B20a Swap Complete

[CARBurn]

Originally posted by b20aTURBO
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fine thought i was being helpful and was going to get some better feedback but i guess not i researched and did this swap on my own without anyones help since it was unheard of doing anything to a 3rd gen accord but like that guy said about cartoman that hes figuring it out then go off on your own...and yes its hard to explaine on the internet thats why i was thinking of making a guide but wait.....maybe i should be like openloop because you all are competition and the turboing is going fine just molded an a pillar guage holder to the car and getting a custom downpipe made and i should be up and running soon and by the way im selling a b20a motor w/a 5spd tranny since i bought another b20a motor to do the turbo

First of all, I wasn't trying to bad mouth you, I was just stating what everyone else who has posted on this topic was wondering, why all the secrets, and what do you have to offer, point blank. Now you say you have done this swap before, it would be nice if you could offer some help to some of us that are thinking of doing the same thing. I thought this forum was to help other people doing upgrades and maintenance on their vehicles, so if you offer to help fine, if you don't want to help then say so.
I am trying to learn as much about this swap as possible and if I have to go off on my own and do this because some people want to keep it to them selves, I'll have no problem doing it, I learn things as I do it anyway. But I'll be sure to post a nice how to on doing the swap, so others can at least be able to do the same swap if they wanted to.

And to Openloop, I completely understand you not wanting to unveil your secrets cuz then you would be out of business. But it would have been nice if you put some sort of disclaimer under the pics to lets us all know you would be able to divulge certain information about the swap.

[RobT5580]

B20ATurbo, when i spoke to you awhile back you were the same way you didnt want to share info which is understandable since you did do a lot of homework. It seems you have come around to help others but the B20A is not as hidden as before now their is and handfull of running ones out there. The only problem i have with the B20A is lack of OEM parts available which is what drew me away from it before. I will be doing a swap and i wont rule out a B20 yet but im leaning towards a different swap such as a B18 GSR because of parts and research on the other b-series. Im glad you kept your car and didnt sell it hope to see it soon.

[b20aTURBO]

:D
ahhhhhhhhh so its ok for openloop to hide what there doing and not share info because that will put them out of buisness you guys make so sense at all
way to kiss there ass and justify them keeping there secrets its not a big seceret carburn just do some research and you will find out they way i did

[b20aTURBO]

Originally posted by CARBurn


First of all, I wasn't trying to bad mouth you, I was just stating what everyone else who has posted on this topic was wondering, why all the secrets, and what do you have to offer, point blank. Now you say you have done this swap before, it would be nice if you could offer some help to some of us that are thinking of doing the same thing. I thought this forum was to help other people doing upgrades and maintenance on their vehicles, so if you offer to help fine, if you don't want to help then say so.
I am trying to learn as much about this swap as possible and if I have to go off on my own and do this because some people want to keep it to them selves, I'll have no problem doing it, I learn things as I do it anyway. But I'll be sure to post a nice how to on doing the swap, so others can at least be able to do the same swap if they wanted to.

And to Openloop, I completely understand you not wanting to unveil your secrets cuz then you would be out of business. But it would have been nice if you put some sort of disclaimer under the pics to lets us all know you would be able to divulge certain information about the swap.

:wtf:

GUESS THEY HAVE A SPECIAL LICENSE NOT TO DIVULGE INFO ABOUT SWAPS BUT FOR US COMMON FOLK WE DONT HAVE THE RIGHT WERE JERKS FOR NOT "GIVING UP THAT INFO" WHAT DO I HAVE TO OFFER POINT BLANK NOT ANYTHING ANYMORE BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE IM NOT RESPECTED FOR WHAT IVE DONE AND YOU DONT CARE ABOUT ANYTHING BUT JUST GETTING THE INFO I GUESS IF SOME PEOPLE SHOWED SOME RESPECT HERE INSTEAD OF GIMMIE GIMMIE GIMMIE PEOPLE WOULD SHARE THIS INFO

[YK86]

When I e-mailed a bunch of known people with the B20 that was working, AccordEXI was the only guy who really took the time to help me out. You said it was too much details when it comes to the ignition and I left it at that. I have nothing against you and I understand why you would reply like that too because I also got a ton of e-mails before the how to went up on the board on how to do a 5 speed swap and I spent 20 minutes or so typing up all the details and most people didn't even say thank you which can be very discouraging. Anyways, none of us are saying "gimme gimme gimme". If you can help out great, if not, that's fine to (everyone has reasons). You offered help on your first post because no one else was sharing and we would love to hear anything you have to offer.

[Jims 86LXI HB]

Ohhh KAY, are we done with the bad mouthing:confused: Bitching about mike and then telling someone to do their own research has got to be the most hypocritical thing I've ever seen on this board.

Mike, don't be surprised if I show up at openloop in the next few days:D Well maybe that is:rolleyes: Can't be to commital ya know;)

[YK86]

Oh, I am still very interested in how the install is coming along. I know Mike went through alot of trouble getting the downpipe and stuff extended to fit the B20 and all the fittings right and it was sad to see him sell it after all that work but I would love to see that thing run on your car.

