B18B1 Build and Swap - Rendon LX-I

Well im letting go of something good for something better LOL. ya ya i alread know what you guys gonna say Anywho

I post pics once i get home.

You guys know so far i have a B16a and I just bought a complete B18b1 last night. APr head studs and redo the main and rod bearing for a tighter clearance. 12 lbs should be 300whp.

Pics to your comp near you.

B series swap info:

First off this project can be cheap, expensive, or nothing depending on your sources. But I'm going to give the info I researched an trail an fail lol.

Motor: I'm Ls Vtec which means using a non Vtec block an mating it with a Vtec head. Now you can run non Vtec or Vtec up to you but I wanted a beast so I buildt mine.

Wiring: I'm using a bloomslang jumper harness that was made for my chassis . You have to call bloomslang an tell em you want one made for a 86-89 accord. Only flaw about the harness is the ckp wires are not shielded which 2 bucks can get you the amount needed at Home Depot (shielded 18-2 wire) make sure you have these wires correct or you will not start. Harness uses your existing plugs as your AC solenoid connector for your iac an your fast idle control solenoid (in your black box as your) as your 12+ icm wire. Pretty much it an I took apart my engine bay harness an took out what I did not need an wanted an swapped plugs. You going to have to put a obd1 Ect,iacv,dizzys,Vtec (if have) tps,Iat, CONNECTORS on your existing harness. The jumper harness provides a extension harness to wire up (4) wire o2 sensor an extra crap if you have gsr with 2nd throttle body's. (pics in thread)

Note: IF YOUR 86-87 an have a vss code (17) YOU NEED A 89 CLUSTER to fix this problem.

Transmission: has to be cable unless you decide to swap clusters an do the required wiring to run eletro vss.

Axles: have to use a mid shaft from 90-93 integra,gsr. Has to be female to male!!!!!!! Remember has to be that in order to run the axles I'm about to mention. You can use 94-98 teg mid shaft but you would have to a different seal on the cable trans also have to use 94-94 axle which are made for that midshaft.

Driver - 89 lude (has to be this year not 90 or 91 those years have bigger hub which have a bigger shaft will not fit are hubs )
Pass - 90-93 integra fits like a glove .

Running this with no problems. All this hybrid axle crap makes no sense with this you can just buy one an swap it out.

Shift linkage: you can just swap ends from a 90-93 integra (but I tryed that an was to long) my tip is to tack weld it an test fit it when it feels like it shifts fine . Burn it in. Install bastard pin an your set.

Common facts: you need to be fuel injected an obd1. If your not this is the perfect chance to do it. None of your A20 parts will fit a b series so don't ask. This swap is not cheap so get a civic if you want a easy swap. If you can't basic tech work you shouldn't be working on a car period.

Ill add pics an edit this once I get my Internet back lol. Pics are threw out the thread so start studying .

Sweet! Can't wait to see the build man! PICS!!!

im following bro :D

Pics tonight guys . . But I got a feeling I'll be up in running soon

sweet, looking forward to this build :thumbup:

Oh snap. He isn't playing around!

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Pics tonight guys . . But I got a feeling I'll be up in running soon

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sooo the engines in already?

Sweet man can't wait to see pics of this beast lol

Yup yoshi ain't playing. Got both motors. Need to buy apr head studs an Honda oem bearing.

Trader!

So much win in this thread, can't wait to see pics

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Trader!

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No no no. I still have an accord LMFAO.

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Sweet man can't wait to see pics of this beast lol

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Pics are your command LOL

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So much win in this thread, can't wait to see pics

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Pics are uploading as i type

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FORMULA is B16a Head + B18b1 bottom end with acl bearings and apr head studs = LSV WOOOT.

OOOOOO BUT WAIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!THERE IS MOOOOOOREEE LMFAO.

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Tranny Mount
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Tranny Bracket Mount
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Back mount
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Left Mount
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Mock up on body. need to weld this mount.
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BUT WAIT THEREEE IS MOAAAR!!!!!!!!!!!!


As you can see holes suppose to line up but they dont work. Thats why the mount isnt power coded
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Mount on the b series holes line up perfect.
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Things need:

Tranny
axles
bearings
Apr head studs
Itr cams
GE LSV convo kit

acl race bearings, use thicker racing oil. the clearances ar not as tight as standard bearings..

.0017 is ok I'm gonna plasti gauge before I order. What oil do u recommend bro?

Sweet tons of pics ftw, going to be so awesome once it's all in and finished up

Thanks bro. I like proof an pics. Pics are a thousand words lol

What stiffness r the mounts I have the same ones but with red inserts wich r 95a n im putting a built b20v

The track which is 85a which is plenty stiff

Keep up the badass work!

