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    Re: USDM Timing Belt for B20a

    Quote Originally Posted by TWOLOUDNPROUD
    One of the importer i use for my job also a distributer for foreign auto parts thay are like a hub for parts here in the us and they have just over a thousand them in stock here in the us.
    ok. when i get my b20a(s), i'll hit you up for a set.



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    Re: USDM Timing Belt for B20a

    Sweet! I need to replace mine and I diden't have a clue where to get one

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    Re: USDM Timing Belt for B20a

    Quote Originally Posted by thegreatdane
    Guaynabo is right, it's "PEUGEOT" and yes that's french and yes it's a shitty but unfortunately also a popular brand.
    Good job on the find!
    And I dont think this has been brought up before but you can also get the B20A water pump in the US. The 3rd gen prelude 2.0SOHC B20A3 engines use the excact same water pump as the B20A. Part number: 19200-PH3-000
    I thought that the B20a waterpump was internal?

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    Re: USDM Timing Belt for B20a

    Quote Originally Posted by carotman
    They have an online store or something?
    I'm sure a few guys would like to buy them. Do they carry other B20A parts?
    thay don't have a on line store and all they carry is the gasket for the B20a no other parts for it i ask him.He not suppose sell it to me but sins buy upwords 20grand from each month he does me a favor.If you go to the auto parts store and order it it would cost you just over 200+shipping they mark it up that sucks.So if any of you b20a guys need them i will sell them at what i pay for them 160+shipping i don't think shipping would be more then 6 to 10 dollars by UPS any where in the us.
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    Re: USDM Timing Belt for B20a

    Carotman add this timing belt to the parts list for the b20a (GATES TIMING BELT P/N-T188)
    LX-R coming soon Here's a hint. 89mm stroke/ 41.60cc head /ARP head & main stud's /SRP piston's 81.5mm 9:5:1/Crower Rod's & more to come

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    Re: USDM Timing Belt for B20a

    Quote Originally Posted by bullard123
    I thought that the B20a waterpump was internal?
    The waterpump is driven by the timing belt. The oilpump is internally driven.


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    Re: USDM Timing Belt for B20a

    Quote Originally Posted by bullard123
    I thought that the B20a waterpump was internal?
    LX-R coming soon Here's a hint. 89mm stroke/ 41.60cc head /ARP head & main stud's /SRP piston's 81.5mm 9:5:1/Crower Rod's & more to come

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    Re: USDM Timing Belt for B20a

    wow sweet!

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    Re: USDM Timing Belt for B20a

    yes it is
    LX-R coming soon Here's a hint. 89mm stroke/ 41.60cc head /ARP head & main stud's /SRP piston's 81.5mm 9:5:1/Crower Rod's & more to come

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    Re: USDM Timing Belt for B20a

    Guys see this site? http://www.honda-oz.org.au/home.html

    I found it trying to find belts and such. They have spare parts for sale and belt listing for Dayco and Gates.

    also this used engine seller

    http://www.parsausedengines.com/honda.html

    Not sure if it has been posted before.
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    Re: USDM Timing Belt for B20a

    Quote Originally Posted by TWOLOUDNPROUD
    Where is the oil pump then?
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    Re: USDM Timing Belt for B20a

    Quote Originally Posted by russiankid
    Where is the oil pump then?
    LX-R coming soon Here's a hint. 89mm stroke/ 41.60cc head /ARP head & main stud's /SRP piston's 81.5mm 9:5:1/Crower Rod's & more to come

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    Re: USDM Timing Belt for B20a

    Update if you want to look for this timing belt at you local part store this what you need to know (1990 PEUGEOT 405 MI16 L4 1.9 Liter FI DOHC ) That the right timing belt for the B20a JDM.
    LX-R coming soon Here's a hint. 89mm stroke/ 41.60cc head /ARP head & main stud's /SRP piston's 81.5mm 9:5:1/Crower Rod's & more to come

