Springs and Antiroll Bars + What's Available

How springs affect handling balance:

The handling balance of a car is determined by the front to rear roll-stiffness bias of the suspension (along with alignment and tires). Roll stiffness is a function of springs and anti-roll bars. It basically describes how much the suspension resists the tendency of the car’s body to roll when cornering. How this is calculated is complicated and not really important if you are not designing a car from scratch. Whichever end of the car is made to be stiffer in roll will tend to loose traction first. Increasing the roll stiffness of the front will increase the tendency to understeer; increasing the roll stiffness of the rear will reduce understeer/add oversteer. Most cars come from the factory with quite a bit of understeer since it is considered safer. The handling balance can be made more neutral or even switched to oversteer with the addition of a stiffer rear sway bar or stiffer rear springs. Similarly, understeer can be increased by using a larger front anti-roll bar or stiffer front springs. Softening the opposite end has the same effect (softening the front instead of stiffening the rear to reduce understeer), but allows more body roll.


Progressive v. linear springs

A visual inspection can easily identify most progressive springs. The coil spacing will change—several coils will be spaced farther apart from each other than the others. These springs essentially have two spring rates: one when all the coils are active and another much higher rate with the closely spaced coils stack up. This allows a more comfortable ride since the rate is lower over small bumps while maintaining good performance since the close coils stack up as the body rolls when corning, limiting body roll. The disadvantage of progressive springs is that the transition to the higher rate can alter the handling balance depending on braking and throttle inputs since this will affect when the front and rear springs make the transition to the higher rate. A more expensive (less common) way to make progressive springs is to alter the wire diameter of some of the coils. Even if they are spaced the same, the coils with the smaller wire diameter will be softer and give a lower spring rate until they stack up. If the wire diameter is changed slowly over several coils, the coils will not stack at once since each of them has a slightly different stiffness, eliminating the abrupt transition from one rate to the other. Some springs, once supporting the weight of the car, will already have the closely spaced coils stacked. Since the stacked coils are never active in this case, the spring will act like a linear spring since it never transitions back to the softer rate.


Calculating spring rate from physical measurements:

k = (d^4*G)/(8*D^3*Na)
k = spring rate (lb/in or N/m)
d = wire diameter (meters or inches)
G = modulus of rigidity (80.8*10^9 Pa, 11.7*10^6 psi)
D = coil diameter (average inside and outside diameter), (meters or inches)
Na = number of active coils

Note that the spring rate is VERY sensitive to the wire diameter. If you’re unsure of any measurement you’ve taken pick a high estimate and low estimate and find the rate for both. You may be surprised to find how tiny differences in geometry translate into big differences in spring rate.

This equation is useful even if you’re not calculating spring rate since it shows the effect of changes in spring geometry. Increasing wire diameter increases the spring’s rate. Decreasing coil diameter or the number of active coils raises the spring rate.


Cutting stock springs

Cutting stock springs isn’t always bad if done correctly. Cut them with a saw or something similar, not with a torch. Never heat the whole spring to lower the car, this will destroy the heat treatment that keeps springs from sagging. Cut springs will have a higher rate since there are fewer active coils. Removing one or maybe two coils and upgrading the shocks to account for the additional stiffness should be fine. If you intend to drop the car more than 1-1.5” (conservative estimate) you should plan on getting aftermarket springs. Even though cut springs are stiffer, they are also shorter--there is less spring to absorb energy so your suspension is more likely to bottom out. Aftermarket springs make up for their small loss of length with a greater increase in stiffness so they can absorb additional energy before the suspension runs out of travel.



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Anti-roll bars made for the third generation Accord (they’re springs too):

FORMAT
[brand]
F: [bar diameter], [ratio]
R: [bar diameter], [ratio]
The ratio compares a bar’s torsional stiffness to the stock stiffness of the 88-89 fuel injected car’s bars. This ratio is calculated assuming all bars have the same geometry as the stock parts (same lever arm twisting the bar).

