp-my-ride.jpg

[ShyBoyCA6]

sucks that its carb. but needs alot of work.

[ShyBoyCA6]

[QUOTE=lostforawhile;1065032]better call the pimp my ride crew lol/QUOTE]

Lost sometimes you fail and this is fail -___- always gotta picture of something else dont you. :lol::slap:

[Dr_Snooz]

Do you know what kind of mileage it gets right now? I can't imagine it's very good.

[ShyBoyCA6]

probably 2 miles per the gallon? :rice:

[lostforawhile]

probably 2 miles per the gallon? :rice:

it has to get better then that, my Lincoln weighs well over 2 tons and it gets 15 MPG, thats with a 5.0

[JohnDriver]

you guys probably wont believe me but,last time I remember writing the mileage on the receipt and rechecking it,next fillup...... 32mpg
I think its the 5spd. but i do mostly hwy driving:70 miles round trip to work
and some local driving(it was my sole mode of transportation for 2 years)
and I drive like an old man,
in fact I get old men tellin me to get the hell outta their way,im so slow.lmfao
you gotta understand this thing is in the weeds.low,low.low you step off the curb and its a step down.lol so to preserve tires/undercarrage im very aware of road condition and I just dont get in a hurry.
but as a bonus when I hit my blinker people ALWAYS let ME in.lol

[ShyBoyCA6]

it has to get better then that, my Lincoln weighs well over 2 tons and it gets 15 MPG, thats with a 5.0

yeah but does your lincoln have 55" rims? lol

[ShyBoyCA6]

John i was referring to the monster Lost posted lol but idk about snooz though.

[lostforawhile]

just do a nice job on it, as it's a very rare car, when you get around to the interior check the yard for late model Mercedes,Cadillac, and Lincoln interior bits, they always look nice and are often used in new limo's, so they have the right look, to effectively move that car, you are going to probably need at least 200 horsepower, think twice the weight twice the power

[JohnDriver]

just do a nice job on it, as it's a very rare car, when you get around to the interior check the yard for late model Mercedes,Cadillac, and Lincoln interior bits, they always look nice and are often used in new limo's, so they have the right look, to effectively move that car, you are going to probably need at least 200 horsepower, think twice the weight twice the power

im sure the power could be had,the prob is gonna be getting it to the ground(without constantly breaking stuff) it had axles shortly before I got it,now its clicking on the pass side. any suggestions for some "toughguy" axles?

my plan for the interior is: I pulled the turnaround seat.it was custom made(more sofa than sport) I replaced it with a second set of stock accord front seats,this allows for a console between the seats(COOLER/CD/DVD CUP HOLDERS ECT)besides 3 across seating?ina honda? so now a max of 5 in the rear or 4 in comfort(the back seat has that handy armrest) and I wont have to worry bout someones head hitting the flip down screen.
besides with the front"turnaround"seats on the factory tracks,you can sit upright ot slide the tracks all forward and recline the seats to snooze(hello first class.lol)
the look Im shooting for is"fast/furious" things like carbon fiber aluminum diamondplate,ect and of course leather,but I did find carbon fiber"look" vinyl
im going for subtle yet racy (sorry if that came off gay):slap:
on the exterior im using carbon look vinyl for the center of the roof (all limos have a vinyl roof for a reason,look at the bondo peeling off the roof in the pics,its not poor workmanship,the car flexes so much there is no way to keep it together,hence the roof covering.and I found carbon black fiberglass(not carbon fiber,but it looks the same and lays the same,but at 1/4 the cost) im going to make trim pieces for the fr/rear doors and the center window surrounds. also im seeking carbon fiber hood/decklid(if you guys know a source???)so the car has a fully carbon fiber "skunk stripe" so that leaves the paint selection to dark colors
(and no fu@kin PINK,one more person tells me to paint it pink:chainsaw: )
so I thought gunmetal gray? black is too funeral,white is for weddings(I HATE,HATE the white) any other color just says I have more money than you,believe me as a chauffeur .I see what is fleet cars and the uber rich bozo with his own stretch car. also dark blue/navy or burgundy it does have burgundy interior(again I HATE,HATE the burgandy int.) I want to find the two tone tan/charcoal int,I absoutely LOVE the two tone int,classy refined,looks like something from bmw.lol

[JohnDriver]

