Which are the hoses I need for my Denso AC conversion?

[ADRIANFARINA]

http://www.hondapartsnow.com/diagrams/large/a-c-hoses-pipes-458998.png


I'll order everything new , I can't find used parts.

thanks

[ADRIANFARINA]

Ref
No. Part No. Description Vehicle
Origin Req
Qty. Retail
Price Your
Price Qty.
Cart
2 80874-SL0-900 O-RING (3/8") JPN, USA 6 $4.35 $3.15
3 80871-SL0-900 O-RING (5/8 INCH) JPN, USA 3 $4.35 $3.15
4 38687-SB2-003 CLIP, RECEIVER PIPE JPN, USA 3 $6.10 $4.42
5 38692-680-960 GROMMET, LIQUID PIPE (NOT AVAILABLE) JPN, USA 1 -- --
6 38710-SE0-L00 WIRE HARNESS A, AIR CONDITIONER (NOT AVAILABLE) JPN, USA 1 -- --
7 38725-SA5-003 DIODE ASSY. (NOT AVAILABLE) JPN, USA 1 -- --
9 80490-SM4-A01 RELAY ASSY., POWER (DENSO) JPN, USA 1 $38.67 $28.03
10 80310-SE0-A01 HOSE, SUCTION (KEIHIN) (NOT AVAILABLE) JPN 1 -- --
10 80310-SE0-A11 HOSE, SUCTION (KEIHIN) (KC COMPRESSOR) (FOR A150L-B) JPN, USA 1 $89.60 $64.12
11 80315-SE0-A11 HOSE, DISCHARGE (KEIHIN) (KC COMPRESSOR) JPN, USA 1 $149.68 $107.13
12 80320-SE0-A01 PIPE A, RECEIVER JPN 1 $126.75 $91.89
12 80320-SE0-A11 PIPE A, RECEIVER (NOT AVAILABLE) JPN, USA 1 -- --
13 80321-SE0-A01 PIPE B, RECEIVER (NOT AVAILABLE) JPN 1 -- --
13 80321-SE0-A11 PIPE B, RECEIVER (NOT AVAILABLE) JPN, USA 1 -- --
14 80322-SE0-A02 PIPE C, RECEIVER JPN 1 $97.28 $70.53
14 80322-SE0-A11 PIPE C, RECEIVER
Replaced by: 80322-SE0-A12 JPN, USA 1 $94.22 $68.31
15 80325-SE0-971 PIPE, CONDENSER (SHOWA) JPN 1 $33.53 $24.31
15 80325-SE0-A11 PIPE, CONDENSER JPN, USA 1 $35.97 $26.08
16 80330-SE0-A02 PIPE, SUCTION JPN 1 $82.65 $59.15
16 80330-SE0-A10 PIPE, SUCTION
Replaced by: 80330-SE0-H11 JPN, USA 1 $75.63 $54.83
17 80340-SE0-970 RECEIVER ASSY. (W/BRACKET) JPN 1 $81.48 $59.07
18 80345-SE0-A11 RECEIVER (W/O BRACKETS) JPN, USA 1 $81.48 $59.07
19 80346-SE0-970 BRACKET, RECEIVER TANK (NOT AVAILABLE) JPN, USA 1 -- --
20 80351-SE0-A01 STAY, SUCTION HOSE (NOT AVAILABLE) JPN, USA 1 -- --
21 80354-SE0-A01 CLAMP, SUCTION PIPE (NOT AVAILABLE) JPN, USA 1 -- --
22 80355-SE0-A00 CLAMP, SUCTION PIPE (NOT AVAILABLE) JPN, USA 1 -- --
23 80356-SE0-A00 STAY, SUCTION PIPE (NOT AVAILABLE) JPN, USA 1 -- --
24 80357-SE0-A00 HOLDER, SUCTION PIPE (NOT AVAILABLE) JPN, USA 1 -- --
25 80360-SE0-013 CLAMP A, SUCTION HOSE JPN, USA 2 $7.42 $5.38
26 80361-SE0-000 HOLDER, DISCHARGE HOSE JPN, USA 1 $7.58 $5.50
27 80370-SE0-A00 CLAMP A, RECEIVER PIPE (NOT AVAILABLE) JPN, USA 1 -- --
28 80371-SE0-A00 CLAMP B, RECEIVER PIPE (NOT AVAILABLE) JPN, USA 1 -- --
29 80373-SE0-A00 CLAMP, RECEIVER PIPE JPN, USA 3 $8.65 $6.27
31 80380-SE0-000 GROMMET, SUCTION PIPE (NOT AVAILABLE) JPN, USA 1 -- --
32 80440-SE0-003 SWITCH, AIR CONDITIONING (DUAL) JPN, USA 1 $53.07 $38.47
33 90131-SE0-000 BOLT, SPECIAL (8X45) JPN, USA 1 $4.68 $3.40
34 91315-SE0-A11 O-RING (1/2 INCH) (PARKER) JPN, USA 2 $2.75 $1.99
35 91619-SA5-000 GROMMET, SCREW (6MM) JPN, USA 4 $2.77 $2.01
36 93403-06012-08 BOLT-WASHER (6X12) JPN, USA 1 $0.95 $0.69
37 93403-06016-08 BOLT-WASHER (6X16) JPN, USA 9 $0.88 $0.64
38 93904-26120 SCREW, TAPPING (6X12) JPN, USA 3 $0.65 $0.47
39 93904-46220 SCREW, TAPPING (6X16) JPN, USA 4 $0.65 $0.47

