pictures of the new scoop baffling in progress

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07-23-2005, 12:55 PM
lostforawhile

pictures of the new scoop baffling in progress

I'm in the middle of redoing the baffling on the hood scoop i got almost done and the stupid lexan cracked, well here's some pics so far will just redo with aluminum. it was a special hi temp lexan. i wanted to use it because you could see the hood bracing through it. anyway it will look basically the same http://memimage.cardomain.net/member...19_85_full.jpg http://memimage.cardomain.net/member...19_86_full.jpg http://memimage.cardomain.net/member...19_88_full.jpg http://memimage.cardomain.net/member...19_89_full.jpg http://memimage.cardomain.net/member...19_92_full.jpg http://memimage.cardomain.net/member...9_100_full.jpg remember this is under the scoop, the gray stuff is special material for making engine baffles for airplanes. I will keep updating as progress is made it's too hot today to do anymore. i'll just copy the patern off of the lexan and save the baffling pieces to put back on the aluminum. that material is hard to get because it contains asbestos, but it sure blocks heat. I thought about putting a small oil cooler hooked up like a heater core under that scoop for the winter time. use thermostatic controls like the heat door . that would help in cold weather.
07-23-2005, 09:26 PM
w00tw00t111

ARggghhh! Damn your stupid airplane job!!! :p
Looks good though keep up the good work. Is it gonna look similar to the WRX hood scoop?
07-23-2005, 09:31 PM
88accordalltheway

a scoop will look 100 x better than that groady cowl you had. Keep it up!
07-23-2005, 09:32 PM
w00tw00t111

groady? Is that bad?
07-24-2005, 04:02 AM
lostforawhile

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Originally Posted by w00tw00t111

groady? Is that bad?

the cowl induction will be the same this is to prevent heat from rising up into the filter from the engine, the old one didn't work very well. the hood scop looks like it does because it hasn't been painted yet, it took forever to get all the old paint off of the fiberglass. it's supposed to be from a ford torino from the late 60's early 70's. i just like it because it fits the contour of the hood perfecctly with no modifications.I had to make the grill though because i wanted it to be functional. Starsky and Honda :lol: It looks much better with paint believe me.
07-25-2005, 02:07 PM
lostforawhile

ok here it's done. fresh from the beadblaster http://memimage.cardomain.net/member...9_101_full.jpg completed plate with baffles riveted on http://memimage.cardomain.net/member...9_103_full.jpg riveting plate to hood, plate has already been clekoed in place http://memimage.cardomain.net/member...9_102_full.jpg http://memimage.cardomain.net/member...9_105_full.jpg http://memimage.cardomain.net/member...9_106_full.jpg with hood brace reinstalled http://memimage.cardomain.net/member...9_108_full.jpg http://memimage.cardomain.net/member...9_109_full.jpg http://memimage.cardomain.net/member...9_110_full.jpg for a note: the filter can pull air all the way around it it has a metal heat shield circling it to prevent air from being pulled from the engine compartment
07-25-2005, 02:32 PM
88accordalltheway

nice work. you might want to round the edges of the scoop slightly just so it has more of a stock look. It can be too edgy, ya know? well, all you have to do now is be careful of when it gets into the wet season, you dont want any water in your engine. good job bro, keep it up.
07-25-2005, 02:43 PM
lostforawhile

oh, i've been through a hurricane already with it, don't have any water problems at all, i left enough of a gap to let water drain. all the air comes in at the back of the scoop.where the holes are. the scoop is baffled too so air goes directly into the filter. http://memimage.cardomain.net/member...19_16_full.jpg
07-25-2005, 02:45 PM
A20A1

Nice :)
07-25-2005, 08:35 PM
mr eff

i like it, looks very functional.
07-25-2005, 08:45 PM
lostforawhile

thanks the only thing that drives me crazy is it goes through a filter about every three months. those filters cost about eight bucks each. summit said they make a cool blue filter in that size from accel i believe. those are reuseable. they cost 50 bucks, but if you add up the cost it's worth it. I wanted to stop radiant heat from rising into the scoop from the motor. my old baffles didn't work very well. never had a pic of those online, always took them off for pic clarity.
07-25-2005, 09:15 PM
maxoutracer

i dunno what the hell... tacky!
07-25-2005, 09:29 PM
lostforawhile

huh? it's under the scoop,none of the baffling is visible with the scoop on. when the scoop is painted the same color as the hood it's really unobtrusive. http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b2...Image00024.jpg this is what it looks like when it's on the car. i'll be glad when i'm ready to get some paint on this thing. it required a lot of sanding because the six layers of paint on the scoop were cracking. it is 35 years old after all. :lol:
07-26-2005, 01:54 AM
w00tw00t111

