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nice set up
i was hoping to be street tunning next weekend but i am having trouble with the dizzy.
either i get it figured out or ill have to go with an optical or a magnetic pickup crank trigger.
looking good
thanks
she 's comming along slowly. The machine shop should be done wih my distributer either today or monday.
once i get her running she'll get paint.
aaahhhhaaahahaha!
i got her running!
with alittle help from ford....
heres one for the r&d department.
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I didn't get any pic's of the ford tfi before it was machined..
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 89turbo'ed
DUDE!!!! you fuking rock!!!! :rockon:
get us some more info on what you did there :thumbup:
Looks great.
well there isnt much to say on this mod except for it was easy and the price wasnt too bad.Quote:
Originally Posted by gfrg88
i paid $125 for the machine work.
too tell you the truth i got frustrated with the honda dist..
the dist. would'nt talk to the commander.
soo i had a ford dist. sittin around it had plenty of meat on it and it looked like it would be a good match.
i went to burts machine and told them i needed the base of the ford to mirror the honda 2 days later it was a perfect match.
the old a20 fired up right off.
just think of the possibilities.....svo ecu swap. other options such as mass air and tunner software.
I'm in love with your engine!
updated pic for you...
http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/7...ture0638qf.jpg
:) hotness, seeing your car is making me think of going turbo
heres another one.
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nice!
how do you have that lil radiator on there. and are you afraid of the support not being there because you cut that top part of the engine bay where the hood latches to?
So no DIY info on getting that dis to fit... what car is it from?
Is the clearance between the cam bearing and the distributor that tight that it doesn't need any screws to hold it in place?
the radiator is mounted on 3 points for now and the support isn't there because these are progressive pic's i have'nt modified and installed it yet.
by the way its a bolt on peice not a cut out peice.
a20 there is not alote to tell...this part of the project you need to take it to a machinest.
all you have to do is tell them to match the honda dist from the base out to the cam key.remove the key and mill the ford shaft to fit the key.
make sure they have the cap and rotor of both so they can clock the key correctly. pay close attention to the cam key it is slightly off center to only fit one way.
a few years ago i turbo'ed the first ford tempo with the 2.3 hsc ohv and made about 250 hp to the wheels and is still currntly the worlds fastest :LOL: . i then bought my accord and took alote of The part's i had and built a turbo accord. this dist is from a 86 ford tempo, but you can also use parts from a svo mustang, hsc mustang,thunderbird turbo coupe and a ranger.
i am not good at write up's so i hope this will do.
i forgot... bb chevy mount i had to drill a new hole behind chevy hole.
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so does it run???? what ecu are you using?? do you have build a conversion harness???
she's at the ideling stage of tunning, and I am still putting her back together.
I am waiting for servion to get back from las vegas to street tune then dyno tune.
i am using the holley commander 950 standalone and yea i had to make a harness for the altonator and starter wire.
I am guessing that what you are asking me is if i am using a ford ecu, no.
but it isn't that hard to pull a ecu and harness from a ford and adapt it to the honda.
it's just wires and sensors.
another progress pic....
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dude im loving your car more and more :D
what else do you have, as in any internal parts???
the short block is fully built. JE 10.5:1 pistons eagle H beam rods acl bearings and the rotating assembly is fully ballanced. Everything else is brand new,oil pump,water pump and altonator.
head work will be the next thing i get done.
wow, 10.5:1 compression on a turbo set-up? that sounds like some good power is going to be produced right there.
holy shit dude, thats fuken awesome!!! so how much boost you planning on running?? what numbers are you looking for on the dyno?? :DQuote:
Originally Posted by 89turbo'ed
i should be able to hit 350-400 hp but we'll see...
as far as boost goes i'll do what it takes to get those #'s
nice!
#'s soon!
sorry for no up dates!
I have had alote of drama in my life lately so i havent tuned yet.
hopefully tommarrow servion and I will get to base tune and street tune the accord.
We are looking for dyno tunning in another week or two.
another summer is about gone.
I am still working the bugs out but i hope to be on the dyno real soon.
:SAD: well maybe next summer.
while street tunning something let loose....I cant tell where in the engine, so she'll have to be torn down again.
I guess I'll tear down the trans while the moter is out rebuild them both.
see you guy's down the road..
that hella sucks....yeah you should of done a compression test to find out the condition of the motor....i dont think the stock engine can handle that much boast....how much were you running anyways?Quote:
Originally Posted by 89turbo'ed
It's no where near stock. the bottom end is fully built.
fully ballanced with eagle H beams, je pistons,ect.
as far as leakdown she was under 4% accross the board.
the thing is that we were tunning @ 8#'s on the street then next week we were going to dyno tune and raise the boost till we hit the 400hp mark.
