B18B1 Build and Swap - Rendon LX-I [Archive] - 3geez.com - Classic Honda Accord & Prelude Forum

Rendon LX-i

06-13-2011, 06:53 AM

Well im letting go of something good for something better LOL. ya ya i alread know what you guys gonna say Anywho

I post pics once i get home.

You guys know so far i have a B16a and I just bought a complete B18b1 last night. APr head studs and redo the main and rod bearing for a tighter clearance. 12 lbs should be 300whp.

Pics to your comp near you.

B series swap info:

First off this project can be cheap, expensive, or nothing depending on your sources. But I'm going to give the info I researched an trail an fail lol.

Motor: I'm Ls Vtec which means using a non Vtec block an mating it with a Vtec head. Now you can run non Vtec or Vtec up to you but I wanted a beast so I buildt mine.

Wiring: I'm using a bloomslang jumper harness that was made for my chassis . You have to call bloomslang an tell em you want one made for a 86-89 accord. Only flaw about the harness is the ckp wires are not shielded which 2 bucks can get you the amount needed at Home Depot (shielded 18-2 wire) make sure you have these wires correct or you will not start. Harness uses your existing plugs as your AC solenoid connector for your iac an your fast idle control solenoid (in your black box as your) as your 12+ icm wire. Pretty much it an I took apart my engine bay harness an took out what I did not need an wanted an swapped plugs. You going to have to put a obd1 Ect,iacv,dizzys,Vtec (if have) tps,Iat, CONNECTORS on your existing harness. The jumper harness provides a extension harness to wire up (4) wire o2 sensor an extra crap if you have gsr with 2nd throttle body's. (pics in thread)

Note: IF YOUR 86-87 an have a vss code (17) YOU NEED A 89 CLUSTER to fix this problem.

Transmission: has to be cable unless you decide to swap clusters an do the required wiring to run eletro vss.

Axles: have to use a mid shaft from 90-93 integra,gsr. Has to be female to male!!!!!!! Remember has to be that in order to run the axles I'm about to mention. You can use 94-98 teg mid shaft but you would have to a different seal on the cable trans also have to use 94-94 axle which are made for that midshaft.

Driver - 89 lude (has to be this year not 90 or 91 those years have bigger hub which have a bigger shaft will not fit are hubs )
Pass - 90-93 integra fits like a glove .

Running this with no problems. All this hybrid axle crap makes no sense with this you can just buy one an swap it out.

Shift linkage: you can just swap ends from a 90-93 integra (but I tryed that an was to long) my tip is to tack weld it an test fit it when it feels like it shifts fine . Burn it in. Install bastard pin an your set.

Common facts: you need to be fuel injected an obd1. If your not this is the perfect chance to do it. None of your A20 parts will fit a b series so don't ask. This swap is not cheap so get a civic if you want a easy swap. If you can't basic tech work you shouldn't be working on a car period.

Ill add pics an edit this once I get my Internet back lol. Pics are threw out the thread so start studying .

2ndGenGuy

06-13-2011, 09:41 AM

Sweet! Can't wait to see the build man! PICS!!!

88lxi-shortram

06-13-2011, 09:44 AM

im following bro :D

Rendon LX-i

06-13-2011, 10:18 AM

Pics tonight guys . . But I got a feeling I'll be up in running soon

gfrg88

06-13-2011, 11:14 AM

sweet, looking forward to this build :thumbup:

Tdurr

06-13-2011, 12:57 PM

Oh snap. He isn't playing around!

88lxi-shortram

06-13-2011, 01:02 PM

Pics tonight guys . . But I got a feeling I'll be up in running soon

sooo the engines in already?

oldschool3g

06-13-2011, 01:52 PM

Sweet man can't wait to see pics of this beast lol

Rendon LX-i

06-13-2011, 01:56 PM

Yup yoshi ain't playing. Got both motors. Need to buy apr head studs an Honda oem bearing.

89T

06-13-2011, 04:27 PM

Trader!

Mellexx

06-13-2011, 05:13 PM

So much win in this thread, can't wait to see pics

Rendon LX-i

06-13-2011, 06:36 PM

Trader!

No no no. I still have an accord LMFAO.

Sweet man can't wait to see pics of this beast lol

Pics are your command LOL

So much win in this thread, can't wait to see pics

Pics are uploading as i type

Rendon LX-i

06-13-2011, 06:39 PM

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FORMULA is B16a Head + B18b1 bottom end with acl bearings and apr head studs = LSV WOOOT.

Rendon LX-i

06-13-2011, 06:46 PM

OOOOOO BUT WAIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!THERE IS MOOOOOOREEE LMFAO.

http://i728.photobucket.com/albums/ww290/Rendonlxi/d31bcf33.jpg
http://i728.photobucket.com/albums/ww290/Rendonlxi/9edacc66.jpg

Tranny Mount
http://i728.photobucket.com/albums/ww290/Rendonlxi/128b419e.jpg

Tranny Bracket Mount
http://i728.photobucket.com/albums/ww290/Rendonlxi/a925c2c5.jpg

Back mount
http://i728.photobucket.com/albums/ww290/Rendonlxi/2119b07b.jpg

Left Mount
http://i728.photobucket.com/albums/ww290/Rendonlxi/bee95e57.jpg

Mock up on body. need to weld this mount.
http://i728.photobucket.com/albums/ww290/Rendonlxi/e09026af.jpg

Rendon LX-i

06-13-2011, 06:48 PM

BUT WAIT THEREEE IS MOAAAR!!!!!!!!!!!!

As you can see holes suppose to line up but they dont work. Thats why the mount isnt power coded
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Mount on the b series holes line up perfect.
http://i728.photobucket.com/albums/ww290/Rendonlxi/2d9e0654.jpg

Things need:

Tranny
axles
bearings
Apr head studs
Itr cams
GE LSV convo kit

89T

06-13-2011, 06:49 PM

acl race bearings, use thicker racing oil. the clearances ar not as tight as standard bearings..

Rendon LX-i

06-13-2011, 07:05 PM

.0017 is ok I'm gonna plasti gauge before I order. What oil do u recommend bro?

