Re: PROJECT: Full bodied coil overs

This thread will tell you what is needed to install full bodied coilovers on a 1986 Honda Accord.
You will need to find a company that is willing to split up two different coilover kits. I went with No Limit motorsports. I bought D2 racing coilovers, because they were the only company I could find willing to do this split.
What you need

• 1988-1990 FRONT Civic Coilover Kit
• 1990-1993 REAR Accord Coilover Kit
• Factory 1986-1989 Honda Accord top hats
• A nut that will fit on the end of the rear lower shock bolt

Step 1: You must remove your struts and springs.
Step 2: Disassemble the top hat from the setup
Step 3: Disassemble the coilover kit.
Step 4: Now reassemble the coilover kits with the factory Accord top hats
Step 5: Bolt the coilovers kits back into the car.
Side Note: The D2 coilovers did not come with a nut for the rear lower shock bolt. You must find one that will fit and use that to bolt the struts down.
Here are a couple more pics
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Ok guys here is a couple teaser pics. So I was going to do a whole DIY for this, but after arriving at my friends house I realized I didnt bring the card for my DAMN CAMERA :rant: . So I will have to explain how to do it in detail. I will do this in a DIY Coilover thread. I will also make a whole picture thread after I lower the car more and take the wheels off to take pictures of the setup. When they are set on level 36 the car rides so harsh I can feel every last bump, dip, rock, or anything in the road. I set them down to about 20 and they ride pretty nice. The back is still a little to stiff. Everything fit perfectly, and bolted together with no problem. The one delima I encountered was that the rear lower perch did not have a nut on it like the factory 3gee accord. Sorry for not having any good pics :thumbdn: .
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now thats sweet hey post the link to the site where you bought them


im lazy and dont feel like searching

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Originally Posted by race12001

now thats sweet hey post the link to the site where you bought them


im lazy and dont feel like searching

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http://www.nolimitmotorsport.com/d2-racing/

thanks im at work right now and on break so i didnt want to use my time searching

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Originally Posted by thegreatdane

Alright, sweet. Is the ride hight adjustability range where you'd want it?

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Yes it goes anywhere between 1" and 3", before I think the struts would be under to much load.

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Originally Posted by guaynabo89

its nothing a little machining wont cure.

good luck with those.

what are the threaded parts and adjustable perches made of? steel or alum?

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They are mad of aluminum, i believe they do that for weight and to reduce the risk of rust.




I lowered the car down tot he stance I want and took a quick shot of the coilover.

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fucking nice!!!!!

BEAUTIFUL!! :D :thumbup: :wave:

thats about what mine are set at i have my perches upside down so it wont go any lower

Nice work. So what did you do to bolt the coilovers to the rear control arms? Did you just go find a nut that threaded on the bolt?

it it worth it?

i dont like this fing car or any bodies on this damn forum
because of the following reasons

a you guys hook that shit up hawt like the above

b your cars are reliable

c ummmm there better then mine and im hatting thanks
for your attention

seriously nice car sweet as shit gold

hey good find on a company that splits up the kits. I will probably have to look into this one day!

I read through it really fast, but what did you end up using for mounting the tops? just retain stock accord hats for front and rear?

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Originally Posted by bobafett

just retain stock accord hats for front and rear?

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yup

Oh snap son.... This is some exciting stuff...

So at the height you have it at now... how much lower could you go front or rear?... I have heard D2's are pretty decent quality coilovers.,

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Originally Posted by buttaz1

seriously nice car sweet as shit gold

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hmmm, i wonder what sweet as shit is like =P

anyways L_M, you have the perfect wheels :D unfortunately i dont know jack shit about suspension so i wouldnt know what im cheering for

how much did all of that set you back?

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Originally Posted by Cheeseburger

fucking nice!!!!!

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Originally Posted by forrest89sei

BEAUTIFUL!!

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Thank you :)

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Originally Posted by EricW

Nice work. So what did you do to bolt the coilovers to the rear control arms? Did you just go find a nut that threaded on the bolt?

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Yep that is exactly what I did, it fit perfectly with the poly bushing I am using.

