hey all you honda guyz out there that want flaming exhaust...well i want it too! but i heard they don't make kits for 4 bangers, does anyone out there know where i could get FLAMING EXHAUST???
thank you
Jeremy
hey all you honda guyz out there that want flaming exhaust...well i want it too! but i heard they don't make kits for 4 bangers, does anyone out there know where i could get FLAMING EXHAUST???
thank you
Jeremy
i think i saw an ad in a magazine for Autoloc. they had some sort of flamethower thing you could buy.
but besides, as cool as that sounds...it's still rice.
its also Corn, cuz old muscle cars used to do that, they riged up a spark plug in the exaust pipe then some how got it to spark and shoot flames out
This is an old hot rodder trick. The skinny? Weld a boss onto your exhaust pipe right behind your muffler. Put a spark plug in it. Run a wire for power. Put a toggle or pushbuttom switch on the power wire, mount that near your drivers seat. Push button for flaming effect.
It lights the exhaust gasses coming out. Nothing more to it than that.
My car does it when i run nitrous through it but I have been trying to stop it cause something like that means you are in a state of detune. The only ways you could get an exhaust to do that is to run way rich (which is why mine flames when i shoot nitrous) and add a spark at the the tip to ignite the fuel again. On a car that is properly tuned it should burn all the fuel and there shouldn't be hardly anything else left to burn so if you ignite it again in theory nothing will flame. This is also bad for you headers, very bad for your cat, and mufflers. Its no telling how long they will last cause the flame always reverbs and heads back up the pipes before canceling out. You can thank the valves on the head for these dynamic waves. I always though of this as very scray cause what would happen if it kept igniting fuel all the way back into the head? Anyways if you want this too happen....get a fpr and adjust it to 44psi so you'll run way rich....you should be able to smell the extra fuel....and then add any kind of spark at the tip of your exhaust with a push button and boom......instant flames.....good luck burning your car down.
How many volts does it take to get the spark to jump the gap on a spark plug?
I saw a bunch of 4 bangers do it on the fast and furious :DQuote:
Originally posted by 87 Honda Prelude
i heard they don't make kits for 4 bangers
Ok....the fast and furious is a movie and is mostly fiction. But i sense you are playin around so I agree that is funny. But to be more serious I think this idea is dangerous. It takes alot of voltage to jump spark on a plug depending on the gap. Your talking around 5000 volts with a very very small gap. It seems to me you would have to tap off your coil and run an insulated wire back to the bung to the spark plug. But any spark would work so why use a 10k to 40k volt spark plug and risk shorter out your electrical system?.....why not use something else that sparks more easily....
I'm an old hotroder...
heres how its done:
You need a coil and a spark plug (chevy and ford coils can be had very cheeply at a junk yard and are a simple 2 wire hook up). You use an old plug wire to go from the coil (which you mount in the trunk or under the car in a safe place) to the spark plug which is screwed into the exhaust via a O2 sesor bung that any muffler shop can install for you.
Now the wiring from the coil goes to a relay, you will need a 12V source with a fuze (20A or so) and a toggle switch for the dash.
To burn the nylons of the legs of the young ladies behind the car you rev it up and flip the switch! Unburned fuel ignites and fires back a couple feet.
Now you accord guys need to be aware of a couple of things. One: your flame isn't going to shoot that far beacuse these cars are pretty gutless and dont move a lot of air. A turbo car or a big american V8 is just going to be more impressive, but it will still be good for a show.
Now second and more importantly our mufflers are at the rear of the car if you plumb in the spark plug before the muffler you risk blowing it off the car or at least melting the glass packing inside it. If you plumb it in after the muffler it will probably work fine, but it its trial and error :) Again remember that most american V8s had the mufflers just after the headers well under the car, this is a better setup as far as flamethrowers go. I imagine a good straight thru import muffler will work well though.