[GreenMachine]

Anybody know if the b20 bolts right in or do ya need different mounts also will the wire harness out of a efi be the same !
not being greedy , just curiuos !
That install looks sweet :eek:

[Justanothermike]

Jim was correct on his earlier assumption. Gordon(the owner of the Hatch) didn't even know i posted the swap pictures on the board and then it started getting out of hand with Mr B20aTurbo shooting off with out knowing anything. The fact is that this is not even my car and i deffinately have now right to even talk about it on this board. I had gordon take a look at the thread and he was cool about letting the some of the basics of this CIA operation out.
After all like he stated we're here to help everyone as much as possible and all that other stuff.

Wut you need to do the swap: Integra left axle(i think it was the second gen one) to go with the intermediate shaft( we don't recommend trying to use the accord axle because obviously the B20 was ment to run with a intermidiate shaft, using the accord axle with cuase torque steer), Integra(1st gen) distributor if u wanna run the stock ecu, custom rear mount, and a modified Lxi A pipe(down pipe). Running the LXi pipe with not be the best thing either as the two pipes from the B20 A pipe are actually biger then the Lxi pipes. We made a DC header from a 88-89 prelude fit the. basically u gotta cut out a section of it and then weld it back together.




back to the politics for a minute, of course there are gonna be somethings thati will not be able to share with you guys, but of course i try to be as open as possible. I had one other guy on some message board ask to come take a look at our H22 accord so he could show someone else that would do the swap for him. In my mind i was like "F**K the hell off" After all when u don't have business you can pay the bills and thats not cool. Our project cars are examples of our work, which would show our customers what we are capable of and that is what we want to do with our cars. Happy swapping!:)

[damackz]

nice hehe so we finally get some info :) thank u mike! although i am not really into the b20 its nice to know that it can be done without having to attempt to break down the cia codes :D hehe and I personally like to thank Yasu for all the hard work on his page cuz he really got me into the whole 3rd gen thing and i wouldnt have found the eazyboard page without it. :pimp:

[Jims 86LXI HB]

Jim was correct on his earlier assumption.

Glad to see what made sense to me, wasn't just guessing.

[HondaSi88]

awhile back Mike u "Pm" me and told me that u guys might be selling everything as a combo or something! Is this still true? and if so what price
thanks again!!! and where did u find the engine at? of course everyone is having a hard time just finding the engine!

[gr3k0sLaV]

I dont believe this form should be about secrecy and that its suppsoed to be about fellow accord owners helping eachother not keeping childish secrets...

Ok here's my example. here in australia i'd be hard pressed this f far south to find anyone within my state who would know much about a b20a swap and the fact that there are practically no done up or modded 3rd gens around here, makes it hard for me to get info or find someone to do the swap...leaving it up to me to get it done myself and get the information in order to get someone to do it for me or help me with it.

So i'd take whatever I could, funny how the FAQS just say you need the ECU, motor mount and motor...but now I read u need another axle, custom mounts and all this stuf..

I wish someone could just give some clear and correct answers.

From the faq it makes it sound like it's all bolt on, and no mention of integra axles, or distributor.

[b20aTURBO]

mike is correct about the dist you must use this dist you run the stock harness and the stock ecu...as for the intermediate shaft that is correct too and you can use the integ axels but the stock accord axelss you can use as well they work fine i have them in my car now...as for custom mounts the only reason to use custom mounts is for the rear tranny mount which the 3rd gen rear tranny mount doesnt work so that is why maybe they had to use a custom mount...the only way around this is to get the JDM rear mount that way everything bolts up.....the motor bollts right up you can use your stock harness,stock ecu , and stock axels just make sure you get that intermediate shaft....you will find alot of parts will work on this motor from your a20a...as for the dc header that is correct as well i had to cut the flange off where it meets with the downpipe and redo the piping to go under the ooil pan the prelude header hits the oil pan its not to hard to do any any muffler shop can do it for cheap. The big problem i see with doing this swap was the spark getting spark for the motor was a big prob that people were having but the best thing you can do is try to switch the JDM parts to USDM that way replacement will be easy example the integ distrib. I also installed AEM cam gears....when looking for parts i learned to to tell the honda dealer or parts stores that its a JDM motor becuase right away there like oh umm we dont have anything for that but thats un true because alot of parts work with this motor its more like honda took an a20a motor a b20 prelude motor and a b18 and put them alll together to make the motor thats the basis that i can give on this the parts are out there it just takes a little research

[gr3k0sLaV]

