i dont think it cant be possible to put the h22a in our cars. i called a couple of shops around town and they said they would do it. sure everything is going to be custom but i will be having somone do it for me. can you guys explain why on this forum there is so much negativity towards this engine swap?
Probably because its expensive and overrated.
Have you ever seen a H22 in another car? Its a lot beefier than an A20.
Shit in my friends Civic he can't even run PS or AC because there is not room. And the only reason the header clears the radiator is because its a fucked up half a radiator theat a Civic has, but he has a fluidyne so its all good. Oh yea he paid $2500 just for the installation on top of $2,500 for the engine and tranny then there was another $3,000 in shit like the suspension so it could hold up to the engine. So his H22 swap cost $8000 on top of the cost of the car.
Do yoself a big favor and turbo the bitch. Spend $4,000 on your car and have it be faster than a H22.
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you made some damn good points. i cant turbo my engine cuz its dead it overheated warped the head and i rather save up and swap something else in. if someone knows where i can find a jdm b20 with the tranny please let me know cuz i need it
DEAR HatchCord
NOBODY SAID THAT IT IS IMPOSSIBLE A H22 SWAP ON 3G ACCORD
WILL COST YOU A LOT OF MONEY.
THE POWER GAINS WILL NOT BE MUCH BETTER THAN A B18C1 OR B18C5 SWAP
( USING PLACE RACING KIT).
H22 IS VERY HEAVY , THE WEIGHT DISTRIBUTION AND THE HANDLING WILL BE WORST
THAN STOCK.
YOU COULD USE SEAN'S TURBO KIT, ON YOUR A20, FOR OVER 200Hp WITH STOCK
INTERNALS ( CHEAPEST WAY).
ACCORD 3G RUNS FOR EVER
Cheapest Way, Is Rebuild-turbo Your A20
ACCORD 3G RUNS FOR EVER
Your block is fine, rebuild it and get a new head, Then go talk to Sean.Originally Posted by HatchCord
You allready got the car with a block and tranny, thats the big stuff. Shit you could do a rebuild with a turbo for $3,000.
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bro dont come off with that tone alright. this is an open forum and i asked an open question because i am asking as an open minded person and searching for help from the very knowledgeable people onhere. i appreciate your views but please next time dont use a tone like that.
sorry everyone, kroy has made me see its not worth it. the b20a is my next choice in line. does anyone know if anyone near florida imports them? i know openloop has them but its kinda far from me. i know ill need a tranny too so if you guys know where i can get that id appreciate it too.
wow kroy you think so? my mechanic said like 700 for the head only (to fix). a full rebuild and turbo is 3000?
Sorry, I do my own work. You can do a rebuild with a turbo for $3k. If the only labor you pay for is a machine shop for the engine build.
I like the B20A Idea. I searched for a B20A for a while, the only problem is I never found a 5 speed to go with it.
Oh and the H22 3G has been done before
http://www.geocities.com/rick_spiff/car/index.html
This belongs to a banned member of 3geez, he came around asking questions he probably know we could not answer and he got into some bickering about it.
Im not sure if it ever got on the road or not.
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how much is sean's kit? ive heard of numbers upwards of 230hp 300lbs/ft. id really love to hear a swoosh from a nice hks bov. i can always buy a rebuilt a20 for really cheap down here.
I rather have a B20z w/B16 Head than an H22.
Sean has engines to.Get ahold of him and he could hook u up with a turboed a20 for the right $.He will make it so u only have to drop it in ur car and go.Oh and there is a b20 for sale check some of the recent market place.
Stop bench racing and pick up a wrench
I know my spelling sucks and I suck with computers deal with it.
https://www.3geez.com/showthread.php?t=30660
Here is the link just incase ur lazy
Stop bench racing and pick up a wrench
I know my spelling sucks and I suck with computers deal with it.
And for the H22 if i had my way i would get a JDM H22 but after installing one in a prelude which it belongs in i would NEVER put one in the accord. I must say the stock JDM H22 is rather impressive and the nicest honda engine i have had a chance to drive. But its just to damn big and it will be a pain to work on and would probably have to be pulled for some repairs. And depending how you would set up the mounts will make things easier or harder. Then you have to deal with the shift linkage and hydro transmission. So in the end its more work than most shops would even want to do. And with the money you spent you could of had even a nice B-series with a turbo. IMO i would tubo the A20A because its much stronger than the open deck B-Series and is cast iron not aluminum.
you guys have given me some great ideas. im gonna try to get in touch with sean about those turboed a20's. i have driven a lude with the h22 swap and it did impress me that why i would have like it but you can't beat the sound of a bov!
I can say the H22's are priced pretty well in comparison to the B18C1 etc. But i was working on my friends 2.2 again today and its just a tight fit even in the 92 prelude. If you have money turbo's are hands down the way to go but most people half ass things and complain that turbos are not reliable because they blew a rod through the side of the block. But most people dont get them tuned properly and or use a cheap ass air/fuel gauge that is not accuate at all.
that project was not completed due to axle mismatch and crappy welding. That engine was a test fitment shot. He showed us that it fits in but it never ran till his last post. This is the reason that H22 swap is impossible, too much money.Sorry, I do my own work. You can do a rebuild with a turbo for $3k. If the only labor you pay for is a machine shop for the engine build.