Stock 86-87
F: 20.5mm (approx 13/16”), 0.69
R carb: none
R fuel injected: 12mm (approx 15/32"), 0.73
Stock 88-89
F: 22.5mm (approx 7/8"), 1.00
R carb: none
R fuel injected: 13mm (approx 1/2"), 1.00

Addco
F: 7/8”, 0.95
R: 3/4”, 4.61
Rear bar only works with drum brakes

Suspension Techniques
F: 15/16", 1.25
R: 5/8", 2.22


Springs made for the third generation Accord:

FORMAT
[brand] [approximate drop]
F: [front ratio (rate/stock rate)], [front rate];
R: [rear ratio (rate/stock rate)], [rear rate]

Stock 0”
F: 1.0, 211 lb/in; R: 1.0, 117 lb/in

Tokico 1"
F: 1.66, 350 lb/in; R: 1.63, 190 lb/in

Suspension Tech 1"
F: 1.62, 342 lb/in; R: 1.54, 180 lb/in

Eibach sp lines*
F: 1.62, 342 lb/in, R: 0.68, 80 lb/in
Eibach prokits*
F: 1.44, 304 lb/in; R: 0.83, 97 lb/in
*See note below on Eibach spring rates

H&R/Neuspeed 1.5”
F: 1.26, 265 lb/in; R: 1.41, 170 lb/in

Progress Group 2"
F: 1.70, 358, lb/in; R: 2.05, 240 lb/in

B&G 2.2” (only 1.6” advertised)
F: 1.66, 350 lb/in; R: 2.05, 357 lb/in

Suspension Techniques 2"
F: 1.73, 365 lb/in R: 1.96, 229 lb/in

Sprint 2.25"
F: 1.66 350 lb/in; R: 1.92, 225 lb/in

Ground-Control coilovers
Use Eibach brand springs, different spring rates can be ordered
F: 1.66, 350 lb/in; R: 2.14, 250 lb/in

Dropzone/Spring tech coilovers
F: 2.13, 450 lb/in; R: 3.00, 350 lb/in

*These spring rates have been calculated differently than the other manufacturers (I don’t see how this is possible, but that’s what they said apparently) so this comparison may not be accurate.

NOTE: Jim first compiled this list several years ago; listing only springs rates as changes from the stock rates. The higher rates were listed incorrectly. When contacting many of these companies to verify the figures, I have found that many of them are no longer making parts of the 86-89 Accord. The rates listed have been corrected for the known error, but this list should not be taken as the absolute truth.



COILOVERS

Coilovers from these cars are compatible (maybe others).
Accord 86-89
Accord 90-97
Civic 88-91

All coilover sets listed below include springs that are much stiffer than stock. Plan on getting either revalved Bilstiens or Konis to avoid having an underdamped (bouncy/floaty) ride. Known spring rates are listed with the other springs. Unless you require the ability to change the ride height or intend to corner-balance your car coilovers are probably not the best choice for you.

Jim compiled this list a few years ago. When updating the spring rate list I found that many of the options listed are no longer available. The same is probably true for some of the coilovers listed below.
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APC coilover 90-97 accord $179.25 www.nopionline.com
Sleeve & Spring Coil-Over Kit

Arospeed Coilovers 90-97 accord $149.95 free shipping?
www.streetbeatcustoms.com/arcoilhonac9.html
http://www.arospeed.com
1-800-276-7733
1-305-969-9973
[email protected]
part# ARO660014
Arospeed Coiloversare designed to give you the look you want with the performance you desire. Arospeed springs are linear rate and offer up to 4 inches of adjustability. Height is adjusted through use of a threaded sleeve that fits over

Autotech Systems and Accessories
20758 Centre Point Parkway
Santa Clarita, CA 91350
HOURS :: 9:00am to 5:00pm (Monday to Friday)
TEL :: 1-661-250-3000
EMAIL :: [email protected]
TECHNICAL INQUIRIES :: [email protected]

