PROJECT , TURBO ( mykwikcoupe )

[thegreatdane]

I can say I live in one of the worst climate for cars on the planet....

Yea and I live in one of them too... I'm almost afraid to drive the car lol

[A20A1]

well my current turbo for my setup is a 42/48 50 trim. Kinda small but should be ok for street use. Im looking for a little help in the trubo selection equation for my application. Id like to see it in numbers rather than just "sure, itll work great" you know. Id like a larger turbo that spools as low as possible. I was thinking the gt28rs but Im not 100% sure. Price is a consideration but overall happiness is job 1 here right now. so heres what ive got

Im going to running 550 injectors
obd1 with uberdata
5 spped tranny with a quaife lsd unit
probably the stock a20a intake with some major porting and such done
Im not planning on revving past 7-8k ever so id like it spool lower and pull tough to where I stop it
Id love the car to run full ionterior low 11s but if not its cool it need to run at least a 12.50

Id like to be in the 300-350 range, the turbo needs to fit a standard t3 flange, Ill run whatever exhaustsize needed 2.5 or 3 inch, the engine will be biult pretty tough, resleeved, oringed,aftermarket pistons, rods, stud girdle, arp bolts wherever applicable, Im going to have a buch of headwork done, oversized valves stronger springs, maybe a regrind cams, basically i want to find the good setup and biuld accordingly. Im a little anal most of the time so it needs to make me happy. Ive redone this project 3 times now because im not totally satisfied. Wifeys getting pretty upset and says this is oing to be the last time. Lets make it a good one

Someone posted this a while back.
https://www.3geez.com/showthread.php?t=45340

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[mykwikcoupe]

Ok so ive got in my hot little hands. a new in box presision t3/t4OE 60/63 with 54 trim, the precision 25x6x3.5 intercooler, all the origainl stuff the manifold and all that jazz. Ive got the uberdata obd1 stuff comming from a fellow member so i need a 92-93 teg dizzy, 550cc injectors and a lsd unit for the b20a. Everything is at the powdercoaters now getting the freshening treatment. Picks hopefully soon. cant wait to tune it on the dyno. I better run some damn good numbers real soon or its back to the thunderbird to me.

Anyway havent really spent much time on here mostly working 12 hour days for about a year and doing the family thing. I found out today Ive got some decent sized physical issues to deal with so i took the rest of the year off from work to see if it helps me out any.

Other than that itll give me alot of time to get thinkgs done around the house. Mike

[b8er]

yup, im definatly jealous

[AccordEpicenter]

do it right and thats 12 sec material all day long

[bobafett]

beauty of a turbo. i have a garret t3/t04e 57 trim .63/.60 its a biggun. i think im going to run a potato on the accord though. muahahah

good luck with the project man, its about time the west coast gets some more boosted 3g action.

[AccordEpicenter]

sell me your hybrid, then

[bobafett]

$400 shipped ($400 + shipping for non 3geez people). i paid $415 shipped, and did nothing but look at it lustfully all the time.

its a brand new turbo, just like what cheapturbo.com sells for $620
http://store.yahoo.com/cheapturbo/gat357trw63a.html

t3/t04e, t3 flange, 4 bolt discharge, no internal gate.

its ready to roll if you do actually want to buy it. and i can get u pics of course.

[AccordEpicenter]

dood that is actually a really nice turbo and a good deal too. At this point, i have a T04E 60 trim compressor housing and backplate, all i need is a compressor wheel and i can go T3/T4 using my T3 60/63... im either gonna do that or go with somthing like you have...

[bobafett]

cool, well its just hanging out in my garage at the moment, im not in a rush to get rid of it or anything. if you (or anyone else who reads this) want it, your more than welcome...

[gfrg88]

kind of off topic and n00b turbo question, where can i find all this 60/63, trim, etc, info for different types of turbos at??

thanx guys and good luck on the build

[mykwikcoupe]

homemadeturbo.com Its a huge site just start reading about 2 years from now youll be as afluent as the rest ofus turbo dudes

[gfrg88]

yeah i go there every now and then, i guess i just have to keep reading more then....

[AccordEpicenter]

yeah i love HMT. I joined there a few weeks after they started

[mykwikcoupe]

well today and tesreday I made pretty good progress. Got the sei interior out of the wrecked car and the top half installed in the new coupe. The bottom half is in the garage until I finish because Im going to run some wires and such.