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d156/driverlogistics/Honda%20Accord%20stretch%20limo/DSCI0049.jpg
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[lostforawhile]

you ought to look into a set of the split bench seats like I have in the 90 Lincoln, very comfy and they have full power adjustment, I have the velour not the leather, looks great, and most of the leather interiors look shot out by now, they are very limo like

[Dr_Snooz]

im sure the power could be had,the prob is gonna be getting it to the ground(without constantly breaking stuff) it had axles shortly before I got it,now its clicking on the pass side. any suggestions for some "toughguy" axles?

my plan for the interior is: I pulled the turnaround seat.it was custom made(more sofa than sport) I replaced it with a second set of stock accord front seats,this allows for a console between the seats(COOLER/CD/DVD CUP HOLDERS ECT)besides 3 across seating?ina honda? so now a max of 5 in the rear or 4 in comfort(the back seat has that handy armrest) and I wont have to worry bout someones head hitting the flip down screen.
besides with the front"turnaround"seats on the factory tracks,you can sit upright ot slide the tracks all forward and recline the seats to snooze(hello first class.lol)
the look Im shooting for is"fast/furious" things like carbon fiber aluminum diamondplate,ect and of course leather,but I did find carbon fiber"look" vinyl
im going for subtle yet racy (sorry if that came off gay):slap:
on the exterior im using carbon look vinyl for the center of the roof (all limos have a vinyl roof for a reason,look at the bondo peeling off the roof in the pics,its not poor workmanship,the car flexes so much there is no way to keep it together,hence the roof covering.and I found carbon black fiberglass(not carbon fiber,but it looks the same and lays the same,but at 1/4 the cost) im going to make trim pieces for the fr/rear doors and the center window surrounds. also im seeking carbon fiber hood/decklid(if you guys know a source???)so the car has a fully carbon fiber "skunk stripe" so that leaves the paint selection to dark colors
(and no fu@kin PINK,one more person tells me to paint it pink:chainsaw: )
so I thought gunmetal gray? black is too funeral,white is for weddings(I HATE,HATE the white) any other color just says I have more money than you,believe me as a chauffeur .I see what is fleet cars and the uber rich bozo with his own stretch car. also dark blue/navy or burgundy it does have burgundy interior(again I HATE,HATE the burgandy int.) I want to find the two tone tan/charcoal int,I absoutely LOVE the two tone int,classy refined,looks like something from bmw.lol

Sounds like you have your vision. Just gotta execute now. For your axles, I'd say try the EMPI axles from drivewire.com (http://www.drivewire.com/search/?Ntt=axle&N=0&uts=true&t_event=true). The last set of axles I got clacked out of the box. They were Napa axles too, so they shouldn't have been junk but they were. The EMPIs are working really well for me though.

I think someone on here was trying to sell a CF hood. Not sure if that's still the case. If you watch eBay, they pop up from time to time.

You're right. I don't believe you get 32 mpg. If you do, then I'd say don't change a thing. It's unreal for a car that heavy to get such good mileage. Expect anything you change to halve that number. And let's face it, gas is only going to get more expensive as time goes on.

I'm totally looking forward to following your build.

[A18A]

i think one of these colors would suit it
http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l292/87lxiaccord/nancy/DSCF1210.jpg
http://i637.photobucket.com/albums/uu98/RobT5580/DSCN1356.jpg
http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/1951/dsc00341jx6.jpg

[2ndGenGuy]

I definitely think you should go all out madman on this thing. It's already a limo, so it's pretty crazy as it is! Think about the awesome 3geez meets you could have with this thing. Show up at a meet and haul everybody down to a bar and such! What better way to 3geez party it up?

[2geetrey]

You're in Texas and have a limo it needs a set or horns on the hood :D

[mushroom_toy]

No offense but its not all that low. :)

[2oodoor]

just curious JohnDriver, since you know the limos, how well do the other front wheel drive limos hold up. like the caddys and buicks etc.?
I love this car, more now than a year ago. I like the new wheels, bet there lighter weight.
I wonder if a wrap would work on that car. There is a nice carbon fiber wrap vinyl out now, heck even some with graphics of skulls and shtuff too.
I think once you get a few dozen more horses under the hood it will be easier on clutches. This would keep from having to slip it so much to get it to pull off. LIke I mentioned before the least expensive way to get there would be a weber 38, header (loose the heavy cast manifold) and some light weight exhaust plumbing.
Every 50-100 lbs you take out makes a huge difference, I know it has with every Honda Ive owned.
As for theme I would look around at some tour buses for ideas rather than F and F. There are some wild looking designs out there now days.