Just throwing in my $.02
Stew
im gonna try it
dont blow yourself up :bandit:
:werd: careful manQuote:
Originally posted by Mantis88LX
dont blow yourself up :bandit:
STEW: What do you consider an "old" ford? I imagine ill find alot of those in the junkyard :D
Also, should I use a car sparkplug, lawnmower, weedeater, etc... (sparkplug)
And Also, heh, if i throw the switch and leave it thrown, will it keep sparking, or just spark once?
:super:
Actually even ford right up till 1993 had a 2 wire coil like on the mustangs and F-150s. Any coil will do really.Quote:
Originally posted by 1989se-i
STEW: What do you consider an "old" ford? I imagine ill find alot of those in the junkyard :D
Also, should I use a car sparkplug, lawnmower, weedeater, etc... (sparkplug)
And Also, heh, if i throw the switch and leave it thrown, will it keep sparking, or just spark once?
:super:
I would use a car spark plug, but just about anything will do, open the gap up to like .055
You wont be able to hold a sustained flame by keeping the switch thrown unless you car runs pig rich. Gas vapours need to build up before they can be ignited. Thats why you rev your engine then flip the switch (and keep revving). You will probably get a few seconds of good flame, then it will die down to a little ball. Nothing to stop you from doing it over and over tho.
Have fun :)
let us know how it goes too
u go stew :super:
finally a mofo that knows how to do it!! lol!!
I've been itching to do it to my new exhaust since I got it like 3 months ago and my carb runs rich as hell
Sweeet. :super:
Ill pick up a coil tuesday, i gotta werk on monday goddamnit!!!!
Heh, could i use my stock coil? its being replaced with an accel, so im just gonna trash it anyway..?
:super:
hehe... I think I have pics of my old 79 mustang with the flames going I'll have to dig that box of photos out of the garage.Quote:
Originally posted by POS carb
u go stew :super:
finally a mofo that knows how to do it!! lol!!
I've been itching to do it to my new exhaust since I got it like 3 months ago and my carb runs rich as hell
To 89se-i: I havnt looked at the coil on our cars. It dcertainly makes enough spark but the real question is how its hooked up. a 2 wire setup is what you need (for simplicities sake, just a pos and neg terminal).
:flame:
next weeks discussion: minitubs :)
All right... hey someone find out who has that 3G limo.Quote:
Originally posted by Stew
next weeks discussion: minitubs :)
Ill try it with my coil first, just to save cash, cause I threw away my old spark plug wires :(
I have 2 tips comming outta my muffler... should I do both, or just one? Should I even place the sparkplugs on the tips, or should I do it before the muffler, or will that make the muffler explode?
Im trying to find out where to place the plugs, incase you havent figured that out :p
is the muffler baffeled or is it a straight thru?
If it is straight thru put the plug before the muffler, if it is baffled or chambered I would sugest putting it on the muffler tip for safty.
The problem with baffler mufflers is that they trap a lot of gas vapor, so you may not have very impressive reults.
A straight thru muffler would really be your best bet.
Stew
I have the stock '89 SEI muffler, dont know what kind it is.
So far I got the spark plug(s), and coil. Im going to get some Geo metro wires tomoro, since theyll prolly be cheapest
If i need to place it after the muffler, should i do both thips?
Do i need to put a ground to the muffler?
If i splace the neg wires together and the pos wires together on my stock coil, will that werk?
I dont wanna shock the shit outta myself (again) or blow myself or my car up. :p
Splace==splice
I really couldn't say how good your results will be with a restrivtive stock muffler. I also dont see how you would branch from the coil to 2 spark plugs (one in each tip). Start with one and see if it works in any case.
You will not need a ground on the muffler.
I also don't see any reason to buy new plug wires. go to a wreckers and grab the longest one you can find off of a domestic V8. It should be free.
As for wiring the stock coil for use I really couldn't say. I know there are more than 2 wires but without knowing what thier function is I can't help you.
