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those parts are available at nappa,i just ordered parts to rebuild my rear brakes again. places like majestic honda often can get parts that other dealerships can't get or they say they can't get. also manchester honda. I think I rebuilt every part in my brake system and I didn't have to order anything from the dealer. a lot of parts like that that are available aftermarket they discontinue because nobody is going to pay 50 bucks for the same hose you can pay twenty bucks for. also try parts train,they carry stuff like oem reproduction corner markers and so on.
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Originally Posted by thegreatdane
Where the heck have you yanks been living for the last 15 years?? You replace the old steel brake lines with copper brake lines. Very easy to work with, you bend them with your hands and they can be bent back and forth a lot of times without damaging them. The fittings come in many sizes, just look at your old ones to determine which ones you need. And as said you can get a tool to make the collar with/flange it.
you never use copper for brake lines,at least not on the street,it's not designed to hold up in automotive applications. you need to use the DOT approved double wall steel wall tubing. you also need a tool that puts a special double flare on the end. they are available at most automotive stores and places like summit. brake fittings are not standard fittings. if you call summit I'm sure aeroquip makes the adaptors to convert over to metric where the lines attach to the master cyl. etc. no body in their right mind buys prebent metal brake lines from the dealer.
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Well, y'all better start stocking up on rebuild parts all the same, cuz you never know when you can't get them.
PS
3geesus is 3genius.
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In a Honda Biblical Aspect, 3Geez Accord's are old Testament...
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Originally Posted by lostforawhile
you never use copper for brake lines,at least not on the street,it's not designed to hold up in automotive applications. you need to use the DOT approved double wall steel wall tubing. you also need a tool that puts a special double flare on the end. they are available at most automotive stores and places like summit. brake fittings are not standard fittings. if you call summit I'm sure aeroquip makes the adaptors to convert over to metric where the lines attach to the master cyl. etc. no body in their right mind buys prebent metal brake lines from the dealer.
Actually they are $15 or so a side from the dealership. I am thinking about just using a steal braided line in the place of the metal line.
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Copper is a BAD idea!!! Heat will cause it to split or swell, it cannot hold up to what the stock steel lines are made to endure.
You can bend brake line with a small tubing bender, you can get them at Sears or most tool places. It works alot like a conduit bender, but on a smaller scale. I have one that I bent stainless tubing with to install a 28,000 GVW B&M Trans Cooler into my 2000 Dodge. Also, no flanging needed if you use AN style compression fittings, plus AN looks better, and it's aircraft quality.
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Originally Posted by RamThis
Copper is a BAD idea!!! Heat will cause it to split or swell, it cannot hold up to what the stock steel lines are made to endure.
You can bend brake line with a small tubing bender, you can get them at Sears or most tool places. It works alot like a conduit bender, but on a smaller scale. I have one that I bent stainless tubing with to install a 28,000 GVW B&M Trans Cooler into my 2000 Dodge. Also, no flanging needed if you use AN style compression fittings, plus AN looks better, and it's aircraft quality.
What exactly is an an style compression fitting?
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If you've ever seen those blue or red anodized aluminum fittings on race car engines or on aircraft hydraulics, those are AN fittings. Jegs and Summit carry a TON of different fittings. Compression fittings are ones that the tubing slips into, and it has a small football shaped piece that fits around the tube, and when you tighten the outer shell, it squashes the little football down on the tube and seals it and compresses it to an inner tube, holding it firmly and sealed. Then to unhook it, simply loosen the fitting, and slip the tube back out. Works alot like the little compression fittings on your refrigerator ice maker, the little plastic tube that you put the threaded cap on, slip on the compression fitting, slip the whole thing on the other part of the fitting, and tighten the nut. Voila, instant gratification. :)
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Originally Posted by RamThis
If you've ever seen those blue or red anodized aluminum fittings on race car engines or on aircraft hydraulics, those are AN fittings. Jegs and Summit carry a TON of different fittings. Compression fittings are ones that the tubing slips into, and it has a small football shaped piece that fits around the tube, and when you tighten the outer shell, it squashes the little football down on the tube and seals it and compresses it to an inner tube, holding it firmly and sealed. Then to unhook it, simply loosen the fitting, and slip the tube back out. Works alot like the little compression fittings on your refrigerator ice maker, the little plastic tube that you put the threaded cap on, slip on the compression fitting, slip the whole thing on the other part of the fitting, and tighten the nut. Voila, instant gratification. :)
Now that sounds like a plan, I am going to check that out. I have seen those before, but I was not aware that is how they work.