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Originally Posted by buttaz1

i dont like this fing car or any bodies on this damn forum
because of the following reasons

a you guys hook that shit up hawt like the above

b your cars are reliable

c ummmm there better then mine and im hatting thanks
for your attention

seriously nice car sweet as shit gold

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Thanks, I think :lol: .

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Originally Posted by bobafett

hey good find on a company that splits up the kits. I will probably have to look into this one day!

I read through it really fast, but what did you end up using for mounting the tops? just retain stock accord hats for front and rear?

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Yep I used the factory top mount, the front and rears both worked perfectly with the coilover setup.

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Originally Posted by Hash_man_Se_i

Oh snap son.... This is some exciting stuff...

So at the height you have it at now... how much lower could you go front or rear?... I have heard D2's are pretty decent quality coilovers.,

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It would prob drop about another 2 inches, but I wouldn't go any lower then an inch more. That would prob destroy the struts and ride like crap.

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Originally Posted by A18A

hmmm, i wonder what sweet as shit is like =P

anyways L_M, you have the perfect wheels unfortunately i dont know jack shit about suspension so i wouldnt know what im cheering for

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Your cheering for the fact that 3rd gen accords have a whole new realm of suspension options :) .

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=Vanilla Sky how much did all of that set you back?

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The d2s are normally $850.00 a kit, but they charged me $250.00 a corner for the split up kit.

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Originally Posted by Legend_master

The d2s are normally $850.00 a kit, but they charged me $250.00 a corner for the split up kit.

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What they charged you extra?? Vultures!!! They should be giving you a discount instead for not selling suspensions for proper cars. :)
Anyway, congrats on finding a suspension option that fit's so easily!

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Originally Posted by thegreatdane

What they charged you extra?? Vultures!!! They should be giving you a discount instead for not selling suspensions for proper cars. :)
Anyway, congrats on finding a suspension option that fit's so easily!

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Yeah I thought it was a little odd, but I guess they end up with two kits that will have to be used for parts since they dont have a front and back.

awesome man they look great but too bad they charge extra to split them up though,I encounterd a problem with my tophats because I had to put them on the sedan to roll it around =(

I think if we did a group buy they would lower thw price imo

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Originally Posted by wprocomp

awesome man they look great but too bad they charge extra to split them up though,I encounterd a problem with my tophats because I had to put them on the sedan to roll it around =(
I think if we did a group buy they would lower thw price imo

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Yeah it's no problem, being the first always cost more money. I think we could get them to machine some top hats that match our cars for those coilovers, it we did a group buy.

Bump I redid the first post :rockon: .

so whens the auto-x match gonna be? your accord vs. my civic lol =P

looks awsome legend, but i have one question... how will you get up curbs?

Getting around is *not* that hard with low cars--you just have to expect some scraping every now and again.

Alex

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Originally Posted by wprocomp

so whens the auto-x match gonna be? your accord vs. my civic lol =P

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That would be awsome, have really wanted to beat your civic since I first sway it :Owned: J/P .

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Originally Posted by jschatte

looks awsome legend, but i have one question... how will you get up curbs?

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Thanks dude, but even if I had stock suspension I would never try to drive over a curb :dunno: .

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Originally Posted by 86AccordLxi

Getting around is *not* that hard with low cars--you just have to expect some scraping every now and again.

Alex

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You learn real quick what you can and can't do. Also you will learn a map of every bump and dip around town :lol: .

Awesome work!!!

I'll hav to try those one of these days on my hatch. I wonder if they would stasrt selling them for 3g accords if you expplained to them it actually fits the car.

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Originally Posted by carotman

Awesome work!!!
I'll hav to try those one of these days on my hatch. I wonder if they would stasrt selling them for 3g accords if you expplained to them it actually fits the car.

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All they would have to do is make top hats that fit out cars. Maybe they would do a group buy on top hats and you guys just purchase the coilover kit separately.

Hey Legend, think this would work for a 2G Prelude if I retain the factory top hats like you did? Or are the pinch forks of a different design/size?

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Originally Posted by Secondaries

Hey Legend, think this would work for a 2G Prelude if I retain the factory top hats like you did? Or are the pinch forks of a different design/size?