Dropzone coilovers 86-89 accord $107
http://www.dropzonesuspension.com/
1-888-800-0051
[email protected]
http://www.dynamicautodesign.com/coilovers.htm $107
http://www.ketronsales.com/coilovers.html $99

Ground-control 86-89 coilovers drop range 0" to 3" $329
www.nopionline.com
www.ground-control.com
1-530-677-8600
part#4505.01

HP RACING 90-97 accord $139.66 www.nopionline.com
http://www.hpracing.com/
[email protected]
hurrican power inc,
1-800-522-7855
Sleeve and Spring Coil-Over System - Adjusts 0" to 4" Front and Back-Polyurethane Bushings Gen1 Coil-Over Kits: The Gen1 Coil-over kits from HP Racing offer adjustable ride height from 0-4 inches. Each application has it's own spring rate to ensure a good ride and tight suspension to prevent the kits from vibrating and creating road noise. Heat-treated coils prevent springs from settling and corrosion.

MaxSpeed Coilover Accord 90-97 $219.95
http://shop.store.yahoo.com/racinglab/honac90maxco.html

#1 coilover 90-97 accord $136.36 www.nopionline.com
Sleeve & Spring Coil-Over Suspension Kit -Lowers 0" to 3" (fits shock absorber - OE, KYB, Koni and Tokico type)

OBX gravitational coil over 90-97 accord $174
part#HK06
www.massivemotorsports.com/main/allcoilovers.htm
http://www.obxracingsports.com/perfo...=4&subCat2ID=2
OUTBACK PRODUCTS, INC. U.S.A.
Fax: (650) 873-8802
Email us: [email protected]
Designed from extensive circuit race testing. Developed in conjunction with one of the largest OEM suppliers. Ride height adjustable suspension kits keep vehicle weight distribution balance and will improve on HARD cornering and braking,
without having the front suspension taking a nosedive. This kit draws out maximum performance of the car! your stock or aftermarket shocks and a dual locking perch mechanism. The kit includes 4 threaded sleeves, 4 pairs of locking perches, 4 linear rate springs, 4 urethane bushings, and 2 adjuster tools.

RACER DESIGN coilover 90-97 accord $144.44 www.nopionline.com
Sleeve and Spring Coil-Over Suspension Kit -
Front and Rear - Lowers 0"-4" - Set of 4 - TITANIUM

Racing Single Generation 3 Coilover 90-97 accord $159.99 free shipping
http://www.gochargeit.com/enetgroup/....htm?add+CO200

R1 RACING SINGLE COILOVERS 90-97 accord
http://www.showtime-video.com/sincoil.html $229
R1 high performance coilover systems feature progressive rate springs for a comfortable ride, while offering much-improved handling and style...Fully adjustable ride height up to 4-inch drop. Free Shipping and handling.

RACTIVE Adjustable 0"-4" drop. You can get them from planetperformance.com for $185+s/h

Skunk2 coilovers:90-97 accord $299.00 www.nopionline.com
http://www.skunk2.com/start.htm
[email protected]
909-808-9888
Skunk-2 springs are CNC hot rolled using SUP12 alloy spring steel, heat treated, stress relieved, pre-set, phosphate treated, powder coated, and finally printed with the Skunk-2 logo. Hot rolling produces a spring with a consistent grain structure that is extremely resilient and will not deform or change rate. The combination of hot rolling and using only the highest quality alloy wire results in a spring with superior performance and ride characteristics. For increased strength, the dual spring perches are CNC machined from hot forged AL6061-T6. SkunkWorks Coil-Over kits allow you to adjust your ride height anytime you want. They provide more suspension travel and therefore will ride better than a normal lowering spring, even at extremely low settings.

