Pacesetter : Intake , Short Shifter , Header , Cat Back Exhaust , High Flow Cat

[miss_accord]

On the 88-89 Accord Lxi, there is a header pipe (two pipes) connected to the flex pipe, can one just use the first stage or flange w 4 pipes from the Pacestter header & atached it to the stock header pipe?

The lxi stock exhaust manifold, looks like a header, with its runners, is there much of performance gain by installing headers over stock lxi exhaust manifold?
In otherwords for the trouble & cost of installing a Pacestter header, how much performance will gain over the stock lxi exhaust manifold?

I was told that the stock lxi header pipe is 309 stainless steel w flex joint vs mild steel on the Pacesetter header & crappy ball joint.

I am running 2.25" 309 ss pipe with Magnaflow Cat & muffler. I would welcome any comments or feedback, thx!

[Oldblueaccord]

On the 88-89 Accord Lxi, there is a header pipe (two pipes) connected to the flex pipe, can one just use the first stage or flange w 4 pipes from the Pacestter header & atached it to the stock header pipe?

The lxi stock exhaust manifold, looks like a header, with its runners, is there much of performance gain by installing headers over stock lxi exhaust manifold?
In otherwords for the trouble & cost of installing a Pacestter header, how much performance will gain over the stock lxi exhaust manifold?

I was told that the stock lxi header pipe is 309 stainless steel w flex joint vs mild steel on the Pacesetter header & crappy ball joint.

I am running 2.25" 309 ss pipe with Magnaflow Cat & muffler. I would welcome any comments or feedback, thx!

Well only the dyno or 1/4 mile slip knows.

I cant see much. Our exhaust manis are very well design as are most Hondas. Yeah its really a cast iron header.
Maybe a few ponies up in the upper range but at a loss down low in the RPM band. All the dyno sheets I have seen are this way.

I been reading up on Jackson Racing superchargers and they have alot to say about cams and headers. They said they cant find a set of cams that make more power than stock ones so far on the B18 motors.

Youll find here most say go for it but I'd like to see a dyno graph with it.

The other negatives are high underhood heat, noise, (price too) since there not think cast iron but light wieght steel.

wp

[shepherd79]

the answer is NO. you can't just bolt new manifold to stock downpipe.

[miss_accord]

the answer is NO. you can't just bolt new manifold to stock downpipe.

SURE....USE THE STOCK EXHUAST MANIFOLD FLANGE & WELD IT ON TO THE PACESETTER HEADER..........& THEN CONNECT TO THE STOCK HEADER PIPE

[Oldblueaccord]

Q: Do Chip and Cam upgrades help with the Supercharger? Back to Top
A: These upgrades are not recommended. Chips are made for Normally Aspirated engines and the fuel map is manipulated to make the car run leaner and the timing curve is slightly advanced as well. Both of these can and will be detrimental to any forced induction car. A fully programmable ECU along with larger injectors however is a different matter all together. We have tried a number of different cams in our applications as well and have never found anything better than the stock cams. We have tried Type R cams in our GSR and lost 10HP. We have tried GSR cams in a Type R and lost 10HP. In our Civic SI we have tried 3 different sets of cams and lost anywhere from 10-13HP. On one set however we were able to tune a 13HP loss to only a 3HP loss with cam gears and 3 hours on the dyno. There may be a set of cams out there that works but we have never found them

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http://www.jacksonracing.com/Custome...Faq.aspx#horse

you may also not like what they say about GULP turbos

[snow_man_20]

That's a little bit of a shock, aftermarket cams no good huh , anyway stock manifold is not as good as a header right??

[Oldblueaccord]

That's a little bit of a shock, aftermarket cams no good huh , anyway stock manifold is not as good as a header right??

Well they dont sell cams so you gotta take what they say with a grain of salt of course. But they do have like a whole bunch of dyno graphs.

My point:

Things is Honda motors are so effecient its hard to make any gains. Mr. Honda wasnt any fool he was a smart dude that built great cars. Slaping on a bunch of parts like its a Chevy 350 is prolly gonna get you broke and disappointed.

I never,never,never say dont try it but just dont be to upset when it makes alotta noise and not much else. Theres a science to headers look up A20's work he just posted up.

miss accord if you do it it be cool if you could like dyno the car before and after or maybe drag race it before and after something to give you an idea if its helping or not. Dyno's can tell you alot how your car is running even if its running lean or rich if the wideband O2 sensor it like they should. There also G-tech meters that can be had pretty cheap if you dont have a track near you. Goodluck hope it works out.


wp

[miss_accord]

U have to spend $$$, but u can USE an FLEXPIPE TO ELIMINATE RATTLE ON the PACESETTER. I plan to use a 2.25 or 2.5 " flex pipe tp replace the third Pacestter header pipe. The collector r only 2", though.

I have a ss 2.25 "exhaust with hi flow cat (meow) & muffler installed already.

[mag_pbg]

Hey, got my pacesetter header last night and today I started stripping it, I plan on painting with Dupli Colors 1200 degree ceramic paint and then curing it in my oven to make sure it lasts. my question is, can I bolt it onto my stock exhuast for now or will I have to get bigger exhuast pipe, I have the stock size on there now I think it is like 1.5 inch but plan on 2 1/4.

[BITESIZE]

Should bolt straight onto your cat, mine did. But I'm not running a cat, my pacesetter came with a test pipe and bolted onto my exhaust pipe going to the back.

