JDM Duckbill Replica's

OK guy's and gal's I've been working in this for a while now but I have a deal locked in to have my duckbill copied and reproduce for sale to the general public. TenbyTen is on board I have already taken them a wing to look at and use for the process they are now just waiting for my to give them my trunk and the cost of 5 units. They will cost $200 each and come in CF only.

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I would like to get a list going to see who would be willing to buy one if they are available. There are couple more step to take on my end to get them made. Manly I'll have to drop off my trunk to have the mold made and money. They have a minimum order of 5 but would like us to try for 10. As far as cost goes I worked a deal for $200 each(not including shipping) with a price drop if more than ten(15+) are ordered. If this sounds good to you guy's once I drop off my truck I'll post a paypal and will start there. Also be patient with this part of the process as this I the longest part of it and we have to get the first sold.

Payment can be made to my Paypal.
willing to take Payment with non refundable deposit of $75.

Here's my contact info:
Name: Richard T.
Email/Paypal:[email protected]
Cell: (510)512-4927

So post up name and I'll start a list and post when payment has be received

1.Tdurr (paid in full)
2. 88LXi68(paid in full)
3.Icfortner1989(paid in full)
4. 2oodoor(paid in full)
5. me(paid in full)
6. Ethan (paid in full)
7. Ethan (half down)
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Anybody else??? How bout input. I just trying to get a feel here to see if this is a good idea or not.

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I'd be interested in a carbon fiber duckbill.

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I'd be interested in a carbon fiber duckbill.

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Nice I'll ad you or the list.

So at this point I think this is gonna end up not happening or the cost for each is going to be at least double. but will wait it out and see what happens.

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Do you think the duckbill will fit on a hatch? They have the rear wiper mounted back there...

Nope it would be too long. They will only fit the 4 door from my understanding

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Hatchies got the short-end of the design stick :crying:

i'd do it for a cf one

for hatches it would come up too short and the wiper post may require slight notching if anything, the duckbill was designed to fit on the trunk lid width, the hatch lift-gate is wider. I know because i started working on the molds so it will match the lift-gate and taper correctly.

I'd like a fiberglass or keller one.

If you are going to be able to make it I would like a fiberglass one.

well someone beat me to it. I'm trying to get them made anyways. but if you go on the FB group page someone has them for sale.

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Ten by ten custom carbon(local to me) is willing to do the CF one's for us.

We would need 5-7 up front buyer's
it would be 6-10 weeks before the first run would be ready.

So if you serious let me know guy's

I'm near Portland. How much for shipping?

I can put on the list but mine are not in production just yet. Waiting for them to give a time and day to drop it off. At that point I will then be able to give pricing.

how much would these run in cf?

Bump for this, this is a really cool offer.

I have no interest in this but I would be game for picking up a nice lip if one was ever made.

Im working out the finer details so ill get yoy a price soon. They will not quote me tell they see it in person

alright guys I found a vendor to make the wings for us. Here's the links to there site and fb page. the bad news is they will only offer CF wings. The cost is $200 each. The price will drop after the first bunch is sold out. I will be dropping off a trunk lid to them in the next week so they can start the process. so at this point its time to start collecting money so they can get a mold start. We need at least 5 for this to happen 10 would be better. I post updates ask the come. also there is a possibility that a whole trunk will be made as well.

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Ok guy's I have dropped the part's off to tenbyten. so now who's ready to buy one. it will take a copy of weeks before the first one is done and the is after 5 have been bought. If I have pay paypal and I'm will to give you mine email and cell number. So who ready.

well I went to see the guys at Ten By Ten Custom Carbon Tenbyten Customcarbon today go over and talk about the plan/idea for my trunk and wing mold. I also put down $500 of my own money to get the ball rolling. So that two wings down three more to go. the first wing is about 6 to 8 weeks go and they will send me photos of the process.

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Nice man!

Bump for this guys efforts.

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Nice man!

Bump for this guys efforts.

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This just the beginning. They are also interested in making many other parts. Armrest, head light buckets, eye lid ect. basically anything i can get to them

Wing number one go's to tdurr. Thanks for jumping on this group buy.

id be intrested in a shorter wing for th coupe trunk.

It should fit both the coupe and sedan

So! How is this going?

