Hasport H22 custom mounts!

[sporkHSP]

ok, i bought some teg 5-fives today, and they guy i bought them from asked if i was interested in an h22 swap, to which i respondind, if i had mounts to do it. He said that he had the h22 in his 84 civic, and that he talked to Hasport and they made him custom mounts and sold them to him for regular price (@ $480). He said that he was going to talk to someone there and see if they would make some for me/us.

He also said that he used to own a 3g but gave it up because he couldnt find any aftermarket... if only he knew about this site, but oh well... and one of his friends just sold a $2000 motor built for a 3rd gen. Grrrr i wish i would have known this guy a long time ago.
anyway, i figured i would let you know about the custom mount thing.

[RobT5580]

Someone would still have to donate their car to hasport for the mock up and stuff. Im doubtful that they would do it unless they had a customer at their door with a car and cash in hand. It seems a lot of people want things but are not willing to pick up the phone to get things done. I was impressed with all the vendors i dealt with for my project so i would say its possible buy it will take some leg work and money.

[MattsAccord]

You can get anything if you have money. The money is the problem.

[Oldblueaccord]

You can get anything if you have money. The money is the problem.

The mounts would be the least of my problems its the wiring that scares me off. Its a doable swap in my book. But hey guy had a Norstar v-8 in a VW gti last month in SCC i think.


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[RobT5580]

If you can read a wiring diagram and know what the sensors do then wiring is not an issue at all. To me the mounts, Axles, and hydro tranny/shifter cables are the hardest part of any swap.

[carotman]

That's right Rob.

In fact, the Mounts are the toughest. The hydro tranny can be converted to cable using a simple bracket to actuate the clutch.

The shifter cables would be the same as a Civic 92-95 swap. In fact, it could even be easier since out cars have a sheet of metal that bolts where the Auto or manual shifter is. It's not part of the frame at all alike the civics.

The axle problem can be solved using other honda parts.

The wiring.... easy part

If someone had mounts, I would never had put the B20A in my car. An H22A would be sitting in it now.

However, like I said in another thread. If someoen is willing to make custom mounts for another Honda engine in our car, it better be the K series...

[Justin86]

how about getting stronger stock mounts for us. Send in some stock mounts and get better mounts with poly bushings would be sweet.

[Oldblueaccord]

how about getting stronger stock mounts for us. Send in some stock mounts and get better mounts with poly bushings would be sweet.

Mounts to me are the easiest just make some cardboard templetes and weld them up. No sweat.

The axles I would take the two CV ends I needed send to a driveshaft place and have them make the shaft to my dimensions.

Wiring myself I would just get a donor car and swap everything over Im not much on harness building never had the patience for it. I'm assuming that our Honda motor harness is separte for mlike the lights and accesories I dont think it be to hard. Hell I'd cut a huge hole in the fire wall and thread everything thur it ECU and all rather than mess with repinning everything but thats just how I do swaps.

I always liked the hydrualic clutch set ups Honda uses dunno why we got the short end of that one.


I guess I just question will the hood shut and which person will do it first.


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[sporkHSP]

its all about the money, but if i had it i would do it in my hatch in less than a heart beat.

[smufguy]

i am sure this has been thought of before and did'nt we all agree that even spending barrels of money into thie H22 swap, its not advisable considering the weight of the motor? Unless this is a straight line drag only car, i dont see this being profitable to anyone on a day to day basis except for being different, as in with a different motor.

Anyway, if hasport can make us (if they wanna) they can make the B series mounts again, only betterj like the place racing, so that the swap guys who die over B series motors, can actually be satisfied.

[RobT5580]

I have not heard any complaints on the prelude board with the H22 setups. If its done right it would be fine and the guy that has one in his accord said the same thing if i recall it right. Iv see about a half dozen say they were doing it and their is only one accord that i know of with a running H22.

[Vanilla Sky]

the H22 doesn't weigh much more than the a20, but it IS a larger engine set... i've heard that there is still some cutting you need to do to get it in...

[smufguy]

oh, thats weird, but also the H22s weigh as much as the F22s and F22s are a tad heavy than ours due to their trannies. Even their block is kinda big. SO i dont know. I mean heavy or not, once it starts to alter the weigh distribution, then we gotta worry about adjusting the shoxs and running different spring rates in the front and rear.