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    Re: USDM Timing Belt for B20a

    Quote Originally Posted by A20A1 View Post
    Guys see this site? http://www.honda-oz.org.au/home.html

    I found it trying to find belts and such. They have spare parts for sale and belt listing for Dayco and Gates.

    also this used engine seller

    http://www.parsausedengines.com/honda.html

    Not sure if it has been posted before.
    They are showing a B20A prelude engine 86-88 in stock ! (?) webiste shows current today's date

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    Re: USDM Timing Belt for B20a

    Quote Originally Posted by roodoo2 View Post
    They are showing a B20A prelude engine 86-88 in stock ! (?) webiste shows current today's date
    The gates (T188) works fine on the B20a. I have it on my B20a and it works fine.

    The stock Honda timing belt is on top and the gates is on the bottom.
    LX-R coming soon Here's a hint. 89mm stroke/ 41.60cc head /ARP head & main stud's /SRP piston's 81.5mm 9:5:1/Crower Rod's & more to come

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    Re: USDM Timing Belt for B20a

    thanks that is why I was looking at this thread, I have to take the crank pulley off and it never has been off so it is being a bear. (doing the water pump) so I may as well put on a belt. I was going to ask if the pew joe belt was still current information. Is that a commonly stocked item I dunno.
    My post above was for the link, that importer has a B20A in stock according to the site. 2nd gen lude which is the correct one for an Accord.
    Edit: every parts store is saying that one is only available factory direct, 3-5 days minimum. I should have ordered it already. ahhhh
    Edit: I notice you have ACG on there, and did you change the crank pulley? That set up still used the OEM B20A belt correct?
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    Re: USDM Timing Belt for B20a

    From Lotus information, apparantley the same belt too. Looks like a Nissan belt or even possibly Ford could work with further investigation. article next....
    A Gates Rubber Co. T-188 is a 133 tooth HTD timing belt that will work on 9XX engines 1986 onward. I'm not sure if the Gates T-188 is the same as the Gates PowerGrip HTD belt that is the Lotus B-prefix HSN belt. Or what the appropriate change interval would be for the T-188. The safe interval would be to treat it like an early, pre-California belt until you can confirm otherwise.

    Gates T188 Cross-Reference applications:

    Lotus 910 HC, 910 HCI, 912 HC, 920 - 1986 onwards.

    Peugeot 405, 1991 1.9L DOHC

    Nissan Maxima VG30E SOHC V6 engine after August 1994
    (Maxima, Pathfinder, 1987-88 200SX & 1984-94 300ZX non-turbo).

    In the US/ Canada, just order a Gates T-188.

    UK-owners have reported getting no where when asking for a Gates T-188, but advise that asking for a 5168NS works (NS = Non Standard). The belt that's delivered often shows up with the following long part number: 5168-58133-1-209DS. "5168" is the main identifier portion of the number.DS on end of part number indicates Made in Scotland. It's a T-188.

    The Nissan Maxima belt reference is for the VG30E SOHC engine as used in Nissan Maxima, Pathfinder, some? Pickup Truck, 1987-88 200SX and 1984-94 300ZX non-turbo. It uses a 133 tooth timing belt that will also fit on Lotus 9XX engines. However, like the Lotus engines, the Nissan went through an evolution of timing belts. So not all years of Nissan VG30E timing belts will fit your Lotus. More importantly, not all Nissan VG30E round-tooth timing belts will fit a Lotus.

    (Ford used a variation on the same Nissan engine in the joint-developed Villager/Quest mini-van. However Ford insisted the engine be re-designed for a clearance valve train. The result was the V40 engine = Villager/Quest mini-van. But I'm not certain the Ford-spec version used the same T-188 timing belt ?? Something else to check out.)

    The earliest versions of the Nissan VG30E engine used a trapezoidal toothed belt that will also fit on early Lotus 9XX engines.

