My passion for 3G's got blown away (Longish)

[zero.counter]

I don't think we've confirmed that at all - quite the opposite, really. I really don't want to irk you by saying this, but a lot of the things you say could really be applied the other way around!

Read a little and you will see what has been confirmed. I am not an english teacher, so I won't give you any hints...its all there. Irk away! Apply them and lets see what makes sense.

"we have basically confirmed that MRs suck for most guys"
I don't know where we confirmed that, but I must have missed it.

Comprehension my friend. It is up to you to research what I said without discriminating thinking, only logical.

"My point is, don't knock the other platforms for silly unsubstantiated reasons other than your personal experience with the MR cars"
I'm not knocking any platform - I'm revealing some of the more subtle advantages and disadvantages of each platform while trying to stay unbiased. Don't knock the MR setup just because you haven't had as much personal experience with it!

Earth to thread poster, your original post was biased and if you would like me to spell it out I can. There is nothing subtle about having a car with an engine sitting right behind your driving seat as opposed to it being in the front as the norm.

Lastly, are you saying that you know who I am and have seen/heard everything I have done since being alive? Assumptions are exactly that, and are not to be applied unless scientific value is harvested...hence theories.

"They all have their Advantages/Disadvantages and some are not better than others."
That's exactly what I'm saying to you!

You were biased on the MR and I called you out. I posted explaining that no car may be better than others and showed that I have reasoning abilities with the mindset to show both sides of the story, or at least advocate one to an equal level.

It doesn't take deep pockets to build a road worthy MR car.. just some creativity and a lot lot lot of research.

Any car is road worthy, as long as it runs. If you mean performance wise, explain why the aftermarket in the states is lacking for MRs, particularly the MR2 (supply and demand) and it is not for other cars. I never said one was better than the other, i just don't appreciate when another side cannot represent itself to the fullest.

[Wipeout]

I didn't even know if I wanted to reply to this. I don't know what world you're on, but you're not posting any facts to lead any of us to believe otherwise.

Read a little and you will see what has been confirmed. I am not an english teacher, so I won't give you any hints...its all there. Irk away! Apply them and lets see what makes sense.


Comprehension my friend. It is up to you to research what I said without discriminating thinking, only logical.

That sentence doesn't even make sense, much less mean anything. I've proved every one of my points with facts. So far you haven't. It's as simple as that!

Earth to thread poster, your original post was biased and if you would like me to spell it out I can. There is nothing subtle about having a car with an engine sitting right behind your driving seat as opposed to it being in the front as the norm.

What was biased about it? Why was it biased? You can't expect everyone to "believe you" without any reason why! Also, your second sentence doesn't relate to anything I've said. I said some of the advantages and disadvantages I have brought up were subtle, not the configuration itself.

Lastly, are you saying that you know who I am and have seen/heard everything I have done since being alive? Assumptions are exactly that, and are not to be applied unless scientific value is harvested...hence theories.

Well, let's see if I'm right on this one. Which setup have you had more experience in? Front engine or mid engine?

You were biased on the MR and I called you out. I posted explaining that no car may be better than others and showed that I have reasoning abilities with the mindset to show both sides of the story, or at least advocate one to an equal level.

Again, no facts, only skewed opinion. You haven't shown any sort of reasoning abilities whatsoever - you have no facts to back up any of your arguments.

Any car is road worthy, as long as it runs. If you mean performance wise, explain why the aftermarket in the states is lacking for MRs, particularly the MR2 (supply and demand) and it is not for other cars. I never said one was better than the other, i just don't appreciate when another side cannot represent itself to the fullest.

In the U.S., aftermarket isn't lacking at all compared to the volume of MR2s sold. Google "MR2 aftermarket" and you come up with some good results. They haven't sold much because they're a niche vehicle, just like Fieros. You never said one was better than the other?
"I could go into detail, but we have basically confirmed that MRs suck"
Do we even need to continue this?

And now back to your regularly scheduled posting.....

[zero.counter]

I didn't even know if I wanted to reply to this. I don't know what world you're on, but you're not posting any facts to lead any of us to believe otherwise.

And now back to your regularly scheduled posting.....

First of all, it took you what, at least a whole day to come up with whay you responded with? Only you really know how long it took to devise that response...

Anyways, what do you want me to back up, how much one car is better that the other? There is no way to do so as it would be siding with one or the other. I owned an MR2 for my last 2 years of high school back in 1993-1995 when I graduated. I liked the car a lot as racing nothing but hill billies was what did. Around there, we had back roads to mess around on.