[ADRIANFARINA]

also , isn;t it possible to get the compressors manifold by itself?

http://www.hondapartsnow.com/diagrams/large/a-c-compressor-denso-458994.png

[Oldblueaccord]

Here stateside with have shops that make hydraulic hoses. They usually can make AC hoses also. Hydraulic as in moving fluid under high pressure like on a dump truck, bulldozer. I hope my explanation is good.

I think you will have to have hoses made.

wp

[gp02a0083]

really all you will need from the first picture is #10 and #11. The second picture you need #7 dont forget the bolts and adjuster. I'm going on a junkyard run in a few weeks, if i find a denso until ill pull the stuff for you.

[ADRIANFARINA]

Where can I see the manifold that connects the hoses to the compressor?

[ADRIANFARINA]

according to the list 10 and 11 are for a Keihin

[88Accord-DX]

I've never done this conversion, but the basic principle is to replace only the hoses that go onto the compressor & see if the hoses fit to your fittings... Replace all the O-rings where you connect new lines/ disconnecting. Replace the accumulator/drier on this job with PAG oil & pull a good vacuum w/ gauges after all is said & done to make sure the system will hold a charge. Good luck. :)

[Buzo]

I just installed a Denso compressor in my car. it originally had the Nippon-Denso one.

I found a Mazda MPV SUV in the junkyard. I bought the A/C hoses and the manifold from it.

Then I hired a hydraulic connections shop to make new hoses for me. In "the car side" of the hose they soldered the original Honda connectors and in the compressor side they soldered the Mazda's connectors. I had to design a whole new route for the hoses since the new connectors are too different from the original ones. Used several tie wraps to keep the hoses away of the heat and rubbing against the chassis.

If you are looking for the manifold alone, look in the parts store for the Mazda MPV and hopefully they sold it separately, and I believe ANY modern car which uses R134a will have the connectors to fit that manifold. In my case I used the connectors and 1" of the metal tube only, and scrapped the rest of the hoses.

And finally, responding to your question - only hoses 10 and 11 need to be rebuilt.

[POS carb]

You only need discharge and suction hoses #10 and #11,
However, there are 3 different versions of each (total of 6 different part numbers)
one for Keihin
one for Denso 10p15e
one for Denso 10pa15e

they are not interchangable
I am not sure which OE number corresponds to which hose.
I couldn't find any manifolds for sale, my new compressor didn't bring one.

[POS carb]

wow,
according to http://estore.honda.com/honda/parts/view-honda-parts-catalog-detail.asp?m=1989-accord-4-lx-4at&sn=&b=BOP05&dl=#
there are even more options overseas, 12 different suction and 12 discharge lines


:eek:

[ADRIANFARINA]

I see Kia also uses this compressor.. 10pa15

[Buzo]

I personally invested more than 100 USD between manifold, new hoses and connectors, I was thinking that with that money I could hire my local tool shop to build the manifold to match my OEM hoses to the Denso compressor. Just bring the two compressors to the shop and let them create the interface.

[ADRIANFARINA]

It'll cost much more than 100$..

[Buzo]

It'll cost much more than 100$..

Think about it. The Denso compressor comes with a metal plaque of 1/4" covering the ports.

