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PROJECT: A20A to B18A Tranny Adapter Plate
i am bout to get cracking on making my adapter plate so that i cam mount my b18a cable tranny to my a20a motor. this is being inspired by jason budds turbo 9 sec a20a/b18a combo. we realy dont have to many details on how he did his, but we can work with the pictures ect. i am def going to need some help from the other members with stuff like CAD drawings. i was checking out www.emachineshop.com and was thinking that i could try to just them to get some parts made. i will def shop around on priceses first.
i need some help on deciding what materials to use. at first i was palning on making it out is a steal plate. but then i seen the price of steal, the weight and thought how hard it would be to work with. so i think i am going to go with aluminum. do yall think aluminum is strong enough to hold? i was thanking of getting a 2.5x2.5 3/4" think sheet to start off with. ill get the exact measurement of the mating surhace to make use that not to small. but what do yall think on the thickness. is 3/4" to thick or to thin
the first thing i am going to need help on is making the adapter that going to go inbetween the b series flywheel and the a series crank. seeing that i have both cranks and flywheels in my basement i can check to see how similar the bolt patterns are. if they are exactly the same then i would just need a CAD drawing of the bolt pattern that is the circular curcumfrance of the crank end, that is also 3/4" (or what ever we decide) thick. we also need to debate is this going to throw off balancing. i am going to take some flywheel bolts to a specialty bolt place to see if i can get time 3/4" longer to making up for the extra space of the crank spacer.
here is a pic of jasons budds spacer. not sure if its actually fused onto the end of the crank
http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a57...y/dcf73044.jpg
if you have any important info/suggestions please peak up, and ill update them on this first page
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6061 should be ample enough for that adapter plate
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so yeaterday i pulled the tranny apart. it was pretty clean on the inside. none of the gears where striped or anything/ i pulled the whole gear assemplys out and washed the cases. once i look up what gears i want to use for my turbo setup ill start putting it back together. scraping up the money to grab a obx lsd ( we now know how to fix the known problems with these). since the tranny is apart it makes it a million times esier to mock up for the adapter plate. i am going to have my block and tranny powdercoated black, might even do the tranny case myself. i made the face of the b18 tranny out or cardboard and ill to the fave of the a20 block today and post pics later
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Originally Posted by SQ is the SQUAD
so yeaterday i pulled the tranny apart. it was pretty clean on the inside. none of the gears where striped or anything/ i pulled the whole gear assemplys out and washed the cases. once i look up what gears i want to use for my turbo setup ill start putting it back together. scraping up the money to grab a obx lsd ( we now know how to fix the known problems with these). since the tranny is apart it makes it a million times esier to mock up for the adapter plate. i am going to have my block and tranny powdercoated black, might even do the tranny case myself. i made the face of the b18 tranny out or cardboard and ill to the fave of the a20 block today and post pics later
wow dude that is a hell of a project, I wouldn't even know where to start. As for the gearing, I would run the LS integra or b18a/b gears. They are the widest of all the b-series gearing and great for turbo applications.
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yeah, well its a b18a tranny and all the gears look great. when i cleaned out the tranny case on the lil magnet on the bottom is had very few small shavings but no chunks or anything. and the gears look as if they where never grinded.
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This motor is going to be an anchor. The cast-iron block of the A20 coupled with the heavy transmission of the Bseries sounds pretty heavy to me. The A20 transmission is much smaller and I would think by doing the 1st gen Integra gear swap would yield just as good results with less amount of work.
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Originally Posted by 88LXi68
This motor is going to be an anchor. The cast-iron block of the A20 coupled with the heavy transmission of the Bseries sounds pretty heavy to me. The A20 transmission is much smaller and I would think by doing the 1st gen Integra gear swap would yield just as good results with less amount of work.
Do they make an LSD for the first gen teg internals?