That sentence doesn't even make sense, much less mean anything. I've proved every one of my points with facts. So far you haven't. It's as simple as that!
What facts, that you think the MR2 is better than another, or how you had to do a google search to find what you were looking for? What is there to not understand about what I wrote? Maybe talking to a person of higher intellect is hard for some and not as easy as, "That thur motor blew a gasket and needs to be fixed".

What was biased about it? Why was it biased? You can't expect everyone to "believe you" without any reason why! Also, your second sentence doesn't relate to anything I've said. I said some of the advantages and disadvantages I have brought up were subtle, not the configuration itself.
Comprehension....once again. Stop ignoring that. How was the sentence not relative to anything? Comprehension once again. Your last sentence conflicts with itself. It, involves every aspect of itself (It meaning car), not just what you choose to point out.

Well, let's see if I'm right on this one. Which setup have you had more experience in? Front engine or mid engine?
What do you want to know about my experience with an MR setup? You were wrong on the assumption and need to stop making them so you don't look ignorant.

[i]Again, no facts, only skewed opinion. You haven't shown any sort of reasoning abilities whatsoever - you have no facts to back up any of your arguments.[i]
What fact do you present, you personal experience? Other than your google search for those hard to find and/or expensive aftermarket parts, there are no facts to support than one os better. Definately different, but not better...
I can give facts for both cars, but it does not mean one is better. I also stated that, "I could go into detail, but we have basically confirmed that MRs suck", you left out the other part, "that don't have deep pockets or the time to effectively setup, just to bring up to a level worthy of competing with another car on a different platform". Before you pick and choose your words like a liberal news agency, get it straight for the people.

In the U.S., aftermarket isn't lacking at all compared to the volume of MR2s sold. Google "MR2 aftermarket" and you come up with some good results. They haven't sold much because they're a niche vehicle, just like Fieros.
Look through those results and compare to my understanding of a good aftermarket. And you might want to look a little deeper into those results as well

You never said one was better than the other? "I could go into detail, but we have basically confirmed that MRs suck"
Quote the rest of my sentence as I did earlier, then comprehend what I said. (There is that damn word again, what in the world can it mean???)

Do we even need to continue this?
You are right, we don't. I am used to every other pride driven male with an inferiority complex, who won't know when to stop and have to look good to the people on this board who really care alot ((sarcasm)) (Hey, I just described myself... ). Go ahead, I don't get paid to do google searches just to show how I am better than someone else, because I have better things to do. I mean, barely anyone on any boards I post on even know my name. For all I know (Comprehension Alert, basically saying that it is possible to be anyone, I just chose a few possibilities off the top of my head), I may have seen you the other day when you were picking up my garbage or getting my cafe latte at starbucks???

While you are at it on the searching, do one for the Nissan Silvia S14 and any correlation about suspension geometry, engine power, handling, and weight distribution. I drive a car very similar to that, minus the name. That is why, ah forget it...

All I am trying to say is don't knock one, especially one that is the topic for discussion, without thinking about it through. Facts or not (I know, I know...facts to you are personal experience, which they can be, in some cases). So in theory, I have said what is needed to say. You thinks MR2s are god's gift to cars and I know the sky is blue (right now at least)...

Please understand my tone on the last sentence before going haywire. Thanks!

[FatDave]

hold up, did he say he makes $14USD an hour working a Gas station?! holy crap i make $14.50 an hour as a courier, i need to move Norway
and 10k for a S13...man thats crazy is that price for a stock model? you can pick those up around here for $1500, with a KA24 though....... :

[Oyvind Ryeng]

Yep. But I still have to work over 900 hours to be able to afford either a 180SX RS13 or a PS13 Silvia. USD$10,000 is the optimistic price for either these two (assuming it has some rust, 150,000 miles on the odometer and blown turbo and headgasket etc. etc.). Realistically, it'll probably be closer to 12,000 for the right car, and when the Goverment is finished taxing and stealing the rest of my money.

Norway is really not all that great; everythings expensive and taxed to hell thanks to the Norwegian goverments greed for money and extreme selfishness. We still have to work many hours to be able to afford stuff, even if we make USD$14 an hour. A 20-pack of Marlboro cigarettes is like USD$9, a litre of milk is USD$1.5, a gallon of premium gasoline is USD$6.5, and a 0,7-litre bottle of 60 Vol% Vodka is USD$50 and so on and so forth. Suddenly, USD$14 an hour is not enough to by any fucking thing.

[FatDave]

damn man, sounds like it, i thought $2.90USD was bad for a pack of cigarettes sounds like you guys do get the shaft on taxes, i mean i bitch about $1.81 a gallon of gas, i'll think twice before griping anymore.