It almost sounds like the oil pump exploded. who knows.
that sucks, but it makes you sound like a badass
"my car is so powerful parts of it explode" hahaha
I didnt mean for it to sound that way.
I havent been able to pull the motor appart yet but it seem's that the timing belt jumped a tooth.
i started the car and put the stethascope to it, the noise is comming from the the top of the motor on the #1 cyl.(on the head and exhaust runner)
i wounder if a valve is slaping the piston?...
do you guy's think that skipping a tooth would cause the valve to hit the piston?
its very possible, these are interference engines.
what's there to say.
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this is a good one
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the bad
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the crank is also trash.
double check the guy in the machine shop!
one bolt was torqed to only 22 ft/lbs the other to 62 ft/lbs
double post.
what's to say, you say? i guess i'd have to say that there's a machine shop that owes you at least the labor to rebuild your motor, if not the parts as well.
:werd: , how does the combustion chamber look?Quote:
Originally Posted by Vanilla Sky
pretty much it has been labeled as a racing engine so it's as is no warranty.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vanilla Sky
I will go talk to them on tesday, but i think it wont get me anywhere.
the block is undammaged, the head looks ok, but i'll have to smooth the edges where the piston hit it. Atleast till i can afford head work.
well guy's as i stated the machine shop wont admit to any wrong doing...
that's ok though i'll do it all myself this time.
i got a doner engine form the j/y had the crank micro pollished at a different shop. line boared all the rods to match, painted the block gloss black with clear coat. I begain assembly crank and rods are back in, now time to put the head and alt ect. in. I am waiting for a reply on a certain ramhorn manifold but if that falls through i will build a tunned manifold.
Damn dude thats a badass setup, it looks liek you put alot of work into this motor. Good job and get some videos when it is running.
can you take more pictures of the exhaust manifold and turbo. I want to see how it sits there.
Did you make your own manifold?
god that sucks. I would replace that rod as it looks like its been heated up some, might have drawn the temper out of it. So all it was was the number 1 rod bearing spun? It could have been worse... More pics!! What kind of slugs were those anyway?
they are JE's 10.5:1 compression pistons.
i'll tell you what sucks! every crevice and oil line was contaminated, I spent 8 hours just cleaning the junk out.
as far as pic's go i only have 1 more with the motor out.
I am puting it back in now,but i can get some with it hanging loose though.
imageshack is sucking ass right now so i cant even get the one up.
are you using main studs and what headgasket are you using? Im going for big boost on stock compression with big head/intake work...
i just want to see how you did your exhaust manifold. I am collecting data for my own turbo manifold that i hope i will make it in about a year or so.
for the time being i am only using new stock bolts and felpro head gaskets until it's fully tuned. I'd rather blow a head gasket then incinerate the pistons.Quote:
Originally Posted by AccordEpicenter
I am not going to run past 14#'s(well i'll try not to) till i get my spare head done and then i'll go copper w/arp's and 25-30#'s. Right now this head is my weakest link.
I am trying to go in stages if that makes any sense.
let me know what you find for good head parts....
shep...
start buying part's now....
the good stuff isn't cheap,and you'll actually spend alot on the little stuff.
I got some more pic's today well see if they will post.
I'll tell you straight up this manifold isn't my best work but it was done quick and cheap. $70 in part's and 3 hours time
sooner or later it will go on the for sale section after i build a fully tuned top mount.
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before anyone say's anything i am trying something different.
the t3/t4e 62-1 stage 3 went from a 63ar back to a 48ar turbine housing. I want to see what difference it will make in spool time. I also want to se if it will run out.
dam i'll have to go 1 size smaller next time! lol
^^^you got to love the A20A3T.....just hot^^^once you get it running i would love to see a video of that beast.
I have vids! if i can get them off my other computer....
I have one of me smokin a wrx by a car off the line..
if i remeber right she does a 1.7 60 ft.
i burned a disk... and nothing.
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Originally Posted by 89turbo'ed
was this at bandimere?? when are you going back out there?? im gonna hopefully be back there this wed night :D
thanks for the pictures.
when you get ready to sell the manifold, let me know. I am interested.
I don't know about your but if you are saying that all it took you 3 hours and $70 worth of materials, you may want to tink about making them for extra money. I am sure you can sell them for $300-350 no problem.
How much would you charge to make one if i supply all the parts and pay for all the shipping?
I'd buy one for $200.
i wanna see the vid!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
id pay 200!! too and i also want to see the vid.
untill i find the time to srew with a dieing computer the vid wont be up soon.
as for manifolds....
i'll have to check on prices again... bends.
i'll have to order header flanges and t/3 flanges or what ever flange for the turbo you were going to use.
another question would be what wastegate flange if any?
if you all are interested.
the manifold on the pic is just something i threw together with bends and scrap steel.
if i was to sell and item like this it would have to look alittle more profesional
and would be more than $200.
