Turbo Manifold by : F22PARTS.COM

you're right, yeah thats like the first one I posted.
Anyways I think the second one I posted is a little better. so I'm going to work on that.

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Originally Posted by theDougler

at the moment i do not remember whether schedule pipe is ID or OD but i will find out as quickly as i can, i also agree on a tubular design would probably be best. but whatever works out works out thats fine. a20a1 have you tried using lightwave at all?

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I think someone said that lightwave was like building things in the old versions of worldcraft. I used to build extensive maps in WC for Half-life, Quake. Those were the days, I could barely even run some of the maps they were so big... I wish I had all my things still. I mean on todays processors and ram it'll be no problem running the things I did. I know lightwave was used for Babylon 5, so I was interested in it, my school did teach lightwave for a while but then when a new instructor came Maya took it's place and that was when I was taking the 3D class.

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Originally Posted by snoopyloopy

does this one allow you to keep the stock radiator too? and you just fab a j-pipe to the fmic from wherever it comes out. and how low would the turbo sit in relation to the engine for cooling and oiling purposes?

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Yes it does, and it even lets you use the stock fan. Though I'm not sure I see the A/C fan but it could jut be the angle.

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Originally Posted by A20A1

you're right, yeah thats like the first one I posted.
Anyways I think the second one I posted is a little better. so I'm going to work on that.
I think someone said that lightwave was like building things in the old versions of worldcraft. I used to build extensive maps in WC for Half-life, Quake. Those were the days, I could barely even run some of the maps they were so big... I wish I had all my things still. I mean on todays processors and ram it'll be no problem running the things I did. I know lightwave was used for Babylon 5, so I was interested in it, my school did teach lightwave for a while but then when a new instructor came Maya took it's place and that was when I was taking the 3D class.
Yes it does, and it even lets you use the stock fan. Though I'm not sure I see the A/C fan but it could jut be the angle.

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no, looks like the downpipe eliminates the ac fan. you could always take out the ac condensor and run fans up there or run an extreme slimline for your ac since taking out the condensor kinda negates the need for an ac fan.

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Originally Posted by mkymonkey

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I like the looks of that manifold. How well does it all clear the radiator? And are there any problems with the weight of the turbo, since it is sticking so far out?

A20A1, those designs look good too, but like you said, its all a matter of making sure the manifold won't hit anything.

well i think the turbo is a t4 or a t3/t4 hybrid. its the setup that adam is running and the one he is curently selling. i like it to. i mean it looks like it would be the easiest to make since its just a straight foraward log mani. adamn is running a civic mini radiator so that would have to be done to run this setup. which in my opinion is not a big of a problem. i have already been looking at some fluidyne rads on ebay...damn those things are expensinve. but im willing to make the sacrifice :D

what kind of turbo are you looking for? because i have a mitsu 14b on my eclipse. i could try to pry it off if you want measurements. but is that a good size to guestimate with or are you guys going to be using bigger units? because adam's looks like it's a bit bigger than a 14b.

wow dude...i think i may need to send you like a few bucks man...this looks like its taken you a lot of thinking. good fucking work!

dude i know this would probably take a lot of work...but can you make multiple views?

http://www.t3flange.com/turbo.htm for all your turbo flange diagram needs.

The T3/T4 Hybrid is just a T3 turbine section with a T4 compressor I think.

I also have two T3s sitting in the shop if you need something else measured.

m..mu... multiple?

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I'll try.

lol...you know what i mean...one from the side..another from the top. i would just like to see what youre seeing ya know?

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Originally Posted by mkymonkey

i would just like to see what youre seeing ya know?

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all I'm seeing is :redx: 's

:D

okay my brain is fixed.

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I'm saving my dough for one of these. I'm a definite buyer. i like that setup with the TD04L turbo tho, is it possible to get the header flanged for that turbo? Any reasons why or why not would be appreciated, i'm new to the turbo scene but i definitely want one! i work by a bypass, those damn subie's pull past with their turbo's and blow off valves all day gimme boost or gimme ...all motor i guess. :rockon:

same here man,^^go all out or go home

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Originally Posted by F22Partscom

did you also make that cool little car you have by you name? lol If so could you make me one of my car possibly? lol

dave

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Yes,

Have any pics of your car? I will try.

the one on page 3 is almost exactly like mine. Tubular and somthing resembling a collector is much better than a log manifold. I feel the design i put together is pretty good all around, but if you had a ramhorn you might make a little more power. Either way its wayyyy better than a log. Im running a T3 and i had to notch the front beam and the front motor mount for clearance, plus i removed the ac compressor and bracket as well as the ac lines/reciever dryer and condenser fan. Clearance is tight

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Originally Posted by CivicSmasher

hello everyone, I came over from preludepower.com cause this site has so much info about a20s.
A manifold is the only thing stopping me from getting my turbo setup complete. I was going to have one made, but the price involved is way higher than this guy wants. So I want in. I'd be interested in the tubular style more, but will go with log if that is the consensus.