Originally posted by b20aTURBO
mike is correct about the dist you must use this dist you run the stock harness and the stock ecu...as for the intermediate shaft that is correct too and you can use the integ axels but the stock accord axelss you can use as well they work fine i have them in my car now...as for custom mounts the only reason to use custom mounts is for the rear tranny mount which the 3rd gen rear tranny mount doesnt work so that is why maybe they had to use a custom mount...the only way around this is to get the JDM rear mount that way everything bolts up.....the motor bollts right up you can use your stock harness,stock ecu , and stock axels just make sure you get that intermediate shaft....you will find alot of parts will work on this motor from your a20a...as for the dc header that is correct as well i had to cut the flange off where it meets with the downpipe and redo the piping to go under the ooil pan the prelude header hits the oil pan its not to hard to do any any muffler shop can do it for cheap. The big problem i see with doing this swap was the spark getting spark for the motor was a big prob that people were having but the best thing you can do is try to switch the JDM parts to USDM that way replacement will be easy example the integ distrib. I also installed AEM cam gears....when looking for parts i learned to to tell the honda dealer or parts stores that its a JDM motor becuase right away there like oh umm we dont have anything for that but thats un true because alot of parts work with this motor its more like honda took an a20a motor a b20 prelude motor and a b18 and put them alll together to make the motor thats the basis that i can give on this the parts are out there it just takes a little research

Thankyou, what exactly is an intermediate shaft? ive never heard of it before.....

Also what happens with all your sensors, vacuum lines and all that? the vacum control box and everything? does it go or stay?

[b20aTURBO]

the intermediate shaft is behind the motor its where the axels connect to...as for the vacume box that statys all the vaume lines connect to the motor....there are 2 diff yr b20a motors as well just like 86-87 accord motors and 88-89 accord motors diff vacume on each the newer has less vacume on the motor...you can tell the diff by the valve cover the older series is the gold vavle cover that everyone has seen the newer has a black valve cover

[Justanothermike]

our engine supplier has a like 6 B20s or something like that but only 2 with manual tranies. If we can somehow get the trannies we could sell them. I know for sure that gordon wants to keep one more for himself to play with, but the last one i don't think we need. Our options where to sell it as a complete swap with everything needed to do the swap and bolt right in. U know, with the custom mount, axles and distrubutor, or maybe a rig for a different ecu. Its an option we have that i have to discuss with gordon, so i'll get back to you guys.

Also one other thing i wanted to mention about the B20 installation was how good the over all balance of the car was afterwards. The steering with the power steering hoooked up got pretty easy and cornering got much better. no more PLOW! I have good reason to believe that this engine could be a good 100lbs or more lighter then the cast iron A20.

honda took an a20a motor a b20 prelude motor and a b18 and put them alll together

I would say that he B20 prelude, A20, and B18 evolved from the accord B20. Believe it or not but this engine is freaking OLD.

[YK86]

Thanks alot for sharing your info guys. It's like we're flooded with info on this swap all of a sudden.

[Jerren]

they can't profit off of us who aren't any where near cali. so why not offer the info to us.

and b20aturbo:
it would be greatly appreciated if you did write up some type of tutorial about the swap.

[TeKKnoTeKK]

Is he Accord B20a DOHC? I was just wondering if you would be able to put a VTEC head on it.

[CARBurn]

I can definitely understand Yasu's comment about people be ungrateful about the information given to them. I try not to be, If someone helps me out with something I try to do the same in return but at least say thanks for the help.

All I have to say is thanks B20aturbo and Mike for passing along some knowledge on this swap. I know I appreciate it, and it takes a little more of the headache and hassle of trying to swap that motor.

Mike, I'm definitely interested in that spare B20a motor, let me know when you and openloop decide what you are going to do. Again thanks.

B20aturbo you live in NYC? You think I could drop by and see your setup?

[AccordEXI]

I have done the JDM B20A swap as well and one thing I do not see being mentioned is the fact that the front mount is different as well. You can get away with using the A20 front mount but if you want the engine sitting 100% correctly get the JDM mount. Check out he attached pic: 86 BT front mount left, JDM B20A front mount right.

[toastyghost]

HAEY hOW mcuh are costing TEH B20A

[89sei]

Hey you guys,

I haven't checked this site for a long while. And when I did, It looked (at first) like nothing but haters and bashers..and the sad thing is it was 3gers bashing themselves. But - I'm glad that the dust is settled. 'Cause there's no room for bashing and hating.

Your moderator Yasu had to step in a few times and settle the dust. Didn't look good though that he had to to that.

Good job to Yasu and the other moderators for keeping the site running...anybody know how much shit he reads everyday? He has to put up with my drunkenness too :)

Good job to you all for keeping up the rides, replies, and posts. I take second looks still when I see a 3rd gen on the street.

B20Aturbo, Justanothermike, AccordEXi, Carot, Rob etc - thanks for all the information - what you guys are doing is all good - joining all the info together to get the low down.

That was the problem doing the swap way back then for me...only B20Aturbo and I had the motors - totally guessing game with the swap. Hey - nobody has all the answers - right?

Keep the movement alive (sound slike a commercial)!

Mike (I had the B20 with turbo)

http://www.geocities.com/mikelee000/index.html

[carotman]

Thanks for the info, all I need now is a B20A that has the correct idle controls to match my ECU :)