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**k-roy** · 10-10-2003, 01:47 PM

Yea the ztec originally was a 2 litre, the new one is a 2.3.

**PortugalFocus** · 10-10-2003, 02:22 PM

Originally posted by kroy
Yea the ztec originally was a 2 litre, the new one is a 2.3.

ZETEC not ZTEC, Ford is not out to take the VTEC name. The Focus does offer a Zetec motor with 130hp/135tq. The all new PZEV motor is 2.3 with 145hp/150tq.

Now to compare the civic and the focus.....

SOHC VTEC - 127hp
FORD ZETEC - 130hp

Not a big dif so it's neck and neck.......

Let's do some 1/4 mile times done by autoweek...

Focus ZX3 Hatch runs the 1/4 mile at 16.9 that's in Autoweek
Civic EX 2 Door runs the 1/4 mile at 17.47 that's in Autoweek too

OK so you wanna talk Civic Si? ok we can do that

Look at MotorTrend Magazine for example:
Honda Civic Si
Ford Focus SVT
MazdazSpeed Protoge
Dodge Neon SRT-4

To make a 4 page story short, Focus SVT won in handling, test course time, and Skidpad G's....... they only prized it didnt take home was the 1/4 mile time, they turbocharged Neon took that home.

OK so let's talk Type R... Yeah yeah yeah Honda has Type R..... Integra/RSX Type R and Civic Type R. impressive numbers no doubt. But still again America get shafted by not getting a great car here in the US. But if we want to take a look at Type R let's take a peek at Focus RS. 2.0 Turbo that makes gobs of power and can def give i-VTEC motors a day in hell. I shall not even dip into Cosworth Focus/Escort which makes SVT look like a child.

I would like to point out that I do not in anyway hate Honda or am a Honda basher. I like Honda very much and my first 2 cars were Hondas and 89 Accord sedan and a 92 Civic sedan with a B18C1 (and yes I do know what that is). it was fun but after I wrecked it I wanted to start with something new, everyone and their mother has a Civic, I wanted something different... is that wrong.

I enjoy this board very much and the people on it have contributed time and effort to it. I would also like to contribute my thoughts to it too. Don't get mad at me for posting my opinion.

-Nelson

**k-roy** · 10-10-2003, 02:36 PM

Nice comparison,
One thing though
SOHC VTEC - 127hp
DOHC FORD ZETEC - 130hp larger engine.

I read that article as well.Too bad Honda does not bring their best stuff to America. Its also nice that most Cosworths do not come here either.

Nice to see you failed to compare the ZETEC the F20C.

**PortugalFocus** · 10-10-2003, 03:01 PM

Originally posted by kroy
Nice comparison,
One thing though
SOHC VTEC - 127hp
DOHC FORD ZETEC - 130hp larger engine.

Nice to see you failed to compare the ZETEC the F20C.

the SOHC Focus still puts more torque to the ground 125/tq, opposed to the Civic's 110/tq ......

That's base model against base model..... LX vs DX even the LX Focus would give the EX a good fight.

Why even compare the F20? it's in a completely different market and price range? If you wanna do that the low 30k range, go see how much oyu can get a Mustnag Cobra for? 35k as opposed to the S2000's 33k...... no doubt about it.....

S2000 a great car no doubt, 150/tq to the Cobra's 390/tq..... that's a laugh.......

just a side note... there are Focus --> Mustang 302 conversion kit

I stil have to see a Civic --> F20 conversion kit.....

Sorry Focus wins again.....

We are just beating a dead horse though

**k-roy** · 10-10-2003, 04:41 PM

Yes we are beating a dead horse. A dead 'stang perhaps?
How about comparing the Civic Si to the focus, it has 160 hp, is the same displacement. and its the midgrade compared to the new type R.

You can get a more than just a Cobra for 35k, how about the Supercharged SVT Cobra for 35k. My old neighbor has one, he can hit 100 in about the time it takes me to get into third.
I want to see that Focus 5.0 kit. The S2000 motor swap in a Civic Si is not too difficult, I have seen one in a RSX at a show.

Btw I am not trying to diss on Ford, its just that the 4cyl is not their bread and butter. The WRC Focus is pretty badass, that is the Cosworth. It does very well proving that all wheel drive is not nessasary in rally. That is also a rare engine. But Ford's bread and butter is the V8, I built up one hell of a 460 last year. It smoked my ass, and its in a 5,800lb car.

