Manual steering rack!

[carotman]

I can get manual steering racks at my local junkyard.

If someone is interested, I can buy a rack and ship it to you.

Those would be around 60-70 plus shipping


Who's interested?

[Site]

I am in. Can you give me a shipping estimate to 45140 (Cincinnati, Ohio, USA)?

Thanks Carotman, you rock hard.

[Jims 86LXI HB]

Way to go carrotman!:bow: :super:

[carotman]

So Jim? You want one too???? :cool:

Anyone knows how much those weigh?? That would be easier to find how much shipping would cost.

[Site]

Flaming River lightweight (aluminum) rack & pinions weight about 15 lbs. I can only guess that a stock would weight no more than twice as much (30 lbs).

[Jims 86LXI HB]

Originally posted by carotman
So Jim? You want one too???? :cool:

Anyone knows how much those weigh?? That would be easier to find how much shipping would cost.


:wave: :lol If I were to get another 3g, yes I sure would. I just think a manuel rack is much better than a disconected & drained power one.

Dang I miss my car:crying:

[dXsquared]

how come u dont have manual racks in the states? i dont have power steer on my hatch!? is that abnormal... do dx hatches in the states have power steer?
IM CONFUSED!!!

Travis

[88LXi68]

I am interested but I will pick it up. I will probably heading up there in Nov. So if you can have one sittin around for then i'll take it.

[1989 DX R]

I want one!!!!

[dXsquared]

why cant you get manual racks in the US? i have a manual rack. whats the deal?

Travis

[MoonScryer]

Carot: you just HAD to do this :P

[KaMiKaZeE]

Does anyone know how much ROUGHLY shipping will be to Dallas, Texas? I'm definitely interested. And how much are those aluminum "flaming river" ones? where can I get them?

[chomezy]

Does anyone know where I can find a power rack from with the inner tie rods? I've got a leak on my shoes and was informed the whole thing needs to be replaced, plus the tie rods are shot.

[AZmike]

Any good sized autoparts store should be able to order you one. some might even have one in stock. Mine was $130 with a $35 core fee remanufactured by Crown. It came with tie rods. Post again if you have any questions.

[Grant2k]

Originally posted by DXHATCHBACK
why cant you get manual racks in the US? i have a manual rack. whats the deal?

Travis
as far as i know, all US 3g Accords have power. my girlfriend's DX coupe has power.

[Site]

I just got a manual rack from AccordEXi (he's in Canada). When I install it, I'll take a pic of it side by side with the power rack so we can all see the difference. I'm also hoping the manual rack will give better handling than the drained power rack.

[1989 DX R]

Yeah, I need a manual rack, as my power one leaks, so I want to tear out the whole power steering system.

[HondaBoy]

i remember when i went to pick up rack and pinion, when mine broke, they asked if i wanted manual or power. it was at Pepboy's

[CARBurn]

Carotman are you still selling manual rack's?

[markmdz89hatch]

hey Jim, or really anyone out there.....

I currently do have the power rack (obviously), and as many of you know, I'm an Auto-x'er at heart, and this hatch is what I use. Sooo..... how will a manual rack effect my auto-x abilities? Is it really a big diff. bet. the two in the 3G?

[Grant2k]

Originally posted by markmdz89hatch
hey Jim, or really anyone out there.....

I currently do have the power rack (obviously), and as many of you know, I'm an Auto-x'er at heart, and this hatch is what I use. Sooo..... how will a manual rack effect my auto-x abilities? Is it really a big diff. bet. the two in the 3G?
i would think that for autocrossing you may as well keep it. the reason you would want to take it out is to squeeze that last bit of power out that the power steering sucks from the engine but when you're doing a lot of quick steering like that i'd think it's worth it to keep it and sacrifice the minimal amount of power the power steering it taking from the engine. just my thoughts, i don't really know what somebody with experience would say.

[Jims 86LXI HB]

Originally posted by markmdz89hatch
hey Jim, or really anyone out there.....

I currently do have the power rack (obviously), and as many of you know, I'm an Auto-x'er at heart, and this hatch is what I use. Sooo..... how will a manual rack effect my auto-x abilities? Is it really a big diff. bet. the two in the 3G?