Mellexx

06-13-2011, 07:13 PM

Sweet tons of pics ftw, going to be so awesome once it's all in and finished up

Rendon LX-i

06-13-2011, 07:17 PM

Thanks bro. I like proof an pics. Pics are a thousand words lol

DOPEY

06-13-2011, 07:33 PM

What stiffness r the mounts I have the same ones but with red inserts wich r 95a n im putting a built b20v

Rendon LX-i

06-13-2011, 07:41 PM

The track which is 85a which is plenty stiff

itzdave

06-13-2011, 08:15 PM

Keep up the badass work!

Rendon LX-i

06-13-2011, 08:25 PM

Thanks bro. Doing what I can with the funds I can get.

DOPEY

06-13-2011, 08:36 PM

do u know what outers to use for the spindles

Rendon LX-i

06-13-2011, 08:54 PM

well a 3rd gen lud. 89 teg. are stock one. If anything ill pop the ends out and switch to what i need.

it all depends what you use for a tranny.

DOPEY

06-13-2011, 09:17 PM

im putting a b16 with a 4.9 final drive but im not shure if i can use ef outers

Rendon LX-i

06-13-2011, 09:56 PM

nope you cant. There is a post on here bro if you search for it. i found it pretty quick. It answers all your q's. I still havent got to that point so ill will be needing to know a bit more once i getting the axles poped in

MessyHonda

06-13-2011, 10:02 PM

what kind of rods and pistons will you run?

Rendon LX-i

06-13-2011, 10:07 PM

Ill prolly run just the stock ls pistons and rods with ACL bearings and ARP LOL i got it right this time. ARP head studs. NO BOOST till i gather all the stuff. Ill be doing a Wild setup.

N/a on that ill be over 210 all motor. IF i were to boost on 10-12lbs there guys making 300whp on Stock ls bottom ends LMFAO. BUT if anything Ill run RS pistons get the rods shotpined. Block off the oil squirtor on the rod.

This is Im trying to figure out is TO run the water and oil pump off my b16 there both good BUT i heard that b16 pumps are NO good and Tend to Take a sHIT? so idk. Ill have to do some reseach.

dacantu

06-13-2011, 10:16 PM

Tdurr

06-13-2011, 10:17 PM

Honda tech bro.

And make in fast progress. I want a run once ur na and after bewst!

Rendon LX-i

06-13-2011, 10:28 PM

run a type r oil and water pump rendon they work equally the same and youre going to want to run a type r aftermarket timing belt.

otherwise you have to keep the ls water pump and oil pump as well as an ls timing belt.

Really. SO there is no way or running the oil and water pumps with the head? I can see prolly why not. Its a long block so yea FUCK lol. Ill have to do that then. FUCK ME GE LSV kits are a grip.

Honda tech bro.

And make in fast progress. I want a run once ur na and after bewst!

SON idk if you can hang LOL. jk i cant wait honesty im going in a pace that i need to. Problem with me I say o ill do it tomorow BUT NOT THIS TIME im really have fun with this. Ill post pics as i go pulling the OG A20 and Sand bay,fill holes paint and have one of the homies do a little something something in the bay YEA BUDDY. finish the wire tuck.

if someone would buy my damn ramhorn LMFAO. Then ill have some more funds to buy a good tranny. YS1 perharps

MessyHonda

06-13-2011, 10:33 PM

yeah i would run type R pumps. unless you run super high compression i dont think the motor will do 210hp. the b18b1 makes 140 hp and the b16 makes 160hp.

Rendon LX-i

06-13-2011, 10:38 PM

O they do bro. My tuner just did one and he told me its easy to make 200whp on a lsv. i asked him how easy. HE said EASY LOL. b18b1 are a tq monster with b16a head. HE said to run ITR cams to make 240 easy but also remember he is a very good tuner. He made a poor mans stroker kit (H22a) using all used honda parts. still pulling strong waxes stis. He tuned plenty of Lsvs its not a problem for him and i belive him. He tune more cars then I blink LOL. NO but no i didnt belive it till i started reading on h-t.

ShyBoyCA6

06-13-2011, 10:38 PM

Fuck man so much work but gonna be so worth it! shit if my black coupe's engine is no good i might join you b series guys as well. we'll just have to see. loving the progress rendon keep it up broskies!

Rendon LX-i

06-13-2011, 10:40 PM

The b16a head is a way better flowing head so thats where all your power gains are at. Power is all in the heads carnal. The more she sucks and squeezes and Bangs and Blows the more POWA LMFAO.

Tdurr

06-13-2011, 10:43 PM

Lol talking dirty now

DOPEY

06-13-2011, 11:33 PM

U can run a gsr or ls water pump. n on the timing belt it doesnt have to b after market as long as its a honda 1. Oil pump is a must to put a type r 1

ShyBoyCA6

06-13-2011, 11:40 PM

Keep it Pg-13 lol

Rendon LX-i

06-14-2011, 04:37 PM

Lol suck = intake , squeeze = compression , bang = powa, blow = exhaust .

Idk bout you guys. Wasn't talking dirty I was talking cars lmfao

2ndGenGuy

06-14-2011, 04:47 PM

Well, this thread is getting me all hot and bothered!

87roach

06-14-2011, 09:09 PM

Exciting :D

Rendon LX-i

06-14-2011, 11:47 PM

Well I've been doing some research . I'll going to be using my b16a pistions in my ls block to give me a bit more compression. Idk if I can use my b16 craddle since the ls don't have one. On the water pump it can be either or from what I understand I can use my b16 water pump an oil pump but I have to use a gsr timing belt since the deck is higher.

People say this an that. I'm just going to have to do some measuring

import racer

06-15-2011, 05:36 PM

She's gonna be a beast Rendon,keep us updated.

89T

06-15-2011, 06:33 PM

josh when are we going to meet up and race. A vs b....

87roach

06-15-2011, 07:03 PM

I want to be a spectator for that one.

2ndGenGuy

06-15-2011, 08:27 PM

I'll film it!

