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I am wanting to build a grip machine that can corner sharp as hell. Can anyone tell me what I need? I have this web site so far and I was wondering if anyone could tell me anything about their products.
http://www.ground-control.com/
If any one else has any webpages or products that they know work I would appreciat you letting me know. Thank you.
You can order their coilovers and the Koni Special sturts they carry and get a rear Suspension Techniques sway bar from www.nopionline.com and find a way to add poly urathane bushings to the stock front sway bar and end links.Quote:
Originally posted by Reptile
I am wanting to build a grip machine that can corner sharp as hell. Can anyone tell me what I need? I have this web site so far and I was wondering if anyone could tell me anything about their products.
http://www.ground-control.com/
If any one else has any webpages or products that they know work I would appreciat you letting me know. Thank you.
If you want to kick it up a notch higher get the ground-control coilovers with custom stiffer springs, 400lbs front and 350lbs in the rear and order Bilstein H.D. struts from shox.com and have them send the struts back to Bilstein to have them revalved to be able to handle the stiffer springs. No matter what I would recommend light weight 15" rims40mm offset 12lbs or less with 205/50-15 Falken Azenis Sports. If you have to have 16" find some that are 15lbs or less and run with 45mm offset so you can run 215/40-16 size.
Well I really don't want to lower my car, I'm already so low I scrape all kinds of things. I live in MO, the third worst roads in the entire country. Thank you though if I have any other questions I'll post them here. Now I just need to do some research.
Jim, i know this might be off topic for this thread and i should be able to find it elsewhere, but if i got the Suspension Tech rear swaybar for my LX, would i have to drill to install it or are the holes there?
Why, I've allready done a ton of that, ask your reasearch question? If I don't know the answer I will do the reasearch for you and get the answer. Thats something I do for members.Quote:
Originally posted by Reptile
Now I just need to do some research.
If you don't want to lower your car yet you still want a grip machine, all the reasearch in the world will not turn up stiffer springs that have stock ride height, they do not exist. All you do is get the coilovers and set them to a stock ride height. Are mention that your car is low allready and hits things. You must mean that the springs/struts are letting this happen, or is your car lowered?
As you car come from the factory honda and pretty much every car manufactuer in the world like to dial in lots of nice safe understeer. If you were to shift more of the cars cornering load to the rear and ask the rear to do more work. The cars cornering balance becomes more bananced with less understeer and you will corner faster. That is why if you look at the post I did at the top of this section you will see a list of most all the lowering springs that show's how much stiffer than stock they are, it will show that most of them increase the spring stiffness in the rear more than the front. Increasing rear sway bar size and not the front sway bar is another way to increase rear roll stiffness and reduce undeersteer.
It's not that I ned you to so much tell me what I need, I need to look around and see what I like best. I don't want to burden you to much with a responceability that should be mine. However I will stick around this topic and ask you for your help if I need it, for the most part I just don't want to bother you. Plus I need some ideas anyway. Thank you for your help and like I said I'll contact you agian, because I am surtain i'm not smart enough about this stuff to ge it right on my own. lol.
In short I just need to shop around your site for a while.:)
ok, keep in mind that the list of what they make for our cars is a short one, especially with the sturts. I've run several cominations and I've read pretty much every reply on the topic for the last 2 years. And I know the techs for pretty much all the strut makers out their and I regularly talk to them. I'm here to help and lots of people ask me allot of questions allot of times over their stay here on the board. Asking me a question, no matter how offten or how small, is never a problem in any way. And I mean that. Never shy away from me because you think you are bothering me, that's not possible. I'm here to help other's not waste their time and money by getting their suspension wrong. When I first started out I had to do all the reasearch to get my car right. I want to save people from that.
Jim C.
Hey jim instead of making a new thread for this i'll just ask ya here.
What would be my next best upgrade for the $, I have monroe sensatrac on all 4 (new) and a set of used blue lowering springs from the wrecker. Also have urethane front sway bar bushings and 4 new lwr control arm bushings. The car just doesn't stick to the corners the way i'd like it too. I had 88 lude with just cut springs and it just kicked in the corners compared to the 3gee.
