Pacesetter : Intake , Short Shifter , Header , Cat Back Exhaust , High Flow Cat

**smufguy** · 03-11-2004, 01:03 AM

Well arent the bolts 14mm? If so go to the junkyard and steal some. The seatbelt bolts are 14mm and the nuts on the struts are 14mm if im not mistaken. So yeah, find your way thru the car with a 14mm socket and u should find some bolts. The thread type is gonna be the same cause its for automotive purpose and it should be good.

Did u say blue flames???? Damn........... you sure you saw it right???? i never knew our cars spat out fire, let alone it aint good.

**Moodybluesr** · 03-11-2004, 03:51 AM

Originally Posted by smufguy

Well arent the bolts 14mm? If so go to the junkyard and steal some. The seatbelt bolts are 14mm and the nuts on the struts are 14mm if im not mistaken. So yeah, find your way thru the car with a 14mm socket and u should find some bolts. The thread type is gonna be the same cause its for automotive purpose and it should be good.

Who the hell told you that nonsense? Whoever it was, go find them and slap them. All bolts with 14mm heads are NOT made the same; threads and widths vary greatly in any automotive application.

**smufguy** · 03-11-2004, 08:45 AM

Originally Posted by Moodybluesr

Who the hell told you that nonsense? Whoever it was, go find them and slap them. All bolts with 14mm heads are NOT made the same; threads and widths vary greatly in any automotive application.

i know by experience. All 14mm bolts taken from the car and the nuts for the 14mm studs are all of the same thread within the 3g. Well, i built my car from bare frame and i know it for a fact so dont call it BS my man. U want proof, well pay a visit to one of our NJ meets and i will gladly show you.

i know not every 14mm bolt head have the same width studs. but its comman sense man. U pick thru the bolt u want

**od2681** · 03-11-2004, 08:49 AM

so fire out of the manifold aint good??
i thought cars usually had fire comin out of the manifold cuzz you know its combustion...i mean yeah if it was comin out of the exhaust pipe then i would be worried...but why should i be worried bout it comin from the manifold???

**smufguy** · 03-11-2004, 08:59 AM

Originally Posted by od2681

so fire out of the manifold aint good??
i thought cars usually had fire comin out of the manifold cuzz you know its combustion...i mean yeah if it was comin out of the exhaust pipe then i would be worried...but why should i be worried bout it comin from the manifold???

Well flame propogation happens under combustion under ignition stroke of our engines and after combustion u got the expansion stroke where the piston is pushed down as u know, in the Exhaust stroke, the piston moves back up and before it even starts from BDC (Bottom Dead Center) the exhaust valves open and the Vaccum pulls the exhaust gases out and the piston on its way to start the intake stroke pushes the exhaust gases out.

So if ur spitting fire, its only possible if ur revving real high, like 6.5K and Up rpm, usually in Redline zone. EIther that or ur exhaust valves are opening too early during combustion stoke.

This is my understanding, so i dont know if its normal or not, but its not probably. Flame is the result of burning fuel, so if u can see a flame in your exhaust, ur still burning fuel? and its outside the combustion chamber? that would not be helpful to your power of the engine right? Well, i know our cats need a little rich exhaust gas to help catalyze the exhaust gases into Nox and Co2 and Co and whatnot, but a flame, i dont know. To be honest, I really dont think its meant to do that.

**pip** · 03-11-2004, 09:13 AM

well u could call pacesetter ask them what bolts they use or ask someone and go out and buy them i gaurantee u they're probably from canadian tire or what ever equivalent u have in the U.S.

ask someone on the board

**od2681** · 03-11-2004, 11:32 AM

yeah i got that crap fixed....but still worried bout the flame stuff...hmmm...has this kinda thing hapend to anyone else..like fire out the exhaust manifold.....to be honest, really loooked cool..but sounded like ass

**Justin86** · 03-11-2004, 11:42 AM

Yea that happend to me once, the blue flames look hella sweet at night!

Did you remove the washers form the bolts or anything, thats might have caused it to come loose.

**k-roy** · 03-11-2004, 12:10 PM

Ok what you need is a new gasket, 14mm bolt, LOCK washers and 2 Nuts.
When I installed my pacesetter I used new bolts without lockwashers, about 2 days later the header was about a 1/2" away from the head. So I had to run and get some lockwashers. Be sure to use anti-seize compound on the threads as well, it makes removing it 2 years down the road 10x easier.

**Moodybluesr** · 03-11-2004, 02:24 PM

Originally Posted by smufguy

i know by experience. All 14mm bolts taken from the car and the nuts for the 14mm studs are all of the same thread within the 3g. Well, i built my car from bare frame and i know it for a fact so dont call it BS my man. U want proof, well pay a visit to one of our NJ meets and i will gladly show you.

i know not every 14mm bolt head have the same width studs. but its comman sense man. U pick thru the bolt u want

So what you are saying is that any bolt with a 14mm head from a 3g Accord will be the correct length, thread pitch, heat range, and strength grade to hold together the two sections of an AFTERMARKET header?

Not trying to start an arguement here; just trying to save od2681 from having to deal with broken off bolts in his header.