Well I'll go past the other benefits, like weight savings and less parasitic power loss and give you the answer you want. Manuel racks vs power racks are known to give out better feel of the road in most cars where a manuel rack was avaliable. This could benefit you by allowing you to get a better read of what the tires and suspension are up to and in turn allow you to work your controls better to improve you times. I wanted a manuel rack for that reason. It was just that doing the revalved Bilsteins and eventually custom ground controls was going to come first.

[Sabz5150]

YES YES YES! I've got Uncle Sam sending me some cash here REAL soon and I'd love to be on that list.

Lemme know!

[Legend_master]

Bump cuzz

If you go to autozone they can order you a manual rack and pinion, because they carry parts for canadian models of cars along-side US models. Here is the link to there webpage with the Manual R&P.MANUAL R&P (Autozone) (http://www.autozone.com/servlet/UiBroker/?UseCase=C001&UserAction=answerRequiredQuestion&Parameters=%7C%7EMANUAL+STEERING&PageSync=4)

[SiR]

I guess you cant link it, its saying error. Do you know the part number, i didnt look through their web site catolog. I think of getting a manual rack when ever my current one takes a dump.

Edit: found the listing for $199. Nice find.

[lostforawhile]

I'm not sure who brought this back from the dead but thank you!!:) i can't get the link to work but this is what i want to do to,does anyone know the part number? my rack is leaking,my pump is leaking,and my speed sensor is leaking. I always loved manual steering on hondas, I can't understand why they didn't offer it in the US. the entire system is going to come out. goodbyr leaks,drag and weight.

[Legend_master]

I'm not sure who brought this back from the dead but thank you!!:) i can't get the link to work but this is what i want to do to,does anyone know the part number? my rack is leaking,my pump is leaking,and my speed sensor is leaking. I always loved manual steering on hondas, I can't understand why they didn't offer it in the US. the entire system is going to come out. goodbyr leaks,drag and weight.


Just go to autozone and ask for the manual steering rack for an 86 accord hatch. part # 108-1021

[motoracerII]

been there, done that, what i really want is a quicker steer ratio, ours is goddamn slow and anybody that's slid their rearend knows what im talking about

does the integra 1st gen have a quicker ratio? one of those racks, with a larger ps pulley or adjustable restriction in the rack would be ideal

[AccordEpicenter]

can you still get these manual racks? Im thinking about ditching mine. Carot?

[carotman]

I might go to the yard soon. I'll see if they carry some. These were only available on the Accord hatch 86 so they are a bit rare.

[Vanilla Sky]

well, there's a problem with this. that rack is the SAME PART NUMBER as the the power rack.

already been there.

[Legend_master]

well, there's a problem with this. that rack is the SAME PART NUMBER as the the power rack.

already been there.


Do you mean at autozone? If so that is shitty :pc: .

[bobafett]

yeah carotman. im interested in a manual rack as well, if u still have any up there. :)

pm me and lmk if u find some! thanks
chris

[Vanilla Sky]

you can get a used manual rack through the autozone used parts database. it's around $100.

[Legend_master]

you can get a used manual rack through the autozone used parts database. it's around $100.


good call, I dident even think about that.

[Vanilla Sky]

yeah, one of the other local 3geezers is going to buy one soon and rebuild it.

[lostforawhile]

when you go to autozone just have them look it up manually under steering it's 199

[EricW]

Does anyone know if there is there a difference in the gear ratios between the manual and power rack?

[Ichiban]

i've a spare manual rack for a 2g sitting in my buddys yard, i doubt they are interchangeable with a 3g, but if someone wants to run numbers and can use it, they can have it.

it's still in the rear crossmember but its in fairly good shape.

[lostforawhile]

hey can you get me the numbers on it whats it off of? what year i'll check interchange def interested. you have any idea what shipping cost might be? zip 31768. i might try it anyway,if can't use it i'll get rid of it on this old honda.com and recover my shipping cost. someone there might need it.

[jigga89SEi]

So with this manual rack do u need to change the sub frame over to?

[lostforawhile]

as far as i know it's the same just bolts in. just the option of manual instead of power.

[Ichiban]

im in Trail BC.

it's from my chopped up 83 hatch.

i'll get those numbers as soon as i can

[lostforawhile]

thanks man i like my manual steering. i hope it fits those early honda racks were some of the finest rack and pinion units made.

[jigga89SEi]

Just go to autozone and ask for the manual steering rack for an 86 accord hatch. part # 108-1021

Thats the part number I had order and got it today to find that it was a ps rack...

