Hmm... a little more work in the head.

[Sean]

and when they regrind the cam they reduce the base circle not regrind the lobe thats how you get the increase in lift and duration. give racer brown a call and see what they have to say ???

[rallyeNate]

Did I strike a never? “Excuse me no body from thrigen set me straight”, right they just put in your place and told you how to complete your project correctly. Ya nobody, nobody like 32v_DOHC and Rbob. Your right (<-that should help your ego!) you have spent time talking to me on AIM and you did send me a link (so what if I already had it) and you gave an answer to my questions. But seriously, do you think I really need your help? The only reason I was asking you those questions I did was to see if you had an easier way of doing the same project, which you didn’t. You say that you have worn thru valve guilds and broken valve stems, think about what you have just said. Maybe you don’t known as much as you think you known. I missed the larger point, why don’t you spend less time trying to flex and belittle do a bit better job of explaining something or better yet, read book on the subject. Where have you been for 3yrs, here on 3geez, building engines, working on engines? If you have been working with engines for just 3yrs, you have a lot of catching up to do; great you’ve been on 3geez 3yrs (belittling people for 3yrs). If you want someone to just agree with you, then just say so. You say I have missed the obvious, maybe I have maybe I haven’t, or maybe you need to read up on the subject. They regrind the base circle not the lobe, well YA, if they regrind the lobe it will become smaller. If they are doing anything to the lobe they are harding and facing. Ya known what, they also don’t regrind? That is the journal, so the regrind will sit in the engine just as the stock cam would. No cam follower will ever sit perfectly flat on the valve even stock it is just geometrically impossible (under current design). If you want the follower to sit perfectly flat, you need a pivot point on the valve side. As far as answering question, I have, I will and I do. I do answer question; I don’t think I need to answer every question. Why would I answer a question that has been answered already, has been beaten to death, or has been ask several times over? There have been several people that have PM me and also there is a member that has me working on his car and comes to me for modification advise. Maybe you need to spend less time on the message board trying to flex and more time learning.

[A20A1]

I just saw an ad for roller rockers... it actually says reduces friction for 25 extra HP. I doubt such a gain is possible for our cars, but friction is a selling point for the rollers... at least in that ad.

[Jerren]

Originally posted by funstick
"ive broken valvetrians and ive worn guides thru"

is that a good thing???:lol

[Sean]

ok man now im annoyed. first of all ive built sevral not 1 not 2 but sevral now 8 motors. ive borken all the things that you need to break to find out where things need to change. ive spun them to 9000rpm iv pushed 25psi of boost. you keep looking for the easy way there is no easy way. it takes money. ive built and broken enough motors now to find the weak spots. friction with the CAM FOLLOWER layout currently in the engine is actually pretty low. its not enough to worry about. the bigger issue is still yet again keeping from munching the valves guide over an extened period of time. im not going to make you happy ive told you what need to be done. you wont listen and this is why you will always be here asking questions and irking my nervres. go call someone like comp cams or maybe even crane cams and talk to the valvetrian tech department. ive given you the answer ive told you where the problem is ( BTW something that would have cost you alot of money to find out. ) and you still dont listen. its like beating my head on a wall. either listen when people with experience talk to you or stop asking questions you dont really want answers to. the whole roller rocker idea of mine was to correct a geometery issue and the bigger isseu with that lie in

roller cams are made from billet steel due to its hardness and strength. on a sintered or gray iron cam like the one in your honda it will break the cam ( done this alreadly) i was curious if the cam was strong enough its not. now you may not have my luxuxrey of having 4-5 motor laying around to eperiment with but i do. and if im telling you theres a reason im doing something its becuase its nessacary. now theres 2 types of roller rockers.


theres a roller tiped rocker which with the vlalve tip centering issues and the aligment of the rocker tip as well as the departing thrust angle. look sot be promising for helping with the lash adjuster issues.

then theres basically a roller cam ( tried it and broke it) use both a roler tip and a roller cam follower.

you can
1 learn form my mistakes
2 be an idiot and swear that no one has any idea what they are talking about.

as for the issue with the highway spark mode on the 1227747 it was a misread on my part and i did post an apology. when your busy running a repair business and learning 2 assembler languages then i geuss youll be entitled to make mistakes to.

but in the future when i tell you something dont contiune to belive that you can do it cheaper easier or faster. i break parts all the time pushing the limit of these motors. i know where it is. ive also come a long way in understanding how the block flexes, the valvetrian behaves etc etc etc etc. i give good info becuase ive invested time colltecting it.

when your interested in listening then come back and talk to me. until then SHUT UP.

[A20A1]

Ahh, I didn't mean to downplay your experience.