Tenzo Racing Coilover:90-97 accord$230 www.crveverything.com
www.tenzoracingsports.com/
Tenzo-R Coilovers are precision engineered to maximize your suspension performance. Carefully matched spring rates and height adjustability provide exceptional handling, response, control and balance. Increased spring rates combined with the ability to lower the center of gravity helps reduce body roll and
optimize power transfer. Comes complete with everything you need for easy installation. Anti-locking Teflon O-rings assist the wrench tool for easy height adjusting.

TSUDO coilover 90-97 accord $161.82 www.nopionline.com
Sleeve and Spring Coil Over Kit - Lowers from 4.5" to 1" Front and Back - Set

WEAPON-R has an adjustable system for the 3g accord, the price is $325.00.....Springs:
Cold Wound / High Tensile Chrome Silicon Steel / Spring Rate Pre-set / Stress relieved /
Phosphate Treated / Powder Coated.
Adjustment Collar And Nuts:
Cold Forged High Density Aluminum / Stress Relieved / Phosphate Treated /
Polished to High Sheen


If you have updates, other information that you think should be added, or any questions about what is listed here post them below and I'll make changes as required.

I will not do your research for you. You are as capable of contacting the manufacturer as I am if you are curious about a particular product.

Thats a nice write up MIke.

The following is the comparison between a Linear (Left) and Progressive Spring (right)

http://img438.imageshack.us/img438/2...ings5of.th.jpg

click to enlarge

Also here is a good website of a similar writeup. >>> http://www.v-performance.com/pr_susp.html

what about the tech 5s 2.25" drop springs for Honda Accord '86-'89 The Part Number for them is #105 are these for are cars

http://www.stsuspensions.com/index.html

Didn't see this place up there, they have lowering springs and front&rear swaybars listed for 3geez. Also coilovers listed for 88-91 civic.

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Originally Posted by CcordLevel2

http://www.stsuspensions.com/index.html

Didn't see this place up there, they have lowering springs and front&rear swaybars listed for 3geez. Also coilovers listed for 88-91 civic.

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St is just the new name for Suspension Techniques, and they've changed their trademark color from Purple to electric Green. Still great product though. Thanks for providing the link.

how low can you go with out worrying about alignment issues such as camber etc.?

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Originally Posted by gtmst3

how low can you go with out worrying about alignment issues such as camber etc.?

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1.5", any lower will result in alignment issues.

how bad would it be with a 2 inch drop in the front and 1.9 in the rear ?

you will end up having camber issues in the front of the car... like half the people on this site :kekeke: all it really means is your use up tires more quickly

thanks

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Originally Posted by gtmst3

how bad would it be with a 2 inch drop in the front and 1.9 in the rear ?

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I will give it about 3K miles before you wear your front tires to the belt and about 4K on the rear tires.

I suggest even with a 1" drop, get your car properly aligned and to do so, you will need a rear camber kit front and rear.

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Originally Posted by smufguy

I will give it about 3K miles before you wear your front tires to the belt and about 4K on the rear tires.

I suggest even with a 1" drop, get your car properly aligned and to do so, you will need a rear camber kit front and rear.

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i still havent had time to install my prelude arms because i need to get the washers and time to do it....i been driving my coupe for like 7k with out a alignment and the front tires dont even look cambered at all

The Fronts are a little giving and with a 2.25" drop on my old progress, my camber was only -1.7Deg before alignment. But the rears were weird, with a 1.75" (i Believe), my rear camber was more than -2.25deg and the tires wore on the inside in matter of months to the belts and had to order brand new tires and put the rear camber kits on.

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Originally Posted by AZmike

COILOVERS

Coilovers from these cars are compatible (maybe others).
Accord 86-89
Accord 90-97
Civic 88-91

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sorry for n00b question, but does this imply that any coil overs (even cheap adjustable ebay ones) from these years are interchangable?

actually that's all that this implies. The sleeve style coilover setup (more accurately the coilover conversion or sleeve) works, but the full-bodied coilovers (including the shock) will not work as they are entirely different lengths. Welcome to the board. Pull up a chair, stay a while, this is one of the best resources out there for the older honda's, and hands-down the best (if not the only) for the 3G.