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Well I am not familier with the 2gee prelude sus, but if it is identical to the 3gee accord I dont see why not. You should ask this over at preludepower.com.

So how good/bad is the damping?

Alex

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Originally Posted by 86AccordLxi

So how good/bad is the damping?

Alex

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It is great, but I am still trying to find that sweet spot for daily driving. When set all the way to 36 it feels like I have solid suspension(big bumps knock your teeth out of your head), set down to 15 is a little loose for the rate of spring I have. 23-24 seems to be the spot to go with for daily use.

What are your rates again? With stupid-high rates I don't think you'll ever really find an ideal street setup.

Alex

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Originally Posted by 86AccordLxi

What are your rates again? With stupid-high rates I don't think you'll ever really find an ideal street setup.

Alex

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15kg/mm Front : 18 kg/mm Rear, the car rides great, but it takes some getting use to. I personally like the feel of very stiff suspension, but that is definitely not for everybody.

get'en lots of understeer?

have you taken it for a "spirited drive yet?

It shouldn't understeer until the front washes out due to mid-corner bumps.

I honestly can't imagine any cheaper coilovers can cope with 15k/18k. d2s for 240s can't cope with 8k/6k.

Alex

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Originally Posted by ZackieDarko

get'en lots of understeer?

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Actually stiffer rear makes more oversteer :thumbup: .

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Originally Posted by mkymonkey

have you taken it for a "spirited drive yet?

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Yes spirited, thats the word for it :lol: . It has been a tone of fun to drive.

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Originally Posted by Legend_master

Actually stiffer rear makes more oversteer :thumbup: .

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yeah it does. especially when your trying to make last call and your taking the loop under the bridge at 65. i think my butt puckered to try and stay in the seat.

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Originally Posted by B18Civic

yeah it does. especially when your trying to make last call and your taking the loop under the bridge at 65. i think my butt puckered to try and stay in the seat.

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The squealing tires meant it was working, you know how it goes :lol: .

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Your roads look smooth there.

Two comments:
1) Learn heel-toe :)
2) Shuffle-steer; don't underhand the wheel :)

Looks ok, can't really get a feel for speed (like most in-car vids).

Alex

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Originally Posted by 86AccordLxi

Your roads look smooth there.

Two comments:
1) Learn heel-toe :)
2) Shuffle-steer; don't underhand the wheel :)

Looks ok, can't really get a feel for speed (like most in-car vids).

Alex

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Some are smooth, but alot of them suck :lol: . I was just granny shifting, and I was wearing boots so heel-toe was out of the question. The underhand just feels comfortable to me :dunno: . Thanks for the complement.

Has anyone here learned doing heel-toe on our pedals? Maybe it's just because of my long legs, but my foot seems to get in a very uncomfortable position if I try to do heel-toe.

man that ride looks harsh....

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Originally Posted by thegreatdane

Has anyone here learned doing heel-toe on our pedals? Maybe it's just because of my long legs, but my foot seems to get in a very uncomfortable position if I try to do heel-toe.

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I have practiced it before, but yes it is a little more difficult then some cars.

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Originally Posted by MessyHonda

man that ride looks harsh....

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You pay the price for what you want.

This your project is my dream come true! Your mods always impress me cos you do exactly what needs to be done to our car precisely. I personally like the color of the case - it is rather discreet than showing off. I don't think I can live with over 10kg/mm but it seems that I can chose like 5kg/mm coil or so I might try one day. Good work, you made my day thanks.

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Originally Posted by epic1400cs

This your project is my dream come true! Your mods always impress me cos you do exactly what needs to be done to our car precisely. I personally like the color of the case - it is rather discreet than showing off. I don't think I can live with over 10kg/mm but it seems that I can chose like 5kg/mm coil or so I might try one day. Good work, you made my day thanks.

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Glad to hear I helped :thumbup: . I think 7 Front/9 Rear KG/mm would be perfect for daily driving, with a little bit of sport feel to it. You will have one advantage on me though, you will have an aerodeck :violin: .

