Drifting !

[suvsareretarded]

i think one thing we're ignoring is that FF or no, hondas are really designed to grip, not slide, and they're really good at it.
great news if you're racing, but if you're trying to drift, a honda wouldn't be my first choice, even if it was an S2000

Um..... isn't EVERY CAR EVER MADE designed to grip? Could you please point me towards a car that was designed to slide, because I'm sure most insurance companies would like to know about it.

[Deadhead]

If you want to do something real fun, take off any rear swaybars from your car, go around a corner with teh throttle lightly applied as fast as you can, and let off the throttle and hit the brakes. It's exciting. Promise.

yes, very exciting and very expensive lmfao

[od2681]

whats RWD then...Dick pushing?

[speedpenguin]

Um..... isn't EVERY CAR EVER MADE designed to grip? Could you please point me towards a car that was designed to slide, because I'm sure most insurance companies would like to know about it.

i'm sorry, that was not specific enough.
my point is not that there are cars that are designed to slide, all cars are designed to grip, my point is that hondas are especially good at it. that's why they are renowned all over the world as well-handling cars. poor grammar, i know, but i'm sure you get the idea.
there are people who have tried to drift the S2000, and they have learned that far more suspension tuning is needed then if they were trying to adapt a "traditional" drift car such as a silvia or trueno.
hondas are corner carvers, plain and simple

[suvsareretarded]

i'm sorry, that was not specific enough.
my point is not that there are cars that are designed to slide, all cars are designed to grip, my point is that hondas are especially good at it. that's why they are renowned all over the world as well-handling cars. poor grammar, i know, but i'm sure you get the idea.
there are people who have tried to drift the S2000, and they have learned that far more suspension tuning is needed then if they were trying to adapt a "traditional" drift car such as a silvia or trueno.
hondas are corner carvers, plain and simple

Uh... okay. I thought BMW was known for it's handling, not honda. :\

Whatever. Honda makes quality products, but I don't exactly associate them with some sort of performance purebred image, more like a nice car that is reliable and well put together. And honestly, I disagree. A suspension is a suspension is a suspension. The ability of a car to corner is not because of the badge on it's hood, but generally the bits and pieces that make up the car. I've been to a lot of autocrosses, and while a lot of hondas compete, I don't see them winning that often.


Again, not knocking them, but I disagree with your 'opinion'.

EDIT: Just guessing here, but I'd imagine the trouble with using an S2000 as a drift car would be a few things: 1. Extremely light weight coupled with fairly wide tires from the factory= hard to break loose in the first place 2. VTEC, which although provides power, also is not a regular engine curve, it comes on in a big lump at a certain RPM, so throttle application would be tricky. >shrug< Just guesses.

[speedpenguin]

hondas are very well-known for their handling in certain circles (particularly circles of honda fans)
but i think we can agree to disagree here and leave it at that. this thread is getting kinda long

[gfrg88]

arent hondas known for as economic cars??

[3rdgenhatchDX]

I drifted my hatch again this morning.... snow was a plus, and so was the empty parking lot, "no cops, no stops" anyways it was fun, wish i had a camcorder tho...

[suvsareretarded]

arent hondas known for as economic cars??

Economy. Or economical. Not economic.

[speedpenguin]

Economy. Or economical. Not economic.

if you start correcting people's grammar and spelling on an internet forum you've got your work cut out for you

[88eyeguy]

Economy. Or economical. Not economic.

Oh Lord. Before you try to save the world of grammar, just remember: this is a car forum, and it is based completely off the internet. You can't save them all.

[offtopic] Not to beat a dead horse, but there is a reason people use FF instead of just FWD. You also have: FR(240sx), MR(MR2), and RR (1960's era VW Beetle).[/offtopic]

[suvsareretarded]

[offtopic] Not to beat a dead horse, but there is a reason people use FF instead of just FWD. You also have: FR(240sx), MR(MR2), and RR (1960's era VW Beetle).[/offtopic]

Maybe it's a regional thing, but here in the midwest every single car person I've ever met refers to something as FWD, RWD, or AWD, or they might mention Mid engine, which as far as I know is always RWD. The only cars that have engines in the back of hte car are beetles and porsches, so I don't think I've ever heard or seen anybody refer to a "RR" car. The only time I've ever seen FF, FR, MR, and RR was in gran turismo.

