5-lug conversion

[FrankGSR]

Anyone done this one? Will parts from a later generation accord work in this case? I will check around to see what I can come up with.

[NXRacer]

they wont. If there was such a thing available or the newer accord hubs bolted on (easily) we'd be able to do the F and H motor swaps which we cant. Unless i'm overlooking something, i think this is a no can do.

If you DO find something that will work, let us know, that would be a really good thing for us turbo guys. (or those planning on turbo).

[da6integra]

It shouldnt be too hard.. My friend has a type r swap on his da.. w/ gm itr wheels.. Had to have rear trailing arms pressed... fro that just get a brak upgrade.. alot cheper than a whole swap..BTW.. If you swap to a 5 lug... the springs,shocks and misc. parts must go with it.. If not its not worth it
HTH
Angel

[2old_honda]

You could have the hubs redrilled. But its not really worth the effort. You wont need 5 lugs if you go turbo, there are plenty of people that have 4x100's and huge slicks. They arent twisting the wheels off the lugs or anything. lol

[NXRacer]

i've heard a lot of poeple with tegs and civics breaking studs with 4 lug hubs. they upgrade to ITR hubs and it solves the problem.

[markmdz89hatch]

Jonny-O, a member here is running 400+ hp on his A20 with stock axles, and stock, 4x100 lug hubs. He's (at least to my knowledge) never had any wheel stud problems.

Yasu, a mod here has switched over to a 4x113 (4+ Gen pattern). If I remember correctly, he had a hub custom made for him at a machine shop. Don't think it was very expensive either. PM him for more details on that one. I know it's not the same lug pattern you were going for, but he might def. be able to give you some info on making the conversion.

[RobT5580]

Originally posted by NXRacer
they wont. If there was such a thing available or the newer accord hubs bolted on (easily) we'd be able to do the F and H motor swaps which we cant. Unless i'm overlooking something, i think this is a no can do.

If you DO find something that will work, let us know, that would be a really good thing for us turbo guys. (or those planning on turbo).

That really dont have much to being able to swap these motors in. They are just a pain because of their mount location and the fact that you have to run a hydrolic tranny so that conversion is probably the hardest part. Your axles will most likely have to be custom made no matter what so you can get you the accord cv end if need be.

The only reason i would like to do a 5 lug conversion is rim selection. Most 3 piece rims only come in 5 lug if your lucky enough to find them in 17's.

[FrankGSR]

I wonder what would happen if you swapped say a b18c1, or c5 into the Accord. How much effort it would take to put ITR full suspension onto it. It's been along time since I've looked under neath a 3rd gen. Wonder how much customizing would have to be done.. I have access to tools and when I get another 3rd gen I really want to look into this project fully.

[markmdz89hatch]

Frank,

We've actually got a number of members that have done the b18 swaps already. Just off the top of my head, wikkedaccord has a B18C1, Steve (88lxi68) has a built B18 LS/VTEC swap, and Mike (‹^› ‹(•¿•)› ‹^›) has a B18C5 (OBD0) swap. All still have cable tranny.

That motor, with a good aftermarket suspension (but made for the 3G) will make that car a real force to be recconned with. As long as the correct components are used, I don't think there would be a major advantage to moving to an ITR suspension trick.

[FrankGSR]

well, I'm just talking about 5lug in general. I know that ITR suspension for those that want to move to 5lug is pretty popular amongst the integra and civic crowd.

5lug has more of its advantages in say.. autocrossing.

[Bones]

Y'all think it would be possible to redrill the stuck hub to 5x100?

Personally I dont care much for aftermarket (ricey, expensive) wheels but other than mini cooper wheels there aint many factory stock wheels larger than 15" with a 4x100 bolt pattern. I'm not all that worried about staying with honda brand either.

What I'd like to achieve with a mod like this is an inexpensive, readily available, and sturdy wheel option in a 16" or 17" size. Stock aluminum wheels from a junkyard fit all these catagories .... but generally dont fit a 4x100 hub.

I can get 4 wheels and a spare with tires already mounted and balanced from the yards for about the same cost as 1 ricey wheel with no tire. And if one gets curb rash when giving the kid parking lessons, I can go get another one the following weekend without worrying if they been discontinued or something. Nobody would be likely to car jack my ride for 'em either.

[MessyHonda]

the only thing i have heard is that the rear suspension from the 1st gen legend fits our cars with mods. and they are 4-114....i think 15 inch wheels are a good choice for our cars..since 17s you can bend the rim,,,13,14s are too small...for my taste...so 15 or 16s inch rims are the best performance for our cars. plus tires are cheaper

[HondaBoy]

i remember when i first got my 3gee i thought about doing a lug conversion to about 4x113 or the 5x100 from other honda's, but i found replacing studs will be much easier than doing this conversion. they are cheap and fairly easy to replace. i've taken off and put on wheels on my cars so many times, retorqued each time. this has been over 5 years or so. never broke a stud. i believe this to be because of the "star pattern" method i've used to replace the lug nuts in. you could machine the hubs and get things to fit and all ,but personally IMO, its a waste of money unless you just have money comming in from racing or something like that. although now that i think about it you must be talking about your 3rd gen integra? i know a few, only a few, people that did convert to 5x100. wasnt as easy as it sounds, but wasnt as hard as doing it to an accord of the 3rd gen.

[Ichiban]

I don't think the car would ever have enough weight and power to break studs on the 4 lug hubs, unless you are doing something wrong, like undertorquing the nuts.

[Bones]

None of my studs are broken and I already have a full set +2 of the stock LXi aluminum wheels.

