h22 would be overdone in our cars, its ment for 4th gens and fifth gens...
<-- and i just happen to have a 5th gen and plan on doing an h22 swap in july, to put one in a 3g would be a joke, go with a b20 or even a b16 (oldschoolswap) did it!
that reminds me, is juans car quick? i mean i know its hella nice but does that block really improve our cars performance? like 1/4m times and stuff?
cuz thats alot of weight for the motor to power
THE TORQUE CURVE OF B16A1 (IF YOU DYNOED) IS FLAT BECAUSE OF VTEC.
THAT MEANS THAT B16A1 HAS A LOT OF TORQUE ON LOW RPM ( MORE THAN
12kg.m/1500rpm) AND A LOT OF TORQUE AT VERY HIGH RPM 14+kg.m AT 8000rpm
( WHEN B20A AND A20A3 HAVE NO TORQUE AT THAT RPM LEVEL , REV LIMIT UNDER 7000rpm).
THE B16A1 AND ALL THE B SERIES ENGINES ARE VERY GOOD FOR OUR CARS IF
YOU WANT TO SPENT A LOT OF MONEY FOR 3G ACCORD, BECAUSE OF THE HUGE
AFTERMARKET SUPORT................................YOU COULD MAKE EASY A B16A1
WITH OVER 400Hp ( TURBO)......
IF YOU WANT JUST TO PUT A PERFOMANCE ENGINE ON YOUR 3G ACCORD, THEN
IS BETER AND CHEAPER ,TO SWAP A B20A ( jdm 160Hp, IF YOU FIND ONE WITH
MANUAL TRANSMISSION, IN GOOD CONDITION???) OR IMPROVE YOUR EFI-CARBED A20.
EK CIVIC SI ( BOTH 3D AND 4D CAME TO EUROPE) WEIGHT MORE THAN 2800lbs
(MORE THAN A 3G ACCORD, BECAUSE OF HUGE SAFETY EQUIPMENT, AIR BAGS ETC)
BUT THEY ARE VERY FAST WITH THE B16A3 ( EYROPEAN SPEC 160Hp ,THE SAME AS jdm B16A1) 7.7sec aceleration 0-62milee, max speed 130+miles/h, 1/4mile ON 16sec..................................
A 3G ACCORD WITH B16A1 WILL BE MUCH FASTER,THAN EK CIVIC SI, BECAUSE WILL LOST WEIGHT FROM B16A1 ( A20 HAS 2.0L CAST IRON BLOCK, MUCH HEAVIER THAN B16 1.6L ALLOY BLOCK) .
ACCORD 3G RUNS FOR EVER
lol are you on crack and getting really excited everytime you post?Originally Posted by Lok
or is your caps lock stuck?
uh, i have a stock head off a A20a3, im gonna sell it or something fter i get my other head p n'p done, PM me if u need it, its in great shape
Hahaha, he is defenitely on something and thats for sure..
Anyway Lok, we know all that shit about the B16 and the A20, apparently you think 100ftlbs at 8K rpm is a lot, but fuck, we make that half the rpm lower. Anyway, i assume u have not been following the works and pros of the A20, so yeah, you need to catch up.
Please, next time when you post do some background research about the B series and the A series and dont ever talk about top speed and 0-60 acc. Cause those numbers, mean nothing. you want a fast car, lets see where that car makes it power, not at an unusable rpm.
Also, check on Seans work, then you might change your mind, or better yet to say learn some more about the A20. :cool2:
https://www.3geez.com/announcement.ph...ouncementid=35 << check that.
You will find that its not just the block that made is car faster, its the nitrous and the whole fuel set up. He ran 15.6 in quarter mile if my memory serves right, but also Bitesize ran the same kinda numbers with his A20.
Oh forgot to add, that 15 second run of Juan was without nitrous, which again, is all motor B16.
Last edited by smufguy; 03-06-2004 at 10:14 PM.
I would definately stay away from the H22 swap.. especially after seeing some dyno results.
How does 160hp sound at the wheels.. but wait, that is after mods.
Header, gained a bit of power... intake, lost power, exhaust lost power.
Unless you plan to turbo the H22, I think a B18 is a way better idea for a swap, more modable. Especially because the H22 is such a tight fit, i would think it would be hard to turbo one.
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SMUFGUY, YOU ARE WRONG, IF YOU BELIEVE THAT ONE 3G ACCORD WITH A20A3 EFI
IS FASTER THAN ONE ACCORD 3G WITH jdm B16A1.
120Hp CAN'T BEAT 160hp.
B16A1 HAS MORE TORQUE AT LOW AND AT HIGH RPM (VTEC TECHNOLOGY) , A20 HAS MORE TORQUE ONLY BETWEEN 4000-5500rpm ( BECAUSE IS 2.0L) , BUT AGAIN
A20 RUNS SLOWER THE ACCORD 3G, AT THAT RPM, BECAUSE OF MUCH LONGER GEARS.
ALL THE NEW 'B' SERIES VTEC ENGINES LIVE FOR 8000rpm, WITH NO RELIABILITY PROBLEMS.
I KNOW EVERYTHING ABOUT A20, AND IF YOU READ MY PREVIOUS POST, YOU'LL
SEE THAT I HAVE MUCH RESPECT ABOUT SEAN'S WORK.
