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nice Tommy. Are you going to start racing this thing? Are you going to do anything more than just the front hoop?
What color are you going to paint it?
NICE. they do it big in Thailand.
btw i thought it's better if you weld it down as opposed to just bolting? :dunno:
better start wearing a helmet when you drive now,or some serious roll bar padding, roll bar in a street car and head injury are a bad thing. if you hit your head on that bare steel bar in a wreck, you're dead. think of it as a person hitting you in the head with a steel pipe with a hundred times more force then any human is capable of.
IS it me or is that crush bend exhaust pipe? EEEEk damn ill be afaird to roll over in that thing....either way good deal bro. looks good.
if it's exaust pipe, its nothing but worthless rice and extra weight, plus the possibly of cracking your skull open. exaust pipe is not strong enough to protect you in a wreck, don't think it will,because it's not going to, it's way to thin and easy to bend. a cage is supposed to be made our of chromaloy, totally different properties, the real stuff takes a lot of work to bend, not trying to trash your thread, but if you think that setup is going to protect you,you are dead wrong. it's more likely to kill you then protect you.
Rice, they do it big in asia. Trust me on this one >.<
well it's definitely not your traditional muffler shop 'crush' bent. It's not mandrel bent either, but could be stretch or die bent (yeah I know mandrel and crush use dies, but by 'die' bent I mean the bends are smooth, but the pipe radius is slightly reduced throughout the bent radius).
Anyway, yes LxAcc it's much better to weld it in than bolt it in, or at least weld plates to the floor, then bolt the base of the cage to it.
The dangerous part of that 'cage' is the bends to surround the dash without a side bar at the apex of the bend. Without that, you're dictating that in a roll-over, or hard enough side-angled impact, the cage WILL bend at that apex, which just so happens to be right at the level of the waist/torso/knees which will just end in something not-so-good.
Bar padding is an absolute must. Once that padding is installed, the idea of smacking your head on it is no worse than hitting your head on the stock B-pillar as it's nothing more than plastic-covered stamped steel.
This could be a good cage, but as many have said, it needs to be completed and proper tubing must be used for the application.
Keep us updated with pics, progress, and please please please inform us of the details of the cage.
I am never one to agree with Tim :) but this is absolutely true.Quote:
Originally Posted by lostforawhile
the other issue with the weak tube and no cross braces,is that tube will fold up in a wreck and possibly crush you,or pin you into the car, also the thin tube can shear on impact and then you end up with sharp twisted metal tube that you can be impaled on. People used to use exaust tube in the old days for roll cages in race cars,and plenty of people were killed by what was supposed to protect them. this is the reason nothing but chromaloy is allowed for cages in many race classes, and the way the cage is in that car wouldn't pass anywhere. I'm not putting you down but i don't want you killed by something because you just want it to look good. It's not worth it:stick:.
Cool idea... Not so great execution. I was thinking the same thing as most when looking at the pics... Does not look like proper tubing for the job...
I'll be interested to see how it is finished as I imagine it is not complete, at least I hope not.
You have to see when its will be finish soon in a few day.
I don't do rollbar just only at the front of the car it will be including with at the rear and x cross and cross at the front doors too.
And I will paint in white colour.
Rollbar will be finish tomorrow now painting in white colour at the paint shop.
I will show you photo my new rollbar when it finish later tomorrow.
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it's gonna be hard switching the dome light on/off now :O
edit: and cruise control
here you go steve:Quote:
Originally Posted by 88LXi68
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Toyota Hilux? Yes, more pics of it please Tommy.
It's my style.
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very nice tommy , i like how it avoids cutting of the dashboard
you need to just slam this car already. I know you would probably scrape, but damn that is some huge wheel well gap
that it does....tommy still wanna know what model car those strutbars you are using are off of.Quote:
Originally Posted by 88LXi68
I don't know what model of the car too but I can modified to be fit in my car.
Next step I wanna face off to popup head lights and moonroof.
And make carbon bonnet and wide body and make a hold at the fender.
wow tommy y are u ignoring me !
tommy...i like it...but that bend does not look very safe....i would of welded a pipe from the floor to that bend so it will be more safe
if you hit an imoveable object,those front bars are going to just bend in two and probably trap you inside the car, those bends are completly unsafe and even worse with no side bracing across the doors. not trashing you but this is a poorly designed cage, and it's going to end up killing you in a wreck. Oh well no one is listening anyway.Quote:
Originally Posted by MessyHonda
not trying to scare you but thats a design that might well kill you in a wreck. I can count at least ten critical braces missing.
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LED Light.
I will swap black bucket seat to red bucket seat in a few day.
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damn that looks hawt that engine bay is sick. what kinda cluster is that ur runnin?