What I want to get outa this kinda mod is a source of inexpensive, sturdy aluminum wheels in a 16" or 17" size. In other words, a way to be able to bolt up a stock 16" or 17" factory aluminum wheel from some other kinda car.

For an example:
99 and up Audi TT - uses 16" 5x100 bolt pattern wheels
96 and up Cadillac Catera - uses 16" 5x100 bolt pattern wheels
82 and up Chevy Cavalier (including z24) - uses 5x100 wheels
and so on, and so on ...

Most factory stock aluminum 4x100 wheels (probably at least 90%), for ANY brand of car, are 14" or smaller. On the other hand, most factory stock 5x100 wheels seem to be 15" or larger.

[Ichiban]

In the 2geez FAQ section I posted up 2 charts outlining the wheel bearing application interchange, and dimensions from BCA bearings. Maybe you could find a 5 lug hub with the same ID of the 3g wheel bearing and press it in. Or possibly get the hubs and turn them to size on a lathe and then press it in. You will need the right spline for the CV shaft as well.

[AZmike]

Why do you want to spend money and effort so you can use heavier wheels that will require more expensive tires?

[MessyHonda]

Why do you want to spend money and effort so you can use heavier wheels that will require more expensive tires?

fat fives FTW

[Bones]

Why do you want to spend money and effort so you can use heavier wheels that will require more expensive tires?

For probably the same reason you took off the stock springs and put on H&R Springs bro. Custom appearance. The stock LXi wheels just dont cut it for me.

If all wanted to do with my 3g was use it for basic transpo like 99% of the people that own one, I wouldn't be here lookin at ways to fix, modify, and improve my 3g. Doesn't everyone here wanna feel that they drive something special?

If I wanted to spend the time, money, and effort to restore a car to showroom specs, I'd start with something worth a bit more, like a muscle car, or early classic, or a rare import. Since I dont have a muscle car, early classic, or rare import, I'll just have to customize the car that I do have.

It's not really a performance car, and would cost too much for me to turn it into one, so I dont think heavier wheels are much of a drawback, so I'm checkin options to make a nice looking cruizer out of it.

[LiTtLe xOx BitT]

For probably the same reason you took off the stock springs and put on H&R Springs bro. Custom appearance. The stock LXi wheels just dont cut it for me.
If all wanted to do with my 3g was use it for basic transpo like 99% of the people that own one, I wouldn't be here lookin at ways to fix, modify, and improve my 3g. Doesn't everyone here wanna feel that they drive something special?
If I wanted to spend the time, money, and effort to restore a car to showroom specs, I'd start with something worth a bit more, like a muscle car, or early classic, or a rare import. Since I dont have a muscle car, early classic, or rare import, I'll just have to customize the car that I do have.
It's not really a performance car, and would cost too much for me to turn it into one, so I dont think heavier wheels are much of a drawback, so I'm checkin options to make a nice looking cruizer out of it.

Theres really no reason to convert to 5-lug, almost any rims you want that are 5-lug you can get in 4-lug.

[MessyHonda]

Theres really no reason to convert to 5-lug, almost any rims you want that are 5-lug you can get in 4-lug.

this kid speaks of wise words... if it anit broken dont fix it.

[MessyHonda]

ask urself the same question bud

i said if it anit broke dont fix it...that means..why spend a shitload of money when you can spend it on something else like performance...4 lug, 5 lugs makes no diff you will still get to the same place no mater what...plus they have lots of wheels that are 4 luged...5 lugs is mostly for RWD cars.

[2oodoor]

None of my studs are broken and I already have a full set +2 of the stock LXi aluminum wheels.
What I want to get outa this kinda mod is a source of inexpensive, sturdy aluminum wheels in a 16" or 17" size. In other words, a way to be able to bolt up a stock 16" or 17" factory aluminum wheel from some other kinda car.
For an example:
99 and up Audi TT - uses 16" 5x100 bolt pattern wheels
96 and up Cadillac Catera - uses 16" 5x100 bolt pattern wheels
82 and up Chevy Cavalier (including z24) - uses 5x100 wheels
and so on, and so on ...
Most factory stock aluminum 4x100 wheels (probably at least 90%), for ANY brand of car, are 14" or smaller. On the other hand, most factory stock 5x100 wheels seem to be 15" or larger.

Yep, you have a good point there, but since you can get aftermarket wheels for under 200 bucks, and you may even luck up on some at the scrap yard.. it may be best to spare the trouble of all that drilling. Interesting though

I have a problem maybe somebody can assist with, my 95 Civic EX project car had 15 inch alloys that I put on my 94 Civic DX (actually got them for the 86 DX accord) and the steelie 13 inch wheels off the 94 DX wont fit the 95 EX because the brakes are bigger. What kind of steel wheel can I put on the 95 EX ? I am not sure but I think those may have come with alloys only from the factory, but I have to have steel whees for it. anybody?

[shepherd79]

even if you get hubs redrilled to 5x100, you still have to worry about offset for the wheels to fit without rubbing.

[Legend_master]

Yep, you have a good point there, but since you can get aftermarket wheels for under 200 bucks, and you may even luck up on some at the scrap yard.. it may be best to spare the trouble of all that drilling. Interesting though
I have a problem maybe somebody can assist with, my 95 Civic EX project car had 15 inch alloys that I put on my 94 Civic DX (actually got them for the 86 DX accord) and the steelie 13 inch wheels off the 94 DX wont fit the 95 EX because the brakes are bigger. What kind of steel wheel can I put on the 95 EX ? I am not sure but I think those may have come with alloys only from the factory, but I have to have steel whees for it. anybody?

any 14" 4x100 honda(and a few other manufacturers) wheels will fit on the civic EX hub.