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well. i was reading the jason budd post where he was saying his a20 trannys where prob to blowing up. i dident want to deal with that. plus my stock tranny was auto, i am converting to 5spd. i already had a b18a tranny laying around, minds well put it to use. plus with the b series tranny i can use the obx lsd. and on top od that i can use the b series short shifters, shifter bearing, light weight flywheels and clutches. it does have alot od advantages. not to mention stage 3 axles
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Originally Posted by Legend_master
Do they make an LSD for the first gen teg internals?
not usre, but i am sure they have on for the b18a cable tranny
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Originally Posted by SQ is the SQUAD
well. i was reading the jason budd post where he was saying his a20 trannys where prob to blowing up. i dident want to deal with that. plus my stock tranny was auto, i am converting to 5spd. i already had a b18a tranny laying around, minds well put it to use. plus with the b series tranny i can use the obx lsd. and on top od that i can use the b series short shifters, shifter bearing, light weight flywheels and clutches. it does have alot od advantages. not to mention stage 3 axles
well, the only reason jason kept blowing A series trans was because he was pushing a lot of power. I believe he was close to 600 or over 600 hp easy.
you are not going to push that much power. people on this board had their cars up to 30psi with stock tranny and it held up just fine. i think you are waisting your time and money. if i was you i would get carbed tranny since it has a little longer gear ratio.
as far as short shifters, there are short shifters for our accords.
i wouldn't use light weight flywheel. you don't want RPM drop too quickly when you shift. stock flywheel should be just fine.
just build up the motor to handle some power and tune the shit out of it.
as far as axels go, you can get them custom made.
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Originally Posted by shepherd79
well, the only reason jason kept blowing A series trans was because he was pushing a lot of power. I believe he was close to 600 or over 600 hp easy.
you are not going to push that much power. people on this board had their cars up to 30psi with stock tranny and it held up just fine. i think you are waisting your time and money. if i was you i would get carbed tranny since it has a little longer gear ratio.
as far as short shifters, there are short shifters for our accords.
i wouldn't use light weight flywheel. you don't want RPM drop too quickly when you shift. stock flywheel should be just fine.
just build up the motor to handle some power and tune the shit out of it.
as far as axels go, you can get them custom made.
Agreed, just seems like a lot of work for nothing. You could turn around and sell that LS tranny for like $250 and put it towards something else.
Rob is using an LSD from a B-series in his b20 trans, so I am sure something would fit in the A20 trans.
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with proper tunning stock engine can handle a lot more than 12 psi. Sean had GM ignition system and he was running close to 20 psi on stock bottom end.
it is all about tunning.
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well, i am still doing it anyways............................ just because i want to.
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Originally Posted by shepherd79
well, the only reason jason kept blowing A series trans was because he was pushing a lot of power. I believe he was close to 600 or over 600 hp easy.
you are not going to push that much power. people on this board had their cars up to 30psi with stock tranny and it held up just fine. i think you are waisting your time and money. if i was you i would get carbed tranny since it has a little longer gear ratio.
as far as short shifters, there are short shifters for our accords.
i wouldn't use light weight flywheel. you don't want RPM drop too quickly when you shift. stock flywheel should be just fine.
just build up the motor to handle some power and tune the shit out of it.
as far as axels go, you can get them custom made.
i dont think our trannys can withstand 600hp if we constantly bag on it, but even then, how many of us had that much power to play with from an A20?
the stock tranny should be useable to a point where we shouldnt have to change it until we went for a track day.
how much does a stock B series flywheel weigh? my guess is if its close to what ours weigh when its lightened, then it might be more worthwhile to use a B series flywheel instead with an adapter piece. the reason i say this is cause its alot easier to find a beefy clutch for a B series then it is an A series.
how much, and where can i get custom axles made?
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unless youre planning on running 10s the stock tranny should be strong enough, Jason budd and Johnny O had problems when they were running low 10s when they started going thru trannies.
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maybe i plan on running low ten's : )
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I thought you could get LSD with the B18? Isn't that what some of you guys wanted?
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just got a message back form jason bud, the plate is 1/2' aluminum and he getting me the info on where he got his crank space. the guy sold him a prototype is form quartersports
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good luck with a project i hope you get it done and have no problems running with it.
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good luck with a project i hope you get it done and have no problems running with it.
thanks alex
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just got a message back form jason bud, the plate is 1/2' aluminum and he getting me the info on where he got his crank space. the guy sold him a prototype is form quartersports
cant he send you more detailed pics and specs so its less hard on you?
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i am slowly getting info directly from the source, just gotta wait it out a bit
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maybe i plan on running low ten's : )
I hope you would raise that car up then... :)
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the crank space you can get them off auto a20a3 i have like two of them laying some where i would half to look for them
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Originally Posted by TWOLOUDNPROUD
the crank space you can get them off auto a20a3 i have like two of them laying some where i would half to look for them
i dont understand what you are saying. my a20a3 is auto, are you saing i can use something in there?
