Adjustable struts.... could it be possible?

[carotman]

Well, come pampanies like Koni or KYB already make struts for our cars. I mean it's not like they have to design a full pair of struts..

I was wondering if anyone tried to special order adjustable struts, like the KYB AGX or the Koni red...


If there is enough interest, I guess it would be possible to get some..

[Jims 86LXI HB]

The Koni's we have are red's and their adjustable. But not double adjustable, they only adjust for rebound.

What we don't have are the Koni yellows or KYB AGX struts. Yes they know the demensions to use. But they'd have to do R&D work for the correct settings for those different struts. As a example, I'm in contact with Koni regarding their developement work for the 350Z, those will take about 6 month's worth of R&D to finish. And they'd have to be able to do a certain number of them to justify a production run. Add to that the fact that they'd want the built in demand where their'd be a need to do yet another production run, future demand for more in other words. Sad thing is I just don't see us being able to buy enough to even justify the start up and first run of either strut. And soooo many owners get sticker shock at the cost of the Koni's, budget's are pretty tight for the typical owner. I'd sure love to see AGX struts, even though they top out at around 400lbs spring rates, being able to use double adjustable shortened performance struts that cost less than the Koni reds do, would be a blessing for most 3g owners.

I know exactly that your talking about, but the numbers just aren't their for the manufactures. Best bet is the current koni's, which can be revalved, even converted to double adjustability or even shortened by Koni. And of course the Bilsteins can be revalved stiffer as well.

[carotman]

Yeah I already know about the Koni reds... but I guesses that they could just adapt let's say the 4g Accord settings to make a Koni Yellow for our car...

You're telling me that the Koni red can be converted to double adjustability?? that would be nice.. I'm just sick of those Tokicos.

Oh, and I was amolt sarcastic on my 2enough interest" line. I know we'd be like 2 or 3 to get them.

[Justin86]

That would be sweet. I understand where you are going. Take some struts that are the closest fit and mod them a little to be perfect.

[CARBurn]

Hey, I don't really mind price as long as the product is good. I had konis before and plan on getting some more soon. The price was up there, but when I put them on my car I felt like their price is justified.

How much are Koni Yellows for 4th gen accords by the way? I would try them if they could be modded a bit to fit our cars.

[mykwikcoupe]

what is the doubl adjustbility? Rebound fo thefirmness or the ride? Whats the other setting?

[AZmike]

Rebound is how much the damper slows down the extension of the wheel (spring) that happens after hitting a bump or on the inside wheels during a turn. The other adjustment is compression. Compression damping slows the compression of the wheel if hits a bump or the outside wheeels in a turn.

I would say that compression damping contributes most to a harsh ride since it keeps the suspension from reacting as much. However, if the compression damping is to low compared to the rebound damping, a series of bumps can fully compress the suspension since the rebound damping prevented it from fully extending before the next bump compressed it further. So even though rebound damping doesn't make the ride seem stiff, a big increase in rebound damping will require some increase in compression damping to keep that from happening.

[Jims 86LXI HB]

I can tell you that the 4th gen strut idea has been put to bed,....forever. Flat out not possible. Their to long, even in shortened sport form.

[mykwikcoupe]

now jim you made a post a couple of days ago saying that the koni could be shortened, revalved and they could even add an adjuster on the outside all for a price for about 600. Isnt this what you are talking about.

[Jims 86LXI HB]

Originally posted by mykwikcoupe
now jim you made a post a couple of days ago saying that the koni could be shortened, revalved and they could even add an adjuster on the outside all for a price for about 600. Isnt this what you are talking about.

No I wasn't talking about modifying 4th gen koni yellow's. I was talking about how you can get modified 3rd gen Koni red's, known as Koni specials to us. The Bilstien's that I have mentioned as well before cannot be shortned or made adjustable, just revalved.

[wprocomp]

I ordered some tokicos..anybody have these? I sure somebody does

[Jims 86LXI HB]

Please tell me your not lowered and don't plan on it.

Originally posted by carotman
I have tokico in the front,,, they actually are the same as the koni......NOT They SUCK, they're pure crap on a lowered car. they would be ok on stock springs but that's all....

Do not get Tokicos in the front...

Keep in mind carotman is on one the softest lowering springs made for the 3g every other 3g lowering product is stiffer and his comments would be multiplied worse.

[88LXi68]

I had tokicos with Ground Controls and it was the WORST! I upgraded to front Konis like 2 months later. The ride became MUCH MORE CONTROLLED and SAFER. The rear tokicos held up ok, but now I have upgraded to rear konis. Although, I havent driven the car yet

[wprocomp]

so I should seriously reorder and get some KYB struts? I am sitting on 1" suspension tech springs already,shit

[88LXi68]

Originally posted by wprocomp
so I should seriously reorder and get some KYB struts? I am sitting on 1" suspension tech springs already,shit

Definitely do not do the KYBs. If you are running only a 1" drop I would stick with those Tokicos. They will be better than the KYB and OEM.

[BITESIZE]

Yeah, I dropped my beast 1.5 inches with tokicos all round, it rides better than my stock suspension.

[Justin86]

Well I would get some Koni's but all of my money is goinig into getting the engine running right. I'm about ready to put in a new engine.

[Jims 86LXI HB]

Originally posted by BITESIZE
Yeah, I dropped my beast 1.5 inches with tokicos all round, it rides better than my stock suspension.

Your springs are 62% stiffer in the front than the stock springs and your running struts that are only about 10% stiffer at best. That's a 50% gap. If that equals better than stock, I'd hate to know how worn your stock suspension was. Think the tokico's are wonderfull, get Koni's and you'll find you've been accepting things that would get a honda suspension designer fired. BTW, your sportlines actually have rear spring rates WEAKER than stock, so you have more understeer now, I highly recommend that you purchase a seperate rear suspension techniques rear sway bar to compensate for that. Your rear rate is 32% SOFTER than stock, not good.

[Jims 86LXI HB]

Originally posted by BITESIZE
Yeah, I dropped my beast 1.5 inches with tokicos all round, it rides better than my stock suspension.

Your springs are 62% stiffer in the front than the stock springs and your running struts that are only about 10% stiffer at best. That's a 50% gap. If that equals better than stock, I'd hate to know how worn your stock suspension was. Think the tokico's are wonderfull, get Koni's and you'll find you've been accepting things that would get a honda suspension designer fired. Weak sturts that let the springs do things their not supposed to do offer inferior ride quality and inferior performance. BTW, your sportlines actually have rear spring rates WEAKER than stock, so you have more understeer now, I highly recommend that you purchase a seperate rear suspension techniques rear sway bar to compensate for that. Your rear rate is 32% SOFTER than stock, not good.