[lostforawhile]

they both have the same freakin number they have to look it up in the computer to get the right one,they should have confirmed what it was before they ordered it. :sad2:

[Vanilla Sky]

they both have the same freakin number they have to look it up in the computer to get the right one,they should have confirmed what it was before they ordered it. :sad2:


yup, i posted that about 10 posts up.

in order to get the manual rack, you have to order it USED from them. even then it's iffy IMO.

[lostforawhile]

when i checked on it they said the manual rack was available new, but it had the same number as the power unit,when they looked it up in the computer they were able to select eithier manual or power.

[Ichiban]

i went to a reman website and it seems the pn for the 2gen and 3gen manual racks are off by a letter, i'm thinking the tie-rod lengths might have to do with this, but i'll pull that rack out today and have a better look at it.

[jigga89SEi]

So autozone nor there partner company can get manual racks new or salvaged...
Anyone know somewhere else?

[Vanilla Sky]

no, they can get them from salvage. that part number was for a new/reman rack.

[jigga89SEi]

Well all the salvage yards my auto zone has access too dont have'm so I gotta come up with a new plan...

[Vanilla Sky]

there's always calling a honda dealership in canada up :/

[jigga89SEi]

i like my arms thank you very much...

[Vanilla Sky]

actually, according to my sevice manual, the manual rack turns EASIER than the power rack, but the power rack has a considerably quicker ratio.

[Ichiban]

i am the honda dealership in canada LOL!

I can take a look around the local junk yards for manual racks next time i'm out, if that helps at all..

I'll ask at lordco as well.

[jigga89SEi]

Please do i need one ASAP

[AccordEpicenter]

anybody know what the steering ratios are? I like the power steering rack in my car but was thinking of weight savings... It has good feedback too

[AZmike]

You could adapt this proceedure to the Accord rack:

http://www.flyinmiata.com/tech/depower.php?x=2

[jigga89SEi]

hmmmm. thats a good find... I'm gonna give that a shot on my rack thats shot...lol if it works i'll do it to a new one...

[Ichiban]

Wednesday or thurs i should be able to make it out...i read that article on "depowering" the rack, i don' t really like how they did it. the steering would still has the play left over from the valve actuation, a true manual rack wouldn't.

[jigga89SEi]

Well let me know what u can find... I'd much rather have a real manual rack...

[jigga89SEi]

make it to the yard yet?

[Ichiban]

sorry no.

i've been really short of money lately 'cause my employer (the government) screwed up my pay. I've gotta go drive army junk on sunday till next saturday, and tomorrow i've gotta fix a truck.

soon as i can...

[Ichiban]

Good news!

i finally made it out to the Waneta Auto recyclers and found out the guy there has up to six of the bloody things! he's willing to sell for around 100 bucks canadian, so there you go..

[Legend_master]

Good news!
i finally made it out to the Waneta Auto recyclers and found out the guy there has up to six of the bloody things! he's willing to sell for around 100 bucks canadian, so there you go..


that is freakin great, so would you or he be willing to sell them to us here in the US somehow. Can you see if he has an email so that we can contact him about ordering the racks.

[paso100]

Phone: (250) 367-9443
Email: [email protected]

[Legend_master]

Phone: (250) 367-9443
Email: [email protected]


You freakin rock, I just email him to see if he can ship them here. I wonder if he will hook us up if we pick up more then one at a time.

[paso100]

If he lowers the price for a group buy, I'm in. :)

[Ichiban]

i'm heading to edmonton (wainwright) for a few days again with the army, but i'll check in with him once i get back sometime friday. I hope he doesn't get deluged with emails and phone calls now:ugh:

anyways i'll see what i can work out, either way it'll be a few days.

edit: i'll also be a little short of spare cash cause i'm in the middle of building a hybrid 20R/22R for my ticking rattling little truck.

edit again: I'm not sure if he'll lower the price anymore cause i'm already getting a deal, i'm a pretty good customer of his, i get free run of the yard and all sorts of deals

[bobafett]

i am very interested.... let me know if there IS a way to get these shipped down to us US guys.. if so i can probly paypal u some $$, or whoeever i need to pay lol...

[markmdz89hatch]

beyond that, will he let the crossmember go too? How much will he get for that?

Don't forget guys, without major modification to the crossmember on the US cars, the manual rack will not fit. The best way to get the manual rack in is to use the crossmember from the manual cars too.