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yes, i will be using aluminum forthe plate. i am going to build the plate incase i blow up this tranny, it will make it esier to swap. no need to modify the end of the shiftlinkage, ill just use the whole integra shidter assembly. i already have an aftermarket b series tranny mount brack that ill weld insode the engine bay once i see exactly where the tranny will end up. as far as a xles go, one of our accounts for the towing company used to one silent drive, a axle company in boston. he now has a junkyard, ill ask him about shorthnig it or usring a different longer axle and shorthing that
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i dont understand what you are saying. my a20a3 is auto, are you saing i can use something in there?
On the a20a3 auto trany between the crank and the flex plate there is a crank space that what i am saying
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if i have time today i am gonna pull off my auto tranny to see what your talking about
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i took the auto tranny off earlier and the lil space that was in there was way too thin. it would tale 8 0f them to equal 1/2" but on the bright side i can use it as a trmplate for when i get my sheet of aluminum so that i can drill ome out. jason budd said that the longer bolts he used for thr flywheel are acutally arp bolts. the needed a lil shaced off the end, no biggie. just trying to see if i can get the part number
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well, i am still doing it anyways............................ just because i want to.
are you done yet? j/k ;)
seems to be coming along well.
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everything is on hold until i finish moving into my sisters garage. no garage at my house
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everything is on hold until i finish moving into my sisters garage. no garage at my house
hey man did you move yet or what!
hows the adapter comming along?
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Bringing this back from the dead.
I know that life happens, but did you get any further with this project?
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So I am looking at h2b kits. Does anyone know if this h22 crank bolt pattern is the same as the a20. I am looking at the h2b fly wheel as possible answer to the spacer delema. If so all that is left is the transmission spacer. Now there could be a possible answer to that as well with the h2b transmission spacer.
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Im gonna go and by the wood to make a template. I have a b series trans and I'll just pull my trans and trace them both.
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I got one email, they said they don't do 1 offs or even 10 offs. Lol
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Wow. It ok just to sorry i can't help you sometimes. Lol i figured i would have to find a local shop to do it. I know a couple of places. I've also talked to chedda auto and he said he would ne will to do it for us. Not sure what yhe cost eould look like tho
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Look at what i found! A Factory honda crank spacer.
http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/10...145eb5041a.jpg
Lol.
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I think I just figured out the b series clutch swap for the a20 trans. Think I'll keep that under wraps for now.
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89T
Have to test it
first.
They make shims for the flywheel as well I think there on Rockauto. That should get you dialed in.
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Welp it been year's since this was updated. But here you go. Also if you would like to get yourself one rech out will get a list going so as I test the plate in coming weeks. [emoji320][emoji319][emoji318][emoji482]
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It should be there today.
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Unboxing video I made
https://youtu.be/lm35JeqHJAY
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****Bump update****01/05/2020
Well it been a week and a busy one at that. I was did some traveling to my inlaws and wasn't able to work on this tell Friday. But fast forward to 2020 and we have some success. Lots to cover so here we go(photos will follow full detailed video in the next weekish).
First things bolts finding them was a but harder then I thought. Fine thread metric bolts is impossible local and online they have little to no real information on length so ordered them and can be a chance at best. I called a bunch of place last Monday to chase down the flywheel bolts and not even arp could help the sent me to the company's that make there bolts and they didn't have what was needed. So once I got back home started the search locally and had about the same success. I reached out to allen and he was able provide me with part's numbers for OEM Hondas flywheel bolt at Both 40mm and 45mm
Length.(I will provide the number once I have the bolts). I went to my local dealer where they were able to order me one of each to test fitment and that will happen Tomorrow and I will order the rest(7 out of 8) to be here next day couple days.
As far as the socket head bolts needed to mate the plate to the head nothing in the right length locally.
but I found some(m10x60mm) that would require some trimming and re-threading of the shoulder. After that I should end up with a 4 m10x29mm 1.25 pitch socket head bolt to bolt the plate to the block and clear the transmission. But these definitely would need be ordered I just wanted some for testing before I bought something that's gonna be hard to return if they were incorrect. Also they dont make a 29mm long bolt.(this part still needs to be worked out 100%). But m10x30mm bolts are easily found online and trimming 1mm shouldn't be hard thing to do once I learn how to that is lol.