10 by 10 customs are doing the molds

I talked to them about 3 weeks ago. They are making a mold of the whole trunk and doing all the fitment and finishing work need to make sure it will fit perfectly.

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You guys said you wanted to see here's a peak of what has been done. As you can see the duck bill has been fitted to the trunk and the usdm trunk lid I'm having made to fit the jdm vigor garnish. I'll will be meet up with then soon to get some more shots and see it up close. Enjoy.

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Do you know if they will ship to Europe, or if someone is interested to pick it up when they become avaible, and than send it to me?

We haven't worked out shipping but i would be with to ship them anywhere your the one paying for it lol

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I am so ready for this.

I want one too

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I want one too

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Ok I'll add you to the list. I should be meeting with guys soon to look at a finished one.

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Oh hellllll yeah!!!! Imma make sure to keep cash aside! And subscribe to the thread! Oh, fiberglass shall do

As soon as I get a day off I will head over to their shop to take a look at their project and put a little bit more money down on it to have it finished from that point on I will start taking payments for the wings and will have to work on the shipping details

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how much extra for a cf one? I know i paid for a fiberglass one but just asking lol

The pricing should be around the same price

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So I was able to meet up with tenbyten over the weekend and they are ready to start making the duckbill. Once I have received payment for all 10 in full and send them the full amount they will make them and I'll ship them out to each person in order of payment received. I estamate shipping will be $50-$75 to the lower 48. So that's $250-$275 each duckbill. Any savings I can find on shipping will reimbursed to you. After this group buy you will have to contact them directly to get one without the group savings of $100 dollars.

All my information is on the first page post. Please contact me by for sending any payments so I can get all you information as well. Then sooner I receive payment the fast the duckbill will show up.

88LXi68 just jump on it thanks man. Im hoping that we can get five so i can give them half to get some in my hands the soon that happens the soon we can rap this up. I have two more possibles right now.

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Thank you Icfortner1989 for jumping on this group buy. Come on guys 7 more gone. I'm hoping once we atleast get to have that I can go over there and hand them half to get a few Rolled out. You know what they say money talks.

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I would inform the buyers that the CF product they will get may not live up to the expectations of a product made in CF. Most likely, the individual who is intended to do this work will use a wet carbon or a wet layup method. The product will be heavier due to multiple layers and added resin for each layer. Unless this is Dry carbon, vac bagged, and autoclaved you might as well just commission a fiberglass one made with a cf wrap, it will be about the same weight, materials would be cheaper too to offer this at less than a $300 nominal price point ( or even the group buy of $200). The majority of the work involved is in the molds, after that replicas can be made with a quick turn around time and minimal effort.

As a body and paint guy , im highly skeptical about this individual you contracted for this. From what i've seen it took nearly 5 months for body work on the trunk and spoiler just to see it in PPG primer. Not very convincing of this guys work and the money involved for such items. IDK took me about one month tops to do custom work on both these cars from welding to paint...... https://www.3geez.com/forum/interior-...tml#post974613

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I would inform the buyers that the CF product they will get may not live up to the expectations of a product made in CF. Most likely, the individual who is intended to do this work will use a wet carbon or a wet layup method. The product will be heavier due to multiple layers and added resin for each layer. Unless this is Dry carbon, vac bagged, and autoclaved you might as well just commission a fiberglass one made with a cf wrap, it will be about the same weight, materials would be cheaper too to offer this at less than a $300 nominal price point ( or even the group buy of $200). The majority of the work involved is in the molds, after that replicas can be made with a quick turn around time and minimal effort.

As a body and paint guy , im highly skeptical about this individual you contracted for this. From what i've seen it took nearly 5 months for body work on the trunk and spoiler just to see it in PPG primer. Not very convincing of this guys work and the money involved for such items. IDK took me about one month tops to do custom work on both these cars from welding to paint...... https://www.3geez.com/forum/interior-...tml#post974613