**smufguy** · 03-11-2004, 03:02 PM

I not talking about stud bolts, but look at ur 14mm bolts of your seats. See how they look like? nice and thick, not too long, but nice and thick right? those bolts are pretty strong. They are some kinda steel and they are coated to prevent rust so its no biggie. Its much easier to find a long stud 12mm bolt from our 3g than a 14mm, but yeah any 14mm bolt with a matching lock nut should withstand the heat and vibration. They are the same pitch and thread side.

I know what you mean, i know u ask this to double check, but yeah its true. When i got my DX from Chris (civtek) and his was a dx and did not have the fold down seats, but now, it does and the pivots are held on by four 14mm bolts with lock nuts on em. After all these times and having the seat folded down and had stuff on it it never even flinched.

The heat is not that great cause the after market headers are of mild steel rather than cast iron which means they dissipate heat real fast. and the flanges hear the 4-2 pipe is pretty wide enough to dissipate heat so the bolt aint gonna fail.

but if its an uncomfortable situation, then like someone mentioned, they can call up Pacesetter and order the bolts. Trust me, they might look fancy, but nothing different.

Note: Well seems like he fixed his problem and Kroy mentioned the same thing.

Anyway, You guys get flames outta ur headers??? Dman.... i guess i just dont see it

**Burban88** · 03-11-2004, 08:01 PM

don't worry about flame from exhaust, it's normal

**HondaBoy** · 03-11-2004, 08:30 PM

did one of y'all say you built your car from the bare frame? i thought our cars were mono body. not like a blazer or other truck or car that can have the body lifted off the frame. anyway, i'd say thats quite possible to see a flame come out. the closer you get the the head where the exhaust comes out the more likely you see flames. i dont remember why, think its the exhaust gasses. my friends 300ZX dose that when he has open headers. i'd say you would want to get that thing sealed up good. if you can get the new bolts, if not weld it at a good muffler shop. only thing that might happen is power loss from low back pressure, easily fixed when its sealed up.

**Darkside** · 03-11-2004, 09:01 PM

The flames are normal if you disconect your exhaust from your header you'll be able to blow flames out the bottom of the header.

**TWOLOUDNPROUD** · 03-11-2004, 10:09 PM

Take a pic of it i want to see that

**smufguy** · 03-11-2004, 11:14 PM

Originally Posted by HondaBoy

did one of y'all say you built your car from the bare frame? i thought our cars were mono body.

That would be me

. A monocoque body is still the frame of the car. Its minus the trunk, doors, fenders, hood, bumpers, brackets, suspension components and everything. Well, to say the least, the car sat there with no engine, no interior, no gas tank or exhaust and nothing but just what is the monocoque body (Frame) on four jack stands for almost a month and a half.

**dXsquared** · 03-12-2004, 10:07 AM

jesus... i guess no one has heard of overlap.. the exhaust valves are open for a fraction of a second during the power stroke... thats how the flame got out... esp right at the head like that

Travis

**smufguy** · 03-12-2004, 10:18 AM

I thought he said it was near the 4-2 joint. I did not know it was near the head

**88ebrake** · 05-05-2004, 07:09 PM

does anyone have a pacesetter catback or know if they are any good please tell me

**lightbulblxi** · 05-05-2004, 07:28 PM

its junk. i have one, it started to rust in like 2 months. plus it comes with a restrictive muffler. it would be cheaper to get a muffler off ebay and go to a muffler shop and have them weld in 2.25" piping. i put on an ebay muffler and cut off the pacesetter one. but ever since i put on the cat back, my cars sprays hella water. i dont know if it is because of it tho.

**NeubJ** · 05-05-2004, 09:41 PM

Buy a Magnaflow muffler and have them mandrel bend some pipe for you. Awesome sound and very noticeable performance increase.

**smufguy** · 05-06-2004, 07:56 AM

Save the extra $200 u would put on a manderel bend cause they usually cost around $400+ for a mandrel bend cat back, unless u live in one of those places who charge you just $150 for it. ANyway, if ur running a NA motor with normal mods like cams, exhaust and intake and the usual gimmicks, Just get a 2.25" Press bend (not the crinkle bend) catback and you will not notice any difference since you are not pushing much hp. You are not gonna loose any major hp either, maybe (a biggggg maybe) 1hp if you ask me.

**modu03** · 05-12-2004, 12:12 AM

uh... I have had the pacesetter cat-back for two and a half years, with just a little bit of rust forming on the inside of the chrome tip.

It is a noticeable gain over stock power, and sounds great, kinda like a little muscle car.

I don't know why people have had so many problems with the pacesetter exhaust, I have had no trouble, and felt a gain in power.

as far as my experience goes, you should go with pacesetter

**88ebrake** · 05-13-2004, 08:07 AM

sweet well i hope it works good im gettin it for 125 so its not to bad i dont guess i would like to get a shop to do it for me but round here they will rape u that is why i was gonna get the catback

**BigLem504** · 05-13-2004, 01:51 PM

i have one there is some increase in power but i kinda dont like the sound of the muffler so im going to cut it off and put a universal muffler by doing that ill probably get more out of it as for rust i cant tell ya ive had mine for 3 months tho no rust yet in my opinion i think it depends where u live at if u live near saltwater or it snows a lot im in new orleans the only thing we have is hurricannes and flooding i havent been going through water but this is the month we suppose to have 4 inches of rain tonight but i run for high ground when it really comes down hope this helps