T-bracket/rear mount seem to fit the stock A series with a bit of modifications. First the bolt holes have to be stepped up to fit the larger bolts for the b series transmission. Next there may need to be a bit of cutting on the transmission of the bracket to clear then trans but that easy fix(not totally sure this will need to be done see next part) and the same with the bolt area where b series bolts go in due to the size of the heads on the bolts. So its trim of new bolt either way it's not hard.
The second part of the t-bracket(rear mount) is there would need be a spacer to make up the difference between the mount and transmission. This shouldn't be a issue due to the fact that this is a test plate so the material can be left or added to the final version of the plates. Seeing how the axle hole has to be cut in the same general area the plate has to be redone not matter what.
I also but the starter in and it clears the plate so that's great news. Just need the flywheel wheel bolts to test engagement of the starter and flywheel so more to come here.
I also took some time to get my accord back on all fours and removed the engine for the most part. So the bay is not freeish to test fitment. Just gave bought a hoist that can hold all the weight because this setup is heavy af.
So I've let allen know of the changes that will need to be made and there are still something's that need to be worked out but progress is progress and I'll continue to plug away at it.
*update flywheel bolts*01/07/2020
So 40mm bolts are gonna be the ones. The bolt can be trimmed a hair, the spacer can be made a hair thicker or a crush washers can be added. There are a couple work arounds for these so its really a non issue. Each will effect where the flywheel sits in relation to the starter so there's bit more investigation but nothing major.
So with that being said the part number is 90011-PGE-000 they cost $4.82 each $38.56 for the set. You can get then next day from the dealer in most cases. These came from a 03-07 accord so technically you could go to the jy and get a set because these are no stretch bolts and can be reused for those of you on a budget.
Heres a sample. The world's first look at a2b awd trans swap.
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So did a thing. Well kinda I was able to drop the A2B setup in today. There's some issues with space in the rear the trans hits the rear sub frame nothing a bit hammer can't fix and the trans sits on the radius arm from the front cross member. I would assume that this is a problem for AWD trans but not for the Fwd. So with that being said I will test a Fwd and go from there. Also the front and rear mount seem to line up with little to no problems. The drivers side will need to move but this is because of where the trans is hitting. Cheers[emoji482]https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...80e32a045e.jpg
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obd0driver
So did a thing. Well kinda I was able to drop the A2B setup in today. There's some issues with space in the rear the trans hits the rear sub frame nothing a bit hammer can't fix and the trans sits on the radius arm from the front cross member. I would assume that this is a problem for AWD trans but not for the Fwd. So with that being said I will test a Fwd and go from there. Also the front and rear mount seem to line up with little to no problems. The drivers side will need to move but this is because of where the trans is hitting. Cheers[emoji482]
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Good job
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Here the latest.
https://youtu.be/PqeX0BnXStQ
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So I'm still working out some of the rear mount things but for the most part the plates are ready for production.
If you are interested in buying a plate send Allen a email with your contact information so he can send out invoices and post your reply back from him below so I can add you to the list.
[email protected]
List of buyers:
Me(obd0driver)[paid]
*Ethan(susanoo)*
*Chris burger(cygnus x-1)*
Jeremy Gallegos(89T)
Tim Taylor (tdurr)
Gabe Grossmann(knifemind on 3geez & prelude power)
* for those that have sent contact information for invoices to make payment.
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Hit us with an update when you can.
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Oldblueaccord
Hit us with an update when you can.
I've been looking for a reasonably priced 5 speed awd trans so I can make the mount rear more. I'll looking for a second rear mount so that's I can make both the awd and fwd ls hydro transmission. The reason I've decided to go with the awd trans it because the shift linkage would much easier to detect with and leave room to 3 in exhaust.
As far as the group buy we ended 2 (out of 5)more people to contact allen ready to buy before he'll run the plates. I've sent home the final details for the adjustments needed to the pate and he said that's it wouldn't take him more then a couple mines to do and he'll run the plates at that moment. So in other words the hang up is we need more commit people.
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Once we get the last person to email him I'll reach out to for updated information https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...29463584e7.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...4336c47392.jpg
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Someday, we're all going to have 3d printers and CNC machines in our garages. Then we'll simply post "Can someone please upload the files for the A2B adapter plate? I need to make one." Then we won't have to mess with group buys anymore. Won't that be nice?