Thanks bro. Doing what I can with the funds I can get.

do u know what outers to use for the spindles

well a 3rd gen lud. 89 teg. are stock one. If anything ill pop the ends out and switch to what i need.

it all depends what you use for a tranny.

im putting a b16 with a 4.9 final drive but im not shure if i can use ef outers

nope you cant. There is a post on here bro if you search for it. i found it pretty quick. It answers all your q's. I still havent got to that point so ill will be needing to know a bit more once i getting the axles poped in

what kind of rods and pistons will you run?

Ill prolly run just the stock ls pistons and rods with ACL bearings and ARP LOL i got it right this time. ARP head studs. NO BOOST till i gather all the stuff. Ill be doing a Wild setup.

N/a on that ill be over 210 all motor. IF i were to boost on 10-12lbs there guys making 300whp on Stock ls bottom ends LMFAO. BUT if anything Ill run RS pistons get the rods shotpined. Block off the oil squirtor on the rod.

This is Im trying to figure out is TO run the water and oil pump off my b16 there both good BUT i heard that b16 pumps are NO good and Tend to Take a sHIT? so idk. Ill have to do some reseach.

run a type r oil and water pump rendon they work equally the same and youre going to want to run a type r aftermarket timing belt.

otherwise you have to keep the ls water pump and oil pump as well as an ls timing belt.

Honda tech bro.

And make in fast progress. I want a run once ur na and after bewst!

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run a type r oil and water pump rendon they work equally the same and youre going to want to run a type r aftermarket timing belt.

otherwise you have to keep the ls water pump and oil pump as well as an ls timing belt.

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Really. SO there is no way or running the oil and water pumps with the head? I can see prolly why not. Its a long block so yea FUCK lol. Ill have to do that then. FUCK ME GE LSV kits are a grip.

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Honda tech bro.

And make in fast progress. I want a run once ur na and after bewst!

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SON idk if you can hang LOL. jk i cant wait honesty im going in a pace that i need to. Problem with me I say o ill do it tomorow BUT NOT THIS TIME im really have fun with this. Ill post pics as i go pulling the OG A20 and Sand bay,fill holes paint and have one of the homies do a little something something in the bay YEA BUDDY. finish the wire tuck.

if someone would buy my damn ramhorn LMFAO. Then ill have some more funds to buy a good tranny. YS1 perharps

yeah i would run type R pumps. unless you run super high compression i dont think the motor will do 210hp. the b18b1 makes 140 hp and the b16 makes 160hp.

O they do bro. My tuner just did one and he told me its easy to make 200whp on a lsv. i asked him how easy. HE said EASY LOL. b18b1 are a tq monster with b16a head. HE said to run ITR cams to make 240 easy but also remember he is a very good tuner. He made a poor mans stroker kit (H22a) using all used honda parts. still pulling strong waxes stis. He tuned plenty of Lsvs its not a problem for him and i belive him. He tune more cars then I blink LOL. NO but no i didnt belive it till i started reading on h-t.

Fuck man so much work but gonna be so worth it! shit if my black coupe's engine is no good i might join you b series guys as well. we'll just have to see. loving the progress rendon keep it up broskies!

The b16a head is a way better flowing head so thats where all your power gains are at. Power is all in the heads carnal. The more she sucks and squeezes and Bangs and Blows the more POWA LMFAO.

Lol talking dirty now

U can run a gsr or ls water pump. n on the timing belt it doesnt have to b after market as long as its a honda 1. Oil pump is a must to put a type r 1

Keep it Pg-13 lol

Lol suck = intake , squeeze = compression , bang = powa, blow = exhaust .


Idk bout you guys. Wasn't talking dirty I was talking cars lmfao

Well, this thread is getting me all hot and bothered!

Exciting :D

Well I've been doing some research . I'll going to be using my b16a pistions in my ls block to give me a bit more compression. Idk if I can use my b16 craddle since the ls don't have one. On the water pump it can be either or from what I understand I can use my b16 water pump an oil pump but I have to use a gsr timing belt since the deck is higher.

People say this an that. I'm just going to have to do some measuring

She's gonna be a beast Rendon,keep us updated.

josh when are we going to meet up and race. A vs b....

I want to be a spectator for that one.

I'll film it!

Ummm. Jerry A series is a tq monster B series has alot of floe in the heads. So who ever can shift fast lol I don't want to be like

" you almost had MEE? you never hAd me you never had your car " lmfao no . If u where not so damn far lol

Hurry up guey. I want a ride in this set up as well :)

comparing stock blocks to stock blocks the b series should shit on the a20, But...... Ha im building a b20vtec turbo... someday

And subscribed!!!........ and what happened to the pics of the turbo manifold.

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comparing stock blocks to stock blocks the b series should shit on the a20, But......