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So I understand your concern I was just over at the shop and they showed me there process everything that you have said about a individual doing it the correct way by vacuum ceiling and not doing a laid up method is exactly what they are doing. This is one of their largest pieces they have made yet besides a whole roof for a performance shop. They live/shop in the middle of nowhere there's no cell phone reception out there and they use a magic jack for a telephone. The reason why it was taking so long was mainly because it was hard to get a hold of them I had to pay them and I was waiting for them to contact me when they were ready to continue with the process. I would encourage you to check out their website and click on their link to their Instagram to see some of the work they have been working on in the five months we are not there only customers so without putting money down how can you expect somebody to make something for you.
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I would also like to point out my track record for commissioning part chedda rear lca's, rear upper control arns, front and rear top hat's. Your welcome. Everyone one that got those products seemed to be happy. Sure its not a CF body part but I've spent quite a bit of time checking places out looking for a place that is not only willing to do the work but is in the business of making quality one off part's. I could have very easily went with some Chinese sweatshop and got them for a lot less in fiberglass. Which is why I changed manufacturer's quality was important. This took me a year to just lock it in and I have $750 of my own money in to it just for body work and mold. You guy's are literally paying for your duckbill and shipping.

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Just so you can see that I've been waiting on on them. So at this point it's just about taking them money. If I had the funds I'd just front the whole thing myself. But they want a all or nothing payment. But i know they will start pumping them out if I have something to getting them motivated. These guys are very money motivated. The only reason why they took this job is because I open up my wallet and handed them $500 dollars in cash out of car show in front of everyone because money talks.

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I would also like to point out my track record for commissioning part chedda rear lca's, rear upper control arns, front and rear top hat's. Your welcome.

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Commissioning by throwing money at something is one thing anyone can do. The product/workmanship credit goes to the fabricator.....

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So I understand your concern I was just over at the shop and they showed me there process everything that you have said about a individual doing it the correct way by vacuum ceiling and not doing a laid up method is exactly what they are doing. This is one of their largest pieces they have made yet besides a whole roof for a performance shop.

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BOTH Dry and WET methods utilize a Vac bag / sealing method..... otherwise you get bubbles or "voids" and with wet you get layer DE-lamination of the resin and CF sheets. I have yet heard mention of phrases like " dry carbon", "autoclave",fabric weight, or grade type and that is a concern. I would not want to be an individual purchasing a misrepresented item and receive a heavier, not as strong, CF looking part.

All your newer pictures show is lack of communication in the span of MONTHS, and it seems like you dropped the ball. Also change the picture in the OP if the maker has changed.

Thanks 2oodoor for joining the group buy. I also go my tax return and will be buying on so we have made it to the half way point. I will be trying to meet up with them over the next couple of day to give them half so they can start. Buy the time the first one is done we should have them all sold. Spread the word guy's.

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Two sold today to Ethan over on FB. 3 more to go.

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closer...

Come on people, lets step up :D hey CF pieces like this are ranging from $175 to $600 for other cars (front lips and roof & decklid fitted duckbill spoilers) so the price point is fair.

So I was able to drop off what money has come in two weekends ago.

And yesterday this happened.

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again 5 months to make a filler panel and about another 4 months to remove the vigor garnish, must have been really tough to do with all those straight body lines :kekeke:. Glad i never handed over any of my coupe visors..... i'd never seen them again

would have saved plenty of money and time actually getting your own hands dirty.

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again 5 months to make a filler panel and about another 4 months to remove the vigor garnish, must have been really tough to do with all those straight body lines :kekeke:. Glad i never handed over any of my coupe visors..... i'd never seen them again

would have saved plenty of money and time actually getting your own hands dirty.

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Lol some sounds butt hurt. I'll ask you to mind your business and stay off my post. If you to follow your own advice and get your hands dirty and finish yours maybe people would buy your product.

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Richard Thompson Lol someone sounds butt hurt. I'll ask you to mind your business and stay off my post. If you to follow your own advice and get your hands dirty and finish yours maybe people would buy your product. So please do not turn my post into your pissing match otherwise I will have to ask to have you remove from the group all together thanks for your time.

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Being bits are missing and posts got deleted......

All i stated is that the bodywork could have been done in a more reasonable amount of time and for lower cost. Not at all a pissing match when you are informing others of auto-body workmanship time for something simplistic after a few posts were casually deleted multiple times. Very "tactful" to threaten with a ban in that regard. My work speaks for itself thank you.

On with these~~= what is the news?