[forrest89sei]

Carbon Fiber Hood -> http://www.andysautosport.com/honda/1986_1989_accord/exterior/hoods/carbon_fiber_hoods/carbon_efx/cefx00166513.html

The picture isn't correct though

This one has pics http://www.carbodykits.com/RACEONUSA-Carbon-Fiber-OEM-Hood-Honda-Accord-86-89-2-4-Door.html

[88LXi68]

do it up to the extreme

[JohnDriver]

i think one of these colors would suit it
http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l292/87lxiaccord/nancy/DSCF1210.jpg
http://i637.photobucket.com/albums/uu98/RobT5580/DSCN1356.jpg
http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/1951/dsc00341jx6.jpg
thinkin your pretty on the money,those are about the colors I thought too.:uh:

[JohnDriver]

No offense but its not all that low. :)
first off the pic in your post looks tuff.I like the stance.what wheel/tire do you run,and did you cut anything?
I cant run the 18" rims the car wont move.(the tires hit the wheel wells)
thats what was on it when I got it. the shorty springs with adjusters rode like a minitruck.so I bought a set of progressive lowering springs(the guy on clist said he installed them on a customers car,the cust.saw it and said no way too low) so I put them on mine(at twice the weight) it collapses the springs all but 1-11/2 coil.I only get about 2-2 1/2" of travel before the susp.bottoms.lol but the ride is really smoth(even for lowered vehicles)
my new plan is to set the progressives on the adjusters and it should ride ok till I get the airbags.
I also have a set of progressive springs off a 90s honda/acura dont rember if it was prelude ? any how I remember it being larger than my (stock)honda body,so prob heavier springs.or mix/match(use all the fronts) to carry the weight. it looks cool as hell where its at but not real practical. so the goal is to dig it outta the weeds.im on stock 2000 civis si rims(15") and 185/65 15" that I had layin around.

[mushroom_toy]

Thanks. :) I only run 14 or 15" wheels 16" max. Just running 550lb in front and 450lb in rear aerospeed coilover sleeves. Stock accord struts(new) in front and civic struts in rear. Extended tophats in front though for full travel. My cars lower than in that pic now. Im at the point now where I have to start cutting holes in things to go any lower. :) The king of low here is Cory (Hondamonster) def check out his thread if you wanna stance this thing! I think the limo idea would look badass slammed. :)

Edit: btw wheels in pic are 15x7 with a 195/50/15

[JohnDriver]

just curious JohnDriver, since you know the limos, how well do the other front wheel drive limos hold up. like the caddys and buicks etc.?
I love this car, more now than a year ago. I like the new wheels, bet there lighter weight.
I wonder if a wrap would work on that car. There is a nice carbon fiber wrap vinyl out now, heck even some with graphics of skulls and shtuff too.
I think once you get a few dozen more horses under the hood it will be easier on clutches. This would keep from having to slip it so much to get it to pull off. LIke I mentioned before the least expensive way to get there would be a weber 38, header (loose the heavy cast manifold) and some light weight exhaust plumbing.
Every 50-100 lbs you take out makes a huge difference, I know it has with every Honda Ive owned.
As for theme I would look around at some tour buses for ideas rather than F and F. There are some wild looking designs out there now days.