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Someday, we're all going to have 3d printers and CNC machines in our garages. Then we'll simply post "Can someone please upload the files for the A2B adapter plate? I need to make one." Then we won't have to mess with group buys anymore. Won't that be nice?
Yeah you have no Idea. I've been thinking about get a plasma table for my inlaws place for this reason. Lol
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For the trans parts. Housing s separated from the rest of the transmission going to try to get over to my buddies to weld the rear mount together then ship the house over to Alan to finish the plate.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...72b321dc9e.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...22d9e8bf2d.jpg
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So whats the time frame on completion
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So whats the time frame on completion
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Don't really have one tbh but if I had to put a timeline on it I'd say a month out. I mean allen makes it sound like it can done as soon as he gets the parts. "It should take 5 minutes" to make changes to the cad file. Also I don't have access to a fwd trans at the moment so that's gonna slow things down if your dead set on fwd trans. Now if awd if fine I could send this out this afternoon and in say 7-10 days we'd have something new to look at. That's shipping and the holiday taken into consideration and baring any mail/shipping delays. If I have to get fwd trans I'll have use the lexan to make a template for the rear mount because its different from the awd trans slowing things down more. That's where I'm at any input or suggestions[emoji2375]
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Ok so it been a while since I posted here. So here in the later without the bs.
Made/modified the stock accord rear mount and my dd was stolen with it in. Get the mount back some time later. Test fit mount with tac weld modification. Fits like it was meant to be there. The mount modifications consist of cutting(top hole) and widening bottom the hole of the stock mount. Then I tack welded a piece of 1/2 inch steel plate that I had drilled the holes for the transmission to the modified rear mount. After final plate this with change in some fashion but it's also up for debate(feel free to give me some thoughts).
Oreder a 60mm holesaw bit then drill a hole in the plate for the half staft. Drill hole in plate grind it a bit do clearance fits like a glove.(this will be done on the final plate)
Half staft hits black box to oil pan hose. Delete black box replace with D series block plug fitting.
GO-AUTOWORKS Block Plug Adaptor D16 D15 DOHC ZC
And then I cut off the neck off the oil pan. I'll weld it shut and all it a day. Next update will be to cut the 3rd hole off the alternator bracket to make room for some ⅛inch plate where I'll drill holes for 3 14mm wheel studs that will bolt the halfshaft to the mount plate. The mount plate will bolted to the alt mount and a couple other of the now freed up bolts hole location on the block suggested by Jason budd had previously mentioned above.
From there get crv axles to test fit axle. Then to move to the cables. Which I also have a plan for.
Cut a hole in the firewall and use one of these k series shift cable grommet like this.
Billet Firewall Shifter Cable Grommet for Civic Integra K-Series Swap K20 K24 | eBay
Last order of business would be send the plate back for final adjustments and then have Allen run the plates. So Merry Christmas and Happy New Years sometime after the first of the year I'll have a update on the plate roll out. At this point I'm gonna gonna say it best for people to get a awd transmission to do this. For those that would like fwd I would say pick this up SpeedFactory Racing FWD2AWD B-Series Gear Conversion Kit
– SpeedFactoryRacing
Then you can run whatever b series gears you would like. As far as the transfer case you just pull it off and cap it.
Umm photos
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The back of the block after removing the black box and cutting the oil pan tube off.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...1b0a0c9897.jpg
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Re: PROJECT: A20A to B18A Tranny Adapter Plate
And a video so you can hear my beautiful voice and get a better look at things.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LBbQ...ist=LL&index=1
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Re: PROJECT: A20A to B18A Tranny Adapter Plate
Great Job!
EDIT: Can you imbed your youtube? the link is tripping the safety in the software.
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Oldblueaccord
Great Job!
EDIT: Can you imbed your youtube? the link is tripping the safety in the software.
So I've tried it a couple time and its not working either tap talk or the site is cockblocking me [emoji58] same with the photos. I have a ton of them but even with the pro tap talk I can't ad half of them. I'll try on my desktop in and see what happens
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I redid your you tube. The picture hosting I dont have a good solution as of yet. Sorry.
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Well for me I use Imageshack its 3.99 a month. I reuped and they cut you a deal on a whole year for 37$.