Talked to them monday they told the mold should be done some time this week. They just finished up the other stuff they had going on and they wait for some of the supplies needed to complete the project

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Here is a update to everyone that had paid I do great appreciate your patience and apologize for the amount of time this has taken. The good news is as i was going to bed i was tagged in a couple of photos of the wing mold. Here the photo's. I've gone ahead and updated the original post as well with the new photos. I know they have a deadline for blox car meet at the end of August as they will be showcasing them and other products they are currently work on.

Thanks again for everyone's participation and patients with this.

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any way i could get in on that trunk? or is that a 4door trunk?

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any way i could get in on that trunk? or is that a 4door trunk?

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This is for a 4 door. But im sure they can make coupe one's

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yea prob, but im sure single off cost would be a bit much. maybe ill look into it once i get closer to finishing the car(aka never)

I am struggling to not say anything negative on this I really am. All "news" from the very start seems incredibly convienient for everyone but the ones buying and there is something wrong with that ( timing, verbage, indifferent blurbs, suggestive remarks there are other "priorities" and such) really un-nerving to hear this from professionals who seem to be producing mostly "virtual" product and hold their priority there.
After exactly a month since the last word, I am bumfuzzled why the only update info on these wasn't even a trip to the shop or several...but only a coincedence of a hash tag hitting your cellphone notifications before bedtime? Like wtf am I missing something here?

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I am struggling to not say anything negative on this I really am. All "news" from the very start seems incredibly convienient for everyone but the ones buying and there is something wrong with that ( timing, verbage, indifferent blurbs, suggestive remarks there are other "priorities" and such) really un-nerving to hear this from professionals who seem to be producing mostly "virtual" product and hold their priority there.
After exactly a month since the last word, I am bumfuzzled why the only update info on these wasn't even a trip to the shop or several...but only a coincedence of a hash tag hitting your cellphone notifications before bedtime? Like wtf am I missing something here?

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I understand where you coming from. I'm giving as much information as it comes to me. As far as going to there shop it's not a easy task as they are closed long before I get off work to make it to them. I did have a chance to talk with them over the weekend but I was out of town for work. I'm planning to see them in the next couple of days. The mold is done from what they have told me. I'm hoping to see a wing when I get there. I would agree that this whole process has been a bit of a hassle and wish there was a better way of contacting them other then a magic jack phone line that I get random text from and their IG. None the less the mold is done you seen what I have. This will be all over soon and wroth the wait. I apologize the wait man.

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Ok guys over the weekend I was able to go out and see what was going going on with the wings. Good news is that one came out pretty good. There was a small dent in the mold so the are gonna fix it and we should start get them in the coming weeks. They have will have one complete with mounting hardware with in the week and then at blox on Saturday the 27th I should have at least two complete one's from what they told me. Once I get that first one I will go have boxes made and get shipping worked out with each and every one of you. Here are some photos.

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how much for each wing?

They are $200 each plus shipping. I'm still working the shipping out

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Sick! Good price!

Yay!

bad news my job conveniently lost my time off form and now I work fucking Saturday. I'll have to meet with some other time but I'll definitely try to meet with the asap

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In for update

i went to Blox but i didnt talk to the ten by ten guys since Richard is talking to them.

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i went to Blox but i didnt talk to the ten by ten guys since Richard is talking to them.

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Evidently he isn't, i can't imagine what the next excuse will be

I did talk to them no excuses. I did drop the ball on meeting that weekend due to overtime at work. However I've hit them up at least once a week to meet up with over the weekend and this is as far is I haven't. I personally dont like not having updates for you guys but i just want ti make sure they are the best product possible for the amount of money you are spending so just want it done right. I will continue to hit them up weekly tell I have them in my hand.



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I'll try my best to take care of you guys when it comes to shipping them I promise it will all be worth it in the end.

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i have seen pics and they look amazing. Im waiting to get my paws on it.

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you should have as a concerned customer, comments seem to lack any level of professionalism

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i have seen pics and they look amazing. Im waiting to get my paws on it.

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idk, absence of bodywork to the spoiler being it appears raw can easily produce plenty of defects, the OEM duckbills can be distorted easily.


I would also suggest that anyone buying these, to ask questions about this "product" and "materials".