all ive heard the 90s fwd caddy limos did as well as the stock cars(pos) but the new Cadillac cars have a central light system that uses light filimants(a real pain to stretch,so few companys do) also I have seen some chryslers and they have electrical issues. to be honest all limousines are real pos(compared to the stock version) once you cut a car completely in half and weld in a piece it gets weird,they always have some system that quits or acts up. front a/c,rear a/c,lighting systems.then the chronic problems that the factory cars had.coupled with draging another dead cars weight. the honda eats clutches/axles.it only has 150k mi.on it.
just like in trucks,autos burn up so manual is the best workhorse tranny.thats what I liked about it(also hondas run forever) my other long car is a 1969 checker aerobus(8door,12 pass) google it.lol a beast,and indestructible ,they werent stretched,the factory built them to be that long.(so no growing pains lol.) I have heard the hummer stretch is o.k. but the hummer superstretch.eats the frontends out in months,not years.It is a labor of love.
the wrap is a good idea,but expensive,for the grand or two I was quoted I can do a sweet paintjob(im a paint/body guy)but for a non painter,go for it(I just found out the new black&white cop cars are wraps)
and as far as the clutch,ill try to explain. its not like I have to rev it and dump the clutch to go,I throttle up very little and eas of the clutch,as soon as I feel the rpm rise over my rolling speed(clutch slippage) i ease back on the gas till it grabs.then accelerate. I will prob.have a custom clutch made with alot of springs in it.like a truck clutch.(my dad ran a clutch reman shop) its just finding the time/money/inclination.in the same time frame.lol
I think lightning this beast is a moot point.yes I know it works on a stock car(I just cutup a parts honda,wasnt much to it.)but the goobs in hockeyland made every brace and panel from 1/8"steel plate,sheesh,what were they thinkin'.
anyhow I'm just the dude,It's,just a car. I feel better just knowin I'm the dude in this car.lmfao.:flip:
(seriously thanks for allthe 3geez support.):crying:

[JohnDriver]

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d156/driverlogistics/Honda%20Accord%20stretch%20limo/0929091528a.jpg
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d156/driverlogistics/Honda%20Accord%20stretch%20limo/0929091529.jpg
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d156/driverlogistics/Honda%20Accord%20stretch%20limo/0929091530.jpg
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d156/driverlogistics/Honda%20Accord%20stretch%20limo/0929091530a.jpg
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d156/driverlogistics/Honda%20Accord%20stretch%20limo/accordvshummer-2.jpg

[A18A]

haha that accord looks cute next to that

[Tdurr]

dude that is such a badass car.

[Vanilla Sky]

You should be able to get a V6 from an Acura Vigor (Legend? I can't remember? in there. It's very close to the same chassis. Parts availability for that motor is worse than the A series, and there aren't many left. Another option would be the JDM B series that is pretty popular around here. If you can find one at an importer here, it's because they ordered it by mistake and will let it go CHEAP. I saw a front cut with a B20 and a manual transmission for $600 bucks once.

For exterior, I'm betting you can vinyl wrap it yourself for less than $500.

http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=376442

I like your car a whole lot, but it looks like those are all in very bad condition. Yours looks the best out of all I've seen.

[2oodoor]

yes, well I know the new cars do not let you modifiy the electrical system etc. , the whole system is dependant on signal trace resistance so no adding wire or splicing in to other circuits. Makes it real tough for outfitters of customs.

As for wraps, I do paint and body too and if there is a way to cover up something so it looks great and eliminates the headache of blocking mud, primer and old paint well then Im all for it :lol:

[Dr_Snooz]

For exterior, I'm betting you can vinyl wrap it yourself for less than $500.

http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=376442


That's an excellent DIY. Thanks for posting it.

[JohnDriver]

yes, well I know the new cars do not let you modifiy the electrical system etc. , the whole system is dependant on signal trace resistance so no adding wire or splicing in to other circuits. Makes it real tough for outfitters of customs.

As for wraps, I do paint and body too and if there is a way to cover up something so it looks great and eliminates the headache of blocking mud, primer and old paint well then Im all for it :lol:

then you know how much im dreading the rotisserie that it needs. I mean its got two white paint jobs ant the second was an elcheapo,and it was built with 1987 bondo.lol I have myself talked into a temporary color change(so I can decide the final color) then it will all come off,when it gets dipped.(planning to take it apart in 2013,when it hits 25yrs) then reassemble it for another 25 yr run.:birthday:
also the fort worth transportation office and dfw airport ground transportation dept. will allow you to get a permit to operate as an antique.
I intend to put it back to work. the car has some issues wrap wont hide(dent/chipping bondo in the rt side stretch panel and bumpers flaking pretty bad. im planning to get fiberglass bumpers/ground effects. going for subtle custom. factory wing simple facias and modded trunk hinges to open up and away. thought bout euro fixed lights,but nixed that in favor of keeping the flips(ill use halogen bulbs in euro glass housings) besides the 3 gee was the first family car EVER to have hidden headlamps
havent a clue what to do to the taillights???
thought bout cutting the quarters and fitting the 90 and up taillights(they come in euro clear.) any suggestions im not just gonna hack it,ill cut the quarters of a donor and graft them on proper.also thought bout removing the trunk tail panel and filling it with sheet metal? going for a smoother look,tring to keep the flavor yet make it mine :rly:

[Vanilla Sky]

I'd personally leave the tails as-is. You can make the stock ones look good, it just takes the right paint and smoke. A tail light swap won't ever look right, unless you're putting Legend tail lights in, which follow the lines pretty closely.