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Originally Posted by lostforawhile
you never use copper for brake lines,at least not on the street,it's not designed to hold up in automotive applications. you need to use the DOT approved double wall steel wall tubing. you also need a tool that puts a special double flare on the end. they are available at most automotive stores and places like summit. brake fittings are not standard fittings. if you call summit I'm sure aeroquip makes the adaptors to convert over to metric where the lines attach to the master cyl. etc. no body in their right mind buys prebent metal brake lines from the dealer.
You are correct, you absolutely have to make a double collar, but I'd suspect such information to be included with the tool. But you are not correct on the copper brake lines. At least as far as europe goes, and I doubt it's different in the US. Copper lines have been used for many years here, and I can ensure you that there are no problems concerning safety and they will last alot longer than the steel lines.
I didnt mention anything about standard fittings, I said they come in many sizes.
The standard brake line size is 3/16" if I remember correctly.
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Originally Posted by thegreatdane
You are correct, you absolutely have to make a double collar, but I'd suspect such information to be included with the tool. But you are not correct on the copper brake lines. At least as far as europe goes, and I doubt it's different in the US. Copper lines have been used for many years here, and I can ensure you that there are no problems concerning safety and they will last alot longer than the steel lines.
I didnt mention anything about standard fittings, I said they come in many sizes.
The standard brake line size is 3/16" if I remember correctly.
Could I run copper pipeing with AN style fittings? I plan to rerout the brake line againts the wheel well instead of inbetween the strut and brakes.
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Originally Posted by Legend_master
Could I run copper pipeing with AN style fittings? I plan to rerout the brake line againts the wheel well instead of inbetween the strut and brakes.
What's AN style fittings? You can route them how you want really, just make sure they are properly secured and not rubbing against anything or being in direct contact with the chassis.
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Originally Posted by thegreatdane
What's AN style fittings? You can route them how you want really, just make sure they are properly secured and not rubbing against anything or being in direct contact with the chassis.
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Originally Posted by RamThis
If you've ever seen those blue or red anodized aluminum fittings on race car engines or on aircraft hydraulics, those are AN fittings. Jegs and Summit carry a TON of different fittings. Compression fittings are ones that the tubing slips into, and it has a small football shaped piece that fits around the tube, and when you tighten the outer shell, it squashes the little football down on the tube and seals it and compresses it to an inner tube, holding it firmly and sealed. Then to unhook it, simply loosen the fitting, and slip the tube back out. Works alot like the little compression fittings on your refrigerator ice maker, the little plastic tube that you put the threaded cap on, slip on the compression fitting, slip the whole thing on the other part of the fitting, and tighten the nut. Voila, instant gratification.
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/menus/ha/anfittings.html
This talks about the 37* flare type AN fitting, but has some info on AN in general..
http://www.parker.com/tfd/fittingsol...ANFITTINGS.pdf
http://www.northernautoparts.com/Pro...CategoryId=410
JEG'S AN Compression Fittings....
http://www.jegs.com/webapp/wcs/store...tegoryId=17005
Summit's AN fittings.....
http://store.summitracing.com/egnsea...s=false&N=+115
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Originally Posted by thegreatdane
What's AN style fittings?
AN fittings stand for Army-Navy Fitting Thread style. normally these are the fittings that are used these days by aftermarket manufacturers to connect flxeible and rigid metal tubing which carry fluid (fuel, oil or brake fulid). the name arises from the joint agrrement of the Arny and Navy in regards to a certain specification of this fitting.
the AN fitting size ranges from -2 (dash two) to -32 (dash thirty two) with each step equating to the OD (outside diameter) of the tubing in 1/16" increments. so a -2AN will have an OD of 1/8".
so for example -2AN is (2 X 1/16 = 1/8)
All AN fittings are Flared fittings. The AN fittings for Aeromotive use is NOT THE SAME as the ones for marine and automotive use. Theoretically they are interchangeable, but practically they are not due to the design constrains that govern the aviation industry.