I got the 5 speed swap in cab work done. I bough a 3rd kit just in case and opted to pull it off the wrecked car anyways. Man its tough to get things out of a twisted mangled metal slop. The pedals are in the engine and trans is just about ready to be pulled.

Ive taken all the vacuuum crap and thrown it on top of the a20a3 hopefully never to be used again. The location on the passenger side will be perfect for the msd 6al

otherwise Im hoping to have the b20a tranny apart next week getting the act clutch stuff in and a lsd unit. Im pretty disappointed that act doesnt offer a race sprung clutch. Ive got the street disk with extreme pressure plate and with the larger turbo and all Im thinking I should upgrade. My current clutch is rated for 300 ft lbs and if I went with a 4 or 6 puck id be rated 400 ft lbs. Im planning on making something in the 350+ hp range so im sure the 3000 torque will be close. Only saving grace will be the lag and all that torque wont be on till the cars moving.

getting pretty exited again for the prject and its a one way street now. no going back. Ill try really hard to get pics but usually when I working I just keep going till im out of light or its done then its not the best time for pics. you know. Id like to get at least 1 AOM win sometime

[mykwikcoupe]

so I got the engine just about ready to pull. I get all the fluids out. everything else disconected, the entire exhaust dropped for ease of reinstall of new engine and low and behold what holds me up. Those damn axle hubs. Driver side came off pretty easy. Brole 4 1/2 ratchets on the passenger side. I got pissed and went to sears to exchange my busted ratchets for more cheap chinese tools and bought the IR 2135 impact gun. Rated 600 ft lbs with 1000 max. Im like yeah that should do it. 300 bucks later and its still on t here. So tomorrow when Im there getting more cheap chinese ratchets ill be getting a 1 1/4 3/4 drive socket and a slide bar. If that breaks im swapping the whole passenger side hub for the one off the wrecked car. Anyway engine should be out tomorrow. Ill keep anyone informed.

I called act clutch today and Im pretty unimpressed that I cannot get a race puck thats sprung which means I can either buy a different braand sprung puck and hope it works or go with an unsprung puck. This car will be a street car and Im not looking to make it any more difficult to drive.

[thegreatdane]

You've got real nice plans for that engine! What pistons and rods will you be using? And which LSD do you have?

Unless your brakes doesnt work you should be able to get that sucker loose with a long breaker bar and a good quality strong socket. It's not unusual that they are so stuck that even a very strong impact gun doesnt break them loose.

And get some pics of something, anything!

[carotman]

That happened to me once. The only way I could get that bolt out was with a dremel...

I basicaly grinded a fine line on the nut and cracked it open. Took me about 30 mins but it was only for the best.

[mykwikcoupe]

yeah today i went out and got a 18 in 3/4 drive slidebar and a 1 1/4 12 point socket (I wanted the 6 point but didnt have it). Im going to try that and if that dont work Im gonna be a really unhappy camper.

Ill try to get pics Im hoping i remember and all. Ill probably lay it all out on the garage floor and snap a few. Ive gots tons-o-parts and all. Anyway hoping this thing comes off today. Mike

[Deadhead]

wow... looks like someone has some money to burn...

but definately an awesome project. It's gonna be really fast, if you can hook up that is lol! You and accordepicenter both

How much boost do you plan on running into that B20? What compression ratio are you going to be running?

[adams86lxi]

but definately an awesome project. It's gonna be really fast, if you can hook up that is lol! You and accordepicenter both

shit you have no idea how much a lack of traction sucks. I was going threw 2 tires a week. YES 2 FUCKING TIRES A WEEK. When my accord was running.

And no i wasnt going around doing burnouts or anything. I would simply street race it on the weekends and i couldnt hook up worth a shit too the point i was destroying tires constantly.

[Accordtheory]

I got pissed and went to sears to exchange my busted ratchets for more cheap chinese tools and bought the IR 2135 impact gun. Rated 600 ft lbs with 1000 max. Im like yeah that should do it. 300 bucks later and its still on t here.
I called act clutch today and Im pretty unimpressed that I cannot get a race puck thats sprung which means I can either buy a different braand sprung puck and hope it works or go with an unsprung puck. This car will be a street car and Im not looking to make it any more difficult to drive.

