Who makes valve springs?

[Johnny O]

I need a set of valve springs for my car?Who makes them for our cars?A20A3.Need to rev car higher and not have valve float.The higher you rev car the more power you can make with a turbo.If you could give name of company and phone# will be much helpful.
THANK YOU

[Eric89Carb.]

it will be hard to find but i think i can help a little. well if you look in side where the valveare one side has dual spring the one inside you can use on the other side with little custom i think i did it to mine and i have a mild cam and it works fine.. So you will have to find i think 8 more inner springs or you can buy it honda dealer it is cheap i hope that will help

[shepherd79]

I need a set of valve springs for my car?Who makes them for our cars?A20A3.Need to rev car higher and not have valve float.The higher you rev car the more power you can make with a turbo.If you could give name of company and phone# will be much helpful.
THANK YOU

oh it is not nessasery to rev it high to get power.
it is all about what kind cam and what kind turbo you have.
i don't see a reason to rev it past 6.5K on our engines. you can get the cam that will push it past that but what is the point. you can get a cam that will as much as high reving cam at low RPM.

[88LXi68]

oh it is not nessasery to rev it high to get power.
it is all about what kind cam and what kind turbo you have.
i don't see a reason to rev it past 6.5K on our engines. you can get the cam that will push it past that but what is the point. you can get a cam that will as much as high reving cam at low RPM.

Why are you talking to Johnny like he is a noob? As far as I am concerned, his car is in the 10s, if he wants valve springs that let the car rev higher why question him?

Johnny, why not try some B-series ones to begin with?

[shepherd79]

i don't care what his car runs, i am just saying that here are no reason to rev. that high.

[Jims 86LXI HB]

Let us not be tempted to hurl stones from up hi.

What if he has reached the output limit of the turbo he is running? What if he doesn't have the physical space to place a larger turbo? What if his manifold design has pinned him into such a space limitation? More rev's would be a sensicle way to get more boost if said turbo is giving out it's max attainable boost level at current rev limit.

Let's not see this post go where past threads by Johnny O have gone. Next sentance is a pre-emptive comment, for something that has not happened,..........yet. Remember, ALL members are held to the same member conduct rules.

[PhydeauX]

If the archives of the old boards still exist somewhere there was a guy along time ago (I believe on the second ezboard) who had valve springs, titanium retainers, rods, pistons, the whole nine yards. I forget who it was or even if they are still around. I can't remember who he got the springs from or what aplication they were actually for. I believe he sent some springs off to a manufacturer and had them match something up. Sorry for the somwhat useless post, but there is something that exists, you just have to find it.

andy

[NXRacer]

Sean has a whole head package that has a whole new valve train. I'm sure he knows of upgrade springs and stuff.

[Johnny O]

I now rev the car to 7400 and the turbo is still making power and than I encounter valve float.I am not asking what anybody thinks on how high to rev my car,but just if there is anybody that makes springs.This will help with sending valves and springs to different manufactors.Matter a fact I lanuch the car at 6000 , so I need to rev the car higher.

[shepherd79]

have you tried calling diff places such as Edelbrock or iskycams.com

[k-roy]

Do you have the measurements for the A20 springs and retainers?

You might be able to use these:
http://www.crower.com/cat/import/honda/valvetrain.shtml
http://www.cranecams.com/import/toc.htm
http://edelbrock.com/automotive/spor...act/index.html

I don't think anyone makes performance aftermarket springs and retainers specificly for the A20. Good for you for reving high. Valve float sucks. From what I have read dual springs are the way to go.

[guaynabo89]

JG Engine dynamics use to have them for their race heads. That was back in the early to mid 90's though.

Gonna have to go the route of custom fabrication and adapting stuff to fit. Thats what I had to do and its worked fine.

Iknow what your looking for though, somethiing that would drop right in but face it nothing drops right in on the a20's.

[Sean]

johnny. to run a higher tensoins spring youll have to goto a different vavle, valve guide,vavle seat and different retianers and keepers. also finding a machine shop to do the work is gonna be a bitch. i shoud know ive spent alot of time looking for the machine shop i do business with now. there are no simple fixes. but changing to different vavle gear, lighter retianens and spring and keepers is a great way to rev it. im sure i could put something together or help point you in tyhe right direction to run upto 8500 without float. maybe a bit more. bigger question is why are you reving it so high ?

[Sabz5150]

johnny. to run a higher tensoins spring youll have to goto a different vavle, valve guide,vavle seat and different retianers and keepers. also finding a machine shop to do the work is gonna be a bitch. i shoud know ive spent alot of time looking for the machine shop i do business with now. there are no simple fiexs. but changing to different vavle gear, lighter retianens and spring and keepers is a great way to rev it. im sure i could put something together or help point you in tyhe right direction to run upto 8500 without float. maybe a bit more. bigger question is why are you reving it so high ?

You can tune the engine to make power up there. I guess he wants to, being a pure drag car. I wouldn't mind being able to rev to 8K, at least to find out when my cam stops offering power.

[Sean]

all the grind avaible to us now maybe max out at 7000rpm tops. there is no reason to run the engine at those speeds. i mean youll need a hella port flow to support that rpm and without alot of $$$$ head work you aint gonna get it there making anything resembeling power. so there are 2 options. he can contact me and ill help him build a good head. or he can try to lighten valvtrian up with some custom retianers. pull wieght out of the valve train is the best way to do this. but you have to remover alot of wieght. and going to thinner valve stems etc is a fantastic way to do this. but you have to find a machine shop willing to get the insetrs rework the seat custom grind the valve and setup the vales and spring heights. on a head most machine shops hardly ever work on.