Rendon LX-i

06-15-2011, 09:10 PM

Ummm. Jerry A series is a tq monster B series has alot of floe in the heads. So who ever can shift fast lol I don't want to be like

" you almost had MEE? you never hAd me you never had your car " lmfao no . If u where not so damn far lol

elpuma

06-15-2011, 10:14 PM

Hurry up guey. I want a ride in this set up as well :)

AccordB20A

06-15-2011, 10:39 PM

comparing stock blocks to stock blocks the b series should shit on the a20, But...... Ha im building a b20vtec turbo... someday

obdriver6

06-16-2011, 12:12 AM

And subscribed!!!........ and what happened to the pics of the turbo manifold.

89T

06-16-2011, 03:34 AM

comparing stock blocks to stock blocks the b series should shit on the a20, But......

^this^ :)

Rendon LX-i

06-16-2011, 08:43 AM

Lol. I'll post pics don't worry

gfrg88

06-16-2011, 01:26 PM

josh when are we going to meet up and race. A vs b....

I think he should come out here and race your boosted A, my boosted BT, and Ryans beastly all motor ET :D

Rendon LX-i

06-16-2011, 01:36 PM

Whoa whoa easy now. Why people want to race me. Lmfao.

MessyHonda

06-16-2011, 06:38 PM

shit il race you:deal:

2ndGenGuy

06-16-2011, 07:02 PM

I'll race you, RIGHT NOW.

Rendon LX-i

06-16-2011, 07:49 PM

k ill warm up my legs LMFAO. i got BEANTEC LMFAO.

mykwikcoupe

06-16-2011, 09:46 PM

whoa if this is really going down I want in.

elpuma

06-17-2011, 01:31 AM

BEANTEC :bowrofl:
i love it!

gfrg88

06-17-2011, 07:00 AM

3geez race warzz!

gfrg88

06-17-2011, 07:06 AM

3geez race warzz!

Tdurr

06-17-2011, 03:57 PM

Still a buster

Rendon LX-i

06-17-2011, 07:45 PM

Lmfao.

Tdurr

06-19-2011, 08:48 AM

Haha

89T

06-19-2011, 03:50 PM

post the new pic's already...

Happy fathers day.

Rendon LX-i

06-19-2011, 06:57 PM

http://i728.photobucket.com/albums/ww290/Rendonlxi/791e6802.jpg
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Took the motor out an took al the parts off of it. Now tomorrow going to work on the engine bay. I'll post moar tomorrow .

Jerry thanks bro. Same to u. U have kids ?

89T

06-19-2011, 07:49 PM

;) yes sir...

MessyHonda

06-19-2011, 07:58 PM

happy father day!

Tdurr

06-19-2011, 11:34 PM

Happy fathers day lol

rjudgey

06-20-2011, 05:25 AM

Hmmm think that turbo's a bit small! lol!
Nice what numbers was you putting down with that setup?

Rendon LX-i

06-20-2011, 09:15 AM

Idk I was well over 200. But it was fun.

Tdurr

06-20-2011, 06:32 PM

The offer is still on the table sir ;)

Rendon LX-i

06-20-2011, 07:40 PM

I know bro.

Updated did alot of degreasing an had to take the brake lines off te mount tabs an move them up in order to place the rear mount. Didn't like that much. But o well. Here he pics of clean engine bay

http://i728.photobucket.com/albums/ww290/Rendonlxi/1d931e00.jpg
http://i728.photobucket.com/albums/ww290/Rendonlxi/eadef724.jpg

Here the rear mount
http://i728.photobucket.com/albums/ww290/Rendonlxi/2edb788f.jpg
http://i728.photobucket.com/albums/ww290/Rendonlxi/8cb590d0.jpg
http://i728.photobucket.com/albums/ww290/Rendonlxi/400f62a0.jpg

U can see where I'm pointing where u have to bend the lines a bit. An here u can see how close he mount is. Lol
http://i728.photobucket.com/albums/ww290/Rendonlxi/f4551ab7.jpg

oldschool3g

06-20-2011, 07:51 PM

Dam bro ive been following your thread for a while now and always excited to see updates from you. that rear mount is raping that firewall lol. Your thread makes me wanna start my bseries swap already lol:). keep up the good work bro:thumbup:

Rendon LX-i

06-20-2011, 08:38 PM

Thanks man. That's what I'm saying might as well be one piece lol. I could of bashed it in a bit with a BFH. But it's fine.

2ndGenGuy

06-20-2011, 10:45 PM

Man that mount is close. I was thinking it might hit, but I guess it's bolted to the subframe, so it won't move, but the engine will move on it... So, are you the first person who has actually installed these mounts?

Rendon LX-i

06-20-2011, 10:52 PM

Idk. I haven't seen no pics but legends an his pic looks just the same. I might bang it a bit with a BFH . Just to give it some clearance

AccordB20A

06-21-2011, 01:14 AM

losen the subframe bolts you may be able to pull the subframe forward to add more clearance.

Rendon LX-i

06-21-2011, 09:38 AM

I'll try that .

Rendon LX-i

06-21-2011, 06:17 PM

Little update. Did some wiring clean some wires up. Extended some an added the obd1 dizzy plugs to the existing harness. So harness is done. Need to add he extension harness an add the cyp wires an icm wire.

AccordB20A

06-21-2011, 10:11 PM

i thought you would have ditched the accord efi loom and run a civic one as a standalone lol

Rendon LX-i

06-21-2011, 11:45 PM

Nay. Why fuck with all that . Its simple this way an I Deloomed an took out what is not needed a. Kept what I wanted. I bascily did what legend did

89T

06-22-2011, 05:40 PM

are you done yet? Lmao.. I need ripper vids1!

Rendon LX-i

06-22-2011, 06:29 PM

Not yet. My b18b1 is in Portland. Once I get that I can tear it down an get th bearing specs swap out pistons.

mykwikcoupe

06-22-2011, 07:26 PM

is the trans mount a direct bolt on or do you need to drill holes in the fender walls to bolt it on? Got pics of it mounted?

JohnBoy

06-22-2011, 08:36 PM

kwik your pic scares me

Rendon LX-i

06-22-2011, 09:03 PM

No it has to be welded. I have pics in the beginning of the thread

mykwikcoupe

06-22-2011, 10:03 PM

without the motor installed how would you tell where it has to go? Wouldnt the axles need to be placed and the car on level ground with the motor supported level to mark the location?