AS I SAID BEFORE A20 IS A GOOD ENGINE FOR ACCORD 3G. YOU COULD MAKE A LOT OF POWER WITH SEAN'S TURBO KIT, BUT IF YOU WANT TO SPEND A LOT OF MONEY
ON YOUR ACCORD..................NEW 'B' SERIES ENGINE ARE ALL, MUCH BETTER THAN
A20...................( B16A1 PRODUCE 300+hp ( EASY) WITH JUST A TURBO KIT
,1BAR ,INTERCOOLER, 440cc INJECTORS AND ONE AFTERMARKET HEAD GASKET ( C/R 9:1).
ACCORD 3G RUNS FOR EVER
Right or wrong, its not my money and if it was my money i wont get a car let alone an engine that makes its power at an engine speed where i wont operate my car anyway. I valet and i have driven pretty much every single car out there including 2004 Bentlys and Rolls Royces and evern a Masaratie. Even tho that statement seems pointless, the reason i put it there is to mention that i have driven tegs and S2000s. Low end torque? Well, not really cause there is none.
The way an engine makes power is the whole engine design, not just the displacement. The intake design, the runner length, the diameter of the runners and the TB, the head flow, the head design, the valve sizes, the A/F mixture and etc, etc
THe point is, i dont need a car that needs to rev at 8K to make 200hp with 11:1 comp ratio and run on 93 or 94 octane all day. I want a car that can make that kinda power at off idle, and as you said it yourself, Sean has made his turbo that way.
I drive my A20A1 block still with 175K miles on it and with full exhaust and an intake, i can take pretty much any NA teg out there with or without a full exhaust and intake. I can still rev at 6K with no problem thats how reliable it is. Also, the only problem for me is traction and clutch. I got no traction even in second gear and sometimes i have to start in second or switch to second at or around 3K cause i get tire slip. The other factor is the stock clutch pretty much does not like quick shifts so its the only problem for me. IF i can get my 205 rubbers and a stage 1 clutch (for starting out) i am sure i can make them stagger in their tracks.
There are two kinds of people on this forum, People who like their A20 and belive in its power and some who like a swap. There is no real reason to even argue about it. Everyone knows the charecteristics of the engines. and the only engines you can possibly swap is the B16 and the B18 and thats all people have did besides the B20. I have never seen anyone do a B20Bz or even a ZC swap. but to me it does not matter.
For 2K just for the motor and not knowing what condition it comes in and then getting headers and exhaust and whatnot for the engine, i will just keep my A20 and turbo it for a lot less money. And its just me.
Last edited by kji420; 01-29-2006 at 02:11 AM.
i went to my local tuner shop, Max RPM in Bremerton WA, and was told that i could easily "bolt rite in" the h22, and that they had completed the whole swap in about 6hrs. WTF!? r they just blowing smoke up my ass, or do i need to to get the complete rundown of the ordeal and post it for all to have and use?
Holy thread revival!!!!!
Anyway. Since they don't know shit about 86-89 Accords, just have them make you an estimate, pay in advance, drop the car to their shop, go back home and wait for their phonecall.
When they say it can't be done, just argue with them and sue them to cours so they can complete the swap for the price of a 6 hour job.
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i guess if they know what there doing, and can weld/fab, it can be done in 6 hours
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i think they prolly got our cars mixed up with the 4 gen cause a lot of people that dont know about our cars think theyre the same
lol, no it cant... It's not even close to being realistic.
well, i don't know how our cars compare to the 3g ludes. but over at preludepower, they're paying 6 grand or so to get a h22 dropped into their cars, just about as much it would cost to get one into our cars. here's a thread over there on it. and a link to a book on honda engine swaps.
http://preludepower.com/forums/showt...ight=h22a+swap
http://www.themotorbookstore.com/hon...ine-swaps.html
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Last edited by kji420; 01-29-2006 at 08:09 PM.
thanx for the info, looks like im goin to the shop tomarrow to "get my h22 bolted rite in" and only pay for 6 shop hrs. now if this pans out i'm gonna be stylin with my new h22 powered 88' LXi.
thanx for the info, looks like im goin to the shop tomarrow to "get my h22 bolted rite in" and only pay for 6 shop hrs. now if this pans out i'm gonna be stylin with my new h22 powered 88' LXi.
I'm not goin 2 hold my breath, but i mite go and invest in a good lawyer to follow up on the pending false advert suit
now my only prob seems to be not knowing how to delete my posts
so that honda engine swap book just lays out how to do an h-series in our cars? does anyone have that book? I want to see pictures and stuff
no, not into a 3g. it's into a 4g and up. but it says how to do it into a 3g lude, which would probably be the closest thing to our cars.
The type of person who is going to complete an h22 swap would hardly base their decision on a tutorial.. They would just buy the engine, some swap mounts for another chassis, and start cutting and welding, like I did to drop my b series in. Good luck finding a shop that will be able to do that competently. They won't be able to charge enough to justify a quality result. If I had everything in front of me, (customer car) I would have to charge somewhere over $1k just to make the mounts. I've done head gaskets on v6s and v8s for that much, and the mounts are a serious effort.
I say if you can't do it yourself, you don't deserve to have it anyway...so stop typing on the computer and DO IT! ..lol
a 3g lude has a B20A5, and that motor and its mounting points are no way similar or close to our A20s. So yeah, H22 is better left alone.
Don't listen to that, just do it! ..pussies..
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