Any tips/ideas is appreciated - thanx
Were both cars run on the same rims and tires? Your sig says you have 17's, what tire are you running with them? And is you car a model that has a rear sway bar?Quote:
Originally posted by GreenMachine
Hey jim instead of making a new thread for this i'll just ask ya here.
What would be my next best upgrade for the $, I have monroe sensatrac on all 4 (new) and a set of used blue lowering springs from the wrecker. Also have urethane front sway bar bushings and 4 new lwr control arm bushings. The car just doesn't stick to the corners the way i'd like it too. I had 88 lude with just cut springs and it just kicked in the corners compared to the 3gee.
Any tips/ideas is appreciated - thanx
Yes it has rear sway bar, have never replaced the bushings though. Also yes there are on same rims and 2 of the tires are diff now but same make yokahama 205/40 not sure of model.
I was thinkin maybe some r. urethane sway bar bushings, does anyone make them for us ? and would i notice a big diff if i put new springs in - thanks again
PS - I read in another post you crashed your hatch is that correct :(
Yes some lame women pulled out in front of me. I can't wait till I'm I can go back to work and collect from her insurance company,grrrr.Quote:
Originally posted by GreenMachine
Yes it has rear sway bar, have never replaced the bushings though. Also yes there are on same rims and 2 of the tires are diff now but same make yokahama 205/40 not sure of model.
I was thinkin maybe some r. urethane sway bar bushings, does anyone make them for us ? and would i notice a big diff if i put new springs in - thanks again
PS - I read in another post you crashed your hatch is that correct :(
Find out what model of tire from yokahama is on both front rims, would like to know. Urathane bushings in the sway bars will not make the bars act like they are thicker, they reduce the responce time between action and reaction. Since their isn't soft rubber that has to be compressed for the bars to do their job. At this point I'm wondering about the front tires ability to grip and if the springs have moved more of the cornering load to the front. This would make the car understeer (plow) more and cornering speeds would go down. Also your struts don't have enough power to control stiffer than stock springs so the car won't feel as responsive or lively as it would with firmer struts. And that would go along with lower cornering speeds over less than smooth pavement as well, since weaker sturts let springs do things their not surposed to do over bumps and ruff pavement.
Different springs may be what could fix things in the short term. What shade of blue are those springs? How much of a drop do you think they are?
JIM... you seem to be the gurue in this deal... so I have a question, not sure if this is the correct topic for this thread but...
I have an 86 accord HB LXi, I have lowered it 2 3/4 and I am running 205-45-16.. I was goin around corners like mad and grip hard, but recent times.. it seems to sink in to one side and scrap the back passenger wheel well.. and that seems to be the only side?? :wtf:
I am goin to replace the struts with monroe sensatrac's this weekend, but you think something else might have gone bad... anything I should look for??
hope you can help :bow:
Low tek, I'd check you suspension bushings at that rear side and your ball joints as well. What offset are you running anyway's?
How do you have a 2 3/4% drop, coilovers or cut springs?
monroe = kinda crappy...i have 'em too...i want konis...
Alex
haha - not sure for the off set... but the springs were cut, smoothed and cleaned up.. the stopper was cut in half, and all put back together...
Ya the struts wre only $250 can. and my car had the originals with 350000km so I didn't have a lot of $ at the time cause I was doin the efi conversion and figured the be a hell of a lot better. So basically if I want better cornering then I should cut the springs so it it sits lower :D
thats what I did... cut springs, bad ass.. and teh for camber kit - do 87 lude upper control arms, and then get a camber kit for the back...
oh yea baby!!! lol
It's not so much that I think that I'm really a bother to you. In fact I admire your dedication, people like you are one of the big reasons I enjoy this site so much. I just need to look at what you have given me and see if I want to do it or not. Just out of curiousity, what do you think would maximize my handling the most, where can I get it, and what have you done or plan to do to your own car to improve it's handleing?
