Sounds cool service. Which shop is it? Do you mind to put the web address here?
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Sounds cool service. Which shop is it? Do you mind to put the web address here?
Oh yeah its www.speedycarparts.com click on performance parts catalog enter the year,make, and model of your car and scroll down to shock absorbers.
What valving on the bilsteins would be equivalent to the konis? Anyone know?
A few months ago, before I realized this site existed, I put Eibach Pro-Kit springs and Bilstein HD struts/shocks on my '89 Se-i. Defiinitely not enough damping with the Bilsteins, especially on rebound. This was a painful discovery, because the cost of the springs/struts-shocks/installation was around $1,000. Also, because I cannot have the car sitting at the shop for two or three weeks while the struts are revalved, I must buy another set of fronts, have them sent to Bilstein, then pay to have the two front corners of the car torn apart again for the install. Sigh.
I did read the thread(s) here about revalving, etc., but since each try on this costs $200 in labor + materials, I wanted to make every attempt to get it right the 2nd time. So I figured I'd call Eibach, get the spring rate, then have a conversation with Jack French at Bilstein about my alternative. Wrong! Eibach did not return 2 phone calls to tech support, so I called Jack at Bilstein to see what he had to say. He said Eibach will not release the spring rates of their product..like this is rocket science!? Anyone so inclined could measure the damn things if they wanted to go to the trouble. Jerks. Anyway, Jack was very nice, and said that his experience with those springs would dictate a 300# rebound, and 100# compression revalve on the struts. He said that the rebound figure is always more than the compression figure, and so it appears that the numbers on the original post in this thread are reversed. He said if the struts are ordered from shox.com, one should ask for Chris. This is a different name from the original post...maybe the other fellow has left or maybe the shox.com salesperson doesn't matter.
Does anyone out there have the Eibach Pro-Kits (not the Sportline, which is a bigger drop) along with the Bilstein revalved struts? I'd sure love to hear what their experience has been before I pull the trigger again.
Also, if all goes according to plan, I will have a pair of perfectly good, 3 month old front struts that are surplus to my needs. Anyone here wants them, I'll sell them for 1/3 of what I paid.
Thanks and happy holidays to everyone. This is a great site.
Hal
You should be fine with that valving. I think that's close to what I have on my Sprint springs which are much stiffer. I think it's a good match. There won't be any bounce to your ride and you probably will have an extremely hard time bottoming out unless you drive stupid. :)
Hi there Guys I'll be buying some bilsteins in a little while, and I was thinking that it will be just fine to have bilstein B6 and a 45mm drop !!
but right now I'm affraid that what You say it's true...
so when I've got this drop 45mm wich is about 1,8 inch how should I have those Bilsteins B6 revalved ?
Only one sugestions, we've got very bumpy roads in poland, and 45mm drop is a less popular than 30mm, and it is also as much as I can handle to go down.
please help :]
You'll need to have them revalved. The only springs that should be used with Bilsteins without revalving are stock springs. All the other springs are too stiff.
Ok, I understand that,
My friend has a Daewoo Lanos droped 30mm with bilsteins and he says it's to soft, so I see that what You say it's true.
My question is how much ? or
to what specification should I have them revalved ?
You will have to call Bilstein and tell them you want them revalved. They will ask you for your spring rates. They will determine what the revalve needs to be based on that. It will cost $65 (US) per strut to be revalved.
there is one problem I know only how much my car is dropped.Quote:
Originally Posted by SteveDX89
I dont know the spring rates.
This car was slammed in 1991 !! with Dalkmann DA10 (german) springs.
so I have to have my bilsteins revalved for an eye :[
You might as well buy yourself a new set of springs along with the bilsteins. Then you'll know what the spring rate is and you'll have yourself a set of fresh springs. Most likely your current springs are already worn out or close to wear out because of their age. 13 years is a lot for a set of springs, especially if they're not top quality.
Maybe, but no money for all of those and riding a car with stock shocks and sport springs is like dangerous.
I don't think that those springs are worn out, You can find many other cars here older than CA5. Those spring are not rusted, they are white and You can even read the producer and model so I think they are not so bad- at least its a good sign after 13 years...