Rendon LX-i

06-22-2011, 10:56 PM

No. It's pretty straight forward u can see where u can install the bolts,one fits. But I don't trust 10mm bolts lol. Basically u can't put it on wrong unless your a fruit.

MessyHonda

06-22-2011, 11:02 PM

i think innovative should of made their own mounts because the place racing mounts were not the best fit.

AccordB20A

06-22-2011, 11:16 PM

hasport mounts dont have fail :)

Its good to read a thread about a b series swap thats actually making progress :)

Rendon LX-i

06-23-2011, 06:41 AM

Thanks Arron . U know me I get er done.

Rendon LX-i

06-23-2011, 06:42 AM

I agree with messy. But at the same time they took the mounts an the time to redo em. So atleast we have mounts.

Legend_master

06-23-2011, 07:33 AM

Badass man, good to see another b-swap. Hopefully I can actually get mine running soon. That brake line thing is kinda of a pain in the ass. Looks like those mounts are a little different then the PRI. My rear mount is not that close to the firewall, and my transmission mount bracket lines up with the holes in the side rail perfectly. They still look very similar.

Rendon LX-i

06-23-2011, 08:06 AM

Legend_master

06-23-2011, 09:00 AM

I need to get my tranny I found a y1 for 250 so I'll see if I can get it in a week.

The mount almost lines up but shouldn't be off. Well have to see. Hopefully it be dropped in in a couple months.

Question do I used b16 head studs or gsr. People can't mak up there
Mind on Honda tech lol

I used Gsr head studs when I did my ls/v with a Gsr head. They are actually all the same, but personal preference wise I would go with the b16 to match the head.

Rendon LX-i

06-23-2011, 12:18 PM

That's what I was thinking. Thanks man. What lsv kit u use?

Legend_master

06-23-2011, 12:58 PM

That's what I was thinking. Thanks man. What lsv kit u use?

I used the golden eagle oil sandwich, and a generic turbo line for the oil feed. I also had the head modified to fit a factory head gasket from an LS.

Rendon LX-i

06-23-2011, 02:29 PM

Oright. They have the special dowels now so I should be ok from he reviews I saw.

gfrg88

06-23-2011, 05:10 PM

Less talk more pics. GO GO GO!!!

Rendon LX-i

06-24-2011, 04:29 PM

WHOA WHOA WHOA.....Calm down clam down LOL.

Just some random pics of the dizzy plugs i added to the existing harness. Gotta run the vtec wire and thats all she wrote. then my LC-1 wiring which is going to be cake.

http://i728.photobucket.com/albums/ww290/Rendonlxi/29d6f917.jpg

P06 still non-vtec but going to add vtec. already ordered the diode.

http://i728.photobucket.com/albums/ww290/Rendonlxi/0f9e0acc.jpg

Obd1 dizzy plug soldered in to the accord harness.

http://i728.photobucket.com/albums/ww290/Rendonlxi/2cdda485.jpg
Then the Coil wires soldered in. Money.

ShyBoyCA6

06-24-2011, 05:14 PM

Damn fu I wet my pants! Lol So that's the plug in play harness huh.

gfrg88

06-24-2011, 05:21 PM

Don't think that was "plug and play".. He had to solder everything.. right?

Rendon LX-i

06-24-2011, 05:29 PM

Yea I had to basically deloom an added what I wanted . Not a plug an play at all. Only thing close to that is the jumper harness Which is still not a plug an play. It's easy if u have the schematics .

Rendon LX-i

06-24-2011, 05:31 PM

My soldering skills improved by alot lol. Looks clean. That an I have a bad ass soldering gun.

AccordB20A

06-24-2011, 06:42 PM

good work man

Tdurr

06-24-2011, 11:45 PM

My soldering skills improved by alot lol. Looks clean. That an I have a bad ass soldering gun.

Deff the most important thing in soldering lol. I need to get me another one... Sigh...

But good looking work there man. Imma have to do that when I get my new whip ;)

Rendon LX-i

06-25-2011, 12:33 PM

good work man

Thanks bro

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Deff the most important thing in soldering lol. I need to get me another one... Sigh...

But good looking work there man. Imma have to do that when I get my new whip ;)

Soldering gun is key Mofo gets the wire hot fast lol . Flux makes a big difference to . Took me awhile to tackle a wiring plan.

Tdurr

06-26-2011, 06:36 PM

lol yeaaa good flux works too.

Rendon LX-i

06-27-2011, 03:17 PM

Well good news ....Buddy at school having troubles timing his b16a with his ITR cams....so he asked me if i would trade for my b16a cams ...............I was like just straight across he like yea. IM like DEAL LMFAO.

itzdave

06-27-2011, 09:02 PM

damn bro! you are haulin ass on this swap! keep it up!

Rendon LX-i

06-28-2011, 08:13 AM

Lol I'm trying

Rendon LX-i

06-28-2011, 06:07 PM

Did alittle today not much but I was figuring out the sensors. Well I taught that the sensors would be the same but there not as in engine temp sensor the rest should. I'm also took out my stock fan switch plug out an the fan plug it self. What I'm going to be doing is tap and die the civic rad. So I have it like stock an I won't have to run extended wire behind the bAy. Here some pics.

Stock b16 ECT sensor(on the left) an stock accord ECT(on the right) well it screws into the head no problem so easy money.
http://i728.photobucket.com/albums/ww290/Rendonlxi/1331c2b1.jpg

Screwing in the accord ECT sensor into PR-3 head.
http://i728.photobucket.com/albums/ww290/Rendonlxi/da03a5e9.jpg

This is the b16 head. Looks great. Still going to get it sent in for valve job an new valve stems.
http://i728.photobucket.com/albums/ww290/Rendonlxi/7a634e2b.jpg

Here is where I Rounted the stock fan sensor plug an fan plug. (had them in the inner fender tied down since I knew I was going to be doing this soon an that time was now
http://i728.photobucket.com/albums/ww290/Rendonlxi/fa2400cc.jpg

Well not much but hey I'm doing a bit at a time. Every detail counts cause I know when I needed the info I couldnt find it.

gfrg88

06-29-2011, 06:56 AM

Might as well get bigger valves, stiffer springs, and retainers while you're at it, imo.