So holes can be drilled in the plaque to hold the OEM manifold (which luckily is smaller) and keep your OEM hoses and routing. You don't even need to invest in material!

Even if you need to buy a new 2x3x1/2" plaque, how expensive can it be?

[ADRIANFARINA]

I thought abot producing the manifold by myself.
You already did that?

[Buzo]

No, I didn't do it because I didn't think about it before. I am just saying what I would do if I was in your situation.

[rc00netzero]

suction hose 80310-SE0-A31 is listed as not available from hondapartsnow but might be avail elsewhere
Honda Part: HOSE, DISCHARGE (DENSO)
Part NO.: 80315-SE0-A31
shows still available

[Oldblueaccord]

I just installed a Denso compressor in my car. it originally had the Nippon-Denso one.

I found a Mazda MPV SUV in the junkyard. I bought the A/C hoses and the manifold from it.

Then I hired a hydraulic connections shop to make new hoses for me. In "the car side" of the hose they soldered the original Honda connectors and in the compressor side they soldered the Mazda's connectors. I had to design a whole new route for the hoses since the new connectors are too different from the original ones. Used several tie wraps to keep the hoses away of the heat and rubbing against the chassis.

If you are looking for the manifold alone, look in the parts store for the Mazda MPV and hopefully they sold it separately, and I believe ANY modern car which uses R134a will have the connectors to fit that manifold. In my case I used the connectors and 1" of the metal tube only, and scrapped the rest of the hoses.

And finally, responding to your question - only hoses 10 and 11 need to be rebuilt.


I tried to tell him all that on a couple of other threads I don't think hes understanding fully.


wp

[ADRIANFARINA]

I do understand ,
it's just that these cars are not so popular here ,
3G Accords we don't have at all .. mine is the only one in the country.

I wanted a picture of the MPV plate because I needed a basic idea of what I should fabricate.
I think I'll fabricate it to fit my original hoses.
the plate will connect on one side to the Denso comp. and on the other side to my original (Keihin) hoses.

I need to make a square plate with two holes drilled through it for the gaz to pass..

[rc00netzero]

While I am sure a manifold could be fabricated - I think it may be more complex than you realize. Getting a proper sealing area for the o-rings is going to be the hard part. Even if there are no AC shops in your area that can make custom ac hoses - it would still probably be cheaper and easier to have custom hoses made over the internet.

Of course if you just like the idea of making something - go for it. :)

The manifold will need to have:

1. At least 3 (pref 4 ) bolt holes to hold it to the Comp (easy).

2. Two holes on the outside which lead to the correct ports on the Comp and these holes must have a the right diameter for the "nipple" on the hose an the correct size shoulder/taper for the o-ring to seal. To accomidate this the plate will probably have to be 1/2 to 3/4 inch thick. (hard)

3. Two more "blind" holes on the outside - correctly spaced from the other holes and threaded to accept the bolt that holds each hose to the manifold. This is part of the reason for the thickness. (easy if you measure precisely)

4. On the comp side there will be at least 2 holes which will have to line up with 2 of the 4 ports on the comp and may have to be larger than holes on the hose side ( I don't recall if the o-ring sealing shoulder is on the comp or the manifold ) This single plate design assumes there is no real need for the open chamber I have seen on other manifolds.

The manifold on my comp was actually 2 pieces - a flat plate about 1/4 inch thick with 8 holes (4 bolt,4 gas) and a cast/billet aluminum "cap" with 3 bolt holes, one hole for each hose nipple, and on the compressor side, a square cavity that spanned 2 ports (grooved for a rectangular o-ring) and 2 interconnected ports (about 1/2 inch dia. with 1 o-ring each, also grooved ). To assemble it required 6 big o-rings and a rectangular o-ring, plus 2 smaller o-rings for the hoses.

Good luck

[ADRIANFARINA]

I'm thinking about taking the Keihin manifold and weld it to an adapter plate that will match the Denso comp.

sound smart , will check it out..

[Buzo]

I'm thinking about taking the Keihin manifold and weld it to an adapter plate that will match the Denso comp.

sound smart , will check it out..

Exactly! There is plenty of room between the compressor and the radiator to put the adapter plate. Even if it needs to be 1" thick, it will easily fit.


Just bring the two compressors to the shop and let them create the interface.

[88Accord-DX]

Good post rc00netzero

Hopefully your good at welding aluminum on this kind of fabrication mod. :)