Also they did ride in Germany, where roads are really good and You know that.
But if I leave it as it is they will worn out quickly in Poland.
I think that for a set of Eibach or H&R and set of Bilsteins I could buy next Aerodeck :-)
I would go with 300 compression, 100 rebound in that case. That seems to be the popular number.
Ok thanks, When I get them I will post an info how does it works. :-)Quote:
Originally Posted by SteveDX89
Well I checked today and there is nothing on there about getting struts revalved and they no longer carry Bilsteins!Quote:
Originally Posted by bullard123
This is a link to another thread where I describe my results of buying Eibach 1" drop and revalved Bilsteins. https://www.3geez.com/showthread.php?t=43258
Just curious, what are the specs of the strut before it gets revalved?
And are we revalving to make them stiffer? On a 1.4" drop is that too much for these from the factory?
Nobody knows what are the specs.
< Just curious, what are the specs of the strut before it gets revalved?
And are we revalving to make them stiffer? On a 1.4" drop is that too much for these from the factory?>
Factory Bilstein specs are 46 compression, 195 rebound. That is matched to the Honda OEM springs, so if you install higher-rate springs without revalving, things will be very unpleasant, just bouncing around like worn-out shocks would. That's what it seemed like to me, in any case. I've read here that eventually that will cause the struts to blow out, but I have no personal experience.
As I've mentioned elsewhere, Jack French at Bilstein suggested 100/300 for my 1" drop Eibachs, but that's still not enough (This was front end only, the Bilsteins as originally delivered work fine in the rear). What happens on a bump is an initial compression, then a rebound, then another (much smaller) compression and rebound. Those secondary oscillations may not seem like much, but in the middle of a corner at speed, if you hit a bump, you don't want them. Not to mention that by the time you've spent the money for new springs/struts, you want something that exceeds the factory performance.
I've delayed pulling the trigger on the next try because of pressures elsewhere and the unsettled feeling that I am shooting in the dark, but am leaning to a small increase over my present settings, to maybe 115/325. Too little, and there's that secondary bounce, too much, and you feel like you have rocks in your suspension. I had a BMW 3.0 CS coupe years ago that had been modified with cut springs and Bilsteins, and they had gone overboard with the shocks. Cornered like on rails, but rode like a coal cart. Not to mention it busted out the top of the suspension towers in the rear.
Does anyone know the specs of Koni reds? compression/rebound?
Before I go and spend all my poor person's money on my suspension, I wanna make sure its the best I can do with my money. If I can ever find a set of koni reds I should be set.
Was that for all 4 in USD?Quote:
Price will be the cost of the struts, still $370 I believe, plus I'm sure the shipping to Bilstein(maybe not if not sure), the revalve fee is $65 per strut and then you will have return shipping charges from Bilstein to you.
Bilstein are the best - why ? when they'll worn out You can have them rebuild for cheap. When Konis are worn out You throw it out and buy another set for much more $$.Quote:
Originally Posted by FyreDaug
Konis have lifetime warranty. If they go bad on you or wear out, Koni will give you a free replacement. BTW, I have front Konis for sale in the marketplace.
Myabe if they go bad they will, but I dont believe that they respond to worn out - which is a natural thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by keruhas184
also Life time usually means that this is about 5 years warranty after they stop to produce this product.
<Was that for all 4 in USD?>
The rears are shocks, the fronts are struts. I can't find my invoice from April of last year, but I think that the rears were the same price as the fronts. I hadn't discovered this site yet, so I didn't know about the need to revalve them. After spending about $100/corner for the spring/strut install, it was like driving a pogo stick. So in March of this year, I ordered two more front struts, and had them sent over to Bilstein to be revalved. I got them from Shox.com, which is Anderson & Stiehle, Inc. in El Cajon, CA (619-444-9766). They are down the street from Bilstein, so someone just dropped them off to be revalved, to the tune of $75.00 each. Freight was $20.00, for a total of $356.00. I think on the original purchase, the freight was free, maybe because I spent a certain amount of money. I just wish they were adjustable.
