And you can build a rectangular box that fits behind the panel and near the window creating the same internal dimensions over a longer space, still giving you the same effect.
And you can build a rectangular box that fits behind the panel and near the window creating the same internal dimensions over a longer space, still giving you the same effect.
Lol sorry, i'm pretty tired... what I was trying to say, is thats how they were designed to sound good, is in a sound board. Hence you saying they need an enclosure... which really should not be the case for car audio speakers, as they are made for cars, not enclosures inside a house/building. If you can't get those mbquarts do give you good mid-bass without being in an enclosure like you are talking about rather then just in the door, that shows how good of a speaker they are (insert sarcasm)You contradict yourself
^^ and i have no idea what you mean in this last post about the rectangular box??...
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About the box, basically it will just house the speaker, and it wont be a square box, it will be rectangular in the fact that it fits behind the door panel and against the window and the rest of the space is made up by making it long.
And the speakers in a car can NEVER hurt to have them in a box. They are MB Quarts top of the line, and Im sure if you are familiar with car audio at all, you know they typically sit next to Focal for performance. I mean they sound amazing as they are, but Im not getting the mid bass they are ruggedly designed for. A tight box will make them work harder (drawing more power) but the DVC @ 200w rms should be fine.
Speakers by design and any speakers that is will ALWAYS sound better in an enclosure. It's just how things are... When the front sound waves are isolated from the rear waves of the speakers it will behave much differently. If the speaker is in an enclosure it will handle more power and will deliver 'better sound'.
Cars without enclosures in the doors?? Is that what you said isn't done??
I can tell you that Mercedes does it, Ford, Mazda, Nissan, and even our favorite the 90 to 93 Accord models.
i totally agree, i dont know what your thinking whoever said that free air is better.Originally Posted by catalin
Also, 6.5"s are usually BETTER than 5.25". Now of course shitty 6.5"s cant be compared to good 5.25"s, that just wouldnt be fair, but what im saying is that they are just a better size for more sound. They will always be ALOT louder than the 5.25"s. Of course the 5.25"s will be a smidge cleaner than the 6.5", but honestly, youll get a shit load more sound out of the 6.5", plus they will be able to handle more power as well. i would take a pair of 6.5s over 5.25s any day.
Oh yea, 5.25s will distort before 6.5s will.
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Ofcourse they will distort first, they are a smaller cone, however if they are built right they wont. Which is obvious. Another reason that free air is not better is that when bass is produced (same with a sub) if the speaker has to "fight" to move around in the box, thus compressing air, it will sound better. The "restriction" of the air being compressed/uncompressed is what makes sound waves. You can seriously damage a speaker in free air too.
However, I can see where you are coming from saying that they are designed to be installed in the doors, but you failed to realize that the door will act as an enclosure (assuming the manu knew what they were doing). Otherwise you have alot of options available for sound quality. Q-pod for instance are awesome, you can get the directional sound coming right at you instaed of using the door horizontal angle.
I plan to build a box partly into the door panel, and partly out, the -out- part will be angled slightly so the sound waves wont get trapped by my feet.
I think you should lay off the hash, man.
EDIT: Hash man did say they are designed in a sound board, meaning the front waves will be isolated from the rears, because the rears will be hidden behind the board. However, still not as good as a box, thats a free-air isolation setup
lol i went to walmart and bought some crappy 5.25s to fill the wholes until i have money to get some decent speakers to go with my deck.... they fit perfectly and sound pretty bad! lol nah actually they sound alright.. better then the old crappy stock ones i had in there
i dont like ghetto setups.. it'd be easy to stick a huge speaker in there if i sacrificed my window rolling down all the way.. i think the thats the main issue is the door speakers is the depth..
theres been a bit more discussion, i'd imagine that enclosed would always sound better especially for bass! and.... lol look if i were to spend 300 dollars on 6.5 door speakers i might actually try and put them into fit... but for 10 dollars? anything i do is not going to be worth it at allllll but if i was going to spend 300 dollars why wouldn't you just get 5.25's that fit, and sound great? you wont ever be able to get it loud enough to distort.. unless you want to go def.. and believe it or not the walmart 5.25's dont distort as quickly as these crappy 6.5's i had LOL @ comparing crappy speakers.. well the 6.5's were 3way so definately had better treble... yay for cheap speakers!
Last edited by HaShfIeNd; 05-13-2005 at 03:07 PM.
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uhhh.. this might just be me.. but.. my factory speakers were 6.5", i replaced them with some more 6.5's by just taking three screws out.. taking the speaker out.. putting the other one in and then putting the screws back. same in the back. no big deal, and no box to be constructed. later on when i've got the time and the speakers, i'm putting some 8's in the doors where the 6.5's are now and then adding some like 4's above them. that... might take some custom work, but i've got that drawn out already.. car's not running right now anyway.. waiting on some b18c1 money to fall from the sky or something.
anyway, like i said, that might be me.. i don't know your trim level and i didn't look when i read the post.
they all have provisions for 6.5's, but most are too deep. i know that my infinities required basket trimming to fit, and they weren't that deep.
I did the same thing with my kappas kept the basket but cut the ends out fits fine for me
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ahh.. touché
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