Also, what is our weight distribution by the way?

NOTE: THe 4th gen ran almost identical chassie as ours, only it was flipped tail end (thats what i saw from their chassie dimensions) so that could be it too. I know our cars are nose heavy and without a bigger sway bar in the back, ours just understeer a lot.

[SteveDX89]

Our weight distribution is 61/39 F/R.

[Oldblueaccord]

Our weight distribution is 61/39 F/R.

I was gonna guess 60/40 so crappy to start with.

Whats the weight of and our A motor compared to a H22 lets gets some thoughts on this? I mean 2.0 liter to 2.2 isnt really that big of differance.

I like the idea cuz you can get performance stuff of the shelf for h22 its could save you money in the long run if you wanna hop it up.


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[Oldblueaccord]

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i am sure this has been thought of before and did'nt we all agree that even spending barrels of money into thie H22 swap,

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I think Sean told you that other than that I have other thoughts and I am not interested in making money or running a business just making my car go fast.


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[2ndgenludedude1986]

we need some b series mounts, since none are made any more. but hwo wants vtec over the a20 power! haha

[smufguy]

I think Sean told you that other than that I have other thoughts and I am not interested in making money or running a business just making my car go fast.wp

No Sean did not tell me that, and no we dont talk much or even did.


To answer your previous quote. The weight of the motor is usually the weight of the block/head/tranny. Despite the fact that our A20 is smaller in displacement, its a cast iron like u know and not a big tranny. But the H22 is a full aluminum block and has a pretty decent sized tranny.

Last time i ever lifted a motor was with Steve, my friend and myself and it was hard for us to put that bith ass motor into the rear of my car. It was heavy enough to be put into the 350Lbs range. I suck at estimating weight, so someone clarify this. I will weigh my motor with the tranny once all the work is done to it.

[Oldblueaccord]

No Sean did not tell me that, and no we dont talk much or even did.


To answer your previous quote. The weight of the motor is usually the weight of the block/head/tranny. Despite the fact that our A20 is smaller in displacement, its a cast iron like u know and not a big tranny. But the H22 is a full aluminum block and has a pretty decent sized tranny.

Last time i ever lifted a motor was with Steve, my friend and myself and it was hard for us to put that bith ass motor into the rear of my car. It was heavy enough to be put into the 350Lbs range. I suck at estimating weight, so someone clarify this. I will weigh my motor with the tranny once all the work is done to it.

Maybe we could find out the shipping wieght of a H22 thats a good place to start. I cant find any numbers in the book on the actually motor weight of our motors. Maybe someone has shipped one and can tell us.


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[smufguy]

Maybe we could find out the shipping wieght of a H22 thats a good place to start. I cant find any numbers in the book on the actually motor weight of our motors. Maybe someone has shipped one and can tell us.
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that would be perfect

[Oldblueaccord]

that would be perfect

385 lbs

good article here I got the info for


http://www.sportcompactcarweb.com/tech/0311scc_hybrid/


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EDIT: whts this motor in the pics?

http://www.honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1095073

[sporkHSP]

o think that was ‹^› ‹(•¿•)› ‹^› 's car, im not positive, but is looks like it. its either a b16 or b18, its not h-series.

[smufguy]

385LBS is very heavy, i dont think our motor is that heavy. Besides, that motor looks like a B16, but the valve cover resembles a F20a from the euro accord. But again, it could be painted.


ps: it kinda resembles steves coupe with the blue valvecover, but his is totally different and much better looking.

[smufguy]

o think that was ‹^› ‹(•¿•)› ‹^› 's car, im not positive, but is looks like it. its either a b16 or b18, its not h-series.

wasnt mikes car a Black valve cover, besides he had a GSR motor didnt he? i often get this type r and gsr shit confused.

[Oldblueaccord]

Thats motor and tranny togther. I think the article said is 65 lbs heavier than a F motor . I dont think thats really unresonable. Also says F motor and the H22 have the same mounts pretty interesting

Still wonder what an A motor weighs google aint helpin on that one.


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