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^this^ :)

Lol. I'll post pics don't worry

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josh when are we going to meet up and race. A vs b....

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I think he should come out here and race your boosted A, my boosted BT, and Ryans beastly all motor ET :D

Whoa whoa easy now. Why people want to race me. Lmfao.

shit il race you:deal:

I'll race you, RIGHT NOW.

k ill warm up my legs LMFAO. i got BEANTEC LMFAO.

whoa if this is really going down I want in.

BEANTEC :bowrofl:
i love it!

3geez race warzz!

3geez race warzz!

Still a buster

Lmfao.

Haha

post the new pic's already...

Happy fathers day.

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Took the motor out an took al the parts off of it. Now tomorrow going to work on the engine bay. I'll post moar tomorrow .

Jerry thanks bro. Same to u. U have kids ?

;) yes sir...

happy father day!

Happy fathers day lol

Hmmm think that turbo's a bit small! lol!
Nice what numbers was you putting down with that setup?

Idk I was well over 200. But it was fun.

The offer is still on the table sir ;)

I know bro.

Updated did alot of degreasing an had to take the brake lines off te mount tabs an move them up in order to place the rear mount. Didn't like that much. But o well. Here he pics of clean engine bay

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Here the rear mount
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U can see where I'm pointing where u have to bend the lines a bit. An here u can see how close he mount is. Lol
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Dam bro ive been following your thread for a while now and always excited to see updates from you. that rear mount is raping that firewall lol. Your thread makes me wanna start my bseries swap already lol:). keep up the good work bro:thumbup:

Thanks man. That's what I'm saying might as well be one piece lol. I could of bashed it in a bit with a BFH. But it's fine.

Man that mount is close. I was thinking it might hit, but I guess it's bolted to the subframe, so it won't move, but the engine will move on it... So, are you the first person who has actually installed these mounts?

Idk. I haven't seen no pics but legends an his pic looks just the same. I might bang it a bit with a BFH . Just to give it some clearance

losen the subframe bolts you may be able to pull the subframe forward to add more clearance.

I'll try that .

Little update. Did some wiring clean some wires up. Extended some an added the obd1 dizzy plugs to the existing harness. So harness is done. Need to add he extension harness an add the cyp wires an icm wire.

i thought you would have ditched the accord efi loom and run a civic one as a standalone lol

Nay. Why fuck with all that . Its simple this way an I Deloomed an took out what is not needed a. Kept what I wanted. I bascily did what legend did

are you done yet? Lmao.. I need ripper vids1!

Not yet. My b18b1 is in Portland. Once I get that I can tear it down an get th bearing specs swap out pistons.

is the trans mount a direct bolt on or do you need to drill holes in the fender walls to bolt it on? Got pics of it mounted?

kwik your pic scares me

No it has to be welded. I have pics in the beginning of the thread

without the motor installed how would you tell where it has to go? Wouldnt the axles need to be placed and the car on level ground with the motor supported level to mark the location?

No. It's pretty straight forward u can see where u can install the bolts,one fits. But I don't trust 10mm bolts lol. Basically u can't put it on wrong unless your a fruit.

i think innovative should of made their own mounts because the place racing mounts were not the best fit.

hasport mounts dont have fail :)

Its good to read a thread about a b series swap thats actually making progress :)

Thanks Arron . U know me I get er done.

I agree with messy. But at the same time they took the mounts an the time to redo em. So atleast we have mounts.

Badass man, good to see another b-swap. Hopefully I can actually get mine running soon. That brake line thing is kinda of a pain in the ass. Looks like those mounts are a little different then the PRI. My rear mount is not that close to the firewall, and my transmission mount bracket lines up with the holes in the side rail perfectly. They still look very similar.

I need to get my tranny I found a y1 for 250 so I'll see if I can get it in a week.

The mount almost lines up but shouldn't be off. Well have to see. Hopefully it be dropped in in a couple months.

Question do I used b16 head studs or gsr. People can't mak up there
Mind on Honda tech lol

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I need to get my tranny I found a y1 for 250 so I'll see if I can get it in a week.

The mount almost lines up but shouldn't be off. Well have to see. Hopefully it be dropped in in a couple months.

Question do I used b16 head studs or gsr. People can't mak up there
Mind on Honda tech lol

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I used Gsr head studs when I did my ls/v with a Gsr head. They are actually all the same, but personal preference wise I would go with the b16 to match the head.

That's what I was thinking. Thanks man. What lsv kit u use?

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That's what I was thinking. Thanks man. What lsv kit u use?

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I used the golden eagle oil sandwich, and a generic turbo line for the oil feed. I also had the head modified to fit a factory head gasket from an LS.

Oright. They have the special dowels now so I should be ok from he reviews I saw.