Starsky and Honda.... Nice! I'm sure the domestic guys would be proud :rofl:
07-26-2005, 04:51 PM
lostforawhile

hey the scoop was free and it matched the contour of the hood perfectly. i wa told it was from a torino. this scoop project has been going on for almost two years. first it wasn't functional then i had to make the intake, then i had to make the scoop functional, then i just finished the baffling to make it a true cowl induction. i've been driving around with a temp sensor in the intake all day and it has dropped the intake air almost 50 degrees. my next project is to ceramic coat the cast part of the intake to keep even more heat out.
07-26-2005, 05:19 PM
A20A1

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Originally Posted by lostforawhile

thanks the only thing that drives me crazy is it goes through a filter about every three months. those filters cost about eight bucks each. summit said they make a cool blue filter in that size from accel i believe. those are reuseable. they cost 50 bucks, but if you add up the cost it's worth it. I wanted to stop radiant heat from rising into the scoop from the motor. my old baffles didn't work very well. never had a pic of those online, always took them off for pic clarity.

Buy a foam filter... you could fit an eddlebrock pro-flo(w) foam filter and modify the base, I had one on mine and I loved it.

http://www.edelbrock.com/automotive/aircleaners.html

http://store1.yimg.com/I/hm-performance_1850_103965132
http://shop.store.yahoo.com/hm-perfo...airclfor1.html
07-26-2005, 05:28 PM
w00tw00t111

That's awesome! Ceramic coating would be cool. What is the saying for every 10 degrees dropped it's 1% gain in hp right? So 5% of 115 = roughly 121 hp right?
07-26-2005, 05:33 PM
lostforawhile

i'm talking about bringing the temp back down to outside air temps. there was a lot of hot air rising into the scoop and it was getting into the filter. now it's closer to what the outside air temp is. that material is asbestos based so it blocks a lot of the radiant heat coming off the engine too. all the heat was coming through the radiotor and blowing back up the scoop and out. now it can't do that.
07-26-2005, 07:04 PM
3G Jester

damn you yoak how can i get that material
07-26-2005, 07:30 PM
lostforawhile

i about had to beg for some,we use every little scrap,but i'll keep my eye out. :lol: ther's other stuff that will work too, this was convienient because we have it there already. i would try mscdirect.com. they have all kinds of stuff like that.
07-27-2005, 02:35 PM
lostforawhile

if anyone is interested here are some pics of the intake that goes with the baffling http://memimage.cardomain.net/member...19_77_full.jpg http://memimage.cardomain.net/member...19_62_full.jpg here are some of the raw materials including the raw casting the intake tube is made from and the air cleaner assembly, i used the bottom plate from two of these air cleaners and ditched the rest of it. everyting else is made from raw materials. http://memimage.cardomain.net/member...9_112_full.jpg http://memimage.cardomain.net/member...9_113_full.jpg
07-28-2005, 04:37 PM
lostforawhile

Quote:

Originally Posted by w00tw00t111

ARggghhh! Damn your stupid airplane job!!! :p
Looks good though keep up the good work. Is it gonna look similar to the WRX hood scoop?

http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b2...Image00024.jpg
it looks like this i'm thinking about temp painting it, just so everyone will quit griping about the color :lol: it will be the same color as the car when it's all done. that's bare fiberglass gel coat right now with a little bit of primer left on it from sanding. it should blend in really well when it's done. http://memimage.cardomain.net/member...19_86_full.jpg
07-28-2005, 05:34 PM
lostforawhile

Quote:

Originally Posted by A20A1

Buy a foam filter... you could fit an eddlebrock pro-flo(w) foam filter and modify the base, I had one on mine and I loved it.

http://www.edelbrock.com/automotive/aircleaners.html

http://store1.yimg.com/I/hm-performance_1850_103965132
http://shop.store.yahoo.com/hm-perfo...airclfor1.html

I looked at some of them today and they have to have a self supporting structure in order to work. the air cleaner part is two top plates with a rod going through them. the back plate is where the rod is attached and where the plate is welded to the pipe. there is a little aluminum gizmo attached to it that the rod screws into. the aircleaner has to be the wire mesh type because there is pressure on it from the top plate. i wouldn't mind finding a filter cover though. it also has to be three inches tall,talking about the filter height. http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b2...ressure002.bmp
07-28-2005, 05:41 PM
keruhas184

Mad props man, looks real nice :thumbup:
07-28-2005, 06:39 PM
lostforawhile

Quote:

