B18C, B16A, or B20A, whice one??

**myaccord7** · 02-15-2003, 01:01 PM

ive been reading some of the engine swap post and i dont know which one is easier, cheaper, and more power? which one does placeracing.com make mounts for? which one has more hp? and whice one isnt to hard? thanks

zach

**netfreak** · 02-15-2003, 06:47 PM

The B20A is probably the easiest to install, but finding one and parts for a rebuild is somewhat difficult. The B18C is harder mainly because of OBD I (or II) and it also requires a hefty bank loan to purchase. The B16A is easier to install (still requires the mounts like B18C) because it is pre OBD, and can be found very cheap. The overall easy route is the B16A.. I personally wouldn't try the B20A because I don't have the knowledge to rebuilt it (since most of them out there are a bit beat up).

**Jims 86LXI HB** · 02-15-2003, 07:13 PM

B16a (sir1) 160hp@7600RPM/111lb-ft@7000
B18c1 170hp@7600RPM/128lb-ft@6200
B18c5, forget it way to expensive
B20a (no # after a) 160hp@????140lb-ft?

B16a (sir1) easy to find $1150 buy you
Motor
Transmission
Engine Wiring Harness
All required Cables
ECU
Distributor
Complete Intake Manifold
Alternator
A/C
Power Steering Pump
All Brackets and Sensors

B18c1 easy to find $2700 buys same parts as above.
B18c5 is $4200 btw

**myaccord7** · 02-15-2003, 08:03 PM

thanks

zach

**netfreak** · 02-15-2003, 10:36 PM

http://www.osakajdmmotors.com/honda/b16a1/index.html

There is the site with the B16A package for $1050

**Kevin** · 02-16-2003, 07:24 PM

ok, i have an 87 accord hatch!! I need to know exactly what i need to put an B18c5-the integra type r moter!!! The moter iam buying comes with complete engine, tranny, and ecu!!! Which axles, and shift linkage do i need to to buy??? I know i need to moter mounts!! Are they currently available still??? Any information that would help make this swap successful would be great!!!

**Kevin** · 02-19-2003, 09:27 PM

Y doesnt any one answer me?? Doesnt anyone know???

**netfreak** · 02-19-2003, 09:55 PM

You need the mounts, axles, and wiring stuff from place racing. Just buy everything they sell for the 3g accord and you should be OK.

**Grant2k** · 02-20-2003, 08:10 AM

or use the search button. this has all been discussed before somewhere.

**‹^› ‹(•¿•)› ‹^›** · 02-20-2003, 02:02 PM

Your best bet is either a B16 or B20.. stay away from the B18C... It's a very expensive swap! And the wiring is a problem!

**bobafett** · 02-20-2003, 02:07 PM

damn... didnt know you could get hat much b16 stuff for 1100~

how much does all the Place Racing stuff cost? if i could get the swap done for less than 2500 TOTALLY DONE it might be a fun alternative, since then the modding possibilties are endless. then again b16 head on a20 would be sweet. damn... decisions decions...

hehe

**quagmire** · 02-20-2003, 02:59 PM

How would wiring a B18C be any so much more difficult than wiring a B16?

**Grant2k** · 02-20-2003, 03:10 PM

a B18 is OBD II i believe.

**‹^› ‹(•¿•)› ‹^›** · 02-20-2003, 03:49 PM

Originally posted by Grant2k
a B18 is OBD II i believe.

Yes exaclty!! Grant knows!! He is smart Lad!! Our cars are pre OBD the B18c's are OBDII..So the first Gen B16 is a perfect swap!! cheap also!! If you wanna go the non-vtec route go for a B20 ( JDM Accord ) .. Stay away from the B18 Unless u are planning a real B18 swap! Not a hybrid..

**OldSchoolSwap** · 02-21-2003, 06:14 AM

Here are all the parts you will need for a B series swap. http://www.moonscryer.org/placeracing.pdf

The easiest swap and less expensive swap (excluding the B20) is the first gen B16 NOTE: First Gen B16 NOT 2nd gen as this would be a newer not compatible for our application unless moded.

Anyway, the first gen is practically a "slap on and go"! Minor mods must be done to the ecu's pins but not complicated.