I try not to do anything for under $40 an hour.
i'll start pricing everything tommarrow.
the maniflod on my car will be going up soon and i'll take 200+shipping.
as for orders i'll take 1 at a time when i deside to start production. consider it a waiting list. I will not ask for money till i am ready to ship.when i ship i prefer paypal, money order,western union.
damb it sounds like i am committing.
alote of it is how much time i have giving that i work 10-12 hour days in construction.
should i start a feeler thread?
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Originally Posted by 89turbo'ed
i say you start a feeler thread. turbo manifolds would be awesome, maybe you can try some race headers for the carb guys, or the ones going for NA power. i would definately buy a turbo manifold :D
Im gonna have to see, i was thinking about using an SC61 but idk. How did the 62-1 spool? Im guessing .63 housing and stage 3 turbine? or maybe stage 5?
i noticed a large decrease in bottom end power with the .63 stage 3.
the car wasn't as violent as it was with the .48...
there was a noticeable increse on the top end but then you run out of rpm.
the powerband with the 62-1 was too narrow, unless you feel comfertible reving to 9 grand.
im gonna try a .63 stage 1 and see where it chokes the motor off (my guess is 350whp?) then ill try a stage 2 or 3. What rpm was the .63 stage 3 fully boosted by? Did you run that on the 60-1 and the 62-1? Im sure my (secret spec) compressor housing will flow over a 60-1
I would try a stage 2 unless you fab up a tuned manifold.Quote:
Originally Posted by AccordEpicenter
i may go ahead and keep the stage 3 but tune the manifold around 3500 rpm.
the 62-1 spooles at about 4000-4200 rpm.
isnt the t3/t04e 62-1 stage 3 rated at 700 hp?
my guess with the stage 1 it will run out at 400-425 at high boost.
one other thing about the 62-1...it comes alive past 14lbs.
manifolds....
i am looking around town for decently priced flanges, but if not i can make them.
Hmm i was thinking about using an SC61 precision turbo but the turbine sizes on them are HUGE. 4000-4200 isnt too bad, my .63 stage 1 was fully boosted by 4k ish. Im going for big power here, so 4000-4200 will work fine.
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heres the video!
launch with street tires(pratice)
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early morning run...
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these was before the upgrades
nice vid... nice setup. I can't wait to get mt turbo put in as soon as i get back from the desert. That $h!t make me drool . My tuner is working on my dizzy while i'm gone but i'm going with the AEM EMS.
that thing sounds fuking badass man!!!! get some better vids of the gauge cluster for us with good lighting. :thumbup:
YOur car is on Park.....lol...anyways nice vid...i like the practice run.
the vids could have been better but they'll do. my cam kinda sucks no zoom.
first off you guys are doing a great job out there, keep up the good work.Quote:
Originally Posted by military mase
thanks! it sure is addictive though..
are you doing a 4g dizzy?
let me know how the aem works out...
it does sound pretty cool, the 3" exhaust gave it a deeper tone.Quote:
Originally Posted by gfrg88
i am glad that it doesn't sound like a typical coffee can honda.
i wish i had a better camera... i'll see what i can do though..
I can pull the motor 2 times a year but I cant seem to switch the guage cluster...lolQuote:
Originally Posted by MessyHonda
that run wasnt too bad..traction was killing me.
what was the time you ran in the one against the subaru??
I think it was like a 14.8 or a 14.9... at 4900 ft elev. correction factor of .9393
i couldent find the time slip..
Yeah ,i'mdoing the 4g dizzy. my tuner is very electrially inclined. He does good work. Works mostly on Nissans thought but I'm gonna purchase the AEm EMS as soon as i get back. What kinda tires you running/psi. I know once you get up to a certain amount of whp traction sucks. That a FWD for yah. Are you dumping the clutch or feathering?
that vid was with street tires 20psi 205/17/45's
i was praticeing both ways..
the vid with the suby i was running drag radials at 18psi 205/50/14's
dumping the clutch with minimal slipage.
then i droped down to 12psi with no slippage.
update:
all right i have a couple of flanges getting water-jetted for an a20 header and garrett t/3 turbo 4 bolt and 5 bolt exhaust flanges. I am still looking for a good line on bends.
prices wont be posted yet.(Q.C.)
I am still waiting on the flanges,the guy doing them went to kans for a pinks episode.
but hopefully he'll get them done soon.
to start with i will build 1 log manifold to guage interest, and a tunned long tube manifold for me.