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Originally Posted by markmdz89hatch

actually that's all that this implies. The sleeve style coilover setup (more accurately the coilover conversion or sleeve) works, but the full-bodied coilovers (including the shock) will not work as they are entirely different lengths. Welcome to the board. Pull up a chair, stay a while, this is one of the best resources out there for the older honda's, and hands-down the best (if not the only) for the 3G.

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Excellent, thank you!

what about the 1geez? i have a 1980 sedan and i want to get hellaflush. you think i can heat the spring? or should i just cut it.

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Originally Posted by hondalove

what about the 1geez? i have a 1980 sedan and i want to get hellaflush. you think i can heat the spring? or should i just cut it.

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No, absolutely do not heat the springs. By doing this, you change their tensile strength and make them more brittle. You will be far more prone to cracking your springs if you heat them up.

If you have no other choice, yes, a cut spring is far safer than a heated one. Be sure to replace all your shocks with new because the spring rate is increased when you cut the spring as well, so you'll need (at the very least) a new set of shocks to keep the car from bouncing down the road like a rubber ball.

Has any one looked for some of this stuff lately. I checked on them and a few arent even offered anymore. Some please do a current writeou so the nubies can see what is really out there. Trying to do a mild build on my little blue 88 sedan and what I wamted to go with isnt even there anymore.

ive got the 85 accord 3 door mine weighs around 2350 pounds with me in it... ive got moog springs on it right now but what i really want are springs with a slightly higher spring rate and 1/2 to 3/4 inch lower ride height... springs like that would give me right around 1 degree of negative camber without messing up the SAI there should be somewhere where that makes them or will make springs to customer specs if anybody can help me out that'd be great thanks

if you lower your car and it makes the camber excessively negative you can bring it back into spec by elongating the bolt holes for the upper strut mounts and moving them outwards... but you really need to know what your doing and have access to an alignment machine to check your work as you go

You can't do that on a 3rd gen, you'd have to slot the holes for the upper control arms instead.

i cant find any tie bars or camshafts for a 88 a20a3 anyone help?????

Stock spring rates front 279 rear are 170 listed on Moogs site for a 1988 LXi

MOOG-CC248 Front Variable Rate Coil Springs - Pair Made By MOOG

MOOG-CC221 Rear Variable Rate Coil Springs - Pair Made By MOOG

All sorts of springs on ebay. Summit Racing has anti sway bars. I just bought a kit 2 days ago from them with oversized bars. Comes with all of the mounting hardware too.

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Originally Posted by markmdz89hatch

actually that's all that this implies. The sleeve style coilover setup (more accurately the coilover conversion or sleeve) works, but the full-bodied coilovers (including the shock) will not work as they are entirely different lengths. Welcome to the board. Pull up a chair, stay a while, this is one of the best resources out there for the older honda's, and hands-down the best (if not the only) for the 3G.

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Theyre different lengths but do they bolt up?

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Originally Posted by markmdz89hatch

No, absolutely do not heat the springs. By doing this, you change their tensile strength and make them more brittle. You will be far more prone to cracking your springs if you heat them up.

If you have no other choice, yes, a cut spring is far safer than a heated one. Be sure to replace all your shocks with new because the spring rate is increased when you cut the spring as well, so you'll need (at the very least) a new set of shocks to keep the car from bouncing down the road like a rubber ball.

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Listen to mark, springs are made from spring steel after heating the metal up near 400F it will change structure into mild steel

This is an old thread but I was hoping I could get some help. I'm replacing my stock struts and springs with KYB excel-g struts and H&R sport springs that lower the car "1.5-2.0 inches on average" It sounds like this will cause camber issues that alignment can't fix, is this true? Also would extended top hats be a good idea, or will the stiffer springs compensate?