I wanted to clarify i'm not hating your car Tommy,but thats a scary looking cage there, I hate to see you get hurt or killed and that way that cage is designed, one or the other will happen. those bars going by the dash that are bent they should have gone through the dash, and been as straight as possible. that Z shape of the bars will fold right up on you. It's a pain in the ass to notch the dash,but it really needs to be to run the tubes correctly. if you had a welder to make the cage, and weld on the tabs,why didn't the cage get welded to the car,and the cage welded together? it's an art form to make a cage correctly, the tubing has to be notched and fitted together with almost no gaps, those bolt on tabs will snap off too if the bolts don't break,they are the weakest point. We built planes with chromealoy cages as the fusalage, I'll have to take some pictures of the joints and how they fit together, it's exactly like a roll cage, but with smaller diameter tubes, the fitting and notching is the same. It's up tp you to do what you want,but i'm going to tell it like it is, if I didn't and you were killed in that thing, i would partly blame myself for not saying anything.
Well all the cusco cages from Japan have the same wavy A-pillar bar.
They're ok for drifting (I guess...), but they won't pass tech for SCCA or anything.
Anyway, for hardparking, that cage looks fine ;)
here's some good tech info on cages and proper design ,it's for off road but the basics are the same thing. I can look at that cage and see which way the tubes will bend in something like a wreck at highway speeds, and that's what scares me. http://www.therangerstation.com/tech...y/rollcage.htm
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Originally Posted by wprocomp
lol i know..
Hey i said my piece, like i said ,if i see something dangerous i'm going to say something. rest of the car looks ok.
can I buy the black seats off you when you swap them over to red?
I do like the idea of a full cage, and I do respect most of your projects (especially the swap), but Just like what Tim (lostforawhile) is saying, this cage scares me.
I know it would make it a pain in the ass, but at that lower Z bend on the front bar, there really should be a cross brace connecting to the b-pillar hoop. That will sturdy it up in the event of a front-end crash. That diagonal bar extending from the floor on the front bar up to the midpoint on the b-pillar hoop is worthless with that kink in it. If it were straight, it would be much better. ...but as Tim is stressing, any kinks or bends, or weak joints are the weakest points and thus the first points of failure. Those very 'points of failure' are all in VERY close proximity to you and your passenger.
Don't get me wrong, I give you MAJOR props for taking on a huge project like a full cage, and I do like the quality of the welds and respect all the tabs and end links. I just think it needs to be executed in a better way.
Lots of great ideas going on here Tommy.
My car at the night time.
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i really like how it looks at night, and the red seats with the takata belts is a nice touch.
Thank a lot man.
Maybe the cage up front doesn't have the best design, but it is probably better than not having anything. I will slow down the impact a bit.
don't get me wrong the car looks great, but in the case of a roll cage, a badly designed one will kill you in a wreck, it's not better then nothing. those front bars will fold right up on top of you in a bad wreck. not putting his car down, car looks great , just very concerned for a fellow member,because what he thinks is safe may end up killing him.Quote:
Originally Posted by russiankid
If he gets into a car accident that will end up smashing the interior, then I doubt he would survive with or without the cage.
I think what lost is trying to say is that instead of just being slightly squished by the car if it rolls over and hits something hard, part of the rollcage is going to break and spear you through the chest instead. The addition of a poorly designed rollcage is the equivalent of adding sharp bits of steel to your car.Quote:
Originally Posted by russiankid
exactly and it's pipe which fractures easy into sharp pieces,thats why they make cages out of chromaloy,it can flex without breaking. a lot of people were killed in early racing before they figured out to make the things out of chromaloyQuote:
Originally Posted by turabaka
I don't care any comment this is my car.
I'm not putting your car down,car looks great Tommy, Just letting you know the roll bar setup like that is dangerous is all, I've done my fair share of racing and I know how a proper setup is supposed to be,Quote:
Originally Posted by Tommy AC89 Thailand
ok, we've all said our peace about the safety of the cage. I just feel like we're beating this already dead horse into a messy pulp.
At this point, I'm sure Tommy is well aware that many of us (including myself) think the cage is a great idea, but with fault in its execution. Let's just not harp on it any more than it's already been.
At the end of the day, couldn't it be argued that this is better than nothing. After all, with weak points or not, isn't it just a little more structure being added to the existing structure of the unibody? I mean think about it, there has been NOTHING removed from the 'as factory' structure of the car, this is just an addition to it. I guess it can be argued that if the car were to roll over, the factory body would just crush and you can just hope it doesn't hurt the driver. Whereas, in this case, a roll-over would do that same crush, but the 'crush' would be hindered by the cage. I suppose it can be argued that the stock body would crush more than allowed by the new cage and the driver could remain unharmed, while the crush with teh cage (providing it's great enough to also cause the cage to fail) could end up with the cage harming the occupants?
idk really, but I just feel like we're all pig-piling Tommy here.
This'll be the last thing I say about this. I'll try and say what lost and I are both thinking.Quote:
Originally Posted by markmdz89hatch
It's not that it'll cause the car to crush less. It probably will prevent the roof from collapsing. Lost and I aren't worried about that. We're worried that the poorly designed cage will snap at one of the many weak points and spear him through the chest with a 2 inch wide piece of steel. He's basically rolling around now with a bunch of spears shoved into his car.
Other than that the cage looks good Tommy. I would just say don't race with it.
I've had my say too, car looks good, it's his car not mine, I just wanted him to understand about the cage problems. not putting the car itself down in any way it seems he thinks i'm putting the car down.
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