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i priced everything for this manifold and damb!! thats why they want $650 for them.... I am thinking i can do them alote cheaper depending on the time it takes to build one.. have to build 1 first then make a jig.
this manifold will have to have the following mods for it to work.
power steering pump removal.
ac pump removal and supporting parts.
civic half size radiator.
slim rad fan.
if you are interested in this manifold the removals and extra parts shouldnt be a problem for you.
as for the log manifold goes, i have seen all the pics faq page and you have seen mine.
where will be the best place for the exhaust flange?
keep in mind radiant heat from the turbo.....
I have not made a formal thread yet because of flange availibility...
If i like these flanges that are getting water jetted i will then order a bunch of them and get rolling.
all the pipe and bends will be made of sch 40 316 stainless steel.
please dont clutter this thread with sensless b/s please.
and you couldent get flanges from bmc race? thats where i got my flange for my new ram horn manifold. i am usening bends from ace stainless, the best prices i found. so far i am about $150 into supplies for the manifold.
i had no idea how much supplies cost for making a manifold. so i guess i got a pretty decent deal on my manifold then.
what size of tubing are used for the runners usually?
sick man... i bet that thing is crazy fast.... what kind of car is that TB off?
how much whp?
I can get them there but i can get them cheeper here and w/out shipping.Quote:
Originally Posted by SQ is the SQUAD
post up them pic's when you are done...
One step up from stock 1.5 inches...Quote:
Originally Posted by newaccorddriver
It is pretty quick, havent had a chance to dyno due to problems...70mm off of a 5.0 mustangQuote:
Originally Posted by hotdoghogie
can you hook a brotha up??? pm me some info on where youre getting them made at since im out here too now :rockon: and maybe you can build me a manifold, or i can be your ginney(sp) pig :DQuote:
Originally Posted by 89turbo'ed
is this for your car??? or are you gonna build one similar to this?!?Quote:
Originally Posted by 89turbo'ed
^^^that is if you used the header....i like his log mani....like you said you can be his ginney pig.
that's what i am going to build for my car....Quote:
Originally Posted by gfrg88
I was searching the net for ideas and i stummbled onto that one on ebay they wanted 650 for it..
If you were here in the springs i would use you for my ginney pig but seeing that i dont drive my car verry much in the winter i use her for for a guide....
ooh on the flange....in do time grasshopper.
messy you like the placement on my log?
yes i do 89turbo'edQuote:
Originally Posted by 89turbo'ed
i asked for opinions and you are the first...
paint the engine bay,other than that badass man good job
right on... I'll add that to my list..Quote:
Originally Posted by wprocomp
but i was talking turbo placement on a log manifold for the 3rd gen.
cool anyway.
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Originally Posted by 89turbo'ed
so your using 1 5/8 inch piping?
no sir , i may have worded it improperly...lol
stock is slightly smaller than 1.5"....
all the pipe on the new turbo manifolds will be 1.5"
heh, i never knew stockers were 1.5Quote:
Originally Posted by 89turbo'ed
when you get flanges, sell me one of them, i wanna get rid of the current manifold i have now and make my own and see it explode
#103 has been edited....Quote:
Originally Posted by newaccorddriver
no no their smaller...
I think i am going to have to bump up the order...lol
but ya no problem.
what kinda material are they made out of? im not sure if mild steel would go good with stainless steel or anything like that. and i dont like the cast iron to steel manifold i have as those welds look piss poor at best
how much would a flange cost roughly?
(page 5 post 89)stainless steel pipe mild 3/8's or ss 3/8's flange.
price depends on how many i order....i will say the ss flange will be slightly more.
ya it is hard as fuk to weld cast to steel.,
well i guess this dubbed my build page so......
I tunned the old sleeper last night......
I am going to give you 2 sets of numbers..
#1 will be on a dyno dynamics dynamometer.
#2 will be corrected dyno jet numbers.
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this was tunned at 13.3 psi 49% injector duty cycle....
we could have pulled out more but it was getting late, the wives were calling...lol
check out the torque,its dam close to the max hp.
I would like to thank jeremy aka servion for the awsome tunning job, and adam aka thosemeddelingkids at revolutions tuning for the dyno time.... thanks guys....
wow man...nice numbers that is a real sleaper...lol so i guess an A-series engine is better than a h22 :thumbup:
Nice numbers dude, the HP line is very smooth and I cant believe how much TQ you made. That is insane, becasue 2.0L b-series TQ numbers are always about 50 less then HP. Good build and do you plan on upping the boost anymore?
thats pretty much exactly what id guess my setup to be on the stock motor, you just have internals done right?
what do you have for management?
I would like to know how they tunned it.
very nice numbers i like them a lot. good job.
awesome numbers man? shoot me an email ([email protected]) with alllllll the details on your build and i will put up a web page for it. :)