[2oodoor]

I'd personally leave the tails as-is. You can make the stock ones look good, it just takes the right paint and smoke. A tail light swap won't ever look right, unless you're putting Legend tail lights in, which follow the lines pretty closely.

x2, no way I would use 4 gen parts on that beauty but I do agree they make some nice looking tails for those.
That vw passat spoiler would look goood on it though, likes very similar to one mykwikcoupe got from mark.

[JohnDriver]

x2, no way I would use 4 gen parts on that beauty but I do agree they make some nice looking tails for those.
That vw passat spoiler would look goood on it though, likes very similar to one mykwikcoupe got from mark.

I had thought of using acura parts including the vigor and integra. In fact I had considered cutting from the rear doors back and swap the back off a 4 dr integra of the same years(what are those 1st/2nd gen?) but they are hatches and I like the trunk back.it looks more limo like. the acura line is more appropriate (being luxury and all).I was looking at the integra front sheet metal.it should bolt on.found a acura leather wraped steering wheel(identical to honda including the cruise buttons) but the junk yard crushed it before I got back to pull it. I know you guys are 3rd gen nutz(thats why were all here) but im more about corporate loyalty.I put a chevy v8 in my chevy luv(even tho the ford 302 is a much easier swap)yes I know it is a izuzu underneath.:tongue:
this forum is more of a "thinking out loud" sounding board for me(thanks!!!)
I still have alot of ideas rollin round my head .this project is such a blank canvas.:banghead:

[A18A]

I have heaps of ideas that I think would make it look good. they're just my personal tastes, but might as well share lol.

I reckon those aftermarket red/clear tail lights you can get for our cars would look good on it, with a vigor garnish, some how making the garnish match the lights though
http://img200.imageshack.us/img200/1028/img00317201103281014.jpg

another thing that I think would look good is the oem door mouldings with the chrome strip in them & facelift bumpers

If only I had photoshop

[Vanilla Sky]

The Integra rear would have to be widened a considerable amount. The Vigor rear would look pretty close to what you have now. The body lines are pretty similar. The Vigor has box flares on the front and back, which might not look good on something long like your limo. Grafting those box flares in would give you more room for wide wheels, though.

For slightly different tail lights, you do have the option for the JDM Vigor tail lights. They swap directly in with no body mods required. I think that would look good on the limo.

For a nice wheel, look for a third generation Prelude wheel. They're a really nicely shaped 3 spoke steering wheel.

[visal911]

Because race car

[lostforawhile]

if you cut the body, you are going to end up with a mess, they probably went to a lot of trouble to stretch the unibody already, start cutting the wrong thing and the entire car might come apart, best to leave that alone, plus the body is an original real limo, if you cut it up, it's not anymore

[JohnDriver]

ok IM just learning the vigors what years were close to our hondas,and on the taillights you do know there are two sizes? mine is an 87 but the set of 89 sei taillights I bought are to big for the holes??WTF is it just the sei? or were they 86-87/88-89??
the big prob I had was noone offered the clear lights for 87 accord.(on ebay)
hell I might just mod my quarters to accept the 89 lights.I do want to use the integra bumper due to a space for the license plate,then ill swap for a vigor tailpiece or smooth over the center section(I have 2 decklids to experiment with)

[forrest89sei]

ok IM just learning the vigors what years were close to our hondas,and on the taillights you do know there are two sizes? mine is an 87 but the set of 89 sei taillights I bought are to big for the holes??WTF is it just the sei? or were they 86-87/88-89??
the big prob I had was noone offered the clear lights for 87 accord.(on ebay)
hell I might just mod my quarters to accept the 89 lights.I do want to use the integra bumper due to a space for the license plate,then ill swap for a vigor tailpiece or smooth over the center section(I have 2 decklids to experiment with)