[suvsareretarded]

if you start correcting people's grammar and spelling on an internet forum you've got your work cut out for you

His spelling and grammar was fine. He was just using the wrong word. Having an 'economic' car doesn't really make sense... economical or economy does.

[88eyeguy]

Using the wrong word is considered a grammatical error. And people differentiate between FF, FR, MR, and RR where I come from. I learned those terms ten years ago from my dad, who couldn't tell you what Gran Turismo is.

[suvsareretarded]

Using the wrong word is considered a grammatical error. And people differentiate between FF, FR, MR, and RR where I come from. I learned those terms ten years ago from my dad, who couldn't tell you what Gran Turismo is.

Like I said, maybe it's regional. Texas is a far cry from most states in America.

[getready]

I'm pretty sure that gran tourismo didnt make it up, its not regional, its just the correct terminoloy. Suvsareretarded, this is the second or third thread i've seen you correcting people's grammar, typing, or just general correcting. Whats up with that man?

[suvsareretarded]

Just trying to help out. I feel that if I was constantly making errors, like using 'accept' instead of 'except', I would want someone to correct me so I don't look like a total retard.

As for the FF FR stuff, I dunno. Maybe us midwesterners just don't have that lingo, ya dig? :P We're all too busy racing tractors and milking cows!

[kidman2505]

Its still a thread for drifting right?

[88eyeguy]

It hardly was to begin with.

But to go back on topic I have "drifted" a FF-or FWD-vehicle, and I have drifted a FR-a RWD differentiated from a MR or RR vehicle (which are more difficult to drift)-and I much prefer the control lent the driver in the FR format.

[speedpenguin]

1. the terms FF, FR, MR, RR, and 4WD are used primarily in touring car racing which is the most popular form of racing in japan.
2. gran turismo is a japanese game about touring car racing, that's why they are used in the game. the game did not invent them.
3. the most poular form of racing in the US (not counting NASCAR, which has about as much to do with the average racer as F1 does) is drag racing. drag racing uses the terms FWD and RWD because until only very recently the only cars competing were FF and FR, so more specific terms are not needed, especially since you're really only driving in a straight line anyway.
4. long story short, suvsaretarded is right, it is a regional thing.

interesting point to add, just for fun.
all cars competing in touring car racing under the classification 4WD are technically AWD. there is a difference between the two. but since there are no actual 4WD drive cars (4WD is used mostly on trucks anyway) competing, plus the fact that there is no difference in suspension tuning or handling between 4WD and AWD, only one classification is needed.

[88eyeguy]

1. the terms FF, FR, MR, RR, and 4WD are used primarily in touring car racing which is the most popular form of racing in japan.
2. gran turismo is a japanese game about touring car racing, that's why they are used in the game. the game did not invent them.
3. the most poular form of racing in the US (not counting NASCAR, which has about as much to do with the average racer as F1 does) is drag racing. drag racing uses the terms FWD and RWD because until only very recently the only cars competing were FF and FR, so more specific terms are not needed, especially since you're really only driving in a straight line anyway.
4. long story short, suvsaretarded is right, it is a regional thing.

interesting point to add, just for fun.
all cars competing in touring car racing under the classification 4WD are technically AWD. there is a difference between the two. but since there are no actual 4WD drive cars (4WD is used mostly on trucks anyway) competing, plus the fact that there is no difference in suspension tuning or handling between 4WD and AWD, only one classification is needed.

You're forgetting how important it is in road racing, autox, and coughdriftingcough. Ever tried to race in an MR2? It's a whole different ballgame from racing in a 240SX or in a Honda Accord-horsepower levels notwithstanding. It's not limited to regions; more likely it's limited to forms of competitive driving. The subject of this thread is drifting, and the designations are important to that particular sport if not to drag racing.