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I redid your you tube. The picture hosting I dont have a good solution as of yet. Sorry.
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Well for me I use Imageshack its 3.99 a month. I reuped and they cut you a deal on a whole year for 37$.
So tried after I seen you did it and now its not working at all lol :wtf:
everything is always harder then it needs to be over here lol
So here's the link and again idk why we cant just post links its hella dumb to have a mod do it for it to work
A2B Swap update - YouTube
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So I've tried it a couple time and its not working either tap talk or the site is cockblocking me [emoji58] same with the photos. I have a ton of them but even with the pro tap talk I can't ad half of them. I'll try on my desktop in and see what happens
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/SHAZAM
I cant do anything on a phone either I almost always use a PC.
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Oldblueaccord
/SHAZAM
I cant do anything on a phone either I almost always use a PC.
I did it from my laptop it didn't work. I literally copied and pasted the embed link to the post and it was dead from the gate. At least with the web link it would allow you to go to the page if post the embed link it just shows as text [emoji2375]
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side note you can see when I post from the app/mobile it says sent from tap talk :banghead:
Thanks for the help tho :bow:
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No problem. Merry Christmas.
If you need me to re title something or move some links around just PM me. Ill do my best.
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No problem. Merry Christmas.
If you need me to re title something or move some links around just PM me. Ill do my best.
Merry Christmas to you as well and definitely will hit next time.
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Before and after the holesaw. Also laid the plate with a hole on top of the piece of plexiglass that I had originally made next to the automatic bellhousing so you can see how different the whole is this is what leads me to believe that there would be a difference between the front wheel drive transmission axle placement and all-wheel drive. I'll have to fine a fwd transmission to compare for sure tho. Welp that's all the photos for now. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...09b269c6e4.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...9f9aaf3386.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...98d7698d1e.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...3cfc3feb34.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...d3ea15b8bc.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...20dccec50e.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...f7de81f44d.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...0fca41bc06.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...cae57f0385.jpg
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I'm assuming this area will be tied together?going back and looking at your mounts. That would be no.
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Welp that's up for debate. However I'll point out that the mount you see in the photo is far from done as it literally has a single tac holding it because I'm waiting tell I have the axles and halfshaft plate in on and everything on the car to do and welding in place to make sure the angle is correct. Also not matter what happens the rear mount is every man for themselves as the rear mount wasn't part of the deal with Allen built. The agreement was for plates only so the mount really has nothing to do with the plate itself but more of a exploration of available options. I also have plans to work on making a mount based off my current mounts measurements and dimensions for the template after its welded all the way around but this also depends on final plate design because there may be no need. Also I'll be added the 4 mount of the trans as well which also isn't part of the plate arrangement.
If left open as it is now spacers and/or modifications to the rear mount would make this work for all b series transmissions. The catch would be the ½ spacers and welding to the rear mount. It would be a good thought to just make a rear mount all together if this route is chosen because I can see how you make my mount may be weak if driving crazy hard like your.
But if we have tha area added the plates would have to be specific to each trans as I'm sure the axle placement is different forms one to each other. This route would be easier for the mount as there would be not welding to stock mount but you would have to modify the holes to allow them to fit the larger bolts and the angle. This would be a lot stronger but still also have its probably under hard driving conditions but for most it should be fine.
And the third would could give others opinions as well and that would be to use the b series t bracket. The would require the most modified of them all as you would have to make the rear cross member mount and mostly likely modify the t bracket as well. Spacers would work because would once again allow for the plate to stay the way it is and keep it open for all b series transmissions. But if the part you have outlined is filled there is a possibility that you'll have to modify the mount both at the cross member and at the transmissions to fit. Also only two this would also eliminate 1 of the 4 bolts points where the stock mount would have all 4 of the bolts.
The only other thing I would consider about mounts is that there is still the passenger side transmissions mount which would only add strength and rigidity that wasn't it once there so as much as the rear mount may look or be weak there is the potential to have 4 mounts when the car only have 3. I would imagine that the mount in the Innovative kit could possibly be used in some fashion but I'm sure that much like everyone it will have to be modify and most likely need to be weld in place.