That gun is the titanium one, right? That's the same one I have, and I have never encountered a bolt I couldn't take off with that thing. You're having trouble taking off the nuts on the ends of the axles? Put the gun on the axles, pull the trigger, and watch your air compressor output pressure at the regulator drop to shit. Then adjust your regulator so your hose has 90-100 psi under load and watch the gun tear the shit out of the axle nut like it's nothing. (your wheel is still on, right?)

I talked to several different clutch manufacturers, and attempted to start a thread on H-T about sprung vs unsprung. What the manufacturers said was that the sprung hub reduces harmonics, vibration, whatever from getting into the tranny. They said the unsprung disc would "hum". Upon acceleration, the difference is negligible though, because supposedly the springs bottom out. That also supposedly happens when you are letting out the clutch. They did Not specify exactly how much torque it takes to do that, though. So the sprung hub does not help "driveability". And it is also harder on the synchros by just adding to the mass that they have to slow upon shifts. I have the action 2ms, and that sprung disk is damn heavy. I kinda wish I had gone with the 2md. (integra b series shit)

[mykwikcoupe]

yeah its the titanium one. Ive been looking at it for quite some time. Ive got a 80 gal craftsman 125 psi oilfree compressor. It was a ouse warming gift from the dad in law. I had it on fulll output and nothing. Ill try putting the gun under load and set it that way.

I did get the damn bolt off. It took a 3/4 slide bar that I bent about 20 degrees and me bouncing up and down on a 4 foot bar. I had a friend hold the brakes since the car is off the ground. Im glad its off and ive got the tools to do just about anything now.

yeah if youve ever driven a car with an unsprung clutch even if you just easy it out at idle hows it engage and all? I dont want the sudden jerk every time I start on the street but want it to hold up to the 3500 rpm drops off the drag line

[Hash_man_Se_i]

Sounds like a wicked car in the making, be sure to post up pics.

[img]yeah if youve ever driven a car with an unsprung clutch even if you just easy it out at idle hows it engage and all? I dont want the sudden jerk every time I start on the street but want it to hold up to the 3500 rpm drops off the drag line[/img]

My friend has an unsprung clutch in his BMW, and its really hard to engage without it being really jerky, I really don't know about engaging at idle, but once you get the hang of it its not bad at all.

[Accordtheory]

yeah its the titanium one. Ive been looking at it for quite some time. Ive got a 80 gal craftsman 125 psi oilfree compressor. It was a ouse warming gift from the dad in law. I had it on fulll output and nothing. Ill try putting the gun under load and set it that way.
I did get the damn bolt off. It took a 3/4 slide bar that I bent about 20 degrees and me bouncing up and down on a 4 foot bar. I had a friend hold the brakes since the car is off the ground. Im glad its off and ive got the tools to do just about anything now.
yeah if youve ever driven a car with an unsprung clutch even if you just easy it out at idle hows it engage and all? I dont want the sudden jerk every time I start on the street but want it to hold up to the 3500 rpm drops off the drag line

You had the regulator at Full output and nothing? When I bought my titanium impact gun, I was like wtf..? when I tried to pull off a crank pulley/harmonic dampener bolt and it couldn't do it. So then I rolled the compressor over by me, and watched the output pressure drop to like 60-70 psi when I tried to do it. I then turned the regulator up until I had about 90-100 under load, and the bolt came off with just a couple bumps of the trigger. Another thing I've noticed is that gun has to break itself in. (and you should oil it through the air inlet port too) I know that sounds weird about the break in, but I seriously believe it. I can easily take an axle nut off now without even bothering to pry up the hammered flat part of the nut. Having the wheel on the car also makes it easier, more mass for the impact to fight against.

About the clutch, basically all I was saying is that the compound of the disc has a lot more to do with the how hard it is to engage smoothly than if it's sprung. It makes sense if you think about it, just compare how many revolutions the clutch slips as you pull away from a stop vs how many degrees of rotation the springs can absorb. Make sense? The springs just dampen vibration from getting into the tranny under cruising, maybe soft acceleration. But I doubt that really extends tranny life overall, honda trannies usually wear out synchros before anything else, right? And a heavy sprung disk is harder on the synchros..

I would say that the reason people think an unsprung clutch is harder to drive is that by the time you're getting into unsprung disks, they're already using a race type compound. I think my clutch is going to suck for street driving, but I'm not enough of a baller to get a twin disk..supposedly it has a better compound that what act uses, at least. I have read a lot about act disks chewing up flywheels and pressure plates, the action clutch is supposedly easier on them, and easier to drive too. We'll see..