[gfrg88]

suvsareretarded you should calm down a bit on correcting people, i think people get the point of what someone is trying to say, although this time i think you did a good job on correcting someone(me) i dont know why i used economic anyways yeah i think hondas were made for economy not for racing or drifting,

the best way to get your car to drift is when its raining, go out to a big parking lot and get the car up to about 20 mph turn pull the e brake just a bit and then bam your "drifting" and dangerous....

[speedpenguin]

You're forgetting how important it is in road racing, autox, and coughdriftingcough. Ever tried to race in an MR2? It's a whole different ballgame from racing in a 240SX or in a Honda Accord-horsepower levels notwithstanding. It's not limited to regions; more likely it's limited to forms of competitive driving. The subject of this thread is drifting, and the designations are important to that particular sport if not to drag racing.

so i swore that would be the last time i posted on this thread, but whatev, a chance to elaborate is a chance to elaborate, and i should have been more specific in my point in the first place.
when i said touring car racing, i actually meant road racing, but hey, touring car racing is really just professional road racing anyway. i thought about mentioning drifting, but i figured that the connection to road racing (the sport of pro drifting originating from racing on touge, the fact that a lot of pro drifters in japan are former JGTC racers, etc.) would be implied. i guess i should have added that. autocross wasn't really worth mentioning either, since it's really just a time attack with cones (no disrespect. i'm just making the point that both drifting and autocross are derived from road racing).
as to the regional difference, my point was this:
since road racing is way more popular in japan than it is here, the terms in discussion are common knowledge in japan.
since drag racing is by far the most popular form of racing in america, (particularly in places like texas, hence suvsaretarded's confusion, once again no disrespect ) drag racing terms are more well-known than road racing terms. hence, the regional difference.

anyways yeah i think hondas were made for economy not for racing or drifting

actually this is not entirely true. the founder of honda (soichiro honda, may he rest in peace) was actually an avid road racer and motorcycle racer. he loved british sports cars, and all cars he had a direct hand in designing carry the same trait that a british sports car does (the honda S600 is a good example). this is why even cheap economy hondas are undeniably fun, well handling cars, i mean there's a reason a honda wins just about every car and driver (talking about the magazine here) comparison it's in, even if it's not the fastest car in the lineup.
any questions?

[88eyeguy]

when i said touring car racing, i actually meant road racing, but hey, touring car racing is really just professional road racing anyway. i thought about mentioning drifting, but i figured that the connection to road racing (the sport of pro drifting originating from racing on touge, the fact that a lot of pro drifters in japan are former JGTC racers, etc.) would be implied. i guess i should have added that. autocross wasn't really worth mentioning either, since it's really just a time attack with cones (no disrespect. i'm just making the point that both drifting and autocross are derived from road racing).
as to the regional difference, my point was this:
since road racing is way more popular in japan than it is here, the terms in discussion are common knowledge in japan.
since drag racing is by far the most popular form of racing in america, (particularly in places like texas, hence suvsaretarded's confusion, once again no disrespect ) drag racing terms are more well-known than road racing terms. hence, the regional difference.

any questions?

Sorry to keep you, but I need to elaborate a little on my post as well. Simply because drag racing is the most popular form of racing in America, it does not rule out other forms of racing. goning in a straight line all you need to know is: FWD, RWD, or 4/AWD. In any race with curves, you should also consider engine placement. Obviously, I am more concerned with road racing and its counterparts than I am with drag racing or NASCAR. I was just trying to say that FF, FR, etc. are not simply terms people use to sound "JDM tyte, yo!", but are real designations used all over the world to show a difference in the engine placement. It does have an effect on performance outside of the video game and ricer realms. That was my whole point.

[speedpenguin]

i think we have the exact same point.
i was in fact trying to give some background on different reasons why everyone doesn't use the same terms and you were giving other reasons...
why don't we let this one go...