    Later versions went through a series of round-toothed timing belts. Don't make the mistake of assuming all round tooth Nissan VG30E timing belts are created equal and install just any round tooth Nissan belt on your 9XX. Only the last iteration (the HTD tooth belt) will fit Lotus engines with HTD belts… see below.

    Nissan round tooth belts:

    Pre – July 1993 = SHALLOW Groove, round tooth, 60k miles?
    Jul 93 -- Aug 94 = DEEP Groove, round tooth, 60k miles
    Aug 94 Onward = HTD (Gates T188), 105k miles <<<< this one !
    Lotus owners want to use the last version of the Nissan belt (Aux 1994 onward – Gates T-188 HTD timing belt.
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    Re: USDM Timing Belt for B20a

    Using the above information I crossed the number over to a Gates T249 which is a 1"1X49 7/8 133tooth belt. This belt is for the Nissan and Mercury Villager. This may be a more common stocked item.
    Now I am not sure about the tooth size and shape, I will get one to see.
    EDIT Got it ! looks identical. cost me $15.99
    Thanks to Twoloudnproud for doing the homework on the size and part numbers so I could research the crossover numbers to the Lotus sites where I found the info to a more common application of Nissan Vg30 and Infinity 33.
    Last edited by 2oodoor; 09-18-2008 at 09:23 AM.

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    Re: USDM Timing Belt for B20a

    After thinking about this, since that Lotus article was from UK , and the crossover information was inclusive of UK part numbers from Gates.. I wonder why EDM Honda B20A was not showing up. Is that a different belt than the 133 tooth? What gates number crosses over for that belt in UK I wonder..

    also.. ?Since this includes the Mercruy Villager Nissan born engine that means there is a Motorcraft number too.

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    Re: USDM Timing Belt for B20a

    I got an (i believe) goodyear 026-249 belt. The parts store had it listed for a 4 cylinder Nissan Xterra.
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    Re: USDM Timing Belt for B20a

    I think the belt width might be different. I got the Gates T249 from NAPA, and I do believe it's wider, but doesn't seem to matter. Car runs perfect with it. The Nissan Xterra I got mine off of was a V6 though. It was listed to fit a Villager V6 as well.

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    Re: USDM Timing Belt for B20a

    Posted 09-18-2008, Message #42
    Quote Originally Posted by roodoo2 View Post
    From Lotus information, apparantley the same belt too. Looks like a Nissan belt or even possibly Ford could work with further investigation. article next....

    A Gates Rubber Co. T-188 is a 133 tooth HTD timing belt that will work on Lotus 9XX engines 1986 onward. (Snip)... see msg #42 for the rest
    Hi,
    I wrote the original Lotus message that was quoted in part in Msg #42. I'm in the USA, but that message is scattered all over the Lotus community. I'm not surprised someone found it on a UK site.

    The basic belt is an industry standard HTD spec with a 0.375" tooth pitch and 133 teeth. When they're made, they're laid-up in very wide bands on a drum mandrel, and then narrow loops are sliced off in whatever width is required for a given application.

    Belt technology has evolved over time, and continues to do so. The basic dimensions of the .375 pitch HTD have remained the same, but the materials and lay-up have improved.

    The Gates T188 belt is a .375" pitch HTD-spec that's 25.4 mm (1.0") wide, and made to the original mid-1980's technology (circa 1985-86?). The main components being HCR rubber (High-Temp Neoprene/ Chloroprene) and a glass cord body. They're the inexpensive "economy" belts you can still buy. They're not as stable, so check the tension regularly; and they don't last as long so replace them more frequently. The Gates T188 part number works in North America and Australia (elsewhere?). In the UK, the T188 is known as the Gates 5168NS (or the long version: 5168-58133-1-209DS). 5168NS may work in parts of Europe, but there it's also known as the Gates 5206 for the Peugeot MI 16 L4 1.9 DOHC. T188, 5168NS and 5206 all come off the same tooling, they just have different markings printed on them.