You would need a Trunk Lid off a 1988-89 Accord to use the 88-89 Lights

They did make make a older style light on the 85-87 Vigors

These are 85-87 Accord JDM Tail's they Direct fit in place of your 86-87 USDM Lights

http://img38.imageshack.us/img38/4886/s5302157medium.jpg
http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/6589/s5302219medium.jpg

and heres the 85-87 Vigor Style, That is Direct fit to your 86-87 USDM Trunk

http://imagehost.wohdog.sytes.net/Uploads/2008-9-1317330P9110007.JPG
http://imagehost.wohdog.sytes.net/Uploads/2008-9-13173311P9110008.JPG
http://imagehost.wohdog.sytes.net/Uploads/2008-9-13173333P9110009.JPG
http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/ff295/88vigor/100_9102Large.jpg

[forrest89sei]

Fixed

[A18A]

lol @ my old shitty sub

[2oodoor]

Wow I had no idea about the 85-87 jdm lights being different, I only knew of the JDM Vigor lights with different bumper to accomdate tag.
The Vigor lights would make it look "Lincolnish" like a Mark III aka taurus hull.
I kinda like those 85-87 lights for my own car!

[JohnDriver]

as a side note the sei lights were taller (or hang down lower) all the dimensions match,cept at the bottom the sei lights have an attached black plastic plate that says SEI where my quarters have a lower panel(between lamp and bumper) that says LX. I should dig them out and measure them.

[forrest89sei]

as a side note the sei lights were taller (or hang down lower) all the dimensions match,cept at the bottom the sei lights have an attached black plastic plate that says SEI where my quarters have a lower panel(between lamp and bumper) that says LX. I should dig them out and measure them.

Yes if there off a Coupe, Coupe Lights won't fit on a Sedan

[lostforawhile]

Wow I had no idea about the 85-87 jdm lights being different, I only knew of the JDM Vigor lights with different bumper to accomdate tag.
The Vigor lights would make it look "Lincolnish" like a Mark III aka taurus hull.
I kinda like those 85-87 lights for my own car!
yes a Mark III is just a tortoise with more electrical gremlins

[JohnDriver]

Yes if there off a Coupe, Coupe Lights won't fit on a Sedan

ok,just soas I follow you.its not the year difference? its the coupe/sedan?
Fn great,well I guess I found my excuse to buy a coupe..lol
theres a guy around the corner with one,I have been wanting one for a while.:thumbup:
and you guys gotta catch me up to speed,WTF is:
Mark III is just a tortoise
Vigor lights would make it look "Lincolnish" like a Mark III aka taurus hull
please explain ALL the nouns.lol:bow:
kinda years make model north american/euro/japan?
THANKS guys!!!!

[forrest89sei]

ok,just soas I follow you.its not the year difference? its the coupe/sedan?
Fn great,well I guess I found my excuse to buy a coupe..lol
theres a guy around the corner with one,I have been wanting one for a while.:thumbup:
and you guys gotta catch me up to speed,WTF is:
Mark III is just a tortoise
Vigor lights would make it look "Lincolnish" like a Mark III aka taurus hull
please explain ALL the nouns.lol:bow:
kinda years make model north american/euro/japan?
THANKS guys!!!!

The 3rd Gen Accord Coupes were made starting 1988-1989, They also hold alot of history as they were the first Japanese Car to be built in america and exported to Japan, The JDM Accord Coupe was no diffirent from the american one except for the Front Corners and a couple Honda of America Badges, It was even exported to Japan RHD.

So now that we've learned our little bit of history, Yes Only Coupe Tails will fit on a coupe, The Tails have the black plastic on them where a Sedan has Metal.

Ok now what fits your car with no mods?

Well being a 1987, Any 1986-1987 USDM Accord Sedan Tails
Any 1985-1986 JDM/EDM Sedan/Saloon Tail Lights From a Accord

Ok what fits your car with Minor Mods? Well if you get a trunk lid from a 1988-89 Sedan then you can use the 1988-1989 Accord Sedan Tail Lights

Ok What About JDM Vigor? Well as I've posted They come in 2 Flavors, theres your 1985-1986 and then theres your 1987-1989 (Facelift)

With your Current Trunk Lid you can fit 1985-1986 JDM Vigor Lights, If you can get someone to send you the Plate Holder, or if you do something Custom for the plate, your Set everything bolts into place

If you install a 1988-89 Accord Trunk, then you can use the Lights that were offered on the 1987-89 JDM Vigor, It still requires you having to mount the plate somewhere else, but the 1988-89 USDM Accord Tail lights are the same as the 87-89 JDM Accord Tail Lights, so all you need is the Vigor Trunk Part to convert.