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Looks like you have even less room to work with then the accord. I hope what ever manifold is made will work for you as well.

Okay fellas.

This uses only 90 degree bends, well nearly.
and ends right under the flange.
Also doesn't need starting pipes as there is enough space around each stud hole.
The only bad thing is the ports are not exactly centered.

I'll try to do a crude 3d model to show you more.

That overlapping center part where one pipe goes into the other. Well basicly all you do there is leave one side alone and notch the other pipe to fit over it.
Patients and a grinder will do wonders... I perfer a file though for the more sensitive areas.
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Its a bit off but the main idea is so you can see how the pipes run.

Maybe instead of the flange facing straight down we can tilt it towards the radiator.
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Sh!t, I have an even better Idea.


:( work work work.


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Pipes 2 & 3 use a 35 degree section of pipe instead of a 90 or a 45, then a straight piece of pipe to merge it into 1 & 4
Now I did that in the 3D, I haven't confirmed it in illustrator.


EDIT: too many things to weld... Okay dicided on something slighly different,
maybe a "T" for # 2 and 3. I'll see how it works.

Short range bomber, :)
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I finally got everything to fit and not be stupid and flow into eachother, I'll show you in a second, this image isn't a direct representation cause some angles and what not I just didn't want to bother making. I'll show you in the 3d version. You might think the overlapping is going to be bad but I know where to cut to make it work, and also the ports on the 1 & 4 are way to the outer edge but those can be hammered in a bit.

The turbo flange will come right out off cylinder # 2 & 3. It is at and angle facing down, it bites into the 90 degree angles that will face upwards. Basicly the flange connects to the outer curved wall of the 90 degree bend. The bends act as the guide for the downward angle of the flange.

Cylinder # 1 & 4 are routed the same way as the presious ones, but the 90 degree bend that is above cylinder 2 & 3 does not turn directly to the viewer as dipected in the image, it will angle down to face the flange.

Anyways I'll try and make one more 2D image before doing the 3D representation.


lets just say it'll try to be shorter then this. My real concern though is if there is room for spark plug wires, that and confirming all nuts can be installed and tightened.

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Okay a big error on my part;
there is too much of a gap to fill with a weld between 1 & 2 , 3 & 4. So I'll have to raise the arch some.
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dude....youre so fucking awesome! that looks cool man!.....where is the f22parts guy at? i want to hear what he has to say about these drafts man....awesome!

All of these will get you boosted, guys. Longer runners seem to be better though, it just depends on what you can fit. I was actually thinking of a topmount a few days ago, so the turbo its right infront of the head more or less but the runners come off the exhaust flange into 90*s and go down near the oil pan and circle back up into a collector so the turbo is right up by the head. This might require cocking the flange to one side or the other for clearance and maybe requiring a half size radiator to make it work but it would work great.

nice job there a20a1 looks like that will work and not take up huge amounts of room at the same time

My final offering to the turbo gods.

x8 90* bends.

Straight pipe x2 0.5" long


Like above the flange will be placed at an angle and as close to the ports of cylinder 2 and 3 as possible.

walls will be added (welded) to focus/direct 2 & 3 towards the turbo and not up and around to #4 and #1
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To bolt on the manifold you will have to hold the nut over the hole and slide the stud into it. Maybe shorten the stud if needed.
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A little more complex and more pieces but a cleaner merge between outer and inner pipes.
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A20 hit it right on the head with a log manifold that has the turbo centered and not to the right. There are actually benefits to a log over a equal length manifold, such as the turbo spooling faster. I vote for the log manifold, and will be picking one up in the future if they become available.

well im sure he can build a log manifold no sweat. he can either buy flanges from sam at bmc or build his own (dunno if he can get laser cut flanges made. :)) but once u have the flange, actually building the manifold is probably pretty straightforward if you know how to weld.


as for the manifold design, i need to get my hands on one of those modeling programs, and try to build a few designs... mike is there a downloadable version of the app u are using? or can u send me a 'demo'?

i too wouldnt mind making a topmount. it might make the downpipe angle a bit easier to work with, and will allow a stock engine mount. i dont have AC or PS, and i dont mind having to go with civic radiator if i decide i need it. :)

You could also try and relocate the turbo... I dunno maybe upsize the pipe diameter a little as you move from Cylinder #4 to Cly #1.
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Originally Posted by A20A1

You could also try and relocate the turbo... I dunno maybe upsize the pipe diameter a little as you move from Cylinder #4 to Cly #1.
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That is another possibility, there is a memeber at Acura-legend.com that worked with a company out of arizona to built a turbo setup like that.

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