I recomend a 2 wire type coil as I mentioned before. And again a used one from a wrecking yard should be practically free.
Stew.
Thanks, ill be visiting the junker tomoro, then burning things
i got a coil from a motorcycle you think thats works ? and if it has two plugs on the coil should there be one pos and one neg.
i got a strait pipe exaust you think i would get nice flame or any at all?
midnight: yes I would think that would work nicely!
i am still confused on what i need to make my car a flamer......:-)
help me out.
If anyone lives through this, I'd like to have a how-to
Im trying it after skool. If youd dont hear from me before midnight, youll know what happened ( :flame: <ME> :burn: )
Fuck. I got all the parts, they all werk.
BUT. Ive been trying to drill a hole in my exhaust tip, but it wont go through!!! I got 1 cm hole.... but the drill bit melted... HELP!!!!
You need a carbide or titanium drill bit to go thru steel. Any parts store should have one.($2)
I found ONE in my dads tool box, it opened it up to about 1/4 inch or so
Im thinking it needs to be 9/16?
Ill guy buy a 1/2 and a 9/16
Stew: you are god
:bow: <Stew>
yeah 9/16" sounds right for a spark plug... take some pics when you have it all together.Quote:
Originally posted by 1989se-i
I found ONE in my dads tool box, it opened it up to about 1/4 inch or so
Im thinking it needs to be 9/16?
Ill guy buy a 1/2 and a 9/16
Stew: you are god
:bow: <Stew>
lol @ god.... i'm not a god just a guy thats been cutting his knuckles on cars and spending every last cent on em for way too long!
I Got the frickin plug in yey!
Alls I gotsa do now is wire it.
Stew: On the coil, does it spark when it gets voltage?
How do i wire this? + straight to the battery, - to the batter with a switch on it? So when i flick the swicth, the circuit is complete, and causes it to spark? :-/ Do i put the pos on the chassis..., help
Yes the coil sparks when it gets voltage!Quote:
Originally posted by 1989se-i
I Got the frickin plug in yey!
Alls I gotsa do now is wire it.
Stew: On the coil, does it spark when it gets voltage?
How do i wire this? + straight to the battery, - to the batter with a switch on it? So when i flick the swicth, the circuit is complete, and causes it to spark? :-/ Do i put the pos on the chassis..., help
This is where the relay comes into play. You ar not putting a hot circuit straight fom the battery to the coil and back to a switch, this is pretty dangerous.
Instead you use a standard 5 point relay with 12V battery power and a chassis ground, and from that relay to the coil and then the last 2 points go to a switch.
Think of it like this on each relay point:
- 12V source
- Ground
- Power to coil
- Pos to toggle switch
- Neg to toggle switch
When you flip the switch the relay allows 12V past it and to the coil.
http://www.geocities.com/icaruscode/flamer1.txt
http://www.geocities.com/icaruscode/flamer2.txt
Sorry bout the water mark... All I gotta do is wire the switch :p
Please dont make fun of my muffler :( hehe
Allright Stew, I gotsa problem.
Im getting no spark. Heres how i tried it: Pos is grounded to heat shield. I ran a wire from the neg to the neg on the bat. I know the coil werks, tested it in my car, i checked the sparkplug wire, its fine, and the sparkplug is brand new, gapped to about 50.
Any suggestions?
http://members.shaw.ca/mustang/pics/flamethrower.JPG
youve heatshild is NOT a ground!
I would also recomend taking power off a switched power source not the battery so that it can flip on by accident when the car is shut off (your cigaret lighter should do the job).
Ok, got the biatch to spark. But no ignition. Regapped it to 60, sparks, but no ignition, even when i rev to 5K
stew? help?! hehehe
Yea, im going to finish the wiring job when i get it to ignite...
could i be getting a weak spark cause its not grounded properly, thereby casuing it not to ignite?
Prolly the exhaust
with a cat and a stock muffler not much unburned fuel is going to escape.
time for a new exhaust system sans cat.