Rendon LX-i

06-29-2011, 08:07 AM

Nay . Itr valve train. New stems

gfrg88

06-29-2011, 02:45 PM

Meh, just a thought.. good shit on ITR valve train atleast thought :thumbsup:

MessyHonda

06-29-2011, 06:40 PM

i would still get the itr stuff spec'ed out to see they are within limit

Rendon LX-i

06-29-2011, 09:28 PM

There aways in limit lol. Today I helped a friend at skool install LMA's from a h22 into his b16 head. Was simple am way better then the B16 stock ones.

Tdurr

07-01-2011, 03:33 PM

Lma's?

AccordB20A

07-01-2011, 04:39 PM

lost motion assembly :) some bullshit vtec heads have. my pr3 head has done fuck all kms and is in new condition lol. paid enough for it

Rendon LX-i

07-01-2011, 06:23 PM

B16 have hydro LMA's an h22 have a spring type. Always stiff no play.

MessyHonda

07-01-2011, 06:39 PM

well what does it do? spill the beans

mykwikcoupe

07-01-2011, 09:11 PM

with a spring, how is it better then a hydro assembly and whats all involved in the swap?

Tdurr

07-01-2011, 09:42 PM

Sounds gay

stat1K

07-06-2011, 07:27 AM

well a spring would theorhetically never need to be rebuilt (or at least less often than a hydro). but this could be argued. people don't seem to give it a lot of thought as if ones better than the other unless they're using a highlift cam. the extra lift is what wears out the old style (hydro) or prolonged use (high mileage). honda released the spring type later with a larger contact patch to increase protection to the cam. you can buy an even stronger spring type or you can go with the later model spring types from the itr/gsr and or h22.

Rendon LX-i

07-06-2011, 08:13 AM

Pat said it pretty detailed. Basically applying more pressure. But what we did is just took off the rockers an took the old LMA's out put a .40 thousands washer for the base depends on your wear on the cam. Slid in the h22 LMA's . It's up to you if want to do em. To MEE it felt way better an it's alot more quite also. Vtec sounded smooth.

Well I got me a 99 si p30 intake manifold. I have to drill a hole for the IAt since it's blank lol. I'm looking for a h22 tb but if not I'll get a omni 70mm

Rendon LX-i

07-06-2011, 08:13 AM

2ndGenGuy

07-06-2011, 08:57 AM

What year did Honda switch to the spring type LMAs? Sorry to be off topic, but I've been wondering WTF is going on with the ticking in my girlfriend's GSR on startup... I thought it sounded like hydraulic lifters (like my Miata used to do), but didn't realize there were any hydraulic valvetrain components until this thread got my curiosity peaked.

Rendon LX-i

07-06-2011, 09:58 AM

They come in a h22a4 from 97/98 prelude.

stat1K

07-06-2011, 10:09 AM

i believe for the b16/itr/gsr the b16 first received them in the 99-00 revision. I'm not sure that the GSR ever had a redesign but you can buy aftermarket or use the h22 LMA's.

my d16z6 had lma noise. i realized it after i had already swapped back to a non-vtec head which is a bummer but i didn't like the whole mini-me concept anyway.

Rendon LX-i

07-13-2011, 09:01 PM

Well I decided to rebuild my head on my own . The deck is straight as a arrow check via straight bar "snap on" is within spec.

The tool I bought is so nice. Euroexport valve spring removal too for h an b series vtec heads on or off car

http://i728.photobucket.com/albums/ww290/Rendonlxi/bbcfdbcd.jpg

Here I'm screwing down the spring. So simple yet easy
http://i728.photobucket.com/albums/ww290/Rendonlxi/4d586ec9.jpg

Before
http://i728.photobucket.com/albums/ww290/Rendonlxi/f5c866b8.jpg
http://i728.photobucket.com/albums/ww290/Rendonlxi/6a086419.jpg

After
http://i728.photobucket.com/albums/ww290/Rendonlxi/72391101.jpg
http://i728.photobucket.com/albums/ww290/Rendonlxi/cb0b28ca.jpg

Outcome new stems an valve stems supertech.
http://i728.photobucket.com/albums/ww290/Rendonlxi/c515b204.jpg
http://i728.photobucket.com/albums/ww290/Rendonlxi/50b41110.jpg

If you see the old pic of he head it was good but it took me 4 hrs to clean this thing an valve seats where in great shape.

Rendon LX-i

07-14-2011, 06:57 AM

Now I need to order head studs, an lsv kit. Tranny I'm looking for a good deal. I might go hydro but depends .

stat1K

07-14-2011, 07:57 AM

that mating surface on the head could use a nice cleaning still.

Rendon LX-i

07-14-2011, 08:03 AM

Yea I have to use a buffer type wheel. I wont do that till I put it on

rjudgey

07-14-2011, 09:16 AM

What size are those valves?
I'd be tempted to do a full head skim just to make sure it's flat unless you've gone over 100% to check with the right tools. Certainly would be a bit carefull using a buffer on it.
I think you could gain a nice increase in flow with some work on the throats into the valve seats, and having the seats cut with a 1mm seat and have the valve matched and backcut to suit. Wouldn't cost much to do either.
Have you got a pic of the throats or ports at all?

Rendon LX-i

07-14-2011, 10:09 AM

Did a fuild test on each valve used a snap on straight edge to see what's the max clearance an it was in spec by far. Tools where provide by my school which I'm attending . I don't know the valve size but there in incredible shape. Head was in working order when I got it. I just wanted to clean things up. Jdm b16a heads are better then any head beside the c5 head which is the same but slighty ported not much. I'll upgrade the LMA's later an do th itr valve train down the road.

Rendon LX-i

07-14-2011, 10:13 AM

No pics I just snap shot when I had it mostly together. The throats where good as well. The fuild test was nice. Did it before an after which I had some loss in cc but that was due to carbon build up . But after clean an hot taking the head did some grinding in the throats not much just to take the debri out mostly out of the exhaust side. The intake side was super clean.

MessyHonda

07-16-2011, 07:22 PM

good progress. i wish i had to time to tare down my motor but my car got kicked out of my uncles house and i needed to move it so thats why i had to do it man.

Rendon LX-i

07-16-2011, 11:42 PM

Well a your swap so now I have to hurry lol

Hash_man_Se_i

07-17-2011, 09:52 AM

Looking good Josh. All the cool kids are going b-series now! hhaha.