I like the B20A Idea. I searched for a B20A for a while, the only problem is I never found a 5 speed to go with it.
Oh and the H22 3G has been done before
http://www.geocities.com/rick_spiff/car/index.html
This belongs to a banned member of 3geez, he came around asking questions he probably know we could not answer and he got into some bickering about it.
Im not sure if it ever got on the road or not.
If you can fabricate yourself the cost will be around the cost of most other swaps. The biggest part of the whole swap is mounting it in the proper location and doing it right and not just putting it where you think it needs to be. But most people that tend to want or ask about this swap lack the knowledge and experience needed and to pay a shop to do a one of a kind thing is where they rape you. I know a shop around here that quoted me $5000(incl JDM H22) back in 1999 when i first thought of a swap. I didnt even think of the H22 they suggested it and he said he did one in the past in a accord but i had never seen it so i cant say he did. I never considered the swap because at the time it was my daily driver and i didnt want to loose my car for any amount of time. And thats another problem for most people is that they are working on a daily driver. I am pretty confident i could do the swap with my resources but id rather have a smaller turbo motor with plenty of room under the hood to work with.
Get a CR/VTEC B20z w/ B16head and you will be very happy.
This project was put on hold due to family/space/wtf I don't know how to weld! considerations.
Really the only outstanding difficulties are:
New engine mounts (HIRE A PROFESSIONAL WELDER/FAB SHOP)
Hydro conversion (easier than it sounds)
No A/C (w/o massive mods)
Otherwise, it's no worse than any other EFI B series swap. You'll need new axles and such. Oh, and currently my tab is running $4,800 including the JDM front clip.
And for the record, that was a fitment pic. Some day, when my wife is done buying goddamn GM vehicles (BURN, BUUUURRRRN!!!) and having ME fix them (!&*@#%^!*$&!&!%$*), I will actually get to work on my car. Once it's done, I will have a powerful 3G with a low-miles EFI motor in it.
And then she can have her '89 SE-i back.
Finally, to reiterrate: DON'T TRY THIS SWAP UNLESS YOUR STUDYING TO BECOME AN AUTOMOTIVE ENGINEER... or something. It's hard, it takes a lot of work, a lot of squeezing, and it will make the car a little front heavy. No worse than a turbocharged A20, anyway.
Bring on the flames.
Engineer by profession, writer by practice, mechanic by necessity, martial artist by design.
No offence you dont have to be a Engineer to do a swap but you will need a bit of experience with cars. I know a lot of people that can do this swap and i have some experience with the H22 myself and think with my knowledge and people i know i could pull it off. I will say the H22 is a awesome motor but it is a big big for our engine bays IMO. Id much rather do a turbo setup than cram this motor in the accord. It is good that you got a front clip though so you dont get nickeled and dimed buying misc parts you need that just a engine package wouldnt have.
Good luck with your project and i know its possible to do it and dont see why everyone says its impossible you just need to know what your doing.
jesus, a sudden onslaught of noobs. RUN FOR YOUR LIVES!!!
"Turn off the television sets and eradicate the slander that says a black youth with a book is acting white." - Barack Obama
Well... I originally considered doing an H22A swap because I have the tools to do it. Let me just say Im VERY VERY glad I changed my mind... I went so far as going to the place to buy one! but... when I got there sitting right next to it was a nice b18c1, significantly lighter, only SLIGHTLY less hp/tq, and aftermarket parts for the swap such as mounts! not to mention it was in better condition to boot. Since the tranny had a hole in the bell housing I got it for the same price as the H22A. Since before I joined this site, I didnt even know what an intake was, I cant say Im an expert. Fortunatly I live with one, and even tho I do all the work myself, I am never stuck for too long. So far Ive dumped a couple months and 10 thousand into it... so if you are considering an H22A swap plz plz plz plz take my advice, and JUST DONT DO IT! the pros outweigh the cons, which are several more than ive listed here (uhm working space!!!) so ya, buy a B series or one of seans turbos and i guarentee you, you'll be much happier in the end.
- Matt
Agreed, agreed, and agreed.
I got my clip for a song, and I don't mind reworking 1/4th of my beloved Accord to get it running again... but I still tell people:
It can be done... I'm doing it... don't do it anyway.
And don't even ask me about turbo-charging that monster.
Engineer by profession, writer by practice, mechanic by necessity, martial artist by design.
Amen to that. I hope finally people would understand the hardship of doing this swap. A lot of noobs think they can do it and what not or say that they wanna be different, but its all BS. But u know what, rick spiff and Matt and the whole thread in the Engine swap section clearly shows what you need and what needs to be doneand why its not worth the money, but i guess people still think they can do it. But yeah, people need to learn from you both atleast. Hopefully this would prevent anyone else from getting into a difficult situation like this.
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