The B18 series however seem to be a mission! After you purchase the B18, you will have to get rid of the trany because it will not be compatible with our setup, B18's come with a Hydro tranny as apposed to the first gen B16 cable tranny.

Second, the B18's Distributor will not be compatible either, it will be OBD1 or OBD2. Our cars are preOBD A.K.A. OBD0. You will need to get a first gen B16 distributor.

Third, the 4 wire OBD1 O2 sensor is also not compatible with the swap. You will need a first gen B16 one wire O2 sensor (pre OBD).

And the list goes on..... the wire harness i have no idea due to the B18's diffrent manifold and sensors.

However, i think there's hope. Not to sure but i think place racing can make a harness that will convert our harness to work with an OBD1 GSR motor, but i'm not to sure. If this is true, then this would mean that all the upgrades that i've mentioned (except the tranny) won't be necessary. You'll be able to keep the stock Dist, O2 and manifold.

Anyhow, i'm just glad i did the B16 instead of being the guinie pig on this one

If you need help on the B16 swap or have any other questions, i'll be glad to help.

**Jims 86LXI HB** · 02-21-2003, 08:30 AM

Originally posted by OldSchoolSwap

The B18 series however seem to be a mission! After you purchase the B18, you will have to get rid of the trany because it will not be compatible with our setup, B18's come with a Hydro tranny as apposed to the first gen B16 cable tranny.

Huh? Last time I read the placeracing posts, they made a hydro tranny to cable tranny conversion system? Do they no longer offer that part?

**OldSchoolSwap** · 02-21-2003, 10:11 AM

Originally posted by Jims 86LXI HB
Huh? Last time I read the placeracing posts, they made a hydro tranny to cable tranny conversion system? Do they no longer offer that part?

I was not aware of this. I am not sure about that. How come they don't have it listed on the flyer? I guess its a new product unless its all fake rumors.

**smufguy** · 03-01-2003, 07:49 AM

Jim here is what i pulled form Yasu's website

Motor Specs:
1958cc (2.0L) DOHC 16V Non-vtec
Bore and stroke: 81mm X 95mm
Compression: 9.4:1
Power output: 160HP@6300RPM
Torque output: 137ft-lbs@5000RPM
Manual tranny gear ratios:
1st- 3.166
2nd- 1.857
3rd- 1.259
4th- 0.967
5th- 0.794
R- 4.066

5spd Manual For the 3g manual tranny

1 3.181
2 1.842
3 1.250
4 0.937
5 0.771 -
Reverse 3.000
Final Drive 4.066

I think yasu got the final drive and Reverse ratios for his B20 switched.

**Swan** · 03-14-2003, 02:07 PM

What has happened to placeracing??? I went to the website several times in the past 4 months, and its STILL under construction, and the only thing you can do is click on their email....

**‹^› ‹(•¿•)› ‹^›** · 03-14-2003, 02:10 PM

Originally posted by Swan
What has happened to placeracing??? I went to the website several times in the past 4 months, and its STILL under construction, and the only thing you can do is click on their email....

Or call them!

**Swan** · 03-14-2003, 02:11 PM

oh wait....i forgot what I was asking that for... umm, where else can I get the motor mounts, and wiring harness, etc., that placeracing has?

**‹^› ‹(•¿•)› ‹^›** · 03-14-2003, 02:41 PM

Motor Mounts & Axles can be bought elsewhere! As for Wiring Harness!! You either have to call them or hope you have a good mech to make u one!

**OldSchoolSwap** · 03-14-2003, 03:34 PM

Originally posted by Swan
oh wait....i forgot what I was asking that for... umm, where else can I get the motor mounts, and wiring harness, etc., that placeracing has?

I will be able to get the mounts and anything from place racing soon, at cheaper prices.
I will make anouncements once i get my grounds together.
Untill then, keep doing your research and questions

**Shifty** · 03-18-2003, 01:45 AM

sorry to sound stupid but whats OBD stand for ?

**‹^› ‹(•¿•)› ‹^›** · 03-18-2003, 03:09 AM

Originally posted by Shifty
sorry to sound stupid but whats OBD stand for ?

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