**k-roy** · 10-10-2003, 05:05 PM

Yes we are beating a dead horse. A dead 'stang perhaps?
How about comparing the Civic Si to the focus, it has 160 hp, is the same displacement. and its the midgrade compared to the new type R.

You can get a Supercharged SVT Cobra for 35k. My old neighbor has one, he can hit 100 in about the time it takes me to get into third.
I want to see that Focus 5. kit. The S2000 motor swap in a Civic Si is not too difficult, I have seen one in a RSX at a show.

Btw I am not trying to diss on Ford, its just that the 4cyl is not their bread and butter. The WRC Focus is pretty badass, that is the Cosworth. It does very well proving that all wheel drive is not nessasary in rally. That is also a rare engine. But Ford's bread and butter is the V8, I built up one hell of a 460 last year. It smoked my ass, and its in a 5,800lb car.

**zchb9** · 10-10-2003, 08:35 PM

got a new carburator cause it died within a week. i have bad luck with cars. i bought a 90 galant timing belt broke and well i sold it back to them with the lemon clause or whatever its called cause it wasn't even 2 days later. and my 300zx the rack n pinion went out and was 1500$ to fix. hope u all have better luck.

**deadlight** · 10-10-2003, 09:50 PM

Very true Kroy, 4 cyl. are not the strong point of Detroit automakers, I feel that's the reason the import scene has not only risen to the levels that it is at today, but is also the reason Detroit fell so far (although I must say they're improving greatly)
The problem is that Detroit is trying to beat Japan at their own game, If Ford/Chrysler/GM would just build better V-8 RWD cars, i.e. 25+ mpg, handling on par with many Hondas, at a low price. They would own the market, they never would have lost it in the first place. They have the technology, and it's becoming more widely used in their cars, but they waited too long.

**k-roy** · 10-11-2003, 02:13 AM

I agree. Chrysler has come a long way with their Neons, the original ones sucked, but not as bad as K cars. Ford has a hit with the Focus, much better than the Escort it replaced. Gm still blows on the lower end though, it seems they elvolve at the rate of a snail. The factory performance from Detroit with 4cylinders usually involves a turbo, witch is nice, but it hides the fact that the engines are not as well tuned as they should be. Also they tune them for the low end rpm , not the top. The aftermarket availability of parts on American 4cyl cars still leaves lots to be desired. There are plenty of parts available, just not enough competition to bring prices down to compete with the Japanese.

I have a Tale of Two cities to tell.
The first is Dayton, Ohio. A big GM town that has been on a 20 year downturn when it comes to the economy and job rate. Its sad to see, I have family there. I know a few people that work with the UAW (united auto workers) union, and they get paid crap.

The second is Columbus, Ohio. A big Honda town that has been on a 20 year boom in the economy. The plant is an hour north, but most of the supplies come from there. Honda supports 110 Ohio componies with over 13,000 employees, and has pumped in more than 40 Billion (thats with a B) dollars into the local economy. I know several people that work directly for, or indirectly for Honda and they all make a decent living.

**PortugalFocus** · 10-11-2003, 07:10 AM

Originally posted by kroy
Yes we are beating a dead horse. A dead 'stang perhaps?
How about comparing the Civic Si to the focus, it has 160 hp, is the same displacement. and its the midgrade compared to the new type R.

I want to see that Focus 5. kit. The S2000 motor swap in a Civic Si is not too difficult, I have seen one in a RSX at a show.

here is th focus 5.0 swap

http://www.cardomain.com/member_page...=321109&page=3

this is just one Focus that has the swap... I'm looking for the site that sells the whole kit.

And I'd say the S2000 to Civic swap is much more than not too difficult...

**Bloodlust** · 10-11-2003, 07:25 AM

First thing I did when I got home was vaccumed it out, washed it and took some pictures. But the first mod that i did was put my system into it. The same one that I ripped out of my buick before I sold it. Actually at one point I had my buick and my honda. Im surprised I never took a picture....

**PortugalFocus** · 10-11-2003, 07:29 AM

here si the official Focus V8 Conversion site

http://www.ford-v8-focus.com/index.html

**MilTownSHO** · 10-13-2003, 03:02 PM

It needed a muffler so I put a glasspack on instead, little mini-ricer in the making!:lol

**Blue Impact** · 10-14-2003, 12:12 PM

RECLINE THE SEAT SO I'M COMFORTABLE SITTING IN IT!!

**erics86dx** · 10-15-2003, 08:50 AM

new tires and rims
cleaned it
new back speakers
tune up
new window
k&n filter
got new pioneer deck
new battery
new alternator
got the deck stolen
minor accident
repaired it