[rjudgey]

there is light at the end of the tunnel! i've been using stock honda springs, platforms, retainers and valves etc on my heads for last two years and have never had valve float, the best springs to use are the exhaust valve spring from accord, with the inner spring from a prelude exhaust spring, the valve retainers and platforms are from a u.k or jdm spec 1st gen prelude or late model 2 g accord, the heads i got mine from have a casting number of PD5 and HF-B used a twin choke downdraught and had 12 valves and no cvcc. these will withstand 8000rpm as my engine is regularily turned over to 8k, my cam is a custom profile from pipercams in u.k which are world leaders in cam profiles. also the head is fully modified for race flow.
a more expensive but better and easier way is to buy a set of exhaust valves, get them machined down to 32/31mm, have guides reemed out to match stem size, reduce the neck that sticks out into the port area and have backs re-profiled for better flow,3 angle race seats 1mm size seats, 27/28mm throat area match ports to that, get extra exhaust valve platforms x8 plus collets, retainers, these will all slip onto the inlet side without a hitch. add race cam and say hello to high rpms! might want seans con rods for sustained 8k-9k rpm though haven't broken one yet but better to be safe than sorry! high rpms on a budget!

[Johnny O]

SEAN once again I am not looking for your opinon on how high to rev car or what i should do.The machine shop I deal with could do anything.I have my only porting guy.Lets go back to the ? ,Who makes a valvetrain of us?rjudgey thanks for the info.

[Sean]

SEAN once again I am not looking for your opinon on how high to rev car or what i should do.The machine shop I deal with could do anything.I have my only porting guy.Lets go back to the ? ,Who makes a valvetrain of us?rjudgey thanks for the info.

Well obviously you dont understand your problem. and i told you to lighten the valvetrain. I just got home from a nice dyno break in sesion with my new street motor and it put out 350hp at 6500rpm at 16 psi of boost with a t3 s60 turbo. I have just a smidgen of insight. IF YOU DONT WANT ADVICE FROM PEOPLE DONT ASK FOR IT.

I told you what you would need to rev to 8000rpm. You need to lighten the valve train. you obviously dont want to spend money and build the engine the right way. So heres what im going to suggest.

get the stems undercut. ( good advice rjudgey) use the stiffer exhuast valve springs. get some titanium retianers made. and machine some material off of the rokers arms to balance them on the pivot point. Although this seems odd to do balacning them over the pivot makes them appear to wiegh less raising the rpm for spring oscilation or ( valve float)

and as i stated before if you dont want advice dont ask for it. there are no off the shelf solutions. I have engineered plenty of other parts to fit and work but yet agian in your infinite wisdom ( 35psi for 350hp) you have decided you know more then everybody else.

Also have you tried the search function ? you know pick up the telephone and call somebody like say crower manely or lunati or comp cams ? i mean get a pair of dial calipers and use you head.

[mykwikcoupe]

I am not sure if this what you are looking or but as I live so close to boeing of seattle. There is a company here called renton coil springs. hey custom make any spring you can think of to your specs. Ive had them make me a few springs for my cars. A little spendy but excellent quality and workmanship.

http://www.rentoncoilspring.com/

Hope this helps. either way there it is

[Johnny O]

Sean you are right but I know about everything you said is true,I am looking for a company that makes the stuff for us.So I do not have to wait to get things custom made if someone already makes them.You need to stop talking to people like they are dumb.I did not get were I am at right now by mistake.

[BootMachine]

YOu may need more than just valve springs to get the A20A to rev higher but hey....try it out and see what happens!

Eibach has a set of valve springs....you can get some made...also I have a box of old ones you can use of you need!

[NXRacer]

since when has EIBACH made motor parts????

[Sean]

Sean you are right but I know about everything you said is true,I am looking for a company that makes the stuff for us.So I do not have to wait to get things custom made if someone already makes them.You need to stop talking to people like they are dumb.I did not get were I am at right now by mistake.

nobody said you were dumb. your just not listening very well. i have way more info on this engine then i can shake a stick at ive spent 5yrs collecting it. i could tell you exactly what in the valve seat to change on a stock head to get 10cfm.

i just made as much power
as your making 330flywheel to run 10.89 at 127mph with the 2000lb minimum and the drag coe for the car. and i did it with less boost and less rpm. im trying to help you. but since your so stuck on doing it your way hey what ever floats your boat. if you want info email me. and yes there are some drop in valve springs if you look into a catalog. but yet again. id spend alot more time porting that head and getting a bigger turbine housing. but like i siad. 350hp at 6500rpm at 16 psi of boost. what could i know.

[Jims 86LXI HB]

IF YOU DONT WANT ADVICE FROM PEOPLE DONT ASK FOR IT.

Also have you tried the search function ? you know pick up the telephone and call somebody like say crower manely or lunati or comp cams ? i mean get a pair of dial calipers and use you head.

But Sean, Johnny's first post does not ask for advise, it specifically ask's for info on what companies make the valve springs, you volunteered the advise and your smart enough to know in advance that your advise giving to him is going to be seen as your desire to try and put him in his place as you see it. Thing is, we see past that. Can't we just all get along.

[Sean]

But Sean, Johnny's first post does not ask for advise, it specifically ask's for info on what companies make the valve springs, you volunteered the advise and your smart enough to know in advance that your advise giving to him is going to be seen as your desire to try and put him in his place as you see it. Thing is, we see past that. Can't we just all get along.

Jim. revving over 7000rpm take alot of valvtrian mods to do it reliably.