Since posting this I've read extended top hats won't fit a stock strut properly and required a coil-over type springs like ground controls or ksports. If this is true I guess I won't be needing them, huh? Any help appreciated, thanks

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Originally Posted by Matt's3rdGen

This is an old thread but I was hoping I could get some help. I'm replacing my stock struts and springs with KYB excel-g struts and H&R sport springs that lower the car "1.5-2.0 inches on average" It sounds like this will cause camber issues that alignment can't fix, is this true? Also would extended top hats be a good idea, or will the stiffer springs compensate?

Since posting this I've read extended top hats won't fit a stock strut properly and required a coil-over type springs like ground controls or ksports. If this is true I guess I won't be needing them, huh? Any help appreciated, thanks

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http://www.cheddasauto.com/

I asked MOOG what their spring rates are on those variable springs:

"No problem! Here are those spring rates:
CC221- 170 Rear Variable Rate Coil Springs - Pair. MOOG MOOG-CC221
CC248- 279 Front Variable Rate Coil Springs - Pair. MOOG MOOG-CC248

I also included the links back to those springs, they will come in a pair. Let me know if you need anything else or would like to place an order, we'll be happy to help! Have a great weekend."

So fronts (CC248) are 279 and rears (CC221) are 170, hope this info helps

EDIT Nevermind I didn't realize the spring rate info was in the original post about the MOOG springs, I didn't see it on their website so I went ahead and asked them. It must not show all of the product details on the mobile version of the website

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Originally Posted by Fixedit

I asked MOOG what their spring rates are on those variable springs:

"No problem! Here are those spring rates:
CC221- 170 Rear Variable Rate Coil Springs - Pair. MOOG MOOG-CC221
CC248- 279 Front Variable Rate Coil Springs - Pair. MOOG MOOG-CC248

I also included the links back to those springs, they will come in a pair. Let me know if you need anything else or would like to place an order, we'll be happy to help! Have a great weekend."

So fronts (CC248) are 279 and rears (CC221) are 170, hope this info helps

EDIT Nevermind I didn't realize the spring rate info was in the original post about the MOOG springs, I didn't see it on their website so I went ahead and asked them. It must not show all of the product details on the mobile version of the website

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with this being said most springs available for the fronts are linear, with limited few being actually progressive. The rears typically are usually all progressive.

I have used the Moog springs in the past with my Bilstien steup.

CC246 compared to the CC248 have different installed spring heights 11" vs 9" with max load raitings of 484 lbs and 1100lbs respectfully. this changes things a bit, however I have used the CC 247's
as far as the rear CC221 they are raited at a 387lbs load raiting at the 170 lb/in with a 11" installed height.

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Originally Posted by AZmike

Anti-roll bars made for the third generation Accord:

FORMAT
[brand]
F: [bar diameter], [ratio]
R: [bar diameter], [ratio]
The ratio compares a barÂ’s torsional stiffness to the stock stiffness of the 88-89 fuel injected carÂ’s bars. This ratio is calculated assuming all bars have the same geometry as the stock parts (same lever arm twisting the bar).

Stock 86-87
F: 20.5mm (approx 13/16”), 0.69
R carb: none
R fuel injected: 12mm (approx 15/32"), 0.73
Stock 88-89
F: 22.5mm (approx 7/8"), 1.00
R carb: none
R fuel injected: 13mm (approx 1/2"), 1.00

If you have updates, other information that you think should be added, or any questions about what is listed here post them below and I'll make changes as required.

I will not do your research for you. You are as capable of contacting the manufacturer as I am if you are curious about a particular product.

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Just a quick correction. Carbed Hatchback might have rear sway bar. In fact, all my 4 hatchback S(canadian) I had, all had rear swaybar.
My 86 that I still have, do have rear sway bar also.
Not upgraded by anyone before. Came stock like this

Hey all i’m a noob here just bumping for tokico blue and eibach pro kit part #s and suggestions on whether you think the blues could handle the neuspeed drop springs. Having a little trouble finding the right threads any help would be appreciated!