Originally Posted by keruhas184

Mad props man, looks real nice :thumbup:

thanks, i think there was some misunderstanding on here by the way, I'm not taking the scoop off, I'm trying to keep the hot air from getting into it, that's what the baffling is for. your car looks nice ny the way,don't worry about the tape, i get a lot of comments on how bad my paint is,and i haven't even finished the body work yet.
08-01-2005, 02:46 PM
lostforawhile

has anyone ever tested a cold air cowl induction, just wondering, it really does lower the temp to have it baffled the way it is now,vs. before. i've been testing the air temp drop. I've seen lots of threads on both the cai and the short ram but never a cold air short ram.
08-05-2005, 08:21 AM
lostforawhile

ok, i ghetto painted the scoop so everyone who griped about the paint could see what it will look like. http://memimage.cardomain.net/member...9_128_full.jpg http://memimage.cardomain.net/member...9_129_full.jpg http://memimage.cardomain.net/member...9_130_full.jpg http://memimage.cardomain.net/member...9_132_full.jpg http://memimage.cardomain.net/member...9_135_full.jpg this one shows my drilled wiper arms which need to be repainted http://memimage.cardomain.net/member...9_127_full.jpg :lol:
11-11-2006, 05:24 PM
lostforawhile

Re: pictures of the new scoop baffling in progress

an updated picture with the hot air system installed for cold weather driving. http://www.imagestation.com/picture/...f/ec18f635.jpg
11-11-2006, 08:19 PM
speedpenguin

Re: pictures of the new scoop baffling in progress

Looks like your making some progress! Keep it coming!

And what's your next facet of this project going to be?
11-11-2006, 10:42 PM
RamThis

Re: pictures of the new scoop baffling in progress

You know, you should put a foam pre-filter wrap on that element to keep them from clogging so quickly. The filter diameter and height looks ALOT like some of the Kohler and Onan engine filters. You should take your filter by a small engine shop and see if they can match it pretty close to a Kohler filter or Onan filter, and then buy the pre-filter that fits best.

Then, all you do is wet it down with some engine oil, and wring it out so all it has is a light coating of oil. Slip it over your paper element, and voila, you wont have to chagne your paper element for a year or more. All you have to do is take the foam pre-filter to the sink, use some detergent and hot water and clean it really good, let it dry out, re-oil, and re-install it. DO NOT use gasoline or any other product to clean it, and do not use any other oil than plain motor oil, or maybe some K&N filter oil if you really want to go overboard lol. The light film of motor oil on the foam catches all the dust before it reaches the paper filter. The paper filter will have almost nothing reach it, lengthening it's life usually five times or more.
11-12-2006, 05:59 AM
lostforawhile

Re: pictures of the new scoop baffling in progress

Quote:

Originally Posted by RamThis

You know, you should put a foam pre-filter wrap on that element to keep them from clogging so quickly. The filter diameter and height looks ALOT like some of the Kohler and Onan engine filters. You should take your filter by a small engine shop and see if they can match it pretty close to a Kohler filter or Onan filter, and then buy the pre-filter that fits best.
Then, all you do is wet it down with some engine oil, and wring it out so all it has is a light coating of oil. Slip it over your paper element, and voila, you wont have to chagne your paper element for a year or more. All you have to do is take the foam pre-filter to the sink, use some detergent and hot water and clean it really good, let it dry out, re-oil, and re-install it. DO NOT use gasoline or any other product to clean it, and do not use any other oil than plain motor oil, or maybe some K&N filter oil if you really want to go overboard lol. The light film of motor oil on the foam catches all the dust before it reaches the paper filter. The paper filter will have almost nothing reach it, lengthening it's life usually five times or more.

it is a kohler filter,I got it from nappa,I just haven't been able to find a kohler dealer around here to find the filter wrap. thats exactly what I had planned to do.
originally posted by speedpenguin-

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Looks like your making some progress! Keep it coming!

And what's your next facet of this project going to be?

well the next will be dual sidedraft OER carbs,I've had it with trying to fix the factory keihin and possessed Rube Goldberg spaghetti bowl. I'm going to keep the air cleaner,I actually thought of getting a factory FI airbox and modifying it extensivly to attach over the carb necks then ducting air from the aircleaner. I wouldn't need the factory air filter because it would interfere with the carbs,but just the box itself. by doing this I would still be pulling air from the scoop and can retain the carb heat system for cold weather. warm air is useful for all carbs under carb icing conditions.
11-12-2006, 06:43 AM
speedpenguin

Re: pictures of the new scoop baffling in progress

Quote:

Originally Posted by lostforawhile

possessed Rube Goldberg spaghetti bowl.

:rofl:
05-29-2007, 08:59 AM
lostforawhile

Re: pictures of the new scoop baffling in progress

here are some updated pictures from my other post on this
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/...f/e978be01.jpg
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/...6/e978bdc5.jpg
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/...1/e978bb9c.jpg
05-29-2007, 09:04 AM
speedpenguin

Re: pictures of the new scoop baffling in progress

Soo hot!
05-29-2007, 09:27 AM
2oodoor

Re: pictures of the new scoop baffling in progress

wow, ,, thanks :)

cobra jet, I was wondering where the scoop came from. I have no problem with that at all, I was looking at 2002 mustang hoods that look almost like that, backward facing old cobra jet. Anything that will make more clearance.