[danronian]

Don't cure it in your food cooking oven or your going to be smelling chemicals, and tasting them, every time you cook. You could probably get it to cure properly with it on the car, I have seen in Car Craft once they did that and it worked with just running it on the car. Be sure to clean it well with a paint-prep/degreaser before painting it b/c that stuff if very picky about what it sticks to. When spraying it be sure to listen to the instructions about one very light coat and then one or two thick coats. The stuff is really thin paint so runs are real easy to get if you don't get that first coat thin and tacky before laying it on.

[bobafett]

it will bolt to stock cat, dont even sweat it. when i installed pacesetter headers into ambers car the bracket that is supposed to support the header was not even close to fitting, so i had to remove the accords exhaust bracket to allow room for the header, other than that it was a bitch to get the EGR in but there was no serious problems, if you have a helper for a short time u can knock this out in an hour or so even if its your first time doing it...

good luck, u will have a totally different car after this mod (depending on what mods you have now)

[snow_man_20]

Don't cure it in your food cooking oven or your going to be smelling chemicals, and tasting them, every time you cook.

yeah dude you don't want to do that.

[mag_pbg]

Thanx for the advice, I won't bake it in the oven. I won't have to worry about the EGR since I don't have it anymore. I hope it gives me some power, I have enough air coming into my motor with the new head cam and everything port matched, but I can tell it isn't getting enough air out of the motor.

[1988starter]

You may want to try to reweld or reinforce the flat plate on the top that allows it to bolt near the cross member it has broken on a few of our headers

[mag_pbg]

I know it has been several days but I finally got the header on and painted. I guess I must have left some oil or grease on the header or I didn't cure it right but the high temp paint burnt off, so I will prob. just ceramic coat it. But anyways after I put that on and went to bolt it up to my cat. I found out that the nuts to the cat were welded on so I had to drive open header to my school so I could cut the nuts off, then I couldn't get the hangers to get back except one. While I was driving to school, the exhuast dropped and was scrapping the ground so I did what I thought could be done in the situation, I tied it with a clothes hanger and went to the muffler shop. I had all new 2.25 pipe put on, a new flex pipe to replace pacesetters ball joint, a new cat and a flowermaster 30 series. Let me tell ya, my baby sounds mean now at idle it has a nice deep bellow to her but once you get on the gas it just screams, not to mention it runs so much quicker now, im almost done with the project the only thing left to buy is the MSD6 ignition.

[danronian]

You won't be able to get a rusted plain-steel header ceramic coated, only when they are non-rusty and new. Don't worry about it though, if you don't want to see the rusty pipe in the engine bay just get some of that header-pipe heat covering stuff for the pipes you see in the bay. It would also help to keep the heat in the engine bay down, I'm pretty sure it is only $40 for a 4 cylinder, much cheaper than ceramic coating.

[miss_accord]

You won't be able to get a rusted plain-steel header ceramic coated, only when they are non-rusty and new. Don't worry about it though, if you don't want to see the rusty pipe in the engine bay just get some of that header-pipe heat covering stuff for the pipes you see in the bay. It would also help to keep the heat in the engine bay down, I'm pretty sure it is only $40 for a 4 cylinder, much cheaper than ceramic coating.

U will have to get it sandblasted inside & out, then ceramic coated inside & out, use a small brush & apply 4 oz of Black Satin ceramic coating, and finally bake the headers at 500 'F for 60 minutes. U will be proud to serve.

I like my headers a little on the pink moist inside, so I just bake for only 45 minutes. https://www.3geez.com/newreply.php?do=newreply&p=495317#
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[A20A1]

Don't cure it in your food cooking oven or your going to be smelling chemicals, and tasting them, every time you cook.

Well it goes away but yeah my pizza's tasted funny for a while.

[racerx]

I like my headers medium-rare, so I only left em on the grill for about 5 minutes. j/k

And why in the world would you ceramic coat your headers on the inside??? Wouldn't that just create friction, as well as less space for the air to move through?

[danronian]

I like my headers medium-rare, so I only left em on the grill for about 5 minutes. j/k

And why in the world would you ceramic coat your headers on the inside??? Wouldn't that just create friction, as well as less space for the air to move through?

If you don't ceramic coat the headers on the inside they just rust out from the inside out. I had some old header on my malibu that were actually rust free on the outside but were rusted all the way through from the inside.

[Vanilla Sky]

also, it keeps the header from getting heatsoaked... if you're havnig it coated, do both the inside and out...

[racerx]

If you don't ceramic coat the headers on the inside they just rust out from the inside out. I had some old header on my malibu that were actually rust free on the outside but were rusted all the way through from the inside.

huh. I guess I never thought about it like that. I suppose the humidity in the air could cause that over a long period of time. Maybe not so long.
How long do you think it would take a piece of iron to show significant rust in a generally non-humid evironment with no direct exposure to water? (say, in colorado)

I can see what that would be good.

Btw, I know this is going to sound ignorant, but I'll ask anyway. What exactly is heat soaking? I hear it a lot referring to stock intercoolers that just can't get the job done at higher boost settings. I always thought it just meant the intercooler wasn't cooling anymore.

[Vanilla Sky]

where the metal gets hot, then transfers heat back into the air when it gets a cool(er) charge... metal expands when it's heatsoaked, too...

pheneolic spacers are made to keep (intake) manifolds from getting heatsoaked from heat transfer from the hear (they also add a bit of runner length)...

[racerx]

I'm still not sure what it means. It seems to me you just explained how a radiator/intercooler works...