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Originally Posted by doctorhickson

Hey all i’m a noob here just bumping for tokico blue and eibach pro kit part #s and suggestions on whether you think the blues could handle the neuspeed drop springs. Having a little trouble finding the right threads any help would be appreciated!

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Im not sure but I dont think the Tokico have been available for a very longtime. That list was compiled along time ago and I would guess most of it is only available on Ebay or such places.

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Originally Posted by doctorhickson

Hey all i’m a noob here just bumping for tokico blue and eibach pro kit part #s and suggestions on whether you think the blues could handle the neuspeed drop springs. Having a little trouble finding the right threads any help would be appreciated!

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Dampers (a.k.a. shocks) + What's Available

post #87 I updated with what we think is available. The first 4 pages of that link is just old news.

Kyb excel-gs are handling my drop really well. I'm lowered close to 3" maybe. I have skunk2 crx front springs and cut rear springs to match

Excel gs are like updated gr2s is that right? Also did you mean cut rear stock springs or cut crx?

The stock springs are cut. Crx springs were too short and too light. Had them on coilover sleeves and half of the progressive spring collapsed, despite riding only on the hard ass portion of the spring it rode ok thanks to the shocks... You felt those potholes though.

I'm not sure if the excel gs succeeded the gr2s, I don't think you can buy gr2s anyway.

i need help bought cb7 coilovers and they are 2 inches too long and wont go any lower the civic [88-91] only have 2 bolts on the top hat and the 88 accord has 3. how do i make this work or can i?:mad:

What do you mean 2 inches too long? Have you dropped the car on these coils? Nobody said they were a direct fit, but you can use them.
For the civic coils you can either redrill or change the top hats, but beware, the rear springs may not be heavy enough for an accord.

when compared to the stock ones the coils are too long and would lift my car. i now see that it says they are too long in the forums but i need to figure out how to get the desired drop of 2 inches and i have no idea how to get there. i see a lot of posts about drop springs and wouldn't mind doing that but idk how to do that what shocks do i need and what works with the car. i was looking at dropzone lowering springs but i don't want to bottom out the shock. so if you have more advice i would appreciate it. I'm a CB7 expert but not on these bad boys.

I really like my crx front lowering springs, but afik there isnt really a solution for the rear, I just cut mine and it actually handles great. Ksport and yellowspeed racing still sell coils.
for the cb coils you might be able to install aftermarket coilover springs to get more drop, you can get them from eibach and the likes.

my main concern is blowing out the shock absorbers. if i use these [ [url]http://www.slickcar.com/details/1680-coilovers.asp ] will i blow them out. on parts geek [
https://www.partsgeek.com/catalog/1988/honda/accord/suspension/shock_absorber.html ] they have the stock shocks for the front and rear but again we come to the issues of travel would lowering it 2 inches cause the shock absorbers to blow out?

Dont use coilover sleeves, they dont work well. Get on rockauto and buy some kyb excel g's. Mine are doing fine lowered.

ok so the website parts geek is selling those shock absorbers so what lowering springs should i go with

Not sure for the rear, but a progressive set of civic/crx springs for the front will work nicely. What are you going for? Honestly, the rear springs are perfectly fine to cut and you can get replacements. If you want something better go with one of the available coilovers from ysr or ksport

I'm going for a 2 inch static drop. im not sure about cutting anything I'm not that advanced and i don't have the tools for cutting.

go buy an angle grinder from harbor freight, you can get an alright one for $30.

Hey, I'm so lost trying to replace my front suspension on my 1985 Accord 2nd-gen Hatchback

Can ANYONE help me at all? Like I've been reading this forum and searching on the web for the past week trying to figure it out.
I don't need it to be high performance for racing or anything - I just need my suspension to be replaced so the next pothole doesn't smash up my front end!!

Can anyone help or guide me to the right parts?

You got 5 different post in 4 forums....

I started a thread in the 2nd gen section of your own.

There is just not much out there for 2nd gen Hondas. Hang tight and be patient.