Hope that helps cuz it was a mouthful LOL
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i need both those lines too, so let me know what you do
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this sucks...but just order every part that is made for a 3g and have it sitting in the garage till it's needed? :lol:
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Originally Posted by smufguy
AN fittings stand for Army-Navy Fitting Thread style. normally these are the fittings that are used these days by aftermarket manufacturers to connect flxeible and rigid metal tubing which carry fluid (fuel, oil or brake fulid). the name arises from the joint agrrement of the Arny and Navy in regards to a certain specification of this fitting.
the AN fitting size ranges from -2 (dash two) to -32 (dash thirty two) with each step equating to the OD (outside diameter) of the tubing in 1/16" increments. so a -2AN will have an OD of 1/8".
so for example -2AN is (2 X 1/16 = 1/8)
All AN fittings are Flared fittings. The AN fittings for Aeromotive use is NOT THE SAME as the ones for marine and automotive use. Theoretically they are interchangeable, but practically they are not due to the design constrains that govern the aviation industry.
Hope that helps cuz it was a mouthful LOL
they are the same but the aviation ones just have to be certified by the F.A.A. the idea of using AN fittings in cars originally came from the aircraft industry . race car builders got the idea from the aviation industry in other words. same for disc brakes by the way,they were originally designed for aircraft. lockheed and girling made some of the early disc brakes that were used on cars like the ac cobra. those early designs were adapted from aircraft use.
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Originally Posted by Legend_master
I went to the Honda dealership today, because I needed to order the metal hose that runs between the two rubber hoses of the rear brake line (rear disk). The guy found the part and started to search his inventory. Then he told me that the part has been discontinued. I looked at him like :wtf: and asked how that could be. He told me that it is a part that doesnt go out often, and the car is close to 20 years old (my car is actually 20 years old, but the rear brakes are not :violin: ) so Honda no longer stocks that part. Honda is starting to discontinue all parts that were for cars before 1990 :thumbdn: . I guess they are not making profit on them, but I think this is bullshit. There are millions of 3geez still running and I know people are going to need parts. The shittiest part is that most the cars run for so many miles that they dont need the parts until they are 20 + years old. Ok that is my Rant :rant: .
lol cmon you should know why they do this.
So you have to buy a new car, and since you've had such good luck with your previous honda (which is 20yrs old, and its appearnt its doin good if you're still trying to fix it up and keep it driveable), you'll most likely buy another honda (new from them). Its their way of making a mass profit.
My best suggestion is hit up an autoparts store for an aftermarket one, a junkyard, or search every honda dealer nationwide if youre that desperate lol... there might be one stashed somewhere.
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Originally Posted by smufguy
AN fittings stand for Army-Navy Fitting Thread style. normally these are the fittings that are used these days by aftermarket manufacturers to connect flxeible and rigid metal tubing which carry fluid (fuel, oil or brake fulid). the name arises from the joint agrrement of the Arny and Navy in regards to a certain specification of this fitting.
the AN fitting size ranges from -2 (dash two) to -32 (dash thirty two) with each step equating to the OD (outside diameter) of the tubing in 1/16" increments. so a -2AN will have an OD of 1/8".
so for example -2AN is (2 X 1/16 = 1/8)
All AN fittings are Flared fittings. The AN fittings for Aeromotive use is NOT THE SAME as the ones for marine and automotive use. Theoretically they are interchangeable, but practically they are not due to the design constrains that govern the aviation industry.
Hope that helps cuz it was a mouthful LOL
makes more sense now, thanks.
I wouldnt know if they'd be suited for brake lines though.
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or just bring the old line to any brake shop and have them bend you a new one
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I found a great web site that may have what you need. Go to: Honda Parts - Internal Warehouse Source @ http://www.hondaautopartstore.com/index.html
I was lucky to find all the parts I need for my 1989 Honda Accord LX 4dr (carb). The site will tell you what engine you have and what chassis, too. That helps you find the exact part for your specific year and model.
Good Luck,
Let me know if you find what your looking for there.
Vmars.