Eventually it require a top coat/varnish/ polyurethane to help with UV degradation as indicated by WEST SYSTEMS when using their material.

Well they finally got back to me. Today and here's what they have to say. Once again I'm sorry if you feel like I miss lead you guy but you can see here they are owning up for the untimely results. Will try my best to get any and all information. If you like my to FB live thing's so you can ask whatever questions at that time would be willing to do so.

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So I talk the owner its now a one man show because his business partner has step away. The he says he apologized for how long this has taken and what everyone to know that he just wants then to be perfect and the he is sorry that what has happened has effected these getting done in a timely manner. He it still decided to finishing and keeping them to highest quality possible. He did not give me a time line but i will continue to hit him up a couple of times a week from here on out.

With that said everything you are seeing is just prototypes/ test so the are really really unfinished. Non expoy or uv coating. He is also trying a couple different ways to bolt/mount then to the trunk as well. They will have a uv coating once things get to that. I forgot the name of the product he said he was using i think something chrome idk. But like most cf products you will have to maintain the coating with your choice of product and reduced long term sun exposure. He said he has been looking in to using a uv expoy to help with this as well.

Their is a bite of reworking need to be done to the mold because of imperfections that showed when they made these two.

It is two pieces. Top which is the shape and the bottom which it where the mounting hardware will be.They are held together with a black expoy so it blends and looks clean.

There's so much stuff that he was telling me so I think I covered most of your questions for now.

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Damn thats sick!

These two will not be sold either. Just working on the best fitment.

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So I talk the owner its now a one man show because his business partner has step away. The he says he apologized for how long this has taken and what everyone to know that he just wants then to be perfect and the he is sorry that what has happened has effected these getting done in a timely manner. He it still decided to finishing and keeping them to highest quality possible. He did not give me a time line but i will continue to hit him up a couple of times a week from here on out.

With that said everything you are seeing is just prototypes/ test so the are really really unfinished. Non expoy or uv coating. He is also trying a couple different ways to bolt/mount then to the trunk as well. They will have a uv coating once things get to that. I forgot the name of the product he said he was using i think something chrome idk. But like most cf products you will have to maintain the coating with your choice of product and reduced long term sun exposure. He said he has been looking in to using a uv expoy to help with this as well.

Their is a bite of reworking need to be done to the mold because of imperfections that showed when they made these two.

It is two pieces. Top which is the shape and the bottom which it where the mounting hardware will be.They are held together with a black expoy so it blends and looks clean.

There's so much stuff that he was telling me so I think I covered most of your questions for now.

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So the last correspondence with this individual that was posted is deleted now? chicken coupes and all

Even with partnership setbacks , it would have been wise to maintain professionalism from the get go and settle on a specific finalized date for this project, so that individuals who bought in wouldn't have been sitting for a year or two just to see a "prototype" of a spoiler and primed parts..... let alone discussion about the trunklid.

In regards to the timeline issues, i am EXTREMELY THANKFUL THAT I DID NOT HAND OVER MY JDM SPOILER OR MY COUPE VISORS otherwise i most likely would not have seen them or any compensation for "lost" items.

it is intriguing that any information regarding materials used to fabricate these have gone for the most part unaddressed and misunderstood. Yet to have any information on the type of weave and weight of the CF fabric being used.

As far as the epoxied comment, The items illustrated ARE EPOXIED, as far as this board may/may not know the resin being used is WEST 105 EPOXY with WEST 207 catalyst / hardener. As mentioned in my previous post , WEST systems highly suggests using a UV filter or top coat in order to prevent photoxidation from occurring that affects the cross-linking and chain scission of the polymer ( aka Matrix corrosion) . Essentially, photolysis leading into auto-oxidation then embrittlement of the EPOXY. Adding things like benzoyl peroxide or 1-amine/ tertiary amines help unless you don't know some epoxy chemistry. I will gladly educate anyone on the decomposition mechanism(s) of said materials.

Some of the information said above should have been provided to individuals who bought into this.

^^^ teach me via pm's.

But I'm also glad still I spent my money to help make a much desired item for our cars possible. If you are willing to spend the time & money to make a small batch of proper item's in question I'm okay with having two of them ;)

This "vendor" in Cali either doesn't seem to be working on this stuff Im assuming they've been paid up front? It appears like some dude just doing it on the side and procrastinating like people do when you tolerate it. Richard how about stop being his buddy and represent the investors.