Wheels and tires, definately a first step. Something that doesn't weigh allot 15lbs per rim or lower if you can afford it. 15" or 16"Quote:
Originally posted by Reptile
It's not so much that I think that I'm really a bother to you. In fact I admire your dedication, people like you are one of the big reasons I enjoy this site so much. I just need to look at what you have given me and see if I want to do it or not. Just out of curiousity, what do you think would maximize my handling the most, where can I get it, and what have you done or plan to do to your own car to improve it's handleing?
www..whalentire.com has a good selection and www.discounttiredirect.com has some nice light konigs that won't kill your wallet. Used acura teg rims from the 94-95 gsr look really nice on our cars and weigh 15lbs. They can usually be found for less than $250, usually with tires on them. Tire sizes you will want to run are 195/55-15 or (better) 205/50-15. For 16" 205/45-16.
Then go to a junk yard and pull a rear sway bar of a lxi or Sei and it's mounting hardware (good cheap mode). That will reduce the car's understeer some.
Next would be the springs and struts
My first mod was the rims and tires, it made a big differance, without much sacrifice with the ride. Next came the springs and struts. That further improved things. Then came better front struts, that again really improved things even more.
Well I wasn't going to change my rims, I stole them off my old LX-i and thus I'm kind of partial to them (they are the alloy ones). The junk yard thing wont work, there simply isn't any Hondas in a junk yard within a 30 min drive from where I live, and I seriously don't think there are any 3geez at all! I was going to get tires down the road though. So then the link I provided about the kit I was thinking about buying realy wouldn't help me any? If so that sucks. Your npoi link however has a lot of things I'm interested in, I just need to look at it a little more. Thank you once again for your help.
Hey ya know since you've got 14" rims you can get some really awesome high performance tire's Falken azenis sports their only $45 a tire and they kick serious butt. I think the 15"s would be better with the 205's, but those falken's will kick it up a notch for you.Quote:
Originally posted by Reptile
Well I wasn't going to change my rims, I stole them off my old LX-i and thus I'm kind of partial to them (they are the alloy ones). The junk yard thing wont work, there simply isn't any Hondas in a junk yard within a 30 min drive from where I live, and I seriously don't think there are any 3geez at all! I was going to get tires down the road though. So then the link I provided about the kit I was thinking about buying realy wouldn't help me any? If so that sucks. Your npoi link however has a lot of things I'm interested in, I just need to look at it a little more. Thank you once again for your help.
The www.ground-control.com link has thier coilovers and if you search the site they carry the Koni struts as well.. But you can get the Koni's for a little less and save allot on shipping at www.shox.com Nopi has the ground-congrol coilovers for $10 less, to save a few bucks.
Does any company make urethane rear sway bar bushings or even larger sway bars
thanks
No company makes direct replacement urathane bushings. However, if you use the search button on the board at the top, you can run a search sway bar bushings and you'll be able to find some of the posts were members tell how they used certain kits and part numbers to do just that.Quote:
Originally posted by GreenMachine
Does any company make urethane rear sway bar bushings or even larger sway bars
thanks
Suspension Techniques and Addco both make sway bars for our cars. The addco bars are on back order and do to order levels, they will not be produced any time soon. The S/T front bar is only 1/16" thicker, so it represents a very small improvement, but it does of course have the urathane bushings on it. The S/T rear car is 1/8" thicker so it makes more of a differance. S/T front bar 15/16" rear bar 5/8" (stock 7/8" front 1/2" rear) You can do better if you want:D http://www.sanerperffab.com/products.htm
Send sanner a stock front and or rear sway bar(s) and all the links and mounting hard ware and for $180 per bar, they can make a larger copy of it for you. I was planning on using them, before the wreck that is.
Hey are LX-i sway bars (front and back) the same as SE-i sway bars? Do bigger aftermarket sway bars for front and back make a big difference? What about shock tower braces like the one DC sports makes for the PGM cars?