    The Gates T249 belt is dimensionally the same as the T188, however it uses HSN rubber (Highly Saturated Nitrile) that was introduced a decade later (around 1994-95) and has reinforced teeth. The T249 is significantly more durable, so the belt change interval is much longer. They're the "long life" or "extended service" belts.

    The current, modern generation of timing belts uses HNBR rubber, which is another quantum leap forward in durability (HNBR = Hydrogenated Acrylonitrile-Butadiene Rubber... the "N" is for Nitrile, the common nickname for Acrylonitrile). The Gates Racing version of the HNBR belt uses a glass cord body, Kevlar tooth reinforcement and a Nylon tooth jacket that, overall, doubles tooth strength. Unfortunately, I've not found any manufacturer, including Gates, who is bothering to develop HNBR belts for old applications... there are no listings for the old Nissan VG30E, Peugeot MI16, Honda B20a applications.

    However, JAE, an independent Lotus parts supplier in Goletta, CA, has worked directly with Gates Racing Products to develop an HNBR version of the .375" pitch HTD for use on the Lotus engines. Gates Racing does low-volume, short-run products for special, high performance racing applications, and operates outside the normal Gates "big business", so they were willing to produce a special belt.

    The .375" pitch HTD belt Lotus uses is unique in being a little wider than most at 26.4 mm (1.039"). Most other applications, like the Nissan VG30E V6, Peugeot MI16 L4 1.9 liter DOHC, and the generic Gates T188 and T249 belts are 1 mm narrower at 25.4 mm (1.0") wide. If the wider Lotus belt will fit on your Honda pulleys, then it's otherwise the same pitch, mesh, number of teeth and length.

    For my education, what is the Honda B20a OEM belt's width? Which Honda models use that engine/ belt. That would be helpful cross-ref info for Lotus owners.

    I'm a Lotus guy, I don't know Honda or the B20a engine (I found this site while searching for other Lotus timing belt cross references), and I don't know if your engines can accept a 1 mm wider belt than the standard Gates T188 / T249. But if you're interested in the HNBR belt upgrade, contact:
    JAE, Jeff Robbinson, (805) 967-5767.

    I'm new here and the system won't let me post an email address until after I’ve posted 5 messages, so here's Jeff’s email non-address.
    Jeff at JAEparts dot com

    The HNBR belt is expensive at something north of US$100, but it's better, stronger, more durable. It's also more stable and will have to be re-tensioned less often. The Lotus engine uses a manual tensioner, so that's important to us.

    I have no business interest in JAE. I'm just a Lotus owner, and I've found JAE to be a straight-up resource I can trust. However, they don't know Honda, so you'll have to work with them collaboratively if this HNBR belt is to be of any value to the Honda world.

    JAE has made the HNBR belt they developed available to other Lotus vendors if they wish to carry it. If the HNBR belt fits Honda applications, I'm certain Jeff would be happy to work with a Honda specialist or two in order to make it more available to Honda owners. But I'll leave that up to you guys to work out if you're interested.

    Regards,
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    Re: USDM Timing Belt for B20a

    Wow man. That is way more info on timing belts than I ever could have imagined knowing. It would be great to get a higher-performance timing belt... even if we're not using them for racing purposes, I suppose it would be a longer-lasting belt that would require changing at a longer interval?

    Thanks for the info! I think that $100 is not bad for a little reassurance that we're not going to destroy our engines that aren't available in this country.

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    Re: USDM Timing Belt for B20a

    I actually found a 133 or 128 tooth (I forget) Gator Belt (advanced auto parts brand they order) that was 31/32" (which is about 24.5mm roughly?)

    Works like a dream.

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    Re: USDM Timing Belt for B20a

    Very interesting post. I don't know if 26.4mm would work. I measured 3 OEM Honda Timing belts I have here and they all are 23mm wide.

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