Me thinks we were on at the same time :-p
What happens if i plug up the other exhaust tip? will the exhaust be more concentrated in the other tip?
stupid question, but couldnt you use a starter for a gas grill?
it may not have enough spark... I used to shock my friends with those... and watch their muscles spazzz!
Its wednesday, and im still not getting any flames :(
Im getting a spark, a very large one, i dont know what else to do.. maybe ill get a new muffler with my next paycheck...
Any ideas?
Take your cat off and put a strait pipe onQuote:
Originally posted by 1989se-i
Its wednesday, and im still not getting any flames :(
Im getting a spark, a very large one, i dont know what else to do.. maybe ill get a new muffler with my next paycheck...
Any ideas?
maybe you're just not running rich enough??
I think im running lean actually...
Im trying to figure out hw to adjust my af ratio, if i do and i still dont get any flames... at least i might get a lil more power.. and ill get new exhaust, my muffler is falling apart anyway
The catalytic copnverter is the biggest hagup for unburned fuel dude. Hot rods and Fast imports with em are all running very free flowing exhaust.
heh..... I had the Pos and Neg switched on the coil.
I flipped those around, wired up a switch... It sparks... but still no cigar.
My dad knows a guy that will remove my cat.
Do you think 60 is to large of a gap for the spark plug?
if you can see spark then 60 is fine.
you could maybe try a plug that protrudes father into the pipe.
I think you are gonna have to uncork that exhaust before you get flamage.
Stew
Uncork?
uncork=remove restrictions like your cat and factory muffler.
(1989se-i) did you say that you have the pos hooked up to the ground? should that go to power?
ya want flames? run the car rich and retard the timing. everytime you shift or let gas it will pop and spit flames. (this is a bad idea)
i told you in the first place that if you don't have an adjustable fpr or if you aren't running rich there is not enough left over fuel to burn a second time
im removin my cat friday, so we'll see what happens :p
Shit I think I'm gonna rig that on mine when I get it back, mine runs nasty rich when I want it to... good way to get tailgaters off my ass, just gun it and throw some fire their way, they'll be like "Oh shit"
Mine shoots blue flames when I hit the Nitrous cause its pilled way rich for safety......and I don't even Have a spark plug in my exhaust. They did get more noticeable when I removed the cat and my friends say its cool but I think its dangerous.
Danger's my middle name.....
I really want to see how this works out. I have a feeling my car already shoots flames... I've heard loud noises come from my exhaust when i rev high and I've had people honk at me and other weird shit. I'll have to mount a camera back there or something to be sure though
I saw an old mustang with this once. I think what he said was that he had a switch that would kill the ignition temporarily. So he would rev it way up and hit that switch, causing pure unburned fuel to go out the exhaust. Doesn't sound too great for your car and it would definitley require a straight though exhaust (no cat, muffler). I guess you could put in a switch that would kill the power to your coil and get the same effect.
so what happened??? did it fall through??? what happened?
Travis
i got it werkin on my old muffler, then i got a new chrry bomb, and never hooked it up on that one :(
a cherry bomb would be the shit for that. thats what i have and i know how NO RESTRICTRIONS they are...
Travis
any pics?
..what do you want pics of?
de flames... de flammmmmessssss! :D
i cant wait to hear about it, if it works good for you maybe i'll do it to impress some ladies :P
I'd love to see if this works. Does anyone know if the ractive stainless steel mufflers are glass packed? I'd like to know if i put a plug before my muffler if it will hurt it at all.
You luck dawgs... some member came across this thread so's I decided to check it out again... figured I'd leave it up top for a while.
enjoy. :burn:
the reason he cant shoot flames is he doesnt have enough unburnt fuel. he has the SE-i for christs sake! the fuel injected model. he needs a carb model to pull this off.
this is how its really done.
get a small propane tank run a line to the exaust and put a spark at the end.this will ensure ignition and will not need a high voltage spark to ignite.dont anyone here watch monster garage?