Great job Antares! Glad people on here are still trying out new things for the 3rd gens. Hope to see more people gaining interest and trying out new things. Once again great job bro!!! :rockon:

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Originally Posted by gfrg88

Great job Antares! Glad people on here are still trying out new things for the 3rd gens. Hope to see more people gaining interest and trying out new things. Once again great job bro!!! :rockon:

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Thanks dude, now I need to finish up my rear 11" brakes.

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Originally Posted by Legend_master

15kg/mm Front : 18 kg/mm Rear, the car rides great, but it takes some getting use to. I personally like the feel of very stiff suspension, but that is definitely not for everybody.

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I get those numbers as 825 front 925 lbs/inch in a rough conversion. Damn and you guys thought I was crazy with 600/400.

I think this is great work.

Is there any chance that a more stock ride height can be achieved or something close to it ?



wp

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Originally Posted by Oldblueaccord

I get those numbers as 825 front 925 lbs/inch in a rough conversion. Damn and you guys thought I was crazy with 600/400.
I think this is great work.
Is there any chance that a more stock ride height can be achieved or something close to it ?
wp

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Not crazy, just devoted :lol: . You could definitely get something close to stock. Options can be choosen from an array of spring rates. (3.5, 5, 7, 9, 11, 13, 15, 18, and 22 kg/mm) and you can choose back and front separately.

I have 9kf/12kr,and it shows!

so can we use any 4th gen rear shocks or do they have to be part of a coil over kit? or do just just have to have adjustable spring perches? cause then we could use koni yellows for 4th gens

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Originally Posted by frantik

so can we use any 4th gen rear shocks or do they have to be part of a coil over kit? or do just just have to have adjustable spring perches? cause then we could use koni yellows for 4th gens

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Well, you would not be able to use any 3gee springs, because the 4th gen springs are much smaller in diameter. I dont know if the strut would be to short as well. Honestly that would need to be tested.

ok cool thanks :)

Well antares are you happy? i get konis so you have to make me look like a deuche. lmao way to go man your a true pioneer. So are you finally set or is there something in the future for you?

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Originally Posted by 2drSE-i

Well antares are you happy? i get konis so you have to make me look like a deuche. lmao way to go man your a true pioneer. So are you finally set or is there something in the future for you?

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You know it's my duty as a Texan to make you oklahomans look bad :lol: . I need to build a better motor, finish the rear brakes, and turbo. Then I need to paint and get some seats to finish this car :violin: .

Whats the update on this? Good bad ugly ?


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Originally Posted by Oldblueaccord

Whats the update on this? Good bad ugly ?
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Good: handles beautifully
Bad: Rides really ruff

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I meant to ask can the ride height get close to stock ? Or how low do you think it is currently?


Thanks gald its working out sounds like something I might be after.


wp

even just city driving is bad legend? on the softest setting?

Well just a comparision

CC248

Front TRW spring replacement 278.5 lbs/in

CC221

Rear TRW replacement SPRING RATE= 170 Lbs./In


wp

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Originally Posted by Oldblueaccord

Shameless post pad here

I meant to ask can the ride height get close to stock ? Or how low do you think it is currently?


Thanks gald its working out sounds like something I might be after.

wp

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The suspension could definitly be raised back to stock, and still maintain the pre-load. I think I went with a little to stiff on the rear for a daily driver though. I have gotten the wheels close to coming off the ground while moving a couple times now, and It definitly handle very well in a track like situation. I really need to get a better daily driver :violin: .

Maybe I did it wrong I wanted to just duplicate the threads but just moved a few posts around to make a how-to thread in the how-to forum and leave the rest of the posts here.

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Originally Posted by A20A1

Maybe I did it wrong I wanted to just duplicate the threads but just moved a few posts around to make a how-to thread in the how-to forum and leave the rest of the posts here.

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Looks good to me :thumbup: .

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Originally Posted by Legend_master

The suspension could definitly be raised back to stock, and still maintain the pre-load. I think I went with a little to stiff on the rear for a daily driver though. I have gotten the wheels close to coming off the ground while moving a couple times now, and It definitly handle very well in a track like situation. I really need to get a better daily driver :violin: .