Ok now Pics of Each thing!

1986-1987 USDM Accord Sedan: http://static.cargurus.com/images/site/2008/01/06/17/29/1987_honda_accord_sedan_lx-pic-3264.jpeg

1988-1989 USDM Accord Sedan: http://static.cargurus.com/images/site/2008/11/03/01/30/1988_honda_accord_sedan_lx-pic-3345.jpeg

1985-1986 JDM/EDM Accord Sedan: http://img38.imageshack.us/img38/4886/s5302157medium.jpg

1985-1986 JDM Vigor: http://imagehost.wohdog.sytes.net/Uploads/2008-9-13173311P9110008.JPG

1987-1989 JDM Vigor: http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s248/87vigor/a4079dd1.jpg

As Far as All these Lincoln Terms, I have no Idea, I've never been into them lol

I Hope this helps you

Forrest

[A18A]

just remember if you want the vigor center, you will have to weld in a bit of metal where the accord has the dip thing under the number plate area

[JohnDriver]

THANKS GUYS
now I'm on the hunt,I really like the vigor tail setup but if I cant find the center panel I'll just smooth it and move the Backup lamps to the bumper.
I really like the vigor lights with the turn in the ends,just cause it isnt like the us version,or any clears.but now I have alot more keywords.lol :thumbup:

[A18A]

if you go for the vigor rear, i'll have a facelift number plate housing you can buy off me lol

[forrest89sei]

if you go for the vigor rear, i'll have a facelift number plate housing you can buy off me lol

I think he's going to need help from you or Aaron to find the Early Vigor Trunk Part and JDM Tails

[JohnDriver]

hey,if I find one(s)what is a reasonable price for the vigor center in good shape? and what about the taillights? or the clear taillights? THANKS
:rice:

[JohnDriver]

some old pics from when I first got it:barf:

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d156/driverlogistics/Honda%20Accord%20stretch%20limo/0201081216.jpg
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d156/driverlogistics/Honda%20Accord%20stretch%20limo/0201081215c.jpg
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d156/driverlogistics/Honda%20Accord%20stretch%20limo/0201081214.jpg
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d156/driverlogistics/Honda%20Accord%20stretch%20limo/0101010102110116022008012549d404b4b2016fafa1002763 .jpg
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d156/driverlogistics/Honda%20Accord%20stretch%20limo/0101-1.jpg

[cygnus x-1]

Quite a unique project you have!

I think for the engine I would go one of two ways. Either a turbo A20 or a turbo B18. The turbo will give you enough torque to move all that weight, and being 4-cyls they will easily fit without serious chopping. Obviously the A20 would be more period correct (being original) but the B18 would have more aftermarket support. The B18 will also have more support in terms of transmission mods. With that much weight you will need a tough transmission. Clutchnet makes some tough clutches for either engine so you might consider them.


C|

[adamus]

needs less 20's more slammed on 13"x8" watanabe's

[hammer3rd]

For that projest I would go with a sroked B20B or Z. They will make more uesable torque ata much lower rpm to all that weight. The turbo is a great thing but a well built stroker motor will out preform a turbo with way less service and tuning.

[JohnDriver]

finally got around to tinkering with the carb. the float level was too high. and it was overfilling the bowl. got it set better. prob needs more tweaking.

I got a gig with bobspropshop.com so Im really focusing on my prop cars(BTTF delorean,KITT,and ECTO-1.) that we are building at the shop.

anyone interested in the honda limo? I cut the price in half $2500.00
had 2 offers last time for 25/3000.
is that a fair price? I think I was a little high before. but really didnt want to part with it.(its my favorite car to drive)
but I think it needs a better home.someone on here would take good care of it.

[griffs68]

did you ever sale this?

[Natefarish]

This exact car is in my drivway!

[AccordB20A]

and why arent you posting pics and making it awesome?

[MessyHonda]

any updates?

[Dr_Snooz]

Troll.