Never mess with propane in that way it is a sure way to go kaboom
i love to blow shit up! i love to blow shit up!
Need a coil??? I have several ford coils off of 79-93 mustangs. they will work.
i think this is the only case where i wish my car was carburated lol... the link given above is exactly what u need, very detailed with part numbers and such, if uwant to do this follow that link.
if you have a manual transmission and you want to see massive flames and a muffler explode here is how (and yes it does work i have done it and do have pics of the charred remains) Transmission in NEUTRAL - Rev motor up (I reved to about 5000 for maybe 10 seconds then went up to 7000 for a second) - Once you reach your highest RPM level, quickley turn the ingnition key off and back on. I guarantee it is worth it i dont care how much your muffler costed. You should videotape it though i wish i would have it was awesome the cops came and everything it sounded like a shotgun went off in the neighborhood
Why is this thread IMPORTANT?
ok this might sound stupid but on the movie The Fast And The Furious..... when they were lined up to race and there were flames shooting out their exhaust. why was it doin that? was it the NOS? or an after burner or what? :wtf: and how can i do it to my car.... i think it would look awesome!!!:super:
well its a system that sends pure fuel down your exaust which is then ignited by a single spark plug per exaust outlet. I dont think its possible to do this while the car is moving, because it shuts the fuel flow off and sends it directly down below. It is also illegal to do on the street i think, so just look into all of that.
in that movie it was propane injection that was used...
basically a button that would release propane gas, and a magneto or spark plug or something was hidden in the muffler and would light the gas. its really gay and you probably shoulndt put it on your car... :)
i have seen heavily modded cars do that a lot because of unburnt fuel when they shift. i have seen it on modded supras and dsms at the track. but its only a quick flash of flames. :)
then again since you have a carbed accord, you can go to www.autoloc.com and buy a kit to do this. heheh
thats very ricey though, very ricey
well my car is carbed so cant i just make it run rich and some how rig up a spark plug on my tall pipe? (i have straight pipes with a straight throw design Magnaflow muffler, so theres no air flow restictions)
get a coil, get a spark plug, get an old plug wire... hook the coil up like you would on any car, install the plug in the tip of the muffler, run a switch to turn on the coil...then rev the car to like 3000 and flip the switch... you should put a 40 or so amp relay between the swtick and the coil
Travis
Darkside is running a borla muffler on 2.25 inch piping and a gutted cat and his car will shoot flames (for a short period of time). He has a weber and is running rich, but it's kinda sweet to watch from behind.
Alex
hmm... i have a headers, no cat, and i straight through muffler, i also have a weber that runs rich... why dont i get flames...
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Travis
am i able to use anything other than a spark plug?
and should i mount the spark plug behind the muffler or on the tip?
and what kind of plug should i use a lawnmower, car, or what?
just get any plug at the store... its all good.. make shur it will fit in the pipe tho.. and after the muffler... and all you can use is a plug... make shur you get a coil too.. 12 volts wont make a big enuff spark to ignite anything
Travis
how do i make it run rich?
there are kits available now that let you 'bolt on' this type of system. The best way is to find a nut that fits the spark plug you're going to use, cut a hole in the pipe and tac weld the bold over the hole. I saw the kit installed on a classic on HP TV on TNT a while back. I'm sure you could just do a search and find out who sells the kit and/or instructions on how to do it yourself.
I have a friend who had a civic running NOS and when he raced it would shoot flames just like in the movie.
you dont need to make it run rich... with a carbed car with no cat it should be rich enuff... maybe just get a KIT... search for it...like on google...
Travis
has anyone here do this before.... without a kit?
yes.. i have... on a 455 lol...
get a kit.. they are all over ebay
Travis
Its pretty lame to do but I think you should get the idea of how to do it. Just put the spark plug near the end of the exhaust and you ahve it.