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That's where helper springs come into play-- more articulation, basically.

As for stiffness, yeah, you def went overkill, though I'm not entirely sure what the wheel rate is for the Honda (since 18k isn't a true 18k, more like 14k, which is still way too stiff, esp. for d2 dampers).

Alex

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Originally Posted by 86AccordLxi

That's where helper springs come into play-- more articulation, basically.
As for stiffness, yeah, you def went overkill, though I'm not entirely sure what the wheel rate is for the Honda (since 18k isn't a true 18k, more like 14k, which is still way too stiff, esp. for d2 dampers).
Alex

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Well the dampers work great with the spring rate, it's jsut my ass and back that dont work so well with the setup :lol: . I really like the stiff ride, but for a street application I would go down one set of spring rates.

Legend_Master, You really are a Master :-)

The car is great, Your invention is more than I could ever expect...
You don't only think like most of us, You just do the Job.
Engine swap, brakes, susp ... I mean whole susp. not only coilovers...
what is next ?

I love Your ride, it is road car , and can be daily driver even with those mods.

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Originally Posted by P|eszczoH

Legend_Master, You really are a Master :-)
The car is great, Your invention is more than I could ever expect...
You don't only think like most of us, You just do the Job.
Engine swap, brakes, susp ... I mean whole susp. not only coilovers...
what is next ?
I love Your ride, it is road car , and can be daily driver even with those mods.

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Thanks P|eszczoH, after owning a 1st gen Legend I am happy to have a car with interchangeable parts from other cars. As for my next project, I have a turbo kit and I am working on all the necessary fuel parts to make it work.

antares...you turbo that beast and i can almost guaruntee you accord of the year.

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Originally Posted by 2drSE-i

antares...you turbo that beast and i can almost guaruntee you accord of the year.

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It's going to be awile, I need alot of shit to get this going.

You know you can buy full coilover kits from Hot Bits? And they start from $800 upwards depending on what options you want.

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Originally Posted by rjudgey

You know you can buy full coilover kits from Hot Bits? And they start from $800 upwards depending on what options you want.

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I have never actually seen anybody running those, and I am not to familiar with the company in general. How is there quality?

http://www.hotbits.org/v3/product.cfm


and if im coorect it says something like $2800 for the adj kit

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Originally Posted by ghettogeddy

http://www.hotbits.org/v3/product.cfm


and if im coorect it says something like $2800 for the adj kit

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I think that is Malaysian money. When I calculated it once I thought it came out to $1200 or something like that.

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Originally Posted by Legend_master

I think that is Malaysian money. When I calculated it once I thought it came out to $1200 or something like that.

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i found this link on there contacts lol
http://www.kfxperformance.com/

legend your car is truly beautiful, i wish i had it.

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Originally Posted by ahmad89

legend your car is truly beautiful, i wish i had it.

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Thanks dude :) .

$824 dollars to be exact for the basic non adjustable shocks with coilover springs and height adjustments.
Then they have two way adjustable shocks as well, optional external canisters, and racing mount tops.

Add these prices to the above basic figure:

Canisters add $117 for front and $117 for rears
Adjustable damping shocks add $235
Pivot top mounts front add $235
Pivot top mounts rear add $176
Helper springs Front $30
Helper springs Rear $30

They have plenty of dealers world wide and are re-buildable also seem to get good reviews as well. Got to be better than stock KYB or TOKICO with lowering springs!!!

Adjustable topmounts are useless though with our suspension type :) So it makes you wonder why they list them.. it's obvious that they didnt put too much effort into the R&D.

It's not for adjustment it's to reduce slack as stock shocks have huge rubber bits and move around alot when working.

According to their website their top mounts are intended for adjustability as far as I remember? If not then cool. But if the stockers leaves slack it's because they are worn.

IF getting your stock top mounts are as hard and expensive as a 2G lude then the Hot bits Top mounts are a bargain and won't go rusty as there ally!!

They just talk about the top mounts in a generic term as most of them are adjustable but for ones like yours and 2G lude there's no point as the suspension needs to be adjusted to change camber not the shock.