These are my thoughts and observations from what's I've gathered so far. I don't have a t bracket to play with to test that theory and I don't have a innovative passenger side to test that theory but if anyone has a lead on either side it my way and I'll explore them no problems. I was really work on k.i.s.s. thoughts progress. As always hit with your thoughts and insights
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Yes but as you and I have discussed before(in February screen shot for Allen's words not mine ) a mid plate isn't something he would run and from the looks of thing's neither design wouldn't work without modification to it. It would also increase the cost of the plate by at least double because of the add material therefore make the plate that much more unaffordable for everybody else making it less of a option.
Also it looks like a rear mount off the rear cross member would have to be made as well. I see lost of areas where your mid plate and the a2b plate would over lap so you could modified the a2b plate or your mid plate to make it work for your application but having your mid plate and the a2b as one isn't something I see happening. Plus let's face it you are the most capable person to make adjustments or changes to the end result no matter what the final plate is like. Cutting the plate in half then drilling new holes in the mid plate you have made for the b series transmissions shouldn't be as hard and it would be more cost effective than to make the plate itself that much bigger. My suggestion/solution would be to have him send you this plate prototype and you can hack it up more or at least keep the plate design as close to this as possible because it would be plenty easy to
1: use the a2b plate for a template for the bottom half of the transmissions hole's to make the necessary changes to your mid plate.
2: after the holes are drilled just cut plate in half and use the top part to mate the motor and transmissions together.
Only problem I see is the axle hole is different for each transmissions do you would have to cut your mid plate to accommodate for what ever transmissions axle placement. You also still have the ability to add a 4th mount with would help support the weight of thing's and help reduce the movement some which may help you in the grand scheme of things. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...a21adfb879.jpg
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Yes but as you and I have discussed before(in February screen shot for Allen's words not mine ) a mid plate isn't something he would run and from the looks of thing's neither design wouldn't work without modification to it. It would also increase the cost of the plate by at least double because of the add material therefore make the plate that much more unaffordable for everybody else making it less of a option.
Also it looks like a rear mount off the rear cross member would have to be made as well. I see lost of areas where your mid plate and the a2b plate would over lap so you could modified the a2b plate or your mid plate to make it work for your application but having your mid plate and the a2b as one isn't something I see happening. Plus let's face it you are the most capable person to make adjustments or changes to the end result no matter what the final plate is like. Cutting the plate in half then drilling new holes in the mid plate you have made for the b series transmissions shouldn't be as hard and it would be more cost effective than to make the plate itself that much bigger. My suggestion/solution would be to have him send you this plate prototype and you can hack it up more or at least keep the plate design as close to this as possible because it would be plenty easy to
1: use the a2b plate for a template for the bottom half of the transmissions hole's to make the necessary changes to your mid plate.
2: after the holes are drilled just cut plate in half and use the top part to mate the motor and transmissions together.
Only problem I see is the axle hole is different for each transmissions do you would have to cut your mid plate to accommodate for what ever transmissions axle placement. You also still have the ability to add a 4th mount with would help support the weight of thing's and help reduce the movement some which may help you in the grand scheme of things.
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The mid plate I built is for the a20 transmission. I could re-drill the plate for the b-series though.
Or I could just make a full a2b plate. Just need time to do it.
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Welp shit happens people lag but better late then pregnant. Awd transmission delivered to Allen built on Friday. Had a short conversation with him about what else is needed on my side and he said he needs nothing else from me to make the adjustments and/or redesign the plate. So we wait. S/O tdurr for pulling the trigger on the trans for his a2b swap making this possible[emoji1488]
Now that that's been said y'all better get your money right because this pretty much is a done deal. The a2b plate will be based off the AWD transmission. Just because is AWD doesn't mean you have to go awd. You can pull the transfer case and cap the space were it go's in and run it FWD. Doing so will be close to running a LS FWD trans. There some specific reasons why this was the final choice.
Cable shift link making it's easier to run then rod linkage. More space for larger 3in+ exhaust. You can also stuff the exhaust higher up giving you more ground clearance for those that want to be slammed.
The option for both AWD and FWD
Price of the AWD vs GSR/Type are transmission is cheaper. This will allow for people to spend money on other things like LSD, replacement shift Fork to have the ability to run front wheel drive gear sets in the awd transmission, And better gears sets like straight cut or dog box gears over stock gears. In the end you'll have a much better overall built trans vs a stock used trans.