Thanks.

Let me know guys.

[bobafett]

oooh thx for posting that info mark, i hadnt realized that.... im sure you just saved me some trouble!

[Legend_master]

oooh thx for posting that info mark, i hadnt realized that.... im sure you just saved me some trouble!


this is the reply I jsut got


Sorry we are sold out of stock on 86-89 Accord Manual steering racks.

Good luck on your search,
Carol
Waneta Auto Recyclers
Trail BC

[bobafett]

lovely~ :) time to figure out how to actually modify the stock PS goodies, and do a brute force conversion to manual steering.

[Ichiban]

what!? i just talked to him and he said that he had several. i'll swing by this weekend and find out for sure. i'll check at Lordco too tomorrow, i've gotta pick up the rebuild kit for my 22R anyways.

[Ichiban]

I couldn't find a listing for a manual rack at lordco for the 86-89 Accords. they are calling the reman people tomorrow to find out more details on this nothingness.

[bobafett]

:( no good news i assume?

[Ichiban]

sorry, i've been hiding in the 1 and 2 gen forums, i'll do some more looking-into this week/weekend.

[Hash_man_Se_i]

Hey if you guys want manual racks PM me, I know our junkyard always has 3geez with them, or I can get one from the wreckers and use it as a core and get you a new reman one... let me know.

[bobafett]

hmm im definetly interested. could you also get the front x-member? im assuming shipping will be the bad part of this little venture. but if you are willing to pull this stuff or track it down (nothing available down here for me to pull) then pm me with a ballparked cost, and ill let you know.

thanks!

[Hash_man_Se_i]

sure... I'll hopefully make it to the wreckers in the next week sometime... school and work has taken up most of my schedule, so as soon as I do, I'll let you know. And I should be down in washington in a couple months... i know its a ways away, but you wouldn't have to pay shipping.... I'd just take it with me when I go to see my grandparents.

[Legend_master]

sure... I'll hopefully make it to the wreckers in the next week sometime... school and work has taken up most of my schedule, so as soon as I do, I'll let you know. And I should be down in washington in a couple months... i know its a ways away, but you wouldn't have to pay shipping.... I'd just take it with me when I go to see my grandparents.


So you have relatives in texas to, Right J/K ? If is dident have to get the cross member I would get one of these from you :violin: .

[bobafett]

yeah doesnt that suck?!!

well i wonder how much modifying would be involved in adapting the PS rack crossmember to work with manual rack...

[AccordEpicenter]

well what is the crossmember that requires mods? the one under the engine or the rear beam that the rack bolts to? Hash man can you still get the manual rack?

[bobafett]

i would assume the rear crossmember that the rack sits underneath. i didnt see any steering components near the 'front to back' crossmemeber. :)

oh ps:

i did a manual steering 'hack' on my setup. it is seriously pretty fine.
here is what I did:

- remove ALL my PS shit so i have a bare rack, and no rez, and no lines anywhere on the car
- take the lines that connect to the rack, and cut them, 1-2" from where they bolt in
- flare the ends a bit so hoses will fit tighter on the metal tubing.
- now you loop the connections take some hoses and connect a hose between the speedo sensor input and speedo sensor out put on the rack. these two lines have the 12mm bolt size and use the same size tubing
- now loop the pressurized input line to the output to the rack line, you will need a barbed fitting to step up the size of the hose, because the return line is a lot larger than the feed line. these lines are the ones that use the 14mm and the 17mm bolts to install into the rack.

make sure you use really good hose clamps. i think i still leak a little bit of fluid, but this works well for the time being. :)
doesnt take a TON of effort to turn the wheel, its very drivable, but yes you will need two hands! there is a method on honda-tech that involves using a res with a breather on it to allow easier movement of the wheel, and this is supposedly the setup that the RTR integras used!!

http://www.honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=184202

just in case you decide to convert instead of buying the rack. ALSO, the next thing I plan on trying is this:
http://flyinmiata.com/tech/depower.php?x=1

it seems like it would make the wheel super easy to turn because there is no seal to resist against movement that needs to push fluid! :)

[AccordEpicenter]

yeah i hate cornering at low speeds with my power steering disconnected/not working, but if i do that ill have arms like arnold. Im looking into depowering the power rack like the miata one, but im gonna find another rack so i can tear into it and then install it later.