We will have to have a big west coast meet, or at least NW meet one of these days, maybe near the end of summer or early fall.

Rendon LX-i

07-17-2011, 10:20 AM

Sounds good. I should be done by then. Thanks you also.

MessyHonda

07-17-2011, 10:37 AM

yeah i want to take this kind of pic again

http://i728.photobucket.com/albums/ww290/Rendonlxi/102_0038.jpg

Rendon LX-i

07-17-2011, 11:07 AM

O snaps I agree . That's sexy lol

Rendon LX-i

08-10-2011, 11:41 AM

i would of already been done with my lsv an on the road but shit happens so im on a hold for funds. But Thanks to messy ive gottan alot of shit cleared up.

anyways i just wanted to say everything is going as planned. Expect updates soon

AccordB20A

08-11-2011, 12:17 AM

good news! haha

Hash_man_Se_i

08-11-2011, 09:33 AM

Good to hear Josh, keeping tuned in for updates, good luck.

Tdurr

08-12-2011, 11:50 PM

:ninja:

gp02a0083

08-14-2011, 06:29 AM

i would use the pictures that you have taken and send them to innovative to have them adjust the mounting holes. At least at that point there will be "bolt-in" B series mounts, now just for a company to make correct axles for the swap......

Rendon LX-i

08-14-2011, 04:03 PM

I agree bit for axles is not hard you need the 89 lude left axles an 90-93 teg pass axle with a 1gen b16a mid shaft . All is perfect fitmeants. Im going to bore out the holes on the tranny mount so I don't have to weld it. I will send a photo to them concerning the problem.

Once this person cough cough gets some stuff of me cough cough I can be on my way to completing my project lol

AccordB20A

08-14-2011, 04:05 PM

are YS1 gearboxes quite easy to find over there, how much do they go for?!

Rendon LX-i

08-14-2011, 04:11 PM

250-300 I found one in Portland that was rebuild an the guy wants 275Usd

Tdurr

08-15-2011, 09:07 PM

I agree bit for axles is not hard you need the 89 teg left axles an 89 lude pass axle with a 1gen b16a mid shaft . All is perfect fitmeants. Im going to bore out the holes on the tranny mount so I don't have to weld it. I will send a photo to them concerning the problem.

Once this person cough cough gets some stuff of me cough cough I can be on my way to completing my project lol

shhh....

Legend_master

08-16-2011, 08:28 AM

stat1K

08-16-2011, 10:09 AM

it's not like you'll ever want to go back to an A anyway lolz

MessyHonda

08-17-2011, 12:38 AM

250-300 I found one in Portland that was rebuild an the guy wants 275Usd

I have the YS1 trans and its really short. I redline 4th gear in no time and i just have a gsr. its also due to my smaller tires on my rims

Rendon LX-i

08-17-2011, 02:29 PM

yea its more of a auto x tranny or drag. No hyway LOL. ill end up doing the Ls final gear swap.

Rendon LX-i

08-17-2011, 02:31 PM

Are you trying to avoid welding the transmission mount? I would recommend against that, there is a lot of weight and power going against that one spot. Keep in mind there are no TQ, or front mounts to help with the weight distribution and TQ distribution. I only used the bolts to line it up, then welded that bad boy on.

Will since you experianced it and know how much strain it is going to put down. Ill do it.

it's not like you'll ever want to go back to an A anyway lolz

Never LOL

Hash_man_Se_i

08-17-2011, 02:42 PM

^^ Yea welding is a good idea for sure on the trans mount. I had my buddy weld it in, and wouldnt have done it otherwise.

Also, my S1 trans was short enough on the highway, I can't imagine what a YS1 would be like... that must suck!

AccordB20A

08-18-2011, 03:03 PM

S1 is the shortest gearing of them all, i dont think the YS1 is as bad

Hash_man_Se_i

08-18-2011, 04:19 PM

Well then... hahaha. Maybe when I get my exhaust fixed it wont suck so bad on the highway, but right now its so damn loud at "highway" speeds.

Rendon LX-i

08-22-2011, 08:37 PM

Ys1 is pretty good or a b16 tranny which idk what the code is for those lol.

-$MOKIN-

08-23-2011, 11:09 AM

Found it....can't wait to see a vid of it running.

Rendon LX-i

08-23-2011, 01:47 PM

i should be running by jan. I have a good aid check coming Lol.

Rendon LX-i

08-27-2011, 10:01 PM

Well now I'm thinking going itbs. Either gsxr or cbr . Cbr have the same tps which make it simple to reformat on Crome . It seems cheaper the. Buying Itr intake an tb.

Legend_master

08-27-2011, 10:07 PM

Well now I'm thinking going itbs. Either gsxr or cbr . Cbr have the same tps which make it simple to reformat on Crome . It seems cheaper the. Buying Itr intake an tb.

Honestly ITBs are awesome for all motor, but you have to really invest in a full setup. Fully built head, and block plus an amazing tune. If you don't have that then you are wasting your time. You can get an AEBS intake manifold (identical to the skunk 2, or type R), and be ready to go with a solid reliable setup for half the price.

Rendon LX-i

08-27-2011, 10:14 PM

Umm. Well head is just just Itr valve train an I'm looking for Itr cams. I'm trying to go all motor but if not boost is going to be fun. But ill just get it I found some gsx r 1000s an cbr 935 or something like that for 60 shipped. I'm looking for a DIY type setup which I'm good at. I completey agree thou with your statmeant . But I'll just get it since it's so cheap to do.

Rendon LX-i

08-27-2011, 10:20 PM

http://i728.photobucket.com/albums/ww290/Rendonlxi/4dcfc948.jpg
B18b1 block honed decked . Ready for some lsv baby

http://i728.photobucket.com/albums/ww290/Rendonlxi/17d24063.jpg

89jdmaccord

09-05-2011, 08:16 PM

anymore progress??