There won't be anymore deleting future posts or images by the GB host in this thread., be advised. It's not fair to those invested and n this to not have a history on the board of exactly what occured in the timeline...yea in case something else happens and no parts ever make it to them.

I gladly and sincerely feel the same way tdurr, I realized the risk of loss on my own behalf and primarily wanted to support the community in this piece materializing for all.

Bump for what's up

Sorry for taking down the texts. I was asked to remove the for whatever reason so I removed them. I apologize for that I wouldn't have removed them I tought it was gonna be a big deal. Like i said if i had known this was gonna to end up this way I would have never ask anyone to get involved. I seen a opinion to have items made that no body was will to do. I had seen the work in person as well as other members here and they came recommend from many tuner shope in northern California. Unfortunately they are not living up to the hype and for that I'm sorry.

But here is the latest. Will text again today.

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Also in the text that I was asked to take down he said this and will stand by it.

"It has been far too long. I have just had far too much going on at work, my personal life, and Ten By Ten. I understand people being anxious and I'll refund anyone who cannot wait. We can talk more and you can check everything out Friday."


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Wow thats light, that should be kind to the decklid torsion spring and the top of my head :)
Thanks for updating

Soo did you talk to him Friday?

Nope but he text me about 20 mins ago. I'm head to Las Vegas for sema tomorrow and I'm back Saturday after noon. I'll see if I can make it out there over the up coming weekend when I get back. But here is the latest

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Just txt him asap. I want.

damn that will be light. I will have to dynamat my trunklid.

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I gladly and sincerely feel the same way tdurr, I realized the risk of loss on my own behalf and primarily wanted to support the community in this piece materializing for all.

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Supporting the community is nice and all but should not be at a "risk of loss" terms. Seen this happen even back in 03'/04'. Reasons why I did not provide my spoiler and/or my coupe visors, in addition i did not find it acceptable that i was asked indirectly.

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Real "professionalism". When your looking out for our small community's best interest being that we have had individuals pull this kind of bullshit in the past, only to be fed excuses for the last year or so with with little to no information, i'd hardly call that hating. I will stand by what i said earlier: "Even with partnership setbacks , it would have been wise to maintain professionalism from the get go and settle on a specific finalized date for this project, so that individuals who bought in wouldn't have been sitting for a year or two just to see a "prototype" of a spoiler and primed parts..... let alone discussion about the trunklid."

Anyways for the detailed oriented, I did mention of wet and dry earlier, with the distinction dry carbon for being the more superior method netting a proper light weight and structural item due to the uniformity and loading of the pre-preg resin when compared to a wet layup method that typically consists of a few layers, each layer containing a wet-out amount of resin. I would assume its a wet based on this individual using WEST 105 resin with the 207 hardener utilizing the nice little pipette type dispensers to mix this up volumetrically rather than utilize a gravametric amount that would give the resin a little more strength. Its nice an all to state what the weight is in a prototyped state uninstalled, rather than illustrate it when finalized.

Also for clarification, exothermic is NOT A COMPONENT , its a byproduct of the cross-linking polymerization reaction of the epoxy ring groups with the hardener ( typically amine groups) in a two part system. The dry carbon is impregnated with a thermoset component (aka one part), hence the requirement of an autoclave in order to properly control the temperature ramp up/down and dwell cycles. This provides a better end product than using a common 2 part system where uncontrolled exotherm can be an issue causing the resin to be brittle. I'd go into modulus, tensile strength, thermal expansion, and other characteristics, but it may be beyond the scope of this discussion.

Finally, I do not appreciate being contacted via facebook and/or messenger by Richard. Banning other members, threatening to ban myself, and deleting comments on Facebook when individuals are providing information and insight that appears to be conveniently absent or modified is a great way to serve the community and its members? I do not find providing thoughtful cognitive information as being " Extremely disruption to the group".

Update still waiting on those photos.

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Send me his number bruhhhh

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not hard finding it lol

Here's your update I do have plans to go out there if I don't get off work too late tonight

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Here's a bit of what he let me video last night. He's not really a fan of being on the part Internet and asked not to film to much of the process.

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