And most importantly fitment. The awd transmission just flat out fits better without other modifications to the chassis. Compared to the FWD transmission the AWD fit like it was meant to be there. The FWD trans was laying on the torsion arm coming off the front crossmember. Meaning everyone would have get a traction bar to clear it vs being able to run what you got. Secondly the rear mount fitment is much better. Now that isn't to say that you can use the stock mount without modification but that the AWD trans lines up better so with modifications the stock mount can be made to work without completely redesigning the rear mount for the Fwd trans. These two things save money and make it easier for everyone. I will continue to work on a better mount but for those with a grinder, cut off wheel and a someone who welds you could make the mount for dollars at home.
After market parts are plentiful for the awd transmission just like the FWD and if you swap out the shift Fork all the same gear options are available for the awd transmission.
Now none of this means that the plate won't work for both but that awd will be a sure thing first. I will talk to Allen about making it work for both if it's possible on the same plate but I wanted to give guys this good news. I'm sure I left things out but yeah some progress https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...ee33ab71d3.jpg
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Welp shit happens people lag but better late then pregnant. Awd transmission delivered to Allen built on Friday. Had a short conversation with him about what else is needed on my side and he said he needs nothing else from me to make the adjustments and/or redesign the plate. So we wait. S/O tdurr for pulling the trigger on the trans for his a2b swap making this possible[emoji1488]
Now that that's been said y'all better get your money right because this pretty much is a done deal. The a2b plate will be based off the AWD transmission. Just because is AWD doesn't mean you have to go awd. You can pull the transfer case and cap the space were it go's in and run it FWD. Doing so will be close to running a LS FWD trans. There some specific reasons why this was the final choice.
Cable shift link making it's easier to run then rod linkage. More space for larger 3in+ exhaust. You can also stuff the exhaust higher up giving you more ground clearance for those that want to be slammed.
The option for both AWD and FWD
Price of the AWD vs GSR/Type are transmission is cheaper. This will allow for people to spend money on other things like LSD, replacement shift Fork to have the ability to run front wheel drive gear sets in the awd transmission, And better gears sets like straight cut or dog box gears over stock gears. In the end you'll have a much better overall built trans vs a stock used trans.
And most importantly fitment. The awd transmission just flat out fits better without other modifications to the chassis. Compared to the FWD transmission the AWD fit like it was meant to be there. The FWD trans was laying on the torsion arm coming off the front crossmember. Meaning everyone would have get a traction bar to clear it vs being able to run what you got. Secondly the rear mount fitment is much better. Now that isn't to say that you can use the stock mount without modification but that the AWD trans lines up better so with modifications the stock mount can be made to work without completely redesigning the rear mount for the Fwd trans. These two things save money and make it easier for everyone. I will continue to work on a better mount but for those with a grinder, cut off wheel and a someone who welds you could make the mount for dollars at home.
After market parts are plentiful for the awd transmission just like the FWD and if you swap out the shift Fork all the same gear options are available for the awd transmission.
Now none of this means that the plate won't work for both but that awd will be a sure thing first. I will talk to Allen about making it work for both if it's possible on the same plate but I wanted to give guys this good news. I'm sure I left things out but yeah some progress
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What's the time-line for completion?
I'm ready to pick one up when they come available
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What's the time-line for completion?
I'm ready to pick one up when they come available
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I'm gonna hold back the eta because I always end up putting me foot in my mouth when I do. But it's gonna sooner then later I'll get a better idea by the end of the week. Side if you already reached out to Allen with you email and contact information for the a2b plate and your name is on the list you will get contacted first. But from the previous discussion about this all plates will have to paid for before he runs any of them you as soon as I get the word or you guys are emailed don't lag on sending payment otherwise it will slow thing down more.
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He's the foot for mouth. Eta a few weeks https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...b0ffb0cdd6.jpg
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Update from last week [emoji51][emoji849] he has everything so the ball is really in his court. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...4fd9416af7.jpg
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Sounds like a job opportunity for you...learn CNC work.
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Sounds like a job opportunity for you...learn CNC work.
Yeah except for I don't have space for a CNC machine and he's on the other side of the map from me how many California he's in Virginia[emoji2377] and that's what I paid him for sooooooo I wait
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Ah ok sorry I thought he was Socal like you.
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I'm in norcal lol ahahahaha Oakland ca not LA and there even a 6 hr drive from each other. But wish he was closer
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