AccordB20A

09-06-2011, 02:11 AM

no girdle on that b18b block?? hmm i wonder if my b20b has one or not. will be required for extra revs

good to see ur engines getting there maaateee

Rendon LX-i

09-06-2011, 12:44 PM

anymore progress??

yes sir. Ill post pics as i go. Ill be hitting it hard here soon.

no girdle on that b18b block?? hmm i wonder if my b20b has one or not. will be required for extra revs

good to see ur engines getting there maaateee

nope no gridle. not really needed. alot of lsv setups didnt have gridle. all that matters is that you swap out the rod bolts since there the same a a d series which cant withstand 8-9k revs. Get arp rod bolts and you can rev high as a gsr all day. Gridle just adds that extra security which is all up to you if you want to add it. Im not cause you would have to have it all redone at the machine shop and have a bigger oil clearance. B16a dont have a gridle and they rev to 8.5 all day its all in the rod bolts.

to awnser your question on the b20. NO there is no gridle on those motors. Only gsr's have gridles. ive been reading alot of lsv b20v setups an no gridle is needed for high revs just rod bolts cause they tend to loosen up and stretch out cause they cant withstand the rotating mass that is put on them. Save yourself the money an get some arp bolts total 50 bucks.

-$MOKIN-

09-12-2011, 04:35 PM

Sweet!! Can't wait. How much whp ya thinkin?
I'm about to venture into the b series motors my self. I'm soon buying a 92 civic 4 door that has a b18b1 in it and the blocks bad. I've been on my search and am prolly just goin to put another B18B1 in It. So someday if I can throw a B18C in it and run vtech I'll be figuring all this shit out too .

Rendon LX-i

09-12-2011, 09:47 PM

178ish who 200hp is my goal all motor

Tdurr

09-13-2011, 01:32 PM

2 days son!

Rendon LX-i

09-13-2011, 03:09 PM

lol

Tdurr

09-13-2011, 04:30 PM

lol i got a few more things before i start my posting again...

hammer3rd

09-22-2011, 08:53 AM

was wondering why you didnt just go with the B18C5 r motor. Already got 190hp and you can get one shiped to your door with tranny and ecu for between 3000 and 4000. Just wondering!!!!!!!!

Rendon LX-i

09-23-2011, 03:20 PM

Lol that's 3-4 grand I can push more hp an tq for less then that . B16a head is the same as a c5 Im going go have stronger bottom end an all in all it's going to be cheaper regradless . I ain't paying 4gs lol. You still have to consender wiring still an obd1 . I'll be spending less then 1500 since I got a free b16a complete. If I wanted to spend 4-5 gs I would of gotta. A eg with a b20vtec since they sell for 4 gs local.

gfrg88

09-24-2011, 07:36 AM

yeah, that's waaaay too much money if you ask me!!! I'd much rather just throw the b20 in and boost it :D

Tdurr

09-24-2011, 02:13 PM

bewst.

gfrg88

09-27-2011, 07:08 PM

bewst 0wnz y0!!!!!

Hash_man_Se_i

10-01-2011, 03:33 PM

Can I haz a free b16?... lol... need one of those

Rendon LX-i

10-01-2011, 07:35 PM

Lol. I pretty much got everything to get the motor together . I need a dizzy clutch flywheel an tranny.

This is what I got down so far

B16a head complete overhauled.
Pr3 pistons pressed on ls rods.
Arp main rod bolts
Acl race bearings a bit loose for power
Hasting rings
Golden eagle head studs
Golden eagle ls vtec kit
TDM big tube tri y header
70mm onimi tb

So motor pretty much done lol.

89T

10-01-2011, 08:12 PM

xenocron FTW!

MessyHonda

10-01-2011, 08:41 PM

you still need to convert to OBD1

Rendon LX-i

10-01-2011, 09:02 PM

Nope . All wired. I did that along time ago bro. When I pulled the a20 out I did the wiring.

MessyHonda

10-01-2011, 09:10 PM

well its all good then. cant wait to see it in person!

Rendon LX-i

10-01-2011, 09:31 PM

it will be sweet.

gfrg88

10-02-2011, 06:13 AM

I <3 Xenocron.

Rendon LX-i

10-05-2011, 09:18 AM

i love CROME FTW LOL.

elpuma

10-05-2011, 02:51 PM

Josh let me know when you done so i can go visit ya and see it in person.

Rendon LX-i

10-05-2011, 06:33 PM

Well do bro. Well have a few lol

Rendon LX-i

10-06-2011, 12:43 PM

b18accord

10-13-2011, 04:01 PM

Little update. I just bought a Y1 cable trans. Bought a 90-93 Integra mid shaft. I need a 86-89 Integra pass shaft. Im going to try the 89 lude driver. since i have it might as well. Ill will be putting together my motor soon. I cant wait. lol

hey Rendon you could buy your axels from innovative mounts http://www.innovativemounts.com/ thats where im buying mine from i called them yesterday about the mounts and i asked them about axels and they told me they could make me a set.

Rendon LX-i

10-17-2011, 06:42 AM

Ummm instresting! Thanks. Bro I'll have to call.

Here som pics . I don't have alot I'll have to go home an takes some of all the other crap. This is so you know I'm not PLAYING. Lol

http://i728.photobucket.com/albums/ww290/Rendonlxi/f7d43047.jpg
http://i728.photobucket.com/albums/ww290/Rendonlxi/a2e4e6e1.jpg
http://i728.photobucket.com/albums/ww290/Rendonlxi/ba8eec03.jpg
http://i728.photobucket.com/albums/ww290/Rendonlxi/60cd5288.jpg

Hytech header 2 1/2 outlet
Pr3 pistons on ls rods. Resized an arp bolts
Valve cover cnc cut for cam gears. No sloppy shit. Looks like oem .

I have alot of crap not shown. To be continued

gfrg88

10-17-2011, 09:55 AM

wait, no boost???

-$MOKIN-

10-17-2011, 04:19 PM

Hold on .. lol What block are you putting in ? A B18B1 ?
Im really thinking of doing this swap ..So did u use the 89 accord stock ecu or was it from a intergra?

Rendon LX-i

10-17-2011, 04:48 PM

wait, no boost???

All motor for now. im wanting a top mount so im saving my pennys.

Hold on .. lol What block are you putting in ? A B18B1 ?
Im really thinking of doing this swap ..So did u use the 89 accord stock ecu or was it from a intergra?

ill be using the b18b1 correct. BUT ill be using a B16a head. So ls Vtec. I took the pr4 pistons off. and put the pr3 pistons on. Ill be around 11:5.1ish close to 12 comp ratio. Going to be a beast.

gfrg88

10-17-2011, 05:07 PM

Yeah, that thing should def move! Are you gonna keep that CR when you boost??? I would :)

Tdurr

10-17-2011, 09:30 PM

keep that cr! lol i wanna do high comp and boost.

Rendon LX-i

10-17-2011, 10:37 PM

Yeah, that thing should def move! Are you gonna keep that CR when you boost??? I would :)

keep that cr! lol i wanna do high comp and boost.

pfffffft. what you all think . LOL of course im going to keep it high comp plus boost. go big or go home LOL

-$MOKIN-

10-18-2011, 02:51 PM

p72 ecu?

gfrg88

10-18-2011, 03:00 PM

it don't matter what ecu he's using since he'll be running crome... probably like a p06 ecu, since they're the cheapest to chip..

-$MOKIN-

10-18-2011, 03:00 PM

In this 93 civic i just got it has a b18b1 with s4c tranny thats marked r4 ..still not for sure if its lsd .but it might be.. It has a p75 ecu i think ? I donno but i dont like the car at all really. it needs some motor work..seems to be a bad head gasket ..do i have a good start on a b series swap for my cookie ?

gfrg88

10-18-2011, 03:32 PM

I would say maybe.. depends on price... all you're gonna use from that is the engine, tranny, ecu.....

Rendon LX-i

10-18-2011, 06:28 PM

I have a p06 which I can put any base map an tune from there. You have a pr4 ecu which is a stock ls ecu.

gfrg88

10-18-2011, 07:21 PM

:nod:

Rendon LX-i

10-20-2011, 05:03 PM

I just rebuildt the 89 driver lude axle. All I need is the pass which is a 89 teg pass. I'll be getting that soon. So other the. That. I have a 7.5 fidanza flywheel an stage one exedy clutch. So pretty much all I need is plugs an wires an dizzy. Eeeeeeeee almost lol

Tdurr

10-25-2011, 06:29 AM

Omgg im pumped lol

Rendon LX-i

10-26-2011, 06:55 AM

Hell ya bro. L be posting pics very shorty lol. Maybe a vid me building lol

-$MOKIN-

10-26-2011, 05:10 PM

Hey when ur done will you do a = How to thread ?

Rendon LX-i

10-27-2011, 08:19 AM

I'll try lol.

Update bottom end is complete. I'll be installing the golden eagle head studs an lsv golden eagle kit this week

Tdurr

10-27-2011, 03:23 PM

Veddy nice!

gfrg88

10-27-2011, 07:15 PM

waiting on pics................... come on homie!!!!!!! apurate guey!!

Christofur

10-29-2011, 06:49 AM

I have seen pics:rofl:

Rendon LX-i

10-29-2011, 07:41 AM

^^^^^ via Facebook lol. I'll post pics

89T

10-29-2011, 07:07 PM

I dont facebook! I hate it!

gfrg88

10-29-2011, 08:17 PM

Ha, just saw them there lol.. looking good man!!

Rendon LX-i

10-31-2011, 01:25 PM

Ha, just saw them there lol.. looking good man!!

looks good huh. I have to post on hurr just lazy lol

obdriver6

11-02-2011, 10:06 AM

We need pics HERE!!!

89jdmaccord

11-02-2011, 04:06 PM

We need pics HERE!!!

x2 lol right meow!!!!

haha but seriously pics or it didnt happen

Rendon LX-i

11-02-2011, 08:20 PM

Ok well my bad on not uploading pics. Just been busy with school an building the motor an so on . Here a few pics. I installed b16a water an oil pump an golden eagle dowel pins an head studs also golden eagle. An the adapter in the back. Oil from rotating engine lol

http://i728.photobucket.com/albums/ww290/Rendonlxi/645030b4.jpg
http://i728.photobucket.com/albums/ww290/Rendonlxi/54cebb02.jpg
http://i728.photobucket.com/albums/ww290/Rendonlxi/bcb7f675.jpg

gfrg88

11-03-2011, 06:29 AM

Mmm high compression :eatarrow:

Rendon LX-i

11-03-2011, 06:44 AM

Damn straight lol.

Legend_master

11-03-2011, 10:08 AM

Geez, is this not done yet lol!

Rendon LX-i

11-03-2011, 10:24 AM

No taking my time. Winter is here lol

Rendon LX-i

11-16-2011, 02:40 PM

K will little update. I had some issues with my y1 gear box so lucky i tore it apart and inspected it . install all new bearings,seals. inspected gears. reverse was a bit rough but o will. Speedo gear drive was jacked up. got a free S1 trans that said that was bad but all that happen is the Diff pin snapped in half but did not cause any damage LOl so i have another trans for free. So ill be stuffing my motor in my car soon. OOOO what a feeling LMFAO

elpuma

11-16-2011, 11:42 PM

YAY!! :thumbup:

Rendon LX-i

11-18-2011, 02:41 PM

89jdmaccord

11-19-2011, 08:54 PM

bump looking good man im ready to get a b series in my hatch

Rendon LX-i

11-19-2011, 08:58 PM

I'm bout to drop my swap in. Snow kills it thou lol

-$MOKIN-

11-20-2011, 08:33 AM

You doing it today ?

mykwikcoupe

11-20-2011, 11:46 AM

Lol.

Here is my y1 I did a little overhaul. Some random pics an a vid.
http://i728.photobucket.com/albums/ww290/Rendonlxi/ad17306e.mp4
http://i728.photobucket.com/albums/ww290/Rendonlxi/92926e46.jpg
http://i728.photobucket.com/albums/ww290/Rendonlxi/73a5a581.jpg
http://i728.photobucket.com/albums/ww290/Rendonlxi/f377fdc1.jpg

Justed wanted To say Honda trans are cake to rebuild.

good then come on over, I have 2 to tear apart and go through again. the b20a trans looks the same inside but somethings still up. The gsr trans is an s80 hydro and I need to put an lsd into it. Ill put you up if you want or whatever